Satellite TV Technology › Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by dapsyra(m): 4:24pm On Oct 27, 2024 |
casualobserver: This is academic. Maybe I am an academician  , you never can tell. Anyway, thanks for the complement. Being able to have an academic perspective is a plus. Please be mindful that the whole Lithium battery innovation remained as academic papers for many years before finally making it into commercial production. That said, I cannot find what is so academic about my post. casualobserver: The point is why take it to 3.65 for an extra 0.5%? The crux of this current discussion is about the effect of charging to 3.65v on cell aging and that is what my post addressed squarely. It is not about capacity gain. It is common knowledge that between 3.55v and 3.65v, an LFP cell have very little capacity therein. I stated that charging to 3.65v/cell will not age the cells prematurely if done to manufacturer's specifications. You agreed with me when you wrote: casualobserver: Secondly, whether you go to 3.65 or 3.4, lifepo4 will eventually lose capacity due to calendar aging than whether you take it to 3.65 or not. I said it is best to charge to 3.525v. You also agreed by saying: casualobserver: There is a reason why if you want to make a Pylontech warranty claim they need to see your charging history. Pylontech charges to 3.55v and cuts off at 3.04v. The Pylontec recommended 3.55v is even higher that what I recommended. casualobserver: They could just as easily said charge to 3.65v and cut off at 2.5v….but they didn’t……..toh! I gave the reason in my post. casualobserver: Plus you are also making an assumption (which isn’t always correct) that your charge controller or inverter is reading your battery voltage correctly. Get yourself a decent inverter if your inverter is not reading battery voltage correctly. Undersized battery cables or improperly torqued contacts can also be the culprits. |
Satellite TV Technology › Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by dapsyra(m): 2:02pm On Oct 27, 2024 |
Charging LFP cell to 3.65v regularly will not degrade the cell prematurely as long as you adhere to the manufacturer's specified conditions. In the Eve 280Ah cell datasheet @Dam5reey1 posted, please see section 4.2 for proper charging conditions. It was stated therein that charge at 0.5C(A) to 3.65v and cutoff at 0.05C. This is the recommended upper limit. Cutoff at 0.05C (5% of Capacity) for a 280Ah cell implies that you must stop charging when charging current tapers to 14A (0.05 x 280). This is where the issue lies. Many users simply don't adhere to this condition. They keep charging until cell current hits 0A at 3.65v, thereby overcharging the cell. This is the cause of the premature aging. Pack builders and integrators specifies lower charging voltage to avoid this issue, knowing fully well that most end-users are incapable of complying. Most inverters / SCCs don't even have provision for tail current cutoff setting but premium SCCs have it. To be on the safe side, it is better to charge below 3.65v/cell since you cannot enforce the 0.05C cutoff rule. LFP cells are not to be floated but if you are constrained to float them, then float at 3.4v/cell or lower. In my LFP systems, I set bulk charge to 3.525v/cell (to allow room for BMS to balance the cells) and set float to 3.4v/cell. 3.525v/cell might be too high if you have mismatched cells and/or passive balancing, as one or more cells might runaway, thereby triggering BMS overvoltage protection. Dam5reey1: Never be charged to 3.65.. LMAO.. who is teaching you all these, US community who are not major battery maker?
According to All LFP manufacturers, they say test at 1C from 3.65 to 2.5V..
Attached is EVE.. so quoting community or video for charging parameters is irrelevant...
Start testing things yourself. |
Satellite TV Technology › Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by dapsyra(m): 1:09pm On Oct 23, 2024 |
Facts are sacred. Ignorance is bliss. Peace unto all men. HeavenlyBang: Temperature well below 25°C in Nigeria during the sunny time of the year, where? My panels generally sit around 40°C, for example. Yes, even after rains.
