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tkb417:
@cougar and Debosky
Why do u have to spell it out

Some of us here need some medical aids to think or reason.

Fck me, what was wrong with d goal?

Dimwit Gomez assumed like a doofus and a smart player put d ball in d net and some are shouting murder

Nonsense!

lollidam91:
Yep man u is gonna lost

debosky:
The only person who made a mistake is the mofo called Gomes.

First rule in football - always play to the whistle and don't assume the referee has made a decision when he hasn't.

There was no foul, no whistle, no offence. In essence the ball was live, and Nani looked to the official for confirmation before banging the goal in. Very legitimate goal as far as I'm concerned.

Learning from the other foolish mistakes like Arsenal in the CL last season, and Kuyt's goal for Liverpool this season, it's clear you play to the WHISTLE.

Anything else and you get egg on your face - the referee has the final say.

duduspace:
Manure can do whatever they want with Bebe afterall they paid to buy him, but I'll be very surprised if he becomes a first team winger at Manure and very happy at the same time. Maybe this is what Rooney saw that set him off demanding assurance for future signings, I would if I were in his shoes  

jalether:
@ dudu.

You have the GOD given ability to spot quality/mediocre players without breaking a sweat yet you work as a gateman in Ikeja. . . .why are you

wasting your talent dudu?


I see some potential in bebe, if given sufficient opportunity by the club, he can become a very good winger

He has plenty of pace and decent crossing ability but his first touch needs working on

duduspace:
This still doesn't apply to Bebe, he was scouted but only judged worthy of being picked by a 3rd division club, why is this so hard for you to understand. He played for an amateur side like most other footballers before going to Estrela.

Unfortunately you ask so many questions but can't seem to grasp the answers that stare you in the face. A player raised in an orphanage gets the opportunity to play in a club academy like any other player in the academies, they are scouted based on the talent they show while young. infact some of them are more fortunate in that regards as they don't have parents insisting they become doctors.

This is not about Ballon D'ors but about Bebe, cloud the issue all you will  I don't see any talent or exceptional ability on display and I make my conclusions not only on yesterday's match but every time I've seen him play some examples which I've already given. And please fluffing of lines are at different levels, if you say both Vidic and Evra fluffed their lines on initial appearances for Manure I won't argue cos I didn't watch those matches but remember that Vidic had already set a record back in his home country for clean sheets.

You could also have parents who would prevent you from going to an academy in the first instance so it works both ways. Not belittling the difficulties Bebe had growing up but we're talking about football talent here. And according to Wikipedia, he was with his Grannie until he clocked 12 and keep in mind Messi left for Barcelona as a 13 year old.

I'm sure if you go through footballer's histories, you'll find others with harder childhoods than Bebe had, I've already told you of Eduardo sleeping under the stadium at Croatia Zagreb as an 18 year old.

duduspace:
If you know where they are, show me so we can set up a rival association to FIFA that will make more money.    I'm not sure this is what you mean though, I'm guessing you meant to say there are players with more innate abilities who never made it to the top abi? If that is what you mean I totally agree. But if you tell me there is a better footballer out there than Messi and CR9, I'll redirect you to Yaba left. 

The Arsenal kids I originally mentioned are all still younger than Bebe and weren't bought at the amount Bebe was. I still insist that I see nothing in Bebe that set him apart. Those players were not so unknown as you would think in their youth. Many of them were already in club academies and had played at different age levels for their country, read up one of their histories on wiki and you'll see.

This is all stories we heard after he was bought, Real haven't come out to say they were ever monitoring him. if you ask me the whole story looks kinda fishy but that is a story for another day.
Evra was already playing for a Ligue 1 club, the analogy don't add up. I didn't say he won't make it in football only that he won't make it at Manure and if he does and this is Manure's future then I will be very happy.

So these others players were born into the academies?  Their fathers and mothers met in the academies and did the thing there, had the children there and brought them up there abi?  wow!!! I envy the speed of your thinking faculty but mine will do just nicely thank you,

duduspace:
You would be wrong in saying I was dim-witted because I kept pace with my peers but you would be totally right to call the younger ones in my class exceptional (dependent on their age) or in the alternative to call me ordinary because in reality I was. As a footballer Bebe is ordinary that is what my eyes tell me after watching him.

