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jonbellion:
Akinton you should really take a chill pill yo
I'm on your side but you can make your points at least less.....errrrr
Vile

He obviously needs to start practicing prayer so he can enjoy Benefit number 8 and 9 as science has discovered Prayer offers which is on my prayer benefits list.

akintom:
You're moniker betrays you.

Damogul - "demonstration of goofing"

You certainly stray here, otherwise, you would have been familiar with how, the sum total of your religious experience, is a filthy delusion.

damogul aka The mogul and i am sure you know what mogul means or you need a dictionary?

plaetton:
You are the one who is reading without comprehending.

We don't need scientists to tell us the tangible benefits of prayer. The people who pray have already told us so, but in the same manner that smokers claim tangible benefits or that sex and gambling addicts claim tangible benefits.
Therefore, there is nothing new there.

And I also reminded you, which you obviously missed, that placebos, whether substances or mental constructs , have the same temporary illusionary effects on subjects.

And I also repeat to you that from personal experience, the people that I see pray the most or engage in religious rituals the most, always seem the most detached, unhappy, unfulfilled. And that religious zeal, whose main symptom is frequent prayers, are very often a mask for deeper psychological issues.
I guess you missed that part too ?

Are you deliberately confusing yourself or you are naturally this slow? At the bolded....Even you have admitted to being in error when comparing prayer with tangible things like Opiods and other stuff yet you bring it up again here just so you can keep a failing argument going with proud ignorance?

I am done with you. Such level of dishonest ignorance! Gosh.

As a parting shot, you would do yourself good by reading the links i provided and stop driving this your empty tank argument.

Enjoy your day

plaetton:
Placebos, all placebos, whether substance or mental , have the same effects.

I used to talk to myself a lot, often to help me deal with difficult issues.
Also, At times when I am in trouble or under threat, I still feel that my dead ancestors protect and guide me.

So, it's quite natural to create imaginary beings outside of reality to help us COPE.

And COPE is the operative word here. It connotes powerlessness.

But knowledge is BETTER.

With the right knowledge, one doesn't have to conjure imaginary beings to be able to COPE.

With knowledge, there is little that a rational person cannot confront.

Therefore, I agree that prayer is indeed a coping mechanism. But so are also alcohol, opioids, obsessive compulsive behaviors, racism and bigotry, etc etc.

It's easy for people who pray to tell themselves that they are happier.
I beg to disagree.
Prayer itself is a petition, an Oliver Twist syndrome( asking for more than you're given). It is a sign of dissatisfaction for a universe that doesn't give a rat's bottom about personal needs.
Prayer is a way of telling god that the universe is not good enough and should be made better, if only for me.

So, one who repeats this petition to a deaf universe several times everyday is unsatisfied with the status quo , and would inevitably grow despondent.

From personal experience, I have never, and I mean it, seen a happy, self-fulfilled prayer addict.

On the other hand, the frequency , pitch and volume of prayers are often pointers to deeper psychological problems and in most cases benign mental illnesses.

You guys will not read for sake of knowledge but will only do so for sake of attacking Christianity hence miss out on proper knowledge.

I gave you expo by posting a portion from one of the websites but the obvious on what i posted was missed by you. Let me post the particular spot for you again,

Our species has probably been praying for as long as we have been able to contemplate our existence. And though we may never be able to establish evidence that a deity or spiritual force actually hears our prayers, in recent years, scientists have begun to consider the potential tangible (i.e., measurable) effects of prayer. And this research suggests that prayer may be very beneficial.

Yet you typed all that crap up there just so you can save face. I asked you a simple question. If science endorses prayer is science also wrong?

I have said repeatedly that science supports religion but you guys keep on trying to shoot it down thereby making yourselves look and sound ridiculous. I suggest you read some more and this time pay attention to the details especially since you missed the first expo i gave you.

http://www.newsmax.com/Health/Headline/prayer-health-faith-medicine/2015/03/31/id/635623/

http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2014/09/18/new-study-examines-the-effects-of-prayer-on-mental-health/

http://undergroundhealthreporter.com/effects-of-prayer-can-lead-to-healing/

The level of ignorance you guys exhibit here on NL is appalling and all in a bid to shoot down religious practices you fabricate all sorts even when your very beloved science says you are wrong you would never admit to your error.

Well read up the links provided and be honorable enough to accept you are wrong.

plaetton:
Lol.

