₦airaland Forum

Ishilove:
This is all semantics. "Because they say so" shows you do not believe that he was indeed invited by the police. You do not have proof that he was not invited by the police, so saying "because they say so" is an assumption that the Nigerian police is lying.

You also say I concluded he is lying. With an unbiased mind, read that article again and you will see that it was written like everything is factual, with evidence to back up his claims. A trained journalist, while reporting an incident is supposed to be objective in his reportage, but the offending article has no iota of objectivity.

My dear, the man has been released. The police is again presented with another opportunity to now follow due process. Shalom.

naptu2:
🤣🤣🤣🤣

Did the police tell you that the man won't be charged to court??



The police just has evidence to keep the journalist.


But, once again, you tried to run away from the question and I'm not going to let you escape.

My question was, can the police get involved. Your very answer shows that the police will get involved.

The very fact that you are attempting to dribble from what you know to be true shows that you are not worth my time.

I only engage people who are being sincere.

Goodbye, I have proved my point and I will not read your responses because it is obvious to me that you are not being serious.

Lol. Just a while ago you were telling me to calm my emotions but you got yours all over the place. You said I shouldn't run, but thats exactly what you are doing.

You prove a point yes. And the point you prove is that you are in support of lack of due process. Goodbye to you too.

PS the man has been released. Now the police has another opportunity to follow due process.

naptu2:
You are still refusing (I don't know whether deliberately) to see where you have erred. Please actually read the law, then you'll understand.

Cool your emotions (because your examples have nothing to do with the facts at hand) and read this.


1) If a person publishes a defamatory material, then the victim can petition the police.

2) The police can invite the other party in the course of investigation.

3) If you are invited, you simply go with your lawyer. There have been many cases where people were invited, they went with their lawyer and they were released immediately. There have also been cases where the petitioner has been arrested by the police for providing false information.

4) It is the job of the police to investigate and see whether the case has enough substance to send to the DPP or charge to court. In the criminal justice system, the police investigates, the DPP or police prosecutes and the courts adjudicate.

5) Read the law, it provides a definition of defamation, provides exceptions, etc. Don't work based on emotions or assumption.

Your number 3. Did you read where they said that the police seized his phone? How then can he get his lawyer? I am not saying the man is innocent. I am saying that this is most likely a show of power, and an intimidation job.

naptu2:
I was just waiting for you to do it again. You make allegations that you cannot back up, then you run away from them.

HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT THE POLICE HAVE NOT ALREADY SPOKEN TO OTHERS INVOLVED IN THE MATTER BEFORE INVITING THE MAN??

Provide proof that the police hasn't spoken to them.

Don't run away from this.

Its like you are a policeman, because this is exactly how they try to put words in your mouth. And its not just the Nigerian poilice that does this. I dont know how you read what you quoted, and what you understand is that I am saying the police did not invite the man.

Oya ask me to prove that you are a police man. 1,2,go.

naptu2:
Obviously you don't know how the law works.

The law states whether it is a criminal matter or not. The law has already been made.

If armed robbers invade your house and kill your wife, you'd say that the police should not get involved until the court determines that it is a criminal matter?

🤣

Don't embarrass yourself

The police will still have to go to court even if the armed robber is caught red handed. They just have evidence to keep the armed robber, and more evidence to get a quick sentence.
The police is not the judge jury and executioner. And there is nothing on nairaland to be embarrass about. The site is already an embarrassment.

naptu2:
Who said it's not the duty of the court to determine the case??

HAS THE POLICE DETERMINED THE CASE NOW??

Do you even know how the justice system works?

Whose job is it to investigate the matter? Answer that question first.

Whisking the unarmed man away from his home with 10 armed men already shows bias. It is just a show of power by the reverend sister. We do not know if the man was actually invited before. What we have is the word of the police which can be false. We also do not know if what the man wrote in his article is true. What we have is his article. The article talked about several people who can actually corroborate the story or refute it.

Talking with these people in the article should have come before whisking the man away with 10 armed police officers.
If you've ever had 5 armed vigilante coming to your house with one hilux to look for you, you will understand that it's already too much. Talkless of 10 armed police men with 2 hilux vans. When you are not armed.

naptu2:
By the way, correctionfluid, have you now accepted that it is a criminal matter and that the police have a role?

I accept that it is a criminal matter when the court determines it is. And then the police will have a role.

naptu2:
You are doing the exact same thing you accuse Ishilove of doing.