Age is an important factor in identifying people who are exceptional and those who are not. Why are people who attain professorship in their early 30s or late 20s celebrated?

Bebe did not have the opportunity they had simply because he wasn't exceptional, he grew up in Portugal after all.
Do you really follow your club and your players? I don't follow Manure's reserve league as I follow Arsenal's but the last Reserve league match Bebe played in, you got thumped by Aston Villa 4-1, that was Reserve league and not PL.

Okay, fair enough the chap has to settle down, but I still didn't see any talent on display, nothing explosive or to suggest being exceptional at all, that is the point in case you don't get it.
If you go and pick a brilliant ajepaki boy from a remote area, his english might not be refined and show in his accent but you will immediately see whatever brilliant trait sets him apart either in maths/science or creative arts, but what do you see in Bebe that sets him apart?  

Okay, here is a new one, so Bebe only started playing football at 20?   and where has he been since then? under Olumo rock? Listen to yourself and tell me who sounds dumb? Skills need to be honed at 20? okay o, he will make your first team at 30.

duduspace:
First of all, I accept true details of transfer values are hardly ever known but in every other recognizable site I know, 7.4m has been quoted (Soccernet, Goal.com and even Sky) e.t.c.

If that wasnt what was in the public domain, why the need for a clarification? as to that stuff about being homeless and not having opportunity, that is so untrue, have you ever read Eduardo's story and how he had to sleep under the stands in Zagreb's stadium while looking for professional opportunity in Croatia as an 18 year old? How exactly did Bebe end up in the 3rd division as a 19 year old if indeed he had no opportunities?

Football is all about talent and what you can do and it has global coverage these days, Africa aside, if there is any precocious talent playing even on a rubbish heap somewhere out there in Europe, there is a talent scout out there that will likely find him, if Bebe wasn't noticed as a youngster, what that tells me is that he never really stood out and on the strength of what I've seen with my own eye likely won't at Manure.

Manchester United picked up summer-signing Bebe for as little as £4.8m, according to Portuguese newspaper O Jogo.
Sir Alex Ferguson caused a stir by splashing a reported fee of £7.4m on the unknown forward, who had been playing for Portuguese third division outfit Estrela da Amadora, before moving onto Vitoria De Guimaraes last May.
The rags-to-riches story became even more remarkable after it was revealed that Bebe had been raised in an orphanage.
On sealing the deal Ferguson admitted that, for the first time, he had signed the player without ever seeing him play.
But according to the Portuguese press, the reported fee of £7.4m is some way wide of the mark.
Speaking at an assembly of club associates, Vitoria president Emilio Macedo said that the club only received £4.8m from United for the transfer.
Bebe marked his full United debut by scoring in Tuesday's 3-2 Carling Cup victory over Wolves at Old Trafford. Should the Portuguese turn out to be a hit in Manchester, £4.8m will be considered a real bargain.

duduspace:
It is you who can't see reason and stick to the point, the point I'm making which you fail to see is the excuses given for Bebe don't add up. is he the first footballer with such humble beginnings? No, even Alex Song too has a sob story to tell, is he the only one who can't speak English, no Carlos Vela up till now still needs a translator, is he really young as people claim? not at all as I've clearly shown. But we all watch football and I don't see anything in Bebe to justify paying 7.4m for a player playing in the 3rd division in Portugal at 20 years of age.

duduspace:
Stop that poopycock abeg, this is a player bought for 7.4m what concerns me with his history? The likes of Denilson at the same age were already PL starters (after assured displays in the carling cup mind you), at this level as a 20 year old, if you can only look dangerous atimes then wahala dey. Remember also that for now he is an unknown quantity, what will happen when he is now well known and most defenders know how to defend against him? 

I can almost say with certainty that he is never going to make it as a winger, he has a physical advantage and decent pace but his thinking is slow and creativity is nigh nil (compare his performance to both Obertan and Jarvis who always looked to beat their man and mostly did) can you remember anytime Bebe really beat Elokobi with pace or trickery, apart from the time he stumbled into him and the ball broke luckily for him. If he gets moved into the middle it can only get worse as the CBs will always be breathing down his neck and its more congested in there. He was given a lot of space to operate by Elokobi yesterday for some weird reason but didn't really look like exploiting it much.