Actually the fact that faith is not a substance, but affects people in similar and more profound negative ways is the reason why it is much more pernicious than alcohol, opioids and other substances.

So now you have taken back your words when you compared prayer with actual substances. When you want to goof up do so with some pride. I have highlighted your ignorance free of charge in your comment. Now read up and take correction.

According to a 2013 Pew Research Poll, over half of Americans pray every day. A 2012 poll found that over 75 percent of Americans believe that prayer is an important part of daily life. Other polls indicate that even some atheists and religiously unaffiliated individuals admit that they sometimes pray.

Our species has probably been praying for as long as we have been able to contemplate our existence. And though we may never be able to establish evidence that a deity or spiritual force actually hears our prayers, in recent years, scientists have begun to consider the potential tangible (i.e., measurable) effects of prayer. And this research suggests that prayer may be very beneficial.

So here are five scientifically-supported benefits of prayer:

1. Prayer improves self-control

2. Prayer makes you nicer

4. Prayer increases trust

5. Prayer offsets the negative health effects of stress

6. Makes you stress free:

7. Reduces your chances of suffering from depression and anxiety

8. Helps you deal with emotional onslaught

9. Makes you happier

10. Speeds up post-surgical recovery

11. Keeps diseases at bay

12. Is good for your heart

13. Helps you live longer

Read the rest here

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/more-mortal/201406/5-scientifically-supported-benefits-prayer

and here

http://www.thehealthsite.com/diseases-conditions/10-ways-praying-actually-benefits-your-health-p114/

and here

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-schiffman/why-people-who-pray-are-heathier_b_1197313.html

and here

http://www.healthfitnessrevolution.com/top-10-health-benefits-praying/

As you can see those are not Christian sites so no way you can say i am cherry picking.

Number 9 there is the reason someone like the OP is very bitter with everything and everyone around him. His diagnosis is simply that he does not engage in prayer.

You plaetton should try it some time especially since your much beloved science endorses it. Or is Science also wrong?

cc Grizzlybear, hopefullandlord

akintom:
LMAO....... you're simply ridiculous!

Your self inflicted illiteracy is boundless.

Have you heard the word "indoctrination" before?

It works like physical opium.

I can even risk saying that, it works more accurately than robot being controlled electronically.

smh is undeserved by you as even that is a waste of a perfectly good smh.

Have you ever heard about "experiences"?

If you think actual experiences are indoctrination then honestly your literacy should be brought to question.

You think Christianity is about indoctrination? No wonder you are deluded.

Christianity is a life of experiences. We see and then we do, we read and then we do. we hear and then we do. Faith without works is dead.

I thought that was clearly in naijadeyhias very first response to you but even your alleged "super" literate mind couldnt grasp a simple statement and here you are shooting yourself in the foot with a word like indoctrination.

You shame the Atheist community. I can see the bar has been lowered to accomodate every "Akin" TOM, DICK and IlLITERATE.

otemanuduno:
So now you're supporting an atheist because you want to proof that I lie. I'll ask the doctor if he would need to speak with people or not before giving out his phone number.
Now I have answered you, and it's your turn to say whether you are Naijadeyhia and 4evergod or not.

Are you Naijadeyhia and 4evergod? Yes OR no

You claimed the doctor read your post and contacted you. How? Do your posts come attached with your number? He obviously sent you a PM which means he is a nairalander. Release his moniker to Seun and Seun would do the rest or better yet drop his moniker here for all to see. His number is not required afterall Seun did not even ask for his number.

I am on the side of truth be you atheist or whatever. A million lies can never cover 1 truth.

Release his moniker if you are not lying. You think lying would make you acceptable? Its a vice and it makes one ugly and right now you are beyond ugly.

Show us this imaginary doctors moniker and let us do the rest.

otemanuduno:
Feed yourselves with lied and believe your own lies okay?

Seun:
Yeah I noticed the source after typing that. He's always going on an on about Yahweh being Satan.

@otemanuduno, can the doctor in question come here and share his stories with us? Can he send me some docs to prove that he's a doctor?

Thats Seuns Quote and Question directed at you. Since your story isnt a lie then answer him with what he requires. When stories have no proof they are simply lying stories. Prove me wrong that you are not a liar.

KingEbukasBlog:


A false story , just see how far these atheists are willing to go in order to disprove God

That clown is no Atheist. He is into esoterism and new age nonsense and steals all he writes from ancient Sumerian Texts which Zecharia Sitchin translated.