1) You say that the police did not invite him. Do you have proof that the police did not invite him?

2) You say that the allegation in the article is true. Where is your proof?

In fact, all through this thread it looks like you have just been making things up as you go along.

I didn't say any of these things, stop putting words I to my mouth. I said it is the duty of the court to determine the case. And I did not say the police didn't invite him.

You already concluded that the man was lying. But then you choose to believe that the police actually invited him because they said so.

This is what I said. How does that mean that I said that the police did not invite him?

Ishilove:
Unless the journalist was physically there when the alleged assault was taking place, all she is accused of are allegations.

You made a comparison with a journalist writing about a thieving politician. There is no basis of comparison there because, the investigative journalist will have hard evidence like receipts, memos, a money trail etc to back up their claims. Madu wrote the article like it was a paid hack job, which is why he im trouble..

Besides, the he was invited several times but he refused to honour the invitation, which is why he was arrested. When something is bad, let us keep sentiments aside and say it as it is.

What you're doing here is simply choosing what to believe and what not to. You already concluded that the man was lying. But then you choose to believe that the police actually invited him because they said so.

I am also sure you have chosen to not believe the man and his family when they were asking the 10 armed men why they are taking him away.

10 armed men to arrest an unarmed journalist on his home shows that there is already a bias. That it is more of a show of power.

You talked about having hard evidence, but who determines the truth? Is it not the court?
If this exact thing happened in the US where this reverend sister is based, is she going to use the cops to whisk the journalist away, or is she going to sue?

I don't support weakening our institutions and running to another country to keep weakening it further from there. It is people like this sister that will be saying all manner of rubbish against Nigeria from abroad

Pecoleee345:
Once again it all same of same ......when same is done to you by then you will understand better.

When same is done to me, I will sue. The writer must come and prove every sentence he wrote. Instead of resorting to show of power. The said man is established in this country, having held high positions in reputable newspapers. And having a family.

I know when my community was fighting for a piece of land with a very powerful man. I know we involved the press, and I know how much some of those pressmen suffered just for publishing things that actually happened.

naptu2:
CorrectionFLuid

In Nigeria there is something called criminal defamation.

If someone petitions the police that he has been criminally defamed, then the police will investigate.

The police will invite the other party in the course of its investigation.

If the other party refuses to appear, then the police can assume that he is fleeing and can apply to a magistrate for a warrant of arrest.



This is a response to your claim that it is a civil matter and that the police have no business in it.

So if a politician embezzles money, and a journalist exposes it, the politician will just use the police to bundle the journalist?

In the screen shot you posted, it clearly said that the publication has to be false. Who determines it to be false?

Using 10 armed policemen to kidnap a person already shows the police to be bias. Working for the highest bidder.

It is a clear show of power, otherwise they should go and kidnap Yahaya bello if they know they are in the right.

But then, you said your reply is a response to a particular thing I said, and your reply is duly noted.

Ishilove:
https://globalupfront.com/2024/05/01/u-s-based-catholic-reverend-sister-in-court-over-assault-on-75-year-old-stepmother

It is still the duty of the courts to determine if the man is innocent or guilty. The job of the police is to investigate what the writer wrote to see if it is true. And if it is true, then it is not defamation.

If a politician steals money, and a journalist writes about it, it is not defamation. So please let's be mindful of what we support because if this flies, every politician will use the police to torment whoever writes anything about them. They will basically become emperor's.

I still stand on my statement that the police are wrong on this.

In my opinion, I think the article may be true. The journalist had written that she used soldiers earlier. And now she's using the police. But it is still the duty of the courts to judge,and that of the police to investigate, not to kidnap and intimidate.

She should have sued the journalist like she would if the event happened in America where she is based.

You don't destroy your country and then run to another man's country, and still keep destroying your country from there.

Pecoleee345:
What if a court has already grant a warrant of arrest??

You just begin economical with the truth......Nigerians don't honor court summon easily. Most times is police that drag them to court.

Just yesterday police arrested a guy who wrote trash that E money is having an affair with jnr pope wife.....everyone supported the arrest, how is it different from this

Defamation isn't a civil matter anymore......you can't just wake up and start writing trash about someone.

We blame the police all the time forgetting we civilian are also terrible.

I don't trust the police either do I trust the citizen....we are all the same.

I didn't have a chance to comment on the emoney post. Because it was already way beyond first page by the time I saw it.