They are still very  much here with us and a lot of them are presently still YOUNGER than Bebe because when they were playing Wigan off the park they were in the 16/17 age range, (Wilshere, Ramsey, Lansbury are all under 20), one of them (Merida) has gone on to Athletico Madrid and played against Inter when they beat Inter in the Supercup. I understand when people mention adaptation as an excuse for Bebe but age should never ever be used.

kashmo:
Nah you kidding, right? I'm  if this feature was included in SA footie game! The one I downloaded then didn't have the feature you talking about! I even played the the full version but i must admit, I never won a penalty or went to penalties when playing at my friends house! Thanks 4 the knowledge, though

kashmo:
[b]Yep! I did download it on d day it came out. Boy, that game is d bomb! The Al is crazy as s[i]hit[/i], moreover, penalty kicks are revamped to

a new level.

You don't kick penalty like the conventional ones u played b4, now it has a range like the ones in basket ball. You have to gauge and time how

you kick if not, over the bar or u place it wide. In addition, penalty abilities now reflects when you taking a penalty. [/b]There is a certainty someone

like lampard will put his in the net to someone like, lets say, diaby of arsenal! So far, I'm impressed with the improvement Pes 2011 still

ain't downloadable, yet!

tkb417:
Cougar
but whats with the new Wengers style?
hope we no go become like gaynners in few years to come

debosky:
It's all Ancelotti's fault - with 3/4ths of their squad above 30, it must be shattering for Ibime to hear that their #1 target of the summer is Andrea Pirlo.

debosky:
Sharrap TK.

Kolo may still be playing for Asec Mimosa if we didn't rescue him so how can Kolo complain of being barren?

Gilberto, Vieira, Henry, Kanu, Lauren and other great ex-players are not complaining.

It is simply fashionable to bash Arsenal in the press so there's no issue there - we expect it but we will not tolerate falsehood.

tkb417:

This is a pefect example of how not to write

ure mentally challenged.

People shld read his posts above and point to what he tried to say
meaninless and yet he came back with more applesauce

i pity those wey dey study under u. u need Jesus
na today? we know dem type
olodo feeling funky.  .   . 

Ibime:
I would not be in the least bit surprised to discover that itk419 received a traumatic shock to his frontal lobe as a child, antecedentally informing his failure to decipher even a vestige of reason in Ibimes verbose commentary. That much is evident in the wild-goose chase he led all and sundry on, in his attempt to find meaning in my original post. His comprehension of my original post was so wide of the mark, if he was an archer, he would have shot one of the spectators in the stadium. His personalisation of what is a generic matter only speaks of his incongruence with the finer expressions of the English language. The aforementioned itk419 is easily riled up when you question his comprehension of literature and seeks to address his insecurities by course of personal attacks. In this respect, he finds avuncularity in another infamous creature with similar characteristics - Olusegun Obasanjo!

Phony200:
So desperate that they made the Messi's sign on a piece of serviette paper at the restaurant!

Genuflect:
@Bamsyle Eminem didn't diss Mariah cos of the failed relationship but mainly because she denied they ever dated.

Bamsyle:
There are two worlds of difference between Pac's and Em's saga . . . Pac was dissing Biggie, he only took a side-shot at Faith . . . here, Eminem is facing Mariah, looking her fully in the face and dissing her . . .

There's no hypocrisy here . . . and this ain't about sales . . . Eminem has always been known for taking cheap shots at women and individuals who'll offer him lil' or zero resistance . . . he took it to a ridiculous level with his obsession for Mariah . . . and when you try to refer to any credible battle he's ever had, you can only see Canibus . . . what about Supernatural, MC Juice and Rhymefest (all underground catz)?? Who won??

BTW, some threads ago, some catz were arguing about being 'witty' or calling names in a battle rap . . . Pac was blamed for not being 'witty' when battling . . . now, I wonder what they'll say 'bout this Eminem saga?? Read through the lines posted above and tell me those were 'witty' . . . moreso, they're being directed at a woman??

