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Seun:
Why not answer the questions yourself, since you think they are relevant to our discussion? Answer them and make your point(s), if you can.

Now after banning naijadeyhia you want to reply his questions with questions of your own simply becase you have no way of answering those simple surface thinking questions which are on your very level.

You believe so much in evidence and always demand for them so don't run away or dodge when asked for same evidence why you believe Peter or the Holy spirit were responsible for the death of Ananias and Saphira.

You say you based all you wrote up there on assumptions yet you parade your assumptions as the truth so show us evidence of this truth.

Give it your best shot seun and answer them..I promise not to laugh.

Brigance:
The freewill brouhaha huh?

I'd like to take the approach that the very fact that you think we have freewill means that we do not.

For it must seem to me as a luxury thrust upon us without our permission, so to speak.

And no, I do not share your opinion that Yahweh/Religion handed over morality to us.

Believe what you wish

TomHagen:
This your logic na wa o. Before God created anything was there evil? As at Genesis 1:1

God never created Evil. Evil is as an absence of good. Adam and eve were good until they became adulterated and their 100% record of obedience was tainted by a singular act of disobedience which removed their good so like a seed planted, evil began to grow and increase.

You see why i say that for someone seeking the truth you ask the wrong questions. Your questions are a mockery and never a quest for truth.

Brigance:
If by self-learning, you mean imperfect, then no.

Heck, Yahweh did had perfect beings in mind.

And if you'd put words in Yaweh's mouth and say He planned on a self-effacing being who will continue on an unwinding voyage of malfunctioning, then he has no business getting angry each time they slip.

This defeats the idea of an eternal retribution, Hell fire as the case may be.

This is what you do not understand. Free will is not immeasurable. Free will is given to man within certain guided limits otherwise man would be lost forever same way a computer is able to arrive at answers to a question by using different approaches but all within its realm of programming.

God giving man free will isnt imperfection. If it was then there would be no morality in existence as all would do solely as they deem fit but throught free will choices we are able to learn and understand and grow.

How would I know cold steam and hot steam are not the same if I do not choose to touch it or I refuse to take instruction when told one is hot and one is cold.

If you live in a house with your kids to yu the walls and doors can serve as boundaries and your kids are free to roam within the house but not outside those boundaries.

Brigance:
If I were omnipotent and omniscient and omnibenevolent, I won't create a Robot that malfunctions.

I guess that means u wouldn't create a self learning human by giving him free will. If u call free will malfunctioning then it shows u do not even know who u are.

AnonyNymous:
Idk but if you break the rules you pay for it. See how naijadeyhia raped my thread when he came to argue about something totally unrelated to the post, filling almost two pages and still telling me that he has the right to post his shit anywhere without addressing the op

Ok so on Nairaland there are rules which have been laid down and when broken is meant to be served? Yet with God you all conveniently look away from God's rules and focus on His judgement same as in the case of Ananias and Saphira.

Is the Judgement to blame or is the rule breaker the one to blame for breaking the law and waking up the judgement?

Answer me pls.

raphieMontella:
like i said..ur prayer to ur big fat man in the sky shud be let him grant u a brain..
Or he shud unpassword his wifi so that u can download a sense of reasoning and attach it to ur counterfeit brain..
Im nt spoon-feeding u on the issue of hitler again..after all if u spoon feed a baby the baby grows to feed it self..maybe its stunted growth or ignorance...ignorance is a trait of religion..
So m nt suprised

I suggest you read the below link

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler


When you are done you can come back and tell me if Hitler was a Theist or an Atheist.

Adebayor1:
This is the first picture of a British schoolgirl who was caged up for four years by her DAD because of her “un-Islamic” behaviour.

SunUK reports Amina Al-Jeffery, who was born in Swansea and is now 21 years old, has been beaten and starved by her father, Mohammed Al-Jeffery, since she was 16.

The Foreign Office is trying to bring Amina back to the UK amid fears for her safety – but the Saudi government has given Mr Al-Jeffery funding to fight the High Court’s order to return her.

The 21-year-old was moved to Saudi Arabia five years ago and held as prisoner at her dad’s home
because he did not agree with her western lifestyle.