Emoney is not particularly a good example for a law abider. So he shouldn't be used as a yardstick for measurement. What he used the police to do was just a show of power and nothing more. Same emoney has a case of fraud hanging on his head and he was sued. Not kidnapped by 10 armed police men in 2 Hilux vans.

Your statement about, we all are the same, is not how societies grow. It's actually how societies rot. When you encourage impunity because it seems everyone is doing it.

JAMO84:
I am more concerned with the direction of the state's government under Abba. I cannot see anything he has done since 2023, spent the last one year on vengeance, I don't know when he plans to actually govern the State properly.

Ganduje is about to be set aside and nnpp merged into APC. You will make a 180 turn when not if Abba and kwankwaso aligns with Tinubu.

Exjoker:
I read somewhere in the press release that he failed to honor several invitations for questioning... What should have the police do

Someone has already asked same question and I already answered that. It should be first comment on page 2.

favor914:
You will try your best to defend that criminal because he is your tribesman abi?

Nonsense Obidients.

You're constituting a nuisance only because you managed to see the name of the journalist, and it happened to be one you don't like.
If you read what you quoted and all you could see is tribe, then you have a very serious healing to do on yourself.

bhella10:
Interpreter, why did he not honor the police invitation jeje? Oga make we hear word.

You're just hyper throbbing because you happened to see the name of the journalist. I won't waste my time with you.

abbey621:
You're simply wrong! Police have rights to investigate both civil and criminal matters. The case involved is a defamation suit and proper investigation must be done. If police invites you but you refuse to show then they have every right to arrest you as that is obstruction of justice. Defamation can be criminal if it results in imminent threat or loss to the accuser, it is even more imparative if the defamation was written and distributed online as that can be tied to the new cyber law.

There are over 10 different ways that the police could invoke probable cause in situations like this so it is best to comply. Even if you want to act stubborn, get a good lawyer and let him or her navigate the issue.

This is exactly how impunity gets instituted. If you commit a crime, the police should get an arrest warrant from a judge, after they have proven to the judge that you are a person of interest.

If the police invites you, you have a right to know why you're being invited. And if you don't show up, the police has to go to a judge and obtain an arrest warrant. Arrest warrants are given when it's determined that the case is a crime, and the person who is about to be arrested is a person of interest.

In a civil case such as this, it is only a courts that can determine if this is truly defamation, and not the police.

You're wrong and don't know your right, yet you are the first to tell another person that he's wrong.

If the court has already determined the case to be defamation, then it is now a crime.

And before arresting, in this case, kidnapping the guy, the police should also go to his place, and invite him. The fact that they arrested him at his place in Abuja shows that they know his place and have access to him.

The police you're here defending smartly left out the details of the so called defamation. You're turning the law on its head for something that you're not even sure you won't be a victim of tomorrow.

transient123:
Good move.

The era of impunity and loose talk need to end. You can't just bring the name and works of people to disrepute because you just don't like them or their ways.

Rwanda war between Tutsis and Hutus is a classic example people must be severely punished for deliberate lies and false allegations.

Have you seen the so called defamation article? Or you're just supporting it because you happened to see the name of the journalist?

Pecoleee345:
How do you suggest the case be handled better??
they invited him severally and he refuse to honor the invitation.

What should they have done??

Like I said, the police has nothing to do with this matter yet. There's no evidence to prove that the police invited him, except what the police wrote up there. And if you're from this country you know that the words of the police are not to be trusted

That aside, it is the job of the court to serve him. This is completely a matter that the courts should handle. The police is not the court or a judge.

The answer to your question what the police should have done is simply "NOTHING"

The police does not settle matters. Only the courts do. And it's the duty of the courts to judge the journalist and determine whether he is guilty or innocent.

Defamation is something the courts settle, and not something ten policemen in 2 Hilux vehicles kidnap people for.

That reverend sister, if it was an American journalist that "defamed" her in the US? Is the police there going to kidnap the journalist with ten men and 2 Hilux vans, or is she not going to press charges?

Let's be careful of what we support because this thing defamation can be open to interpretation. Tomorrow you can just say what someone doesn't like and you'll get kidnapped for defamation by the police.

This is how societies crumble. And tyranny instituted. Chunk by chunk, one rot after the other. One impunity after the other.

Tianamen1:
Nigeria has always had a good debt-to-GDP ratio. Our issue has always been our low tax(revenue) to GDP ratio. that is, we cannot pay for our debt.

Kemi Adeosun tried to implement a Voluntary Assets and Income Declaration Scheme (VAIDS) to increase the revenue generated by the government. this would have reduced the imports thus reducing the pressure on the Naira.

