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Christianity EtcRe: Christian Idol by davidinchrist(op): 9:02pm On Jun 18, 2020
FuckTheWorld:
Christians will ALWAYS confuse and contradict themselves.



Even worshipping of Jesus (mere human that God created) is a sin and it is IDOLATRY.
Friend, maybe this is not for you too:


Matt.11.16 - "But to what shall I liken this generation? It is like children sitting in the marketplaces and calling to their companions,

Matt.11.17 - and saying: "We played the flute for you, And you did not dance; We mourned to you, And you did not lament.'

Goodbye.
Christianity EtcChristian Idol by davidinchrist(op): 8:35pm On Jun 18, 2020
There are certain good things, some of which are supposed be very good SERVANTS of Man, but sometimes become glorified and idolized by people, including Christians.

In the Old times, God warned people against the Idolatry of images, creatures, etc:

Exod.20.4 - "You SHALL NOT MAKE for yourself a carved image--any likeness of ANYTHING that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth;

God requires that we worship and serve him ONLY:

Matt.4.10 - Then Jesus said to him, "Away with you, Satan! For it is written, "You shall WORSHIP the LORD your God, and Him ONLY you shall SERVE."'

Therefore, IDOLATRY is the LOVE, worship and the SERVING of other things (living or nonliving things).

However, the most common forms of IDOLS or gods especially in Christendom today are not necessarily images and the likes. But things that are LOVED and cherished very much by people. So loved and cherished that God and His kingdom gets CROWDED OUT of people's hearts and minds.

Jesus himself said:
Matt.6.24 - "No one can SERVE TWO MASTERS; for either he will HATE the one and LOVE the other, or else he will be LOYAL to the one and DESPISE the other.

Some of these idols or gods worshipped and served by men, including good and prominent Religious people include:

1. Money/Material things - this is surely one of the greatest idols in the world of all time, which the devil, the god of this world uses to ENSLAVE people. The Bible refers to it as Mammon:

Matt. 6:24b
You CANNOT serve God and MAMMON.

2. People's opinions/approvals: This is yet another great idol, which is the worship of Human Beings and their opinions, honours/glory, praises, acceptance, admirations, flatteries and other POSITIVE reactions:

Gal.1.10 - Obviously, I'm NOT TRYING to be a "people pleaser"! NO, I am trying to PLEASE God. If I were still trying to please people, I WOULD NOT BE Christ's SERVANT.

John.5.41 - "Your approval or disapproval MEANS NOTHING to me,

3. Entertainment/Pleasures: These include Music (like Secular or Christian ROCK), Films (Christian films or not), SPORTS, ETC. These are tools the enemy uses to get people's minds away from God by making them BUSY DOING NOTHING in general:

2Tim.3.4 - They will betray their friends, be reckless, be puffed up with pride, and LOVE PLEASURE rather THAN God.

If we are serious, we would be seeking God's grace to ESCAPE the traps of this MODERN IDOLATRY in Common Churches, and in the World at large.

2Tim.3.1 - You should also KNOW THIS, Timothy, that in the LAST DAYS there will be very DIFFICULT TIMES.

2Tim.3.2 - For people will LOVE ONLY themselves and THEIR MONEY...
Vs 4...and LOVE PLEASURE rather THAN God.

1Cor.10.14 - Therefore, my beloved, FLEE from IDOLATRY.

May the Lord Jesus bless you.
Christianity EtcRe: Cool First Class Teachers by davidinchrist(op): 8:43pm On Jun 17, 2020
2 Timothy 4:3 KJV
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
Christianity EtcCool First Class Teachers by davidinchrist(op):
There are many excellent Religious Teachers with good appearances and eloquence, but wouldn't major on the reality of the Cross: the life of Jesus. Because they wouldn't want to OFFEND their people or followers, and LOSE their members thereby.

There is ONLY ONE WAY that leads to life, which is the NARROW WAY which Jesus and his apostles did preach. But when the Preacher's MIND is on Money and Popularity: to gather great Crowd and have a great name in the world, then COMPROMISE and LIES would be certain. He would definitely have to BOW the knee and hold hands with the devil to become GREAT by WATERING DOWN his message to sooth his hearers by mixing psychology with the gospel, and saying NICE things to stir their emotions and attention.