The average solar setup in this country is probably never going to make higher than 90-95% of rated output at any time in its lifespan. And if a charge controller or inverter displays a reading of over 100%, odds are, well, the reading is wrong. |
Satellite TV Technology › Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by dapsyra(m): 10:53am On Oct 23, 2024 |
There is no science in your assertion. Never say never. Most solar panels are rated at 25deg. temperature and 1000W/m 2 insolation. This implies that when those conditions are met, the panel will produce 100% of the rated power. When conditions are exceeded, the panel will produce above 100% of rated power. Similarly, when conditions are suboptimal, the panel will produce below rated value. For every degree above 25, the solar panel will derate by a factor called Temp Coefficient. Conversely, the panel will over produce for every degree below 25 by same factor. During raining season, especially immediate after the rain, conditions might align favourably. Temp is well below 25deg, the sky is blue because rain have cleared the clouds, so insolation is above 1000W/m 2, panels have been washed clean by rain and panels are optimally aligned. Under these conditions, any reputable panel will produce well above its rated power. I have seen 625w panels producing over 750w under favourable conditions. This is not a case of dodgy SCC over stating production. Measurements were recorded by Midnite Classic 150 SCC -one of the best SCC ever made. ask4bk: Scientifically, it is IMPOSSIBLE for solar to produce 100% of rated power due to power loss via heat, distance and other factors. Not ever possible. That you are claiming over 100% power generation shows something is wrong or fishy in your marketing. Either that or your (never seen) solar charger is giving false figures (many weak brands make their device to do that). |
Satellite TV Technology › Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by dapsyra(m): 7:06pm On Sep 11, 2024 |
Where do you repair your Inverters in Abuja? Can someone please recommend a reliable repairer in Abuja. |
Satellite TV Technology › Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by dapsyra(m): 5:42pm On Jun 13, 2023 |
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Satellite TV Technology › Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by dapsyra(m): 5:12pm On Sep 25, 2022 |
Try Bang & Olufsen ceaser: Talking about boomboxes, this reminds me of my dear Bose Soundlink BT speaker. I have tried to find an equal to it and believe me I haven't been able to find a suitable replacement after spending fortunes on two popular names - Anker and well, Sony dissapointedly.
The Bose was highjacked by my little sister who I can't say no to. |
Satellite TV Technology › Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by dapsyra(m): 12:35pm On Jun 28, 2022 |
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Satellite TV Technology › Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by dapsyra(m): 2:52pm On Jun 26, 2022 |
omimisolar: how do buyer test it that it’s working fine One month warranty. If not satisfied, return for full refund. |
Satellite TV Technology › Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by dapsyra(m): 11:59pm On Jun 23, 2022 |
dapsyra: Gennex Axperts MKS 5KVA/48vDC Hybrid Inverter for sale.
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Satellite TV Technology › Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by dapsyra(m): 8:32pm On Jun 14, 2022 |
Gennex Axperts MKS 5KVA/48vDC Hybrid Inverter for sale.
Specs: See nameplate screen shot below Condition: Clean, Used, fully functional Reason for sale: Upgrade Location: Abuja. Can waybill to anywhere in 9JA Price: ₦210,000 Contact: 0-eight-0-55-three-5-six-495
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Satellite TV Technology › Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by dapsyra(m): 7:03pm On May 26, 2022 |
Used or new? IYGEAL: Still up for grabs |
Satellite TV Technology › Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by dapsyra(m): 2:57pm On Mar 05, 2022 |
I don't know any source for 60v version. Moneyboyz: Oh my god that's so cool, it's just what I wanted. I wish it's 60v cause it's for an electric motor, this will reduce the speed of I decide to go for it. 48v 20ah would be almost the same as a 60v 12ah at the end of the day. I may be wrong.