The 62-year-old, who works at the King Abdulaziz University, was told to take his daughter to the British consulate in Jeddah to meet her lawyers.

But he refused to unless the Foreign Office vowed not to grant her “sanctuary”.

At an earlier meeting the 21-year-old managed to slip a note under the table to a member of embassy staff allegedly saying she feared for her future.

Ms Hutchinson, a member of the international Academy of Family Lawyers, said: “She is a normal Welsh girl and still has her Welsh accent.

“She wants to return home so she can have control of her own life and make her own choices.”

But Marcus Scott-Manderson, QC, representing Mr Al-Jeffery said he “could not bring himself” to obey the court order.

Mr Justice Holman said that the jurisdiction of the British courts was not clear because Amina was now an adult with dual Saudi and UK citizenship.

He said: “We have to be careful about asserting the supremacy our cultural standards.”

Mr Al-Jeffery had moved to Swansea before Amina was born, and the family claimed benefits while his nine children were educated at British schools and universities.

The hearing continues.

Source: http://www.lailasblog.com/2016/07/photo-british-muslim-kept-in-cage-by.html?m=1

Islam and negative action and news are birds of a feather.

Ranchhoddas:
I have defined myself-Transitioning Christian. I am not to blame if you cannot wrap your head around it.

You have no definition until you arrive at where you are transitioning to.

You are a fence sitter....neither here nor there so you are not defined by worlds standards but as a Christian which I am I would say you have backslidden as that would be my definition of you but if I say so you would say you are not especially since you are still transitioning.

So know who you are first before you give others names. Be an observer until you do.

Ranchhoddas:
This is why you should stop making assumptions. There's so much you don't know.

If you are yet to define yourself and your ideology why then bash God? Is that not confusion and self deception?

If you still have personal baggage why not offload it first before you start bashing your maker. That is why Jesus said ,"COME UNTO ME ALL YE WHO ARE WEARY AND HEAVY LADEN AND I WILL GIVE YOU REST".

You need to offload first. So stop bashing God on threads until you do.

Ranchhoddas:
This would require another round of explanation and frankly I am tired of typing....If I see such a girl I won't hesitate, but I prefer church girl. She go dey pray for my soul.

So you believe in prayer? Who would she be praying to then?

raphieMontella:
still waiting for naijadeyhia to say smtin bout isiah 45:7..lol...maybe he ran out of ideas when he found out that

In scripture the word evil was translated from the hebrew word רוע which means adversity, affliction, calamity, distress, misery but in attempt for the translators to do justice they used the word evil which is close but not the actual meaning.

God was talking about consequence for disobedience and not that He created evil.

The context of Isaiah 45:7 makes it clear that something other than “bringing moral evil into existence” is in mind. The context of Isaiah 45:7 is God rewarding Israel for obedience and punishing Israel for disobedience. God pours out salvation and blessings on those whom He favors. God brings judgment on those who continue to rebel against Him. “Woe to him who quarrels with his Master” (Isaiah 45:9).

I know you would not understand this because all you do is pick one scripture without knowing that scriptures confirm each other.

raphieMontella:
yes..there are christians in isis states who die like chickens for misguided beliefs abt a big fat man in the sky..
..there are also a lot who are hiding in the shadows....i said y cant u...since ure a proud christian..i singled out u..u dodged it..keep on evasing it..chicken hearted individual
by being in isis states i meant going to their mosques and preaching it like all christians..since islam is fakke to u..
Nigeria is a religious country...so proclaiming atheism lets say in tv stations can be regretful...
One doesnt have to start ranting bout atheism on roads or everywhere..it makes it seem religious..and atheism is nt...anyone who asks me my religion..i say i dnt have one.
I dnt believe in god...countless jehovah witnessess..
Atheism is a disbelief nt a belief oga...doing the things u stipulate makes it seem religious...if u tink disbelief in smtin is a system of belief...mehn u far frm sense...
On the issue of my real face...if u want to see me...i'd give u my location (asaba delta state)..
I bet physical evidence wud be better...because i can as well upload anyone's photo if i were to abide by u...so come over to asaba...and testify...
Loads of bullshvt..

