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Madawaki01: Yes they are both universities but built on different
foundations. It's like comparing university of
agriculture to universityy of technology because the
unitech offer agric engineering.

Therefore, Chris should have left my initial post alone. Go look at it and leave it be.

Chris has wasted my time; and his own sleep.

chris365: Where did i compare stellebosh to our own military institution.

You believe that Naai-geria has better institutions of military learning, compared to South Africa.

South Africa's institution is Stellenbosch university. Your institutions have been converted to universities (your words - not mine). So it's a university-to-university comparison. Not so?

So please, may we have rankings for these "brilliant" universities of yours. May we also have papers published. Internationally published. Peer reviewed. Please

Proof, please, that you have academic depth in your military sciences.

Failing that, you wasted your energy arguing with me. South Africa remains superior academically in respect of military sciences. You have failed to prove otherwise.

Your military analysts, therefore, are are pap 'n vleis. .

chris365: i already told you to look for education thread, I'll be there waiting for you.

You are wasting my time.

1. You state in your own words that your institutions of military learning have been converted to universities.

2. You admit that a university is a place of academic learning.

Therefore, you'd have to be completely irrational to refuse to compare Stellenbosch university to your institutions of military learning on this thread.

Both Stellebosch and your training institutions are universities. The thread is quite apt. Theres no other thread. The comparison is quite apt too. Points 1 and 2 are the basis.

Unless you want to escape the argument that you started? If you "see no basis for comparison", then you had no business telling me that you have better institutions. Theres no basis for comparison after all (according to you).

This is what happens when you jump into things head first

You get battered and you go to bed with a heavy heart

chris365: duhh!! Isn't that what i've been trying to teach you since. Must have been very hard for you to understand ABC

Try another tactic. You tied yourself up in knots. Clearly.

The question remains. Your military education institutions, which according to you have been converted to universities, how are they ranked relative to Stellenbosch university of South Africa?

Secondly, may we please have some papers published by your learned soldiers out of these universities. Internationally published and peer-reviewed papers. Please.

chris365: Our military schools already run every courses and that's why they were converted to Universities.

Yes - exactly the point. If they are universities, then they are places of academic learning. What else is a university if it not a place of academic learning?

Now, these universities of yours, where are they ranked, relative to Stellenbosch university, please?

Give us something quantifiable. Your academic rank for these universities you speak of.

While at that, please give us some of your internationally published, peer reviewed papers - as written by your learned soldiers. Please.

chris365: what i've been doing with you is not an argument but an education,

Then you had no business talking to me. You can't give me what I asked for and you were going off on a tangent, as you admit. You can't even prove that Stellenbosch, our institution of military learning is ranked lower than yours.

You shot your mouth off, when you had no clue what I was talking about. Vocalisation without comprehension - Okonkwo ways.

Military education - I am talking about military institutions of learning, academics, military science and studies.

If you are not arguing that, then go play somewhere else.

Can you see what anger does to a person? Go sleep the anger off and hopefully you'll know tomorrow whether you wish to ignore me or address me

Funny though, you admit that I started off like this

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CraigB:

Naai-geria has no credible military education institution.

Fact.

Clearly, the only person that's drifted off the debate is Okonkwo .

I still await my rankings, please, to cancel out my observation.

chris365: so now it's academic ranking?

I repeat. Yes - academic ranking for your military institution of learning, please. Military academia is the point. May I please have your ranking.

Where in the world are you ranked above Stellenbosch?

The more you come out with the same tired line, the easier things are for the readers

Please - prove to us that you military institution of learning is academically more robust that Stellenbosch. Give us the academic ranking, please.

chris365: so now it's academic ranking?

Yes. Academic ranking to prove that you have a culture of military academia. That's what we're arguing here. You must be on the wrong thread, then? Or are you so blinded by anger that you don't even see what is being argued?

The point is your military analysts know nothing, because you do not have a strong academic culture or institutions.

Unless you're happy to just argue blindly, I don't see what you problem is.

At some point, the "you're stupid" line will get tired, if it hasn't become tired already. Who on earth argues with a "stupid person" as much as you do? Very imbalanced, my friend.

Stellenbosch - our military institution of learning is ranked above any of yours, I repeat. What is your ranking, I ask again?

chris365: oh i know what am saying alright.
You expect that because SA or America does it this way, the rest should follow suit.
Well, we like to do things our way.
Anyone who's interested in military studies goes through NDA, and for your info they combine both brains and muscle. Probably why UN keeps giving us command of peacekeeping operations. And ya'll keep posing for photos.