Could you please recommend where I can get the 60v version I would compensate you. Also are you in Lagos Cause I may consider it. |
Satellite TV Technology › Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by dapsyra(m): 2:01pm On Mar 05, 2022 |
I've got something for you. Brand New in factory packaging 1kwh Sharp Stoba EA-BA1000 Lithium Battery, 48v nominal, 54.6v full, 20.6Ah ₦155kMoneyboyz: Hello, I have an electric bike that came with 60v 12ah (12v 12ah X5) SLA battery pack, I want to increase its range but I can't find suitable custom build anywhere online (jiji, olist, nairaland etc).
I need a 60v 25/30ah lithium or lifepo4 with built in BMS, does anyone sell here, I would prefer brand new or custom built with brand new batteries.
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Satellite TV Technology › Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by dapsyra(m): 1:05pm On Nov 15, 2021*. Modified: 10:44am On Nov 16, 2021 |
If a cell is rated 5K cycle, it implies that the cell should not have lower than 80% of rated capacity before the 5K cycles are completed. It can have residual capacity in the range 100-80% Below 80% capacity, a lithium battery is considered End of Life (EOL) but that does not make it bad or unusable. It is just no longer suitable for high demand applications. Such batteries however still have good value for money in home Solar storage especially when sold at scrap value with full disclosure. ojeysky: Discharge and charge makes a cycle. If a cell is rated 5k cycle, it means that the 100% capacity will be available through that cycle periods, after the 5kcycle the cell will have 80% capacity left and that can go for some more cycles. So if you are able to pull close to a call capacity then you know it's still in its first cycle life |
Satellite TV Technology › Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by dapsyra(m): 1:17pm On Oct 26, 2021 |
My house once took a direct hit. The Midnite SPD stood up to it and was completely destroyed but nothing was damaged in the house NiyiOmoIyunade: There are three key elements to picking a surge protection device
1) The advertised clamp voltage rating - the max voltage your protected devices will see in case of a hit
2) The advertised amount of fault current the device can safely arrest and divert
3) The actual ability of the device to deliver on the advertised promises - this is where the Midnite SPD excels - it does indeed deliver on the advertised promises - a lot of other devices are just marketing and no substance.
With surges and lightning hits, you typically only get one chance, your chosen SPD had better be able to deliver when called upon.
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Satellite TV Technology › Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by dapsyra(m): 6:16pm On Sep 17, 2021 |
Not for sale. I thought you want to make enquires about usability isangjohnson: @ Dapsyra. I'm still waiting for TDS Meter Price. |
Satellite TV Technology › Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by dapsyra(m): 5:09pm On Sep 10, 2021 |
I have it. isangjohnson: Anyone that has TDS Meter should let me know. |
Satellite TV Technology › Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by dapsyra(m): 6:42pm On Jul 02, 2021 |
SPIM08HP LITHIUM ION 3.7V 8AH CELLS FOR SALE @ N3,000/cellI have some leftover cells for sale. These cells are rather very powerful. They are rated at 25C discharge and 10C charge rates. If you are a DIY enthusiast and you want to play with Lithium batteries without breaking the bank, these cells are for you. CHECK OUT THE SPECS BELOW. Material Li-ion Typical capacity 8AH Nominal Voltage 3.7V Weight around 300g Dimensions of cell body: 9x138X190mm Dimensions of cell with tabs 9x138X210mm Internal Resistance ≤0.8mΩ Max Charge Rate 120A Recommend Continuous Discharge Rate 200A Pulse Discharge Rate(3 seconds) 400A Fully Charged voltage 4.2V Discharge cut off voltage 2.5V Working Charge Temp 0~50°C Working Discharge Temp –20°C~50°C Storage Temperature –20°C~50°C Applications Solar Storage, e-bikes, Power Walls, car audio, golf carts, forklifts, UPS, solar system, etc. Cycle life 2000 cycles to 80% with 100% DOD under normal temperature Advantages safety, environment-friendly, high discharge current, low capacity loss, super-long cycle life. There are a lot of videos on YouTube about them .... https://youtu.be/Gw9f68gN_s4