Jesus couldn't care less for people's Money, Opinions or appearing COOL and acceptable to them. And when MANY of his followers got offended with what he preached, he just LET THEM GO:

John 6:66 KJV
From that time MANY of his disciples WENT BACK, and walked NO MORE with him.

Then he faced his remaining TWELVE disciples:

John 6:67 KJV
Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also GO AWAY?

Although, those WORDS were really strong, but these were NOT willing to WALK AWAY:

John 6:68 KJV
Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to WHOM SHALL WE GO? thou hast the WORDS OF ETERNAL LIFE.

Yet, among the few was the devil:

John 6:70 KJV
Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you TWELVE, and one of you is a DEVIL? (Judas)

We must be sure to count the COST of Eternal life first to avoid just PLAYING Church and Religion, and living in a great Self/Church Deception.

Moreover, we shouldn't be teachers or preachers if we're not willing to TOTALLY COMMIT to the truth. It's better to forget Lord's work, and rather go and do some BUSINESS than fooling oneself and people. And especially TO AVOID GREATER judgement on oneself:

Jas.3.1 - My brethren, let NOT MANY of you BECOME teachers, knowing that we shall receive a STRICTER JUDGMENT.

Again we must be SURE to count the cost to enter God's kingdom:

Matthew 7:14-15 KJV
Because strait is the gate, and NARROW is the way, which leadeth unto life, and FEW there be that FIND IT.

[15] Beware of FALSE PROPHETS (or Preachers who Broaden it to become GREAT!), which come to you in SHEEP'S CLOTHING (it means they use CORRECT doctrines and others), but INWARDLY they are ravening WOLVES (to BITE your Money and Attention).

May the Lord Jesus bless you.
Christianity EtcRe: For The HEART, Not Just The HEAD by davidinchrist(op): 6:38pm On Jun 16, 2020
John 5:39-41 KJV
Search the scriptures; for in them YE THINK ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

[40] And ye will NOT COME to me, that ye might have life.

[41] I receive NOT honour from men.
Christianity EtcRe: Dead Sacrifice by davidinchrist(op): 6:34pm On Jun 16, 2020
Philippians 2:12 KJV
Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always OBEYED, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, WORK OUT your own salvation with fear and trembling.
Christianity EtcFor The HEART, Not Just The HEAD by davidinchrist(op): 9:57pm On Jun 15, 2020
The Words of God, commandments of Jesus are meant to be kept in our hearts, not just in the head:

Ps.119.11 - Your word I have HIDDEN IN MY HEART ("not just in the HEAD), That I might NOT SIN against You.

Bible knowledge and good understanding of scriptures in the head just puffs us up, making us think we're spiritual when we're not, and maybe terribly lost as well.

1Cor.8.1 - ... We know that we all have KNOWLEDGE. Knowledge PUFFS UP, but love edifies.

Those Words of Jesus were NOT primarily given for the purpose of preaching, teaching, or to be studied as a subject; but to be OBEYED by every true follower of Jesus:

John.14.15 - "If you love Me, KEEP My "commandments".

And these commandments of Jesus are recorded in the New testament, especially in the book of Matthew (see His First Sermon in chap. 5, 6, and 7), Mark, Luke and John.

Having good understanding of the Bible and Religious knowledge in the Head is of NO USE if we are not seeking to humble ourselves and OBEY them.

We should be real DOERS of the Word by God's grace, and NOT just being EMPTY speakers, readers and hearers of it.

Jas.1.22 - But be DOERS of the Word, and not hearers only, DECEIVING yourselves.

Matt.7.24 - "Therefore whoever HEARS these sayings of Mine, and DOES THEM, I will liken him to a WISE man who built his house on the ROCK:

Matt.7.25 - and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it DID NOT FALL, for it was FOUNDED ON THE ROCK.

Matt.7.26 - "But everyone who hears these sayings of Mine, and DOES NOT DO them, will be like a FOOLISH man who built his house on the SAND:

Let's remember that the devil, demons, False Prophets, and the wicked in general also know the Bible very well. But OUR OBEDIENCE by Faith should make the GREAT difference.

It's really great to Repent and Start OBEYING those Words in MATT. CHAP. 5, 6 AND 7.