Seun:
Yeah I noticed the source after typing that. He's always going on an on about Yahweh being Satan.

@otemanuduno, can the doctor in question come here and share his stories with us? Can he send me some docs to prove that he's a doctor?

Good approach. Lying should be discouraged as much as possible on Nairaland. Authenticity breeds acceptance.

prettmum:
yes @Amhappy, all protocols failed,

I have nobody to talk, my friends made jist of me that I'm barren or maybe I am married to a sprit husband until they mocked me to my face, I cried to God, even when the woman of God prophesy that if she is worshiping the true ONE AND ONLY MIGHTY GOD that i wont see my menstrual flow not up Twoweeks my period came, I cried and I said God is like this woman is not working for you but if she is truly working for you that I won't see my mp again lo and behold HE ANSWERED ME WITH A STRESS FREE PREGNANCY .....

cc otemanuduno come and rejoice and see the glory of the one true God the wiper of tears!

Seun:
Wow, I always suspected that things like this could be happening, but I never imagined that it could be this bad. People need to know about it.

Heresay without proof seun. You are a forum. learn to filter information first regardless of your leaning.

prettmum:
my fellow Nairalanders my husband have acres of land for lease.
Location: Abia state..
if you are interested let me know to hook you up with my Husband.

Hello Madam Is the farmland personal property? what part of Abia and whats the price? I am from Abia state but resident in Lagos

prettmum:
YES YES YES PRETTMUM IS HEAVILY PREGNANT AND THERE IS NOTHING TOO HARD FOR GOD TO DO.... NOTHING IS TOO FISHY

Chineke Nna nara ekele nke ukwu. Heavenly father receive the greatest praise. Prettmum Enjoy jare let all the bad belle people also come and rejoice with you for the Bible declares that God is able to do exceedingly and abundantly above all we may ask or think.

Nne you must invite me to come and chop rice o biko.

cc otemanuduno the bad belle people

bennyann:
The only source of evidence to prove some people wrong has also been destroyed.

The pastors who do this detestable things, the doctors who tagged along with them and the ones who also frame up a story to destroy evidence -.. ...

Well God says, HE will build His church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Even if all evidences are burnt down, even when lies are told, even when the churches are being mocked at, even when it seems the enemy is winning - The Lord will arise and build His church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it.

God wins always.

Very true!

dboss444:
Young man also remember that the body of Jesus was pierced by the side nd Jesus bone was not broken. So if u say Jesus pretended to be dead. What about the piercing? But I like ur writings though. Nephilium nd anunaki are deep knowledge hope ur not reading Zechariah sitchen work nd now fabricating epistles for us. If not that means ur god is scientific

He actually did steal from Zachariah Sitchen and modified it so it would appear original. The guy is a fraud!

This is a review about him as far back as 2011 and your Reverad nonsense began last year. Does any name appear familiar?

https://chaukeedaar./2011/08/15/zecharia-sitchin-inventing-the-nibiru-and-annunaki-lie-on-behalf-of-the-illuminati/

otemanuduno:
See this liar! Obviously the spirit of lie is living in you to have said this. May I not live to see tomorrow if I ever have a prior knowledge of any Zecharia Sitchin. Can you do the same thing I did if you are sure that I actually know any Zecharia Sitchin??

Liar like satan(yahweh) his father.

i obviously hit the nail on its head hence your outburst. Taking oaths mean nothing for you because you are already lost and an attachment to the devil.

You know you stole all your writings from Zecharia Sitchin and you know why? He says exactly all you have been spewing and he is long dead and forgotten. So obviously your Reverad lied when you say you are its only prophet. However Zecharia Sitchin's angle was not for humanity to use their brains and follow science. His own attempt was to discredit the bible and Yahweh.

So i also guess Reverad lied again when you said its aim is for us to use our brains and focus on only science. So who is telling the truth? You or Zecharia Sitchin?

Wilgrea7:
some people actually believe... his work is something like pseudography. it may have some points like the main story.. may be written in the same manner... but when subjected to tests, it loses its base

He stole his writings from Zecharia Sitchin and then adulterated them so it can appear original thats why it has no base.

Wilgrea7:
otem.. otem.. my dear brother otem

so what does this have to do with God?? i mean... we all know there are fake and real pastors... so why the hasty generalization?

Do you actually believe that nonsense he wrote? Someone who eats lies for breakfast lunch and dinner isnt worth taking seriously.

bennyann:
Please forgive me but must you go that far? Even without evidence he paid people to tell lies?