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Satellite TV Technology › Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by dapsyra(m): 12:09am On Jun 28, 2021 |
No, I don't mean that. Tesla model X and S car batteries are setup with 18650 cells and they do last. The key is to setup with legit cells. generationz: I see. I took that picture from Google, btw. Do you mean anything set up with those tiny cells even the good ones won't last? |
Satellite TV Technology › Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by dapsyra(m): 10:09pm On Jun 27, 2021 |
These are bogus Chinko cell. The capacity is highly overstated. Don't touch it even with the proverbial long spoon. generationz: Does anyone have this setup for a whole house set up? |
Satellite TV Technology › Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by dapsyra(m): 5:38pm On Jun 01, 2021 |
Barezzi: I've noticed that my West facing 4800W pv array consistently outperforms the South facing 5200W pv array. Installation inclination is a very vital determinant of efficiency in solar arrays. What is the pitch of the West and South facing roof? For installations in Nigeria, the optimal inclination is 5 - 14 degrees (from horizontal facing south) depending on location. Shading is another factor you have to look into. Is the South facing array shaded at any time? |
Satellite TV Technology › Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by dapsyra(m): 9:33pm On May 02, 2021 |
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Satellite TV Technology › Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by dapsyra(m): 3:05pm On Mar 28, 2021 |
Ojeysky, your CellDiff is not looking good. Did you top balance the cells before using them? ojeysky: My cells are just 6 months old and I do 60 to 80% DOD daily (occasionally 90%). The cells have not deviated from their performance the first time I bought them. Now 6 months is a very short time for the lifetime of the cells. I know folks here have used their littium chemistry for over 2 years, we've not heard of 5 years testimonials yet, cos it seem most of us started active use in the last 3 years. |
Satellite TV Technology › Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by dapsyra(m): 2:48pm On Mar 28, 2021 |
While the LifePo4 chemistry can accept a charge of 3.6v/cell without damaging the battery, there is very little energy stored above 3.45v - only about 1%. This is the reason why the cell voltage rises sharply after 3.45v even with very low charge current. NiyiOmoIyunade: On my Pylontechs I do 3.46v per cell. Pylontech is 15s so a total of about 52v.
I am aided in this by being able to see the individual cell voltages and ensure that they all get to nearly full.
The Felicity BMS is yet a blackbox to me so I played safe with 56.8v. I may consider pushing the voltage further down 3.47 x 16s for a total of 55.5v - this does seem really low compared to manufacturers recommend 57.6v - a full 2v delta!!! Makes you wonder if their design goal is to kill off their cells fairly early |
Satellite TV Technology › Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by dapsyra(m): 1:50pm On Mar 28, 2021 |
Thank you for the review. Due to the relatively flat charge/discharge curves of LiFePo4 chemistry, your test was within 95%-97% DOD. At 3v/cell, the LiFePo4 battery has only 2-3% of its rated energy left during discharge. At 3.45v/cell, the battery is 99% full when charging. To operate within 80% DOD, charge the battery to 3.4v/cell and discharge to 3.1v/cell at 1C rate or below. NiyiOmoIyunade: I have installed about 10 units of the so called 48v 200ah Felicity.
The technical literature actually rates the battery at 48v 7.5kwh so I dont know how how sellers managed to call it 48v 200Ah.
I also ran a discharge test at one customer location and I was able to pull out about 5kwh measured at the inverter AC out - this equates to about 5.5kwh of DC energy before the battery started to scream low battery.
If you take this point as 90% DoD then the battery is truly rated at 6kwh at 100% capacity and you can safely take out about 4.5kwh if the desire is to stay above 20% DoD for longevity - at the point point of screaming battery pack was at 49.4v or so so 3.08v per cell.