Get this straight into your empty head. NDA runs military studies and combat trainings. And it's an institution that is more respected than yours.
I know you must have asked yourself why we've never lost a battle nor fled before, and you've never won any and have fled from a rag tag rebel group.
It has to be the institution gadamit. S.TUPID boy

Respected? What is your academic ranking? I can give you Stellenbosch's academic ranking.

Don't give us a statement that no one can quantify. Academically, where are you ranked in the world? Numbers please. Not words.

You said our military "is too slow to run an institution ". I was all too happy to show you that America does it like South Africa. Same academic system for military studies. So, AMERICAn defence are too slow to run an institution too?

You spoke too soon and now you're in a sticky situation. May I please have your academic ranking as well as your internationally published, peer reviewed papers.

chris365: .
Faculty of military studies in stellebosh started in early 90s while our military institutions right from secondary schools to uni (NDA) started decades before you dreamnt of starting a faculty.

No doubt NDA was established with assistance from the indians but now it is one of the most respected military universities in Africa. You can't deny it boy.

Exactly. The Indians gave you an academic structure. Now you'd have us believe something different. Thank you.

Now it's only your subjective view who has got better brains. Show us your academic literature. Where are your internationally published peer reviewed papers?

Compared to South Africa, what on earth makes you academically better? Do you even know Stellenbosch's ranking in the world? Relative to yours?

Academic ranking, sir. Academic ranking.

Your academic institutions have nothing on ours. Don't let us list the rankings now. We all know where the university of Stellenbosch is, relative to your academic institutions.

Academically, you people are rubbish, so we shouldn't listen to your so-called analysts.

This is what happens when you get angry at strangers on chat forums. You end up being the joke. Arguing without understanding what is being put forward. Look at you now

chris365: .
Now answer my question. Which of the two institutions or should i say ''institution vs faculty'' (since your military are too slow to run a full institution), have taught more foreign military personel?

Oh, to further cement your lack of understanding, you ask a question like that. One step at a time. First, you're proving my point through the bolded.

See below, why the institution is not being run by the military. See? You people know nothing about teaching military brains. You just teach military muscles.

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The South African Military Academy is based on similar principles as that of the Military Academy system of the United States (United States Military Academy United States Naval Academy United States Air Force Academy). The Academy is a military unit of the South African National Defence Force (SANDF) housing the Faculty of Military Science of the University of Stellenbosch.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_Military_Academy

You don't know what you're talking about, clearly...

Oh, at some point you'll have to realise that it's easier to speak like a normal person. You're doing yourself a disservice by constantly going toe-to-toe with someone that you'd like to believe is a fo*ol. It makes you the bigger fool, because clearly, you've allowed someone to get under your skin. Not very smart.

chris365: why would i be angry at you? I can only feel sorry for your head.

The only university that offers military studies in Nigeria is NDA. And the only university that runs it in SA is stallenbosh university, and the faculty(not the scholl) is partly owned by SNDF.
So i don't understand your reason for jonzing.

Now answer my question. Which of the two institutions or should i say ''institution vs faculty'' (since your military are too slow to run a full institution), have taught more foreign military personel?

Guy when i call you s.tupid, it's not anger. It what you really are. Check the meaning in case you've forgotten

It's obvious you're angry and are no longer in control of your emotions. More than 50 pages ago, you started telling me you weren't to going respond to me anymore. Yet you continued.

You then asserted you were indeed ignoring me. Yet, I had to show you that you had more posts than anyone else that were directed at me

You think I'm dull and intellectually not up to your level. Yet, you address me more than anyone else here hardly the behaviour of a balanced person!

Moving along. The Stellenbosch faculty of military of sciences. Give me something better than it in Naai-geria. Something as well organised. Something as widely published and researched. Something as academically robust. And no, the Stellenbosch faculty is housed in the SANDF academy - not owned by it . Thinker's block?

Just one institution in nigeria. And let's see your published papers. I've posted one of ours -by our educated soldiers.

You have no culture of military academia, in reality. Just something that pretends to be such a culture. Oh, and then there's the mouth, anger and brawn. On the brains side, well...

chris365: face it. Nigerian military institutions beats SA by far and until your military come here to learn, they'll never win any battle till you die. FACT

Really?

Give me a single Naai-gerian institution that has a military science faculty better than this...

http://www0.sun.ac.za/MilScience/

Just one.

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You people love saying you're tired and you won't respond, but your anger won't let you rest in peace, like you should

Academically, you have nothing; and you're at the mercy of other countries. Your institutions are ranked below South Africa's. Fact.

Don't keep singing the combat song. That's not the issue here. Comprehension, Okonkwo. Comprehension before speech.

By the way, no one forces you to talk to me. So don't blow your top as if CraigB forces you to respond to my posts. How long have you been threatening to ignore me again?