That ote guy is so full of Lies. He has a knack for trying to run down anyone who has ever stepped on his toes in the past and he enjoys using lies to achieve this. I think he hates 4everGod because he truthfully revealed how he bedwetted till he was 30yrs old. He has never forgiven the guy since then.

otemanuduno:
So you will have to be the lie to give me the deadline? Funny guy. Lemme give myself the deadline o jare while I sip my water
WHEN LIARS JAM TRUTH, LIARS BEND.
LYING SOMEBODY. 419 OF THE HIGHEST DEGREE.

How can anyone who is sane and in his right mind think and talk the way you do? I have watched you on NL say all manner of crappy things to run down any and every opposition that rises against you. Spreading lies about them all in an atrempt to dent their integrity.

Saying someone is a 419 or a swindler without proof backing it up with is tantamount to lies and defamation. I even asked you if you knew him offline and you could not answer something as simple as that instead you want to use reverse psychology to ask me if i have his phone number. Should u not have it if you knew him offline?

Have you met him before? YES OR NO

Do you know the location of the church business he runs offline? YES OR NO if yes drop the address

Has any nairalander reported him to you or Seun or any mod for 419 acts or swindling? If yes where is the proof?

Like i said 1hr is what you have

otemanuduno:
Yes he is and he knows that I know that he is. And I know that you also know that he is. And he knows that you know that I know that he is

You have 1hour to produce proof backing up your accusations. Some of you seem to think that because Nairaland is a facelesss forum you can open your mouths and throw false accusations everywhere especially something as serious as accusing someone of 419 and swindling fellow nairalanders.

Where is the nairalander who has ever accused naijadeyhia of fraud or being swindled or even being paid for anything. Can you produce any? If you cannot why say it in the first place?

Lying out of desperation to run God down while using naijadeyhia as your target is that what your God taught you? That thing you declare in your doctofus is that what he told you to propagate? Lies?

1hour is what you have.

cc seun, mynd44, lalasticlala

otemanuduno:
You haven't answered my question. Do you know Naijadeyhia offline or not? Now tell me, do you have Naijadeyhia's phone number or not?

Shut your mouth and answer the question since you initiated the accusation. Why ask me questions? if you have any proof drop them here if you do not then you will get booted for breaking rule 8 simple

otemanuduno:
Are you speaking on behalf of Naijadeyhia? Now answer this question before I respond you, do you know Naijadeyhia offline or you don't?

Do you know him offline? You are the one making the accusation so should answer the questions thrown at you. Do you know him offline?

otemanuduno:
Naijadeyhia runs a church business outside nairaland. He pays people to spread lies on Nairaland so that unsuspecting people can contact him offline and they he'll swindle them also.

Look at this oaf spreading falsehood, Produce the nairalanders whom have contacted him offline and he swindled. If you cannot i will personally ask seun to ban you for life for spreading false information which is in accordance with rule 8 on nairaland.

Why are you so maliciously mischievous? Is this the kind of life you live? Lying just to discredit another? Where is your proof for this stupid accusation?

Do you not know what defamation means or are so dense to use common sense whenever you are mouthing off?

cc seun mynd44 pls note this

AnonyNymous:
Brick wall? Lmao. You're the one that hit a brick wall by running to your typical 'only Christians will understand' argument when you have nothing left to say. You didn't even understand the post you quoted just now lmao. Anyway bye, I hope to see you shitting all over some atheist thread later so till we meet!

when you are in way over your head learn to back out gracefully. Learn from Seun...when he was caught out he beat a tactical retreat otherwise he would have exposed his post as being built on lying assumptions which already the post has been shown to be what i said. You on the other hand just want to keep on talking even when you have lost the argument. You can evasively run away now but dont let the door hit you on your way out.

AnonyNymous:
Ohhh ok, we have common sense and then we have logic that is exclusive to Christian brains. I see. I'm done here

yep! common sense, logic and faith are all exclusive to Christians so run along since you know you have hit a brick wall as usual.

[quote author=AnonyNymous post=48149173]

First of all, by absolute, I meant unchangeable. Unchangeable because your god is supposedly the embodiment of perfection. So if you're saying they're not absolute, you're saying that he's not perfect.

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whether you use absolute or perfect or unchanging we are saying the same thing. Gods laws are unchanging or perfect as they are not even applicable to the living who are yet in the flesh as long as they have room for repentance and it is the day of Judgement yet.... The laws of death are applicable for those who remained disobedient unto death afterall its not their flesh that would be judged.