U and common sense be like

So says the guy who keeps bashing God on NL and keeps shouting that he does not believe in God yet he isnt preaching. Delusion in its purest form.

Ranchhoddas:
Desperation. You must really love the word TRANSITIONING. Where did I say that I detested God for anything?....It's because I like church weddings ooo. No spiri koko involved. No pastor will see any vision on my behalf. So don't get your hopes up.

The word Transition is something I borrowed from u since u said u are a Christian in transition.

So now u do not detest God yet you talked about Him being vindictive, angry, jealous, and all that.

Confusion galore.

Go and marry a transitioning girl young man. Look for one who follows ur ideology and wed her na.

Lol

ypeace:
Toorh! everything wiki and google say is the most correct bah?

you are really trying hard to make us belief we worship it. Because without that, other condemnation hold no water....... keep trying.

What other condemnation? You all are doing a pretty good job condemning yourselves by yourselves. So sorry I am not on the condemnation train.

Ranchhoddas:
Everyone in my family serves God. I hope to get married in a church to a decent church lady. So what's the fuss. Na only me no dey serious with church for my house. Kini big deal?

See your confusion!

Lmao at decent Church Lady. How old are you? 19?

So you are still living with mummy and daddy? Children Atheists everywhere.....more like AGE OF REBELLION!

You say you detest God for having feelings yet you want to get married in Church to a decent Church girl. Why not look for a decent TRANSITIONING girl same as you?

Ranchhoddas:
This is what happens when you hit the brick wall of reason, you become paranoid. If you like call me anything. There will also be atheists and other non-believers after you are dead as they were before you were born.

No doubt Arheists would still be here long after I go to meet my maker but they probably would be like 0.05% of world population which at best would be insignificant.

Besides your kids and grandkids would be serving God long after your leave and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it.

Cheers.

ypeace:
so significant in Islam that it was not even mentioned in the Qur'an?
Muslims do not worship it.
the pagans held the belief (among others) that their statue can do them good or evil. The black stone is a black stone. it neither brings good nor evil. that is the belief of Muslims.


Does loving, something so dearly equates to worshipping that something?

Google is your friend.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Stone


So why love a black stone so deeply if it holds no relevance? Read the link I just pasted. Thank me later.

Amberon11:
Hahahahahahah

The bolded can be correct tho. These atheists can be anything.

He is totally an islamic Atheist. I could tell. Lol

But really Atheists can be anything......they can be dog loving Atheists or pig loving Atheists or Juju Atheists or Voodoo Atheists...etc. bunch of jokers and bundle of contradictions.

Pidggin pls leave that guy alone. He is a bonafide card carrying member of the Atheist Republic. They are only relevant in the face of Religion.

I have told them repeatedly and I will say so again for you Ranchhoddas, Christianity would keep waxing strong long after you are plant manure.

What you are doing is called shadow boxing...you will only end up tiring yourself out while your shadow wouldnt break a sweat.

I encourage you to continue with the shadow boxing. When you begin to see a way in the wind then you let us know.

Ranchhoddas:
Symbolic? Is that how you see it? You just accused their Prophet of idolatory. Do you know that people have lost their heads for less? My point is that you should not complain when you get the same treatment. Jesus hates hypocrisy.

Are my accusations unfounded? So you are scared of losing ur head? Well I aint. If speaking the truth would result in a head loss then so be it.

You should just go and figure yourself out and not swim in islamic issues or are you an Islamic Atheist?

Ranchhoddas:
You have just compared the holiest site in Islam to a can of coca-cola. When atheists do the same to Christianity you'll scream blue murder. Remove the speck in your eye first...

Was there a movie like the gods must be crazy or not? Did a coca cola incident happen there on not? Was it Alien to the natives hence their reaction? Yes.

Was the meteorite an Alien rock? Yes
So if those natives could act that way in the movie over something they had not seen before why wouldnt muhammad?

My comparison was not derogatory but symbolic. Your comment confirms my suspicions about you.

Weah96:
I said their balls were made of paper, I didn't say they were bright people. The handful of Christians who get decapitated for their religion are equally as foo.lish as the ones who decapitate others on behalf of theirs.