To help put all the numbers in perspective, I do not charge a Lithium battery to 100% full - our max voltage is 56.8 vs Felicity's recommended 57.6v
In summary the battery rated 48v 200ah or better yet 7.5kwh has about 4.5kwh of useable energy in it. So really a 48v 94ah battery for effective capacity. If you buy it with these facts in mind, you won't be dissappointed. If you run the battery at the discharge rates suitable for lead acid, you should have no trouble in the near term. You really must look into a LVD mechanism at around 50v so you don't overdrain the battery
For the savvy individuals, I do not believe that there is another 1kwh+ of useable energy hiding behind that extra 0.8v of charge - it would be great to interrogate the BMS of which Adrusa who has ripped one out of the battery case has refused to volunteer any details to help us know what BMS it is and crack it open. |
Satellite TV Technology › Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by dapsyra(m): 12:42pm On Feb 21, 2021 |
netotse: Hi Guys,
Does anyone know where I can find a 48VDC contactor in lagos? I'm look for a cheap way to maximize/prioritize my solar use and want to use a relay-contactor combo.
I will set an under voltage relay to close when battery voltage is, at say, 50V and supply the coils of the contactor which will then close and supply AC to charge the batteries through the inverter, so as long as voltage is above 50V, relay(and therefore contactor) should be open and you are using the panels to power your house. This should mean that you don't need to be manually switching of AC power supply to maximise solar.
The relay is easy to find but the 48 VDC coil contactor is what I have been looking for, does anyone here know how I can find one?
I'm also open to suggestions on easier ways to achieve this.
BR NiyiOmoIyunade: Please point me to the undervoltage relay you are using for this project?
Is it external/add on or already built into your equipment? You can use this device to trigger a relay at set voltage [url] https://www.banggood.com/XH-M602-Lithium-Battery-Charging-Control-Module-Overcharge-Protection-p-1279764.html?cur_warehouse=CN[/url The good thing about it is that the input/output is AC. So you can use AC coil relay instead of looking for expensive 48vdc coil relay. |
Satellite TV Technology › Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by dapsyra(m): 9:58am On Nov 27, 2020 |
Charging profiles differs across various Lithium chemistries. The chart is applicable to only LiFePO4 chemistry. ojeysky: Find attached chart for 12v, multiply the voltage by 2 to make 24v. The chart is also why charging lithium at high voltages is not necessary |
Satellite TV Technology › Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by dapsyra(m): 9:08am On Nov 11, 2020 |
Not really. Since the freezer, fridge and 1HP Inverter AC are 24/7 load, they were already on before others. I then added the two regular 1HP A/Cs successively before adding the water heaters. There was no audio alarm to indicate an overload. The inverter is capable of 11,000w surge for 10seconds earthrealm: Bet the overload alarm tripped with each succesive start up of the 1hp ac?...inverter ac? And you started with acs first, then freezer then water heater. Whats the make of your hybrid inverter.
Good you let it run for only 3mins, things may likely have gone south, if allowed to run longer.. |
Satellite TV Technology › Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by dapsyra(m): 8:57am On Nov 11, 2020 |
See nameplate below. I bought from Stanley on this platform Peterlove11: What's the name/specs of the inverter
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Satellite TV Technology › Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by dapsyra(m): 8:15pm On Nov 10, 2020 |
adrusa: Be careful in the future. Wify once destroyed an inverter by running it overcapacity. Instead of the thing shutting down, it kept working, the wires started getting hot and suddenly there were smokes everywhere. Thank God only the inverter got incinerated. @Bold Sure! It was a test that lasted about 5minutes only and the inverter temperature peaked at 53deg. C |
Satellite TV Technology › Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by dapsyra(m): 7:36pm On Nov 10, 2020 |
I pushed my 5.5KVA Hybrid Inverter to the limit to test it's ability to handle load. I ran three 1HP Aircon, two 1200w water heater, one big deep freezer and a 4-door refrigerator on it simultaneously. It handled like breeze. These hybrid inverters have really come of age.
I stopped at 5211VA, not because the inverter cannot handle more but I simply ran out of loads.
See the peak data on the attached image.
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