May the Lord Jesus bless you.
Christianity EtcRe: Dead Sacrifice by davidinchrist(op): 5:54pm On Jun 15, 2020
Matthew 5:19 KJV
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them , the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Christianity EtcRe: Jesus Taught Cheerful Giving, NOT Tithing by davidinchrist(op): 11:11pm On Jun 14, 2020
Matthew 6:1 KJV
Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.
Christianity EtcDead Sacrifice by davidinchrist(op): 9:57pm On Jun 14, 2020
What the Lord requires of us FIRST is Obedience, not sacrifices or religious activities. All sacrifices or good activities that are not birthed out of pure obedience to Jesus is as dead as any DEAD thing.

We sometimes try to hide under the roofs of so many things like fasting and praying, vigils, tithing, preaching/evangelism, praise and worship, speaking in tongues, giving to the needy, not committing some OUTWARD SINS, attending church meetings, constant prayer of forgiveness, and so on.

Yes, some of that can be FANTASTIC, but it's got to be rooted in obedience FIRST:

1 Samuel 15:22 KJV
... Behold, to OBEY is BETTER than sacrifice, and to hearken THAN the FAT of rams. (like FAT Monies or Gifts)

John.14.15 - "If you LOVE Me, KEEP My commandments.

We must seek to get rid of those Religious excuses, shortcuts, sacrifices we try to use to BRIBE God instead of OBEYING his words as recorded in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

John 8:31-32 KJV
Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye CONTINUE IN MY WORD, then are ye my DISCIPLES INDEED;

[32] And ye shall KNOW the truth, and the TRUTH shall make you FREE.

May the Lord Jesus bless you.
Christianity EtcRe: Seeking Much Greater Signs by davidinchrist(op): 12:21pm On Jun 14, 2020
davidinchrist:
Galatians 2:20 KJV
I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
Christianity EtcRe: Jesus Taught Cheerful Giving, NOT Tithing by davidinchrist(op): 8:16am On Jun 14, 2020
davidinchrist:
First, I wouldn't like to be termed as part of some certain types of Religious/Church critics, because many of them DO NOT follow the truth themselves. It's a greater deception or hypocrisy to ignore the great LOG in our own eyes, and start bothering about the speck in another person.

It's true I no longer follow lots of "great" Christian Leaders and Church movements anymore, but yet, I HATE NOR ENVY NO ONE!

What I HATE is DECEPTION or Religious Lies. For instance, if a neighbour is SICK, I won't HATE him, but the SICKNESS in him.

And Church Deception is a Sickness (spiritually), because it dishonours or CONTRADICTS Jesus.

So, from what I've learnt, I'm only trying to share the CURE for this sickness to those who are WILLING to LISTEN.

Right, the topic above is quite controversial, and I'm sure many people, including Pastors and Elders of Churches won't be particularly happy with it. But we got obey and please Jesus NOT MEN. (Gal. 1:10)

The thing is, the New Covenant unlike the OLD, is NOT about the LAW, but obedience through LOVE in Christ. Here was what Jesus said about the great commandments:

Matt.22.37 - Jesus said to him, ""You shall LOVE the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.'

Matt.22.39 - And the second is like it: "You shall LOVE your neighbor as yourself.'

And then he concluded by saying:

Matt.22.40 - On these TWO commandments hang ALL the Law and the Prophets (means Old testament)."

In Matthew chap. 23 (vs 23), Jesus was talking HARSHLY to some HYPOCRITICAL old covenant people to TITHE: the Scribes and Pharisees, who wouldn't SUBMIT themselves to FOLLOW Jesus. Moreover, He was NEVER referring to his Disciples NOR EVEN the multitudes (prospective disciples) See Matt. Chap. 23:13-25

What Jesus and his Apostles did teach was CHEERFUL GIVING: NO MORE COMPULSORY GIVING/TITHING/Religious Activities/Etc:

2Cor.9.7 - So let each one GIVE as he PURPOSES in his heart, NOT GRUDGINGLY or of NECESSITY; for God loves a CHEERFUL GIVER.

Luke 6:38 KJV
GIVE, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down...

Matthew 5:42 KJV
GIVE to him that ask...

Whatever is not done in love is a Dead Work. 1 Cor. Chap. 13
The language of the law was "compulsion": 'Thou shalt', 'Thou shalt not'. While that of Jesus is, "When you fast, when you Give, if you...