More like a teenager throwing tantrums cos his ex refused to deflower him . . .

tkb417:
@Cougar
what are you saying? i found it hard to believe ure contesting the post, you have time for plenty rubbish

that was some pure undiluted baloney with no concrete substance to hold on to.

Ibime:
I have long known that most Mancs lack comprehension, but I did not know that illiteracy was also a de jure pre-requisite to joining the festering ranks of intellectually-moribund Mancunians.

Where in my post did I refer to Kiko Macheda? Of course I was referring to Macheda Senior's claims that if Lazio had offered him a job for 500 Euros per month he would have made Kiko stay in Rome.

Arsène Wenger promises signings as sales break up dressing-room clique

Arsène Wenger has always been a believer in footballers who emerged out of Africa. With Emmanuel Eboué widely expected to follow Emmanuel Adebayor and Kolo Touré out of the Emirates this summer, there appears to be more to Arsenal's sales than a welcome windfall, not to mention the obvious convenience of knowing his squad will not be overly disrupted by the African Cup of Nations.

Wenger is an expert at selling players he wants to offload at a time that suits him, even if the players feel like they are the ones getting what they want. There is something ruthlessly strategic about his willingness to do business on Adebayor, Touré, and in all probability Eboué, who capered through a half of Arsenal's 2-1 win over Atletico Madrid. In one fell swoop, it diffuses the three major areas of conflict within the camp.

The tension between Adebayor and Nicklas Bendtner has never been particularly helpful. Then there is the mutual appreciation society involving Touré and William Gallas, which manifested itself in a winter crisis that saw the Frenchman stripped of the captaincy and the Ivorian slapping in a transfer request. Eboué's discord is rather more general, considering he managed to alienate the club's fans, who turned on him last term.

Adebayor, Touré and Eboué led a clique inside the dressing room, with Alexandre Song the junior partner. It is natural that men from a similar cultural background should connect and spend time in each other's company, but at times the group seemed a little too exclusive for comfort.

Song, easily the most improved performer at the club last season, is not seen as expendable by Wenger, but he is likely to be the only survivor.

Dealing with the situation so firmly is not ideal for a man who has always been a big supporter of African football, and has had a number of outstanding professionals from the continent under his wing – from George Weah, the striker he helped to become the World Player of the Year, to the three members of 2004 unbeaten champions – Patrick Vieira, Lauren and Touré, who was a dependable servant of Arsenal until he contracted malaria and visibly lost some of his usual sharpness.

Wenger is being predictably coy about what the funds he has generated will be used on, although he is pretty firm that it would not go on any attackers. There is no doubt that the squad is top heavy, with more quality and quantity in offensive than defensive positions. The most punchy of them all here was Andrey Arshavin, who seized upon two late chances with impudence to win the game, and demonstrated why class is worth every penny. "He has what you can't give to a player, he understands when there is danger," said Wenger.

So, too, did the youngest player on the pitch, Jack Wilshere, whose every touch was greeted with unabashed excitement from the Emirates crowd. Having seen Wilshere beef up over the summer, Wenger confirmed the boy is ready to start some games this term. "He is 17 years old, but has matured enough to compete already," assessed Wenger. "He has more power to take people on."

On the subject of more experienced heads, Wenger insisted that what signings he does make will happen sooner rather than later, which is saying something for the master of the deadline-day deal. Unless there are any "accidents" he intends to have his squad completed, and tuned, for the first game of the season.

The importance of a strong start is not lost on anyone. "We have Man United, Everton and Man City away in the first four games," Wenger smiled. "The team is conscious of a difficult start, but very determined to do well."

With that in mind, the question of whether a man of Vieira's stature would be present is moot. One thing is certain. The two men know each other so well that all it takes is a phone call to establish two essential home truths: Wenger needs to be sure that Vieira's knee can withstand enough Premier League football to make it worthwhile.

And Vieira needs to be sure he will see enough action to go to the World Cup as France's captain.

But the "psychological impact", as Wenger described it, of such a signing is a win-win. He cannot always rely on the impudence of Arshavin.