Notice how you've managed to shift the conversation away from the impotence of your fake Jewish deity to personal attacks.
Servant of a fake jewish designer. Better go and find out the species of mushrooms that they smoked in ancient village Israel.
Bet the lives of your family that the bible writers were not on hallucinogenic drugs?

So says the wimpy kid who is afraid of mummy and daddy.

With your clear eyes you cannot even face your mummy to tell her you are an Arheist and you talk about hallucinogenic drugs for others. If you need dutch courage just say so afterall its what a lot of youths like yourself do these days.

Veey soon now you will also open a thread on how your parents maltreat you hence why you cannot tell them you are an Atheist. Wimpy weah96 or WW96 is my new pet name for ya buddy.

crusadistic:
Are you blind? The geologists just proved the Islamic account of it being a meteorite correct.
Also; "the black stone remains a stone...no Muslim
bows to it or think it has any power to cause harm or good or to
intercede/mediate on their behalf,or to honour someone with
it..which are all the essence of idolatry,something which is the
norm in xtianity."

Lmao..guy go and sit down somewhere. If I carry an egg on my head and you were asked to bow to me as a person dont you know you are inadvertently also bowing to the egg on my head since the egg is part of me?

Besides if the meteorite was not so important why is it cemented into the kaaba? Cemented ooo not placed on the floor. Someone consciously cemented it in for a purpose.

Let me tell you. You need to read up on that meteorite instead of this your yarn.

Islam ala black stone ala bow ala kaaba. Google is your friend.

Weah96:
Christians have got paper balls. That's why you disobey your fake god on a daily basis.

Christians have got paper balls yet they get beheaded for being Christian and refusing to denounce Christ and you who has got iron balls are afraid of mummy and daddy and cannot even tell them to their face that you are Atheist.

Lmao see Mr Macho and Mr Lion heart. Wimpy weah96. You don't have to be ashamed for being a coward and a wimp...there are lots of Chicken hearted folks out there .....you are just one out of many.

raphieMontella:
y nt go to isis prominent states and preach the bible since u re a proud christian...
Dundi...think before commentin rubbish

There are already Christians in isis dominated states and they would rather die than denounce Christ....read the news..... Christians have got balls and are bold.

For you in particular lets start with something very simple shall we? Paste your real face of you have got balls.

You all hide behind a faceless forum to talk trash. Kingkong wannabes yet you all are afraid to let even your family know you for who you are.

Ranchhoddas:
All of a sudden God no longer retains our feelings. I don't understand why you are now trying to make it seem as if jealousy from God's point of view is different from human jealousy. Remember when the Isrealites made a calf and danced round it after God delivered them from Egypt, God got angry/jealous and had the idolaters killed. How is this different from a man who hurts his girlfriend because he saw her with another man. Tell me how the element of jealousy is not the same in this two scenarios.

Sometimes I wonder why some of you even ask questions when you do not want to learn in the first place.

I already told you that Gods Anger is justifiable yet merciful.

In the old testament God had certain rules he gave the children of Israel and already told them the penalty for breaking such rules ao what happened to them was a consequence of breaking the laid down rules and not necessarily because God was angry but like i said an action can be described using a word but does not mean the word describes the one involved.

Now in the new testament God through Christ has now also laid down a fresh and new set of rules and this rule speaks aboit mercy, grace and love which is why God is now defined as a God of love because now is where we are.

I want to believe you are not a Christian in Transition. You are probably just saying that to keep this convo flowing. You have already transitioned and wish to win a debate is what you are doing. Your mind and mine are at variance so this discussion ends now.

If my explanation cannot convince you then your mind is already set on your new path.

hopeful1andlord:
Okay, I have nothing to offer, agreed

Face the catch 22 at hand

I already tackled the purported catch 22 so done and dusted but you had to conveniently butt in.

So you agree and accept you have absolutely zero to offer.

Tellemall:
Where do you even get people's names from? Why are you mentioning me, Hahn? Why do you habitually copy names from who knows where paste in the form of a cc when I don't even interact with you in that way?

Lmao.....its called copy and paste frenzy. All in an attempt to be relevant. Kikikikikiki. Hahn your attention is needed o.