₦airaland Forum

rowrowland:
A true seeker of knowledge and truth won't say that, ever. Just this little conversation with one fellow on nairaland- and you're fully convinced that sahih hadith's are untrue?! Are you indeed really seeking truths? Hadith's are already classified- meaning that some people did a lot of jobs(filtering, collecting, and more). Now you have doubts: Islam is for a sane mind- start asking scholars of hadiths questions (with an open mind of course). Pls also note that difference in genuine opinions are actually a blessing to this ummah. What is haram or halal is clear.

Read the dates of that comment and that of the first post. I dug deeper after making this thread and found more compelling evidence. There is no need to try to blackmail me with things like "you are straying from Islam" or "you have doubts"

LegalWolf:
Ya Akhi, your premise is sound and your logic valid. Jazakumu LLAHU khairan

Ameen. Thank you nrother

Another interesting Hadith:


Al-Bukhaari (1880) and Muslim (1379) narrated that Abu Hurayrah (may Allah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “On the roads leading to Madinah there are angels and neither infections nor the Dajjaal will enter it.”

compton11:
Sahih is not 100% percent reliable especially sahih Bukhari,thya book needs to be revised cos it has cause much wahala in Islamic world.

Unfortunately, some Muslims can go as far as calling you a Kafir because of this.

Usernamesucks:
Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullah wa barakaatuh. Just so you know, the said Abduljabbar had a debate with scholars and he has since apologised for his statements.
https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/more-news/472970-kano-cleric-accused-of-blasphemy-apologises.html

Wa'alaikumu Salam brother.

I watched the video of the apology. It was made because many of us were accusing him of insulting the prophet, so he clarified it and apologized to those who felt offended.

Also, the debate was more of a Q and A session. They asked him to open the pages of all the false hadiths he mentioned in 10 minutes and he was unable to do so.

Faithful007:
What is happening in Nigeria can never be compared to America at all. Never!! Why are people emigrating to the US then. People are running away from Nigeria by boat, vehicles, Aircraft, Ship, basically anything that moves. And you say Nigeria is better. Something must be wrong with you.

Why did Europeans leave their heaven to come here? People move for different reasons.

Besides, most of the problems in Nigeria are more, far far more rampant in my region (Northern Nigeria) but we hardly ever travel for migration unlike the southerners. It's also the same in the case of other poor west African nations.

AntiChristian:
Insults? Ignorance and not wanting to learn is an ailment. You kept refusing to answer questions here and you kept rejecting the answers given.

May Allah protect us from the Shaytan that has infected your skul.

When next you come online do answer the following questions completely and explicitly as you can without using any Sahih ahadith.

1. Show us the Five daily prayers by their names in the Qur'an. Then mention where it is stated that we pray Fajr reciting aloud, Zuhr silently....

2. Show us the mode of praying Salah explicitly from the Qur'an including all the recitations from start to finish. How many Rakah has each Salah? Each Nawaafil?

3. Show us the ruling on Taharah & Istinjah as related to Salah from the Qur'an.

4. Allah says there are 12 months in the Qur'an. Show us the 12 Islamic months from the Qur'an?

5. How do you know how much Zakah to pay from the Quran?

6. It says in the Quran to shorten the prayer when you travel. How long do you have to travel in order to be eligible to have this privilege? How short do you have to cut the prayer?

7. The Qur'an says to cut the hand of the thief. Does the word 'cut' in the verse mean to cut off or to cut in the sense of making a mark, or could it be metaphorical and mean cutting off the resources of the thief?

8. The prophecies of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) came true from the hadith, thus proving that there are divine revelations sent down to the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) other than the Quran. How do you explain this?

9. The Quran says that men can beat their wives. But we know according to the hadith that this is meant to be a light beating that inflicts a spiritual punishment and not a harmful physical punishment. What is to stop a man from misinterpreting the Quran and beating his wife severely?

10. The Qur'an says that we must obey Allah and the Messenger (Surah 3:31-32,132; Surah 4:13-14, 59, 61, 64, 69, 80; Surah 24:56). There are two separate commands here. One is to obey Allah and the other is to obey the Prophet. In order to obey someone, he would need to issue a command. So if we want to obey Allah we have to do so by reading the commands of Allah in the Quran and adhering to them. If we want to obey the Prophet then we have to do so by reading the commands of the Prophet (peace be upon him) in the authentic hadith and adhere to them. Or is there another way?

11. It says in the Qu'ran (Surah 33:21) that we have the Messenger as a good example to follow. How would we know his example without the traditions to turn to?