Second, we have plenty of barbaric judgements in the bible. In fact, do you know your Bible condemns eating crabs, shrimp, snail, oysters, etc? If you've ever tasted any of those you are a hypocrite. I'm sure the drunkard who made those rules at the time could not find a way to prepare delicious lobster so instead of experimenting with different seasoning and spices, he just said 'god said we shouldn't eat it'.

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That has nothing to do with this discussion and also has nothing to do with Present day Christianity as when those laws where given they were in the old testament era and this new testament forbids no kind of food as we are to take and eat all with thanks unto God. The old testament was an attempt to get to God through outward acts of righteousness while the new testament is from the inside out so its no longer what goes into a man that defiles him but what comes out of a man. Mathew 15:11 and Mark 7:15

You said Seun and co have no way of seeing in our minds, which is true. However Yahweh does. What I don't get is how you will say Yahweh has made the future already, that future is perfect, and then he wants to change it. Christian logic baffles me all the time. Once again, rules are only made when the future is uncertain

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as long as you want to keep standing outside the house to try and reason what might be going on in the house then you will keep being baffled. the ways of the Spirit are not the ways of the flesh.

So to your question. If the rules are faulty then the judgement will automatically be faulty. Therefore I am in no way obliged to follow those rules if they do not protect the interest of my (and my fellow humans) rights. A god that can ask people to destroy someone else's city and take their wives is protecting the interest of the attackers, but not the attacked.

By what standards did you rate the rules as faulty? From an omniscient perspective or from a limited human view?

AnonyNymous:
I was busy at work. Now to your question.
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First off, the rules on nairaland are not absolute. Why were the rules made? So that nairaland would be a good, productive forum. All the rules there restrict people that want to derail the forum. However, any complaint about the rules can be emailed to Seun or the rest of the mods and they will review and update if necessary. So just like the rules in any government, nairaland's rules are not absolute, and they evolve with time, depending on what we perceive as appropriate.
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Now, those rules were by Peter, who was supposedly possessed by a branch of Yahweh at the time. I want you to note that Yahweh's rules cannot be changed in any way, because he is supposedly perfect. So shame on all you Christians that have a single poor person in your church. You're supposed to give everything you have to the church to distribute . I'm pretty sure your common sense will not allow you to do that. And that is the same common sense Ananias and his wife applied. They just wanted to take care of themselves. And they got killed for it. In fact, the fact that your god even sets rules is ridiculous, because no matter what rules are there, he supposedly sees the future and knows what everyone is going to do. If he sees that I'm going to eat rice this afternoon, and he can never be wrong, and then he now says 'Thou shall not eat rice', you're only confirming that this earth is nothing but an amusement park to him where we have no free will, and therefore nobody should be blamed for their crimes because everything everybody does is predetermined. RULES ARE ONLY SET WHEN THE OUTCOME IS UNCERTAIN. Nobody knows if a future criminal will kill or not so we set rules to tell people not to kill.
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I can choose to eat rice or beans this afternoon and no predetermined statement by some Yahweh somewhere can tell me what I will eat.

Neither are Gods rules and Judgements absolute as they are only applicable to those who reject his escape route or who refuse to ask for mercy and forgiveness. in the Bible God gave rules not to act as a deterent alone but to also show that man cannot be as perfect as God is via keeping those rules because keeping them is impossible which brings us back to Jesus again.

Even if God knows your future actions does not mean he can interfere by Himself without letting you know about that future occurrence and hoping you would have a desire within you to want to avert it and if you do wish to avert it and it is beyond your control then you can ask Him to get involved. So Gods laws come with a forewarning and grace unlike Nairaland where you just type and the next thing you know you get banned without any forewarning.

Because Seun and co have no way of knowing the deep intents of your heart they just cut and slash via immediate bans but God who sees the end from the beginning does not because it could be that in another 5 yrs such a person would learn to love Him so he would never punish absolutely until when there is no more room for repentance which is the day of Judgement.

If there is a barbaric judgement such as {a man should kill and eat his neighbour if that neighbour sleeps with his daughter} such a barbaric law even though terrible is redundant and useless until the very law to which it applies is committed. so who do you blame?

Again i ask you is it the Judgement that is faulty or the one who woke up the Judgement by committing the crime that Judgement applies to?