Nigeria's economy can be divided in two, the rich and everyone else. Both halves need to pay an equitable share of taxes. Tinubu's removal of subsidies without raising additional taxes targeted at the rich imposed a larger proportion of economic pain on everyone else. Tinubu like Buhari, chose to protect the rich to the detriment of every other Nigerian.

Nigerians need to support the Labour Congress. The suffering within the country is too much.

Let me tell you the truth, any taxes targeted at the rich will sooner than later also target everyone else. And by that time, the rich have figured out how to evade or transfer these taxes to the poor. Read Richard kiyosaki's books, and also other authors who write about making wealth, to get an insight.

If the government wants to modify the tax net, it should find a way to do it while increasing value, instead of doing it via rich class and poor class. Cos history has proven that the rich always come out winning, while the poor who supported those taxes because it's targeted at the rich who they hate, end up getting the short end of the stick

NothingDoMe:
Again, very powerful against civilians. Cowards.

Unarmed civilians. The unarmed word is important. Cos since some ipob protesters picked up arms, we no longer see pictures of eastern civilians swimming in mud.

Emu4life:
UK and Singapore are Third World Countries according to a certain Nairalander's Beer Parlour analysis

Keep having guilty conscience everywhere. All because of one man that won't hesitate to kpai you even if just remotely necessary.

dapsoneh:
Awon eleribuuu
So that they can steal the Nation's treasury via their wives
Iku gbigbona loma pa yin all these corrupt politicians
You will see the speed at which those God forsaken people will pass that bill

Exactly my thought. Not just passed with speed but also signed with speed.

The speed with which this bill will be passed and signed will shock nigerians

Kushites:
All we need is a national STANDARD for how the roads should look. And a requirement that every state govt meets a certain percentage in terms of upgrades per annum.

If we do that, in the next 20 years, all our streets will look world class.

The 'abroad' that you people love so much, BE the abroad nau....?

Kigali, Rwanda
https://livinginkigali.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/living-in-nyamirambo-kigali-5.jpg

This is how you eliminate sand from the roads.

Roads are not supposed to have sand on them.

You eliminate sand by SEALING the road. You build the road, then it hits the pavement/sidewalk which hits the wall of the house.

Result?

NO SAND FOREVER ON THE ROAD.

You don't need to sweep. Ever.

ZERO SAND.

Why can't these CRETINS we call governors build our roads like this, the RIGHT way?

I LAUGH when I hear these clowns in govt talking about ''attracting tourists''.

UTTER CLOWNS.

Tourists LOVE to walk around.

They will NEVER visit Nigeria for tourism until you build your roads the right way.

Who is going to leave their comfortable nation to come here and be jumping gutter with you people?

With dusty roads, sand and mud?

Dreamers!

Keep dreaming! 🤣🤣

https://i.imgflip.com/s6cdb.jpg

You're right but not totally.

You don't eliminate sand totally by sealing the gutters.

You eliminate sand by building cities or estates, building proper drainages, increasing the living standards and income of the people, and yes, sweeping the roads.

Building the cities will prevent people from carrying sand tippers on the road. Because everything has already been built.

Proper drainages will clear the sand that comes in from winds and rains, and also harmattan.

High standard of living will ensure that people can afford these built up places, and also that the builders can adhere to the rules and building codes you will make to govern buildings and transportation of building materials.

Here in Nigeria, land is mapped out, government eats the money meant to build up these places. Then they start selling out lands to people who now build it up. Sand tippers everywhere overfilled and dropping sand all over the roads.

Kushites:
I REPEAT FOR YOUR THICK HEAD.

MY STATE OF ORIGIN IS IRRELEVANT.

I'M A NIGERIAN.

END OF STORY.

BYE BYE!

It's like you're new on this site. Every post must be broken down to where you're from. Better put on your boxing gloves

Nice one. He should fast track getting to market and final users before APC will put their dirty useless hand and scatter everything.

Pk01:
Their ladies if you don't love person. Never chop him money

I see you're one of those that read only the bolded in the other thread. SMH

omoredia:
Chinko no get time for games

Games like? I see you're one of those that only read the bolded in the other badly edited thread.

idanone:
So sad, such a beautiful young girl, say na by force to do? , most white thinks every black should be freak to associate their selves with them. Let him rot in jail. RIP dear

Asians are not white. Whites get their own skosko, but stay on the topic.