12. We have different forms of reciting the Qur'an, which means that certain letters are taken away from the word or pronounced differently. Through authentic hadith, we know that these were accepted forms of reading approved by the Prophet (peace be upon him). But without hadith, how would we know this? Using the Qur'an alone, if I see that there are different forms of recitation then I would think that there is more than one Qur'an and I wouldn't know which one is correct.

13. In Surah 2:221, God forbids us to marry polytheist women. Yet in Surah 5:5, God says that we can marry the believing women and the chaste women from the People of the Book. This is a clear differentiation between believing women and People of the Book. You can't have a believing person today from the People of the Book who is not a Muslim. So if God were talking about the believing women from the People of the Book then He wouldn't have differentiated the "believing women" phrase from them. Furthermore, the believing people from the People of the Book were the ones who truly followed the teachings of Jesus and Moses, which are lost today. So by using the Quran alone, how do I know which verse was revealed first? Did Surah 2:221 come first and then God sent down Surah 5:5 making an exception or did God send down Surah 5:5 first and then send Surah 2:221 by completely prohibiting us from marrying the women from the People of the Book?

14. In Surah 24, verse 31 says "And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof" What exactly is this part that "appears thereof"?

15. Allah says in the Qur'an (Surah 75:19) that the Qur'an will be recited. But then in the verse right after (verse 20) it is also said that the Qur'an will be explained. If the Qur'an is self-explanatory then the only thing that needs to be done is reciting it out. However, in verse 19 the function of reciting is done and then in the verse right after, the function of explaining is done. Clearly these are two different tasks, which mean that reading the Qur'an alone would not give you the full explanation required. It has to be explained through some other source. What is that other source?

Two things:

1) Allah says we should obey the prophet, but how can we obey him when SOME of the reports contain glaring lies against him?

2) I did not in any part of my post say that all Hadiths are lies, you are deliberately assuming that because you are getting emotional. If I have to accept every report about prophet Muhammad just because sayings have been attributed to hin, then YOU must also accept all other Hadiths (including the "weak" ones and those that were completely discarded).

With all the blackwater and other war criminals comfortably residing in US today, it's only fair that we keep our super cop with us. He is not as bad as the soldier that shot down a civilian airplane in 1980, Iran (and got a promotion for it) without repercussions. Just yesterday, some 17,000 artifacts that had been looted during the Iraq war were returned (after they had made millions for Amerikkka) and we also have several allegations about USA stealing oil in Iraq and Libya.


If Abba Kyari is going to be prosecuted, let him face justice here. We need our son to continue his good work against bandits and boko haram. Shildren hate and stupidity can go drill themselves in their ugly butts if it offends them. God bless you Sir.

obami007:
If the USA means you, nothing can stop them from getting you.

Have they gotten Snowd yet?

BiafraAburi:
This fool, stop fooling yourself or else the Hausa man will call you out.

Terrorists

sizzorchan:
well. we are bad and everyone else is good. that's how brainwashed some people have gotten

That's the annoying thing. Anybody that says Nigeria is good is a big liar, but that doesn't mean we are the worst. What you are seeing here is even reasonable compared to Facebook users.

Funny thing is, they are the first to downplay every little achievements of the country while celebrating complaining about any negative thing about Nigeria.

If I come out and say that some terrorists were killed in Kaduna today, 60% will avoid the post whole 40% will look for ways to call me a liar but if I say that some soldiers were shot by bandits, no one will ask for proof. They'll be springing out of everywhere like ants

sizzorchan:
Isn't there a warrant out there for George Bush? haha. i think i remember reading that. this was a man responsible for over 100,000 deaths in Iraq by the way. who extradited him go anywhere. people funny sha.

One officer that shot down an Iranian airline in the 1980s (killing 290 people) was even given a medal in US. No questions, no displinary actions, nothing. I don't know if people are deliberately overlooking these things or they are really that dumb.

willybaby:
you don't remain patriotic you remain sane

Nigerians crucifying abba kyari already even without hearing his side of the story if true or not when same Nigerians are quick to shout human rights, so kyari has no rights now to have his own side of d story heard Abi..

I don't even want to hear Kyaris side of the story. If he did something illegal here, let him get justice here. If it were left to some nairalanders I swear they'd gladly return the Atlantic slave trade if it would please those white men.

DubaiLandLord1:
You're always wailing about the USA, yet you no come back to Nigeria, which is far better than the USA

In terms of security, USA is far far secured than Nigeria.

Lol

Valkrie:
And who rejected them oga? Last I checked people in the east stayed at home in solidarity with ipob when MNK is to appear in court...!! You honestly don't know what you are saying. !!