India is the 4 ranked strongest military power in the world, indian army officers train and learn in nigerian military academies. all posted here before on back pages. Pakistani amry officers train in nigeria too. nigerian military officers have the best combination of multi-national training of mixed combat tactics and war strategy in all africa, and one of the top best in the whole world.

Now there's a big twisted lie if I ever saw one. I posted a link showing exactly what the relationship between India and Nigeria is.

India is hardly the student and the Indian individuals that have gone to naai-geria are mere course participants. They aren't empty students hungry for knowledge. India built part of your institutions. What on earth could you teach them?

Lie not to us, sir. Foaming in the mouth won't change the fact that Naai-geria doesn't have a tradition of, or depth in military university education. Okonkwo-like anger is wasted on CraigB.

You keep telling me about irrelevant combat training. I'm talking about brains here. Not brawn. You people have no military literatuire from your institutions. You have lower grade institutions.

Therefore, your military analysts know nothing.

Look at this internationally published, peer-reviewed paper by our people: http://www.ajol.info/index.php/smsajms/article/download/75247/65814

"Maj William Moswetsi1, Lt Col Jaco Renken (Computer Information Systems) and Dr Ariane Neethling (Statistics), Faculty of Military Science, Stellenbosch University". Look at the quality of the academic work. Pure quality that your best analyst, Agaugust could never produce


Don't just open your mouth. Understand the argument and then respond. In your attempt to prove me fo*olish, you've repeatedly positioned yourself as an angry Okonkwo. Your anger is working against you and you've become a joke. Congratulations.

chris365: it still bites you that Africans will rather send their military to ours that have trained battle tested military that have never lost any battle to yours that keep graduating losers that have never won any. go hug transformer if it bites too much

So, just to be clear - is the argument that you train India now being abandoned? Ok.

Now, you need to understand, military studies have nothing to go with winning battles. Military studies are run by universities. Academic institutions, with Naai-geria not being the most capable in that regard.

That's why your military analysts are like Agaugust

scipher: Ah! Over 5000 south Africans reside in Nigeria, majority being whites and they Keep increasing

Expats and residents - two different things.

Because Naai-geria is a frontier market, companies pay some of the highest salaries for expats.

Don't delude yourself.

chris365: that's old. check a more recent one where indian officers participate in one of the training courses. olodo
http://allafrica.com/stories/201303030117.html





i think it bites you so hard that your military institutions have no credibility on the continent, awww!! if African armies recognizing our institutions for a start is not a sign of quality, i wonder what is to you. i doubt you know what quality is judging from what your brain has to offer on this thread so far

An extract from what you posted:

"He said only one Indian officer has so far attended the college in 1998 as participant of Course 7 set in spite of the existing bi-lateral agreement on military training between the countries.

A course participant is just that - a course participant. Hardly training of the Indian force by Naai-jeria. The article I posted my be dated 2010, but it shows who helped you with your still dodgy training institutions. India did. The same India that you claim to train now Funny.

This is why your military analysts aren't published.

NaijaPikinGidi: Why will you "gullibly" agree about a policy you have been merely told yet embarrass yourself by refusing to read anything out of Nigeria's Constitution and Jonathan's position and uniform as the Commander-In-Chief of the armed forces. Are angry at the mask/uniform or the people wearing it?

Because a policy is not a published statute. There's no way to prove the existence or the non-existence of a policy. Not for me anyway.

However, a constitutional provision is a different matter. It has been shown already that there's no section in your constitution that allows your president to wear military colours. Naai-gerians are sheeple.

NaijaPikinGidi: Fools die hard. Someone wants to spy on the spy balloon? You fail to believe our General then must we believe the SANDFgenerals?

What kind of sick society would Naai-geria have to be to allow a "spy balloon" to hover over their cities?

This country is a ghetto full of sheeple.

http://ntdtv.org/en/news/world/middle-east-africa/2013-05-09/afghans-fear-us-spy-blimps-are-invading-their-privacy.html

While foreign troops are set to leave Afghanistan by 2014, the U.S. spy blimps are expected to stay behind, leaving Afghan residents worried about an invasion of privacy.

Equipped with cameras and microphones, the blimps can stream video and audio in real time, a key technology for U.S. surveillance and intelligence.

agaugust: India is the 4 ranked strongest military power in the world, indian army officers train and learn in nigerian military academies. all posted here before on back pages. Pakistani amry officers train in nigeria too. nigerian military officers have the best combination of multi-national training of mixed combat tactics and war strategy in all africa, and one of the top best in the whole world.

And we proved that you were twisting facts.

http://www.eisourcebook.org/cms/Dec%202012/The%20Changing%20Nature%20of%20Nigeria-India%20Relations.pdf


See page 5 and stop lying to the unsuspecting public.