John.14.15 - "If you LOVE Me, keep My commandments.

Are we still struggling with the LAWS/Rules of Moses/Pastors/Churches, OR we are walking in Obedience through the LOVE of Christ?

Rom.10.4 - For Christ is THE END of the Law for righteousness to EVERYONE WHO BELIEVES.

Therefore, even if we WANT to give 10% or 50% or 80% or 100% of our Money, Time, Energy, and others, It should all be done CHEERFULLY, not by FORCE. For God LOVES a cheerful giver.

FINALLY:
Matthew 11:6 KJV
And BLESSED is he, whosoever shall NOT be offended in me.

May the Lord Jesus bless you.
Christianity EtcJesus Taught Cheerful Giving, NOT Tithing by davidinchrist(op):
First, I wouldn't like to be termed as part of some certain types of Religious/Church critics, because many of them DO NOT follow the truth themselves. It's a greater deception or hypocrisy to ignore the great LOG in our own eyes, and start bothering about the speck in another person.

It's true I no longer follow lots of "great" Christian Leaders and Church movements anymore, but yet, I HATE NOR ENVY NO ONE!

What I HATE is DECEPTION or Religious Lies. For instance, if a neighbour is SICK, I won't HATE him, but the SICKNESS in him.

And Church Deception is a Sickness (spiritually), because it dishonours or CONTRADICTS Jesus.

So, from what I've learnt, I'm only trying to share the CURE for this sickness to those who are WILLING to LISTEN.

Right, the topic above is quite controversial, and I'm sure many people, including Pastors and Elders of Churches won't be particularly happy with it. But we got obey and please Jesus NOT MEN. (Gal. 1:10)

The thing is, the New Covenant unlike the OLD, is NOT about the LAW, but obedience through LOVE in Christ. Here was what Jesus said about the great commandments:

Matt.22.37 - Jesus said to him, ""You shall LOVE the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.'

Matt.22.39 - And the second is like it: "You shall LOVE your neighbor as yourself.'

And then he concluded by saying:

Matt.22.40 - On these TWO commandments hang ALL the Law and the Prophets (means Old testament)."

In Matthew chap. 23 (vs 23), Jesus was talking HARSHLY to some HYPOCRITICAL old covenant people to TITHE: the Scribes and Pharisees, who wouldn't SUBMIT themselves to FOLLOW Jesus. Moreover, He was NEVER referring to his Disciples NOR EVEN the multitudes (prospective disciples) See Matt. Chap. 23:13-25

What Jesus and his Apostles did teach was CHEERFUL GIVING: NO MORE COMPULSORY GIVING/TITHING/Religious Activities/Etc:

2Cor.9.7 - So let each one GIVE as he PURPOSES in his heart, NOT GRUDGINGLY or of NECESSITY; for God loves a CHEERFUL GIVER.

Luke 6:38 KJV
GIVE, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down...

Matthew 5:42 KJV
GIVE to him that ask...

Whatever is not done in love is a Dead Work. 1 Cor. Chap. 13
The language of the law was "compulsion": 'Thou shalt', 'Thou shalt not'. While that of Jesus is, "When you fast, when you Give, if you...

John.14.15 - "If you LOVE Me, keep My commandments.

Are we still struggling with the LAWS/Rules of Moses/Pastors/Churches, OR we are walking in Obedience through the LOVE of Christ?

Rom.10.4 - For Christ is THE END of the Law for righteousness to EVERYONE WHO BELIEVES.

Therefore, even if we WANT to give 10% or 50% or 80% or 100% of our Money, Time, Energy, and others, It should all be done CHEERFULLY, not by FORCE. For God LOVES a cheerful giver.

FINALLY:
Matthew 11:6 KJV
And BLESSED is he, whosoever shall NOT be offended in me.

May the Lord Jesus bless you.
Christianity EtcRe: Seeking Much Greater Signs by davidinchrist(op): 10:28am On Jun 13, 2020
Galatians 2:20 KJV
I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
Christianity EtcRe: Bond Seekers Of Signs Are Bond Slaves Of False Prophets/Churches by davidinchrist(op): 10:35pm On Jun 12, 2020
Colossians 3:1-5 KJV
If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. [2] Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. [3] For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. [4] When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory. [5] Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:
Christianity EtcSeeking Much Greater Signs by davidinchrist(op): 10:08pm On Jun 12, 2020
Jesus told the Religious Men seeking to get a SIGN from him:

Matthew 12:39 KJV
But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a SIGN; and there shall NO SIGN be given to it, BUT THE SIGN OF THE PROPHET Jonas:

So, what's the Sign of Jonas?