This post was made this very morning. You can't fool the world. On Monday, a man's Sienna was damaged simply because he refused to show solidarity. There are also violent videos about "traitors" being castrated and killed.

BiafraAburi:
Can you name such a pastor with evidence of him attacking muslims and going scot-free?

There was pastor Audu Nicholas that once suggested on Raypower station that northerners are uneducated because they only know religion and many of its aspects are backward and archaic.

If we were half the radicals you southerners portray us as, that guy would have been axed to pieces because he is known to live in Barnawa. There was also a southern kaduna activist that joined Namdi Kanu to insult northerners and till date, nothing has happened to him. There's also Bishop Kukah.

AntiChristian:
Now I'm able to diagnose your ailment. This is the same ailment the honorable OON in SW suffer from.

We ask Allah to cure you from your doubts. It would only be completely foolish trying to continue discussion with someone adamant in ignorance who refused to learn and unlearn.

I had to stop reading your post when I saw the same mistake OON made in translation of "Qatala" as "qaatala".

The hadith uses the former which is to repulse the person from passing directly in front of the praying person. The latter which means "kill" was not used in the hadith. This is another orientalist lie by twisting the meaning of a text by adding a single Alif.

All these Ahadith are not contradictory in any way as i said before. One can touch one's wife during menses but copulation only is forbidden. The Izar is the lower garment used to cover the private parts.

I wonder why you guys have no insight!
We ask Allah to grant you insight as only Him is able to guide aright!

As expected, you resorted to insults. The "sahih" Hadith, which many ignorant Muslims shamelessly equate with the Qur'an is very much not wholly accurate and that's that. May Allah continue to open the eyes of others and protect us from those who innovate and lie against our prophet, Amin.

BiafraAburi:
In the north or in yorubaland, udele will not get a warning. A very huge difference.

Nonsense. There are so many northern pastors that attack Muslims in the north but they have not been touched. But we have seen Ipob killing native doctors, destroying property and threatening lives simply because they have been rejected

barojana:
Is US THAAD not as good as S400? I know US patriots are not that good, reason why Israelis abandoned it to develop their own.

Perhaps turkey can buy David sling if Israelis finally decided to sell.

I don't think it is as good as the S400. USA makes quality weapons, but the quality in most cases isn't worth the price they charge for them. This is one of the reasons their defense budget is so huge.

Democratic indeed.

Mikecold:
I believe this is very true because it's times like this they say the truth to get less time

Super fraud Abba Kyari my foot

Just imagine what the USA department of Justice would think about Nigeria police and justice system

So what? We are talking about the rot in our country. OUR. Quit this inferiority complex. Abba Kyari should be locked up asap

GeneralFarouq:
Let not eevn talk about the Australian SAS who with impunity committed war crimes against Afghan populace.

Exactly bro. I just read that a 12 year old was shot by an Israeli soldier yesterday. Anybody that thinks those deals were dropped because of "human rights abuses" is extremely naive.

Gerrard59:
You are the monkey since you cannot read that the two senators who kicked against the sale are REPUBLICANS.

Cretin!

Just continue being an idiot sir. Good morning

officialfoodie:
After frolicking with John Kerry and Obama to deny GEJ arms on false human rights violation claims, you now want to claim educated about what you know nothing about. Sit down boy, read up. America does business but they follow protocols or you think they are like your illiterate brothers. America would resort to reasons for denying sale of weapons to any country they so please and they have seen one to deny your darling terrorist daddy. So shut up and put your almajiri parasite brain where it can be of use; herding cows

Yep, the goat has started bleating already. May I know those protocols you are talking about? As long as they continue gifting weapons to Saudi Arabia and Israel, they can only deceive incompetent, 5kb-brained FOOLS with human rights. We'll buy from Russia and continue dealing with Bokoharam, bandits, and ESN terrorists.

safesurfer:
wow. Thanks for the enlightenment.

So what the fck is now stopping Nigeria from patronizing other countries for weapons apart from the USA?

It's that cowardly CAATSA policy of USA that sanctions countries that buy weapons from Russia but many countries are giving them the middle finger. I think it's time for us to do the same

officialfoodie:
Oh, so now the same Democrats who helped Buhari into power are now against buhari? You guys are comedians. Same Obama that refused to sell arms to GEJ because of you rats in govt currently, citing human rights abuse that Elrufai and co concocted. Suddenly, dem no sell because of buhari and his terrorism loving govt, always using excessive force on unarmed civilians and pampering terrorists.