You military education institutions are suspect.

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A number of Nigeria’s top military personnel received training in India’s defence establishments, including former Presidents Buhari, Babangida and Obasanjo. The scope of India–Nigeria defence cooperation has been enlarged to include defence trade and technical cooperation in areas such as armaments and ammunition, helicopter trainer aircraft, fast-attack patrol boats, assistance in establishing joint ventures and the renovation of Nigerian dockyards.3 In addition, India agreed to set up two information technology laboratories in the Nigerian Defence Academy. With inputs from India’s armed forces officers, one of the two was to be upgraded into a degree-granting Nigerian Military University. India also presented US$1 million worth of communications equipment to the Nigerian armed forces.4

chris365: it's our military policy to always conceal the identity of our special forces whether in the sun or rain. It's tha Nigerian ARMY Military gadamit, not a tea party or modeling agency like SA military.
fACT

No one denies your policy stance. We're saying it's a dumb policy. Even you can't explain the rationale behind it, because there isn't one. No sensible one anyway.

chris365: oh how really dumb you are. Why don't you tell that too other African countries that have sent their high ranking officers to come and train in our military institutions.

So, this is the new measure of quality? That other African countries have sent their officials to Naai-geria? Funny.

Face it. Military education in Naai-geria is disorganised to non-existent. That's why your analyses here are bad for the young ones.

agaugust: maybe @craigB was the one posing as @redyellowgreen or he got someone in nigeria to do it for him. just a guess though. @redyellowgreen could not reply and decode the intel word 'dolphin' as requested by @herzon lorraine. then he began to post some other people's phtotos, then i lost every respect i had for him, not a nigerian intel guy as believed. some soldier dude maybe, or just a police oriented civilian.

Ok. Now, I'm yellow green? Very nice. You're just upset that the yellow green person splashed your pictures all over here and exposed you as a 40 + year old fraud who isn't what he claimed to be.

So, yeah. Jump up and down and speculate all you want. I don't care. Fact is you were exposed and you ran! You wouldn't have run of those pictures weren't real

Yellow green will come for you again if you carry on like this

agaugust: nigeria is willing to teach south africa how to build a space spy ballon if you are humble enough.

South Africa is not a ghetto. We are a democracy and we aren't going to have spy balloons hovering over our cities.

agaugust: most DENEL workers that use brains...white south africans

most DENEL worker that use only hands and legs...black south africans

The usual argument once you've accepted SA's superiority. And let's see - when you fight South Africa, it will matter whether the South Africans in front of you are black or white?

Top analysis from a fake MBA.

chris365: why don't you tell that your brother that asked the st.upid question. Cos he got the kind of answer he wanted. Olodo pikin

Highly unlikely that my brother expected an uneducated answer.

Ditto re:your comment.

NaijaPikinGidi: You wish you knew his identity? You want to find his MBA publication? Help yourself CraigB. If you can.

Naai-geria has no credible military education institution.

Fact.

And Agaugust is no MBA.

Fact.

Agaugust wil never be published.

Fact.

agaugust: unable to reply your above post, found no brain .

Now, isn't that the truth?

That's all there is to it. A big dream to be an analyst in a country that has produced no real analyst in its entire existence. You are a fraud, Sir. Just look at your pictures.

Donian007: You think military tactics is a lexicon affair? I have always tried to ignore you because you represent a juvenile mess, and don't quote me again, if you want to respond to my comments just click reply. Be Warned!

And I've told you, I don't care of you ignore me.

In fact all of you could ignore me. I care not.

That won't change the fact that you don't know what the difference is between masking and camouflage

Your forces have no business wearing masks in a hot country like yours; and you have failed to explain it.

"Be warned?", he says. Okonkwo tendencies

agaugust: DENEL is owned by south african government, the SANDF pays for the weapons and that is why they have very few like 43 G6 artillery and 11 Rooivalk helicopters, they buy only what their lean pocket can afford.

Denel is owned by the government.

Therefore, Denel's profits go to the government.

SANDF expenditure is government expenditure.

Therefore, your point is dead.

Fail.

agaugust: fraud ?

Yes. Fraud. You aren't published anywhere and never will you be. In fact, Naai-geria does not have the ability to produce a single respected military analyst. That's why you fraudulently claimed to have an MBA and to be based and working in the US.

No one would even dream of using your dodgy analyses in a publication.

Fraud is the word.

Donian007: NIGERIA must not be South Africa, we do it our own way to suit our terrain, have you also seen how our soldiers bind 3 mags on their rifles? I think masking is better than rubbing paints like Ghana's newly formed SFs or SA recces.

Another rubbish argument. Paint is camouflage. Masking is identity concealment.

Two different and unrelated concepts.

You guys are funny.