Lmao. Una go dey alright, you just need to visit psychiatric hospital.

How did they help him come to power? Ipob claims are never without traces of madness.

I asked you a simple question. Was it also IPOB that made them refuse to sell arms to Jonathan?

Let me educate your ipob-class brain. USA doesn't give a hoot about human rights, otherwise they wouldn't be selling weapons to Israel, Egypt, Saudi Arabia and co. In fact, they even gifted some weapons to MBS.

It's not an issue though, we'll simply buy from Russia.

FakeUnity:
IPOB has messed up buhari's regime, within and without. The whole world now sees buhari as an islamic fundamentalist and terrorist, especially with his association with Al-qaeda supporter Sheik Ali Pantami Isa who declared support for Osama Bin Laden's killing of innocent Americans.

All IPOB needs is to send all the evidence to the White house and Senate commitee on defense in the US congress.
buhari government don suffer for IPOB hand.

Was it also Ipoop that stopped them from selling arms to Jonathan? What you are seeing right now is the handwork of DEMOCRATS, and not some flag-waving black monkeys. They have a strong (pretentious) obsession about "human rights ", hence they use it against regimes that refused to do their bidding. Even the Tucanos we are receiving is the result of Trump's presidency.

FakeUnity:
IPOB has messed up buhari's regime, within and without. The whole world now sees buhari as an islamic fundamentalist and terrorist, especially with his association with Al-qaeda supporter Sheik Ali Pantami Isa who declared support for Osama Bin Laden's killing of innocent Americans.

All IPOB needs is to send all the evidence to the White house and Senate commitee on defense in the US congress.
buhari government don suffer for IPOB hand.

Was it also Ipoop that stopped them from selling arms to Jonathan? What you are seeing right now is the handwork of DEMOCRATS, and not some black monkeys. They have a strong (pretentious) obsession about "human rights ", hence they use it against regimes that refused to do their bidding. Even the Tucanos we are receiving is the result of Trump's presidency.

Stormtrooper11:
Stop mentioning Iraq and Syria. Those are warzones. Let's talk bout mainland United states.
You talk about black people been killed. Yeah. We all know about racism in the U.S. Nigeria is a predominantly populated by black people. What is the excuse? Tribalism We have no excuse for extra judicial killings. Just because a first world country commit crimes, doesn't justify us doing the same thing. Mind you, Nigeria is worse. You talked about weapons in hands of civilians in the U.S. Do u have any idea the large amount of weapons in circulation in Nigeria? It might not be as much as the amount in the U.S,but it is a bad situation cos we have no data and majority ain't licensed.

Warzone? Is that the sole excuse you have for those attacks? By the way, the Iraq war itself is a crime that Nigeria can never match.

Look, I'm not in any way saying that Nigeria is good. We are messed up in a lot of ways, but facts don't lie. We have nothing on USA when it comes to human rights violations (mind you, I said USA and not other western countries). They are just better at downplaying it.

That they are maintaining friendly relations with Saudi Arabia and Israek speaks volume about their concern with human rights. Anyways, let's not derail this beautiful thread

GeneralFarouq:
Nigeria grows balls, Nigeria gets invaded, sanctioned etc....
Who knows they may claim we have WMD, and second Iraq happens
Let's our politicians cautiously maintain these tiny ones we have

You are right, sadly.

Faithful007:
Not true. They only threaten those who want to eat from both sides. Especially when it comes to serious equipment. Turkey had entered into the F35 program and was still seeking to buy S-400 missile systems. Iraq did similar stuff as well. F35 fighters are still the most advanced jets currently.

But the CAATSA terms doesn't put it that way. Also, India faced similar threats when they bought the S-400

Stormtrooper11:
Do the U.S use its law enforcement agencies on its people? Does it allow the extra judicial killings by its police on its people nearly on a weekly basis? Does it government allow organised bandits and terrorists kidnap school children, ravage its lands for a decade?
Damn. People will still argue. We should be truthful. Our government is slow in reacting

1) yes, many law enforcement agents kill their citizens especially black civilians and many get away with it. Are we living in a different universe? Secondly, Trump recently pardoned convicted criminals who killed civilians for fun in Iraq.

2) yes, they not only allow but encourage extra-judicial killings of people. You are more likely to be shot by a US officer than by a Nigerian officer because unlike in our case, anybody could be armed in the US so they are more ruthless.

3) the Free Syrian Army, Al Nusra, etc all enjoy US support even though they have been caught behaving like Isis on many occasions.

This is just the tip of the iceberg self.