Matthew 12:40 KJV
For as Jonas was THREE days and THREE nights in the whale's BELLY; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the HEART of the earth.

It simply symbolizes the Death and the Resurrection of Jesus.

And how is that RELEVANT to us:

Rom.6.10 - For the death that He DIED, He died to SIN ONCE for ALL; but the LIFE that He lives, He LIVES to God.

Great! But now, we should SEEK to make his SIGN work out in our own lives:

Rom.6.11 -" Likewise you also, RECKON yourselves to be DEAD indeed to SIN, but ALIVE to God in Christ Jesus our Lord."

To consider ourselves DEAD with Christ on the Cross, and therefore:

Rom.6.12 - Therefore DO NOT LET SIN "reign" in your mortal body, that you should OBEY it in its lusts.

Rom.6.18 - And having been SET FREE from Sin, you became SLAVES of
RIGHTEOUSNESS.

Rom.6.23 - For the WAGES OF SIN IS DEATH, but the GIFT of God is ETERNAL LIFE in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Therefore, having the finished work of the Cross of Jesus Christ of DENYING THE FLESH and taking up the own CROSS is a much greater SIGN to glorify God.

However, we should ALSO trust God in prayer for earthly SIGNS or MIRACLES for our needs too. But should NOT be made MORE important, or greater than the REALITY of the CROSS of Christ in our daily lives:

Matt.10.38 - And he who DOES NOT take his CROSS and FOLLOW after Me IS NOT WORTHY OF ME.

FINALLY:
Col.3.2 - Set your "mind" on things ABOVE, NOT on things on the EARTH.

Col.3.3 - For you DIED, and your life is HIDDEN with Christ in God.

John.14.15 - "If you LOVE Me, KEEP My commandments.

May Lord Jesus bless you.
Christianity EtcRe: Tithe Issue by davidinchrist(m): 12:28pm On Jun 12, 2020
ayomilore:
please house can I give my tithe to a sister who to me appears like a widow because the husband is so irresponsible. she is a pensioner though but I don't think any meaniful thing is coming in and she has not asked anything from me in a long time but the pandemic is seriously affecting her because she sells within a school campus.
Friend, if you're a true follower of Jesus, you don't need "compulsive tithing". I mean, not trying to debate or convince anyone, but in the New testament, Jesus and the apostles taught cheerful giving not tithing. Some like to quote Matt. 23:23, but Jesus was speaking strongly to the Pharisees (religious hypocrites under the LAW), not his disciples (his true followers).

So, if any true follower of Jesus wants to give, even if it's just 10%, it should be given cheerfully, not out of compulsion or by force as in common Churches today.

CHEERFUL GIVING, NO MORE COMPULSIVE TITHING
2 Corinthians 9:7 KJV
Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him GIVE ; "not grudgingly", or of "necessity": for God loveth a CHEERFUL GIVER.

Luke 6:38 KJV
GIVE, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.

Matthew 5:42 KJV
GIVE to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.

FINALLY:
Matthew 11:6 KJV
And blessed is he , whosoever shall not be offended in me.

May the Lord Jesus enlighten you all.
Christianity EtcBond Seekers Of Signs Are Bond Slaves Of False Prophets/Churches by davidinchrist(op): 8:42pm On Jun 11, 2020
Many Christians and religious people in general are unfortunately always after Men for Signs and Wonders. That's why their chances of ever getting TRULY SAVED are "very very slim". But only having an imaginary Salvation of common Men/Church: just a form of godliness. (2 Tim. 3:5)

When HEALING, worldly breakthroughs, achievements, RICHES and other CARES of this life become MORE important to us than OBEDIENCE to Jesus according to the new testament, then there is serious BLINDNESS OR DARKNESS to follow.

That's when people will begin to BACKSLIDE or compromise their faith in Jesus. Well, for some it may not be called backsliding because they might have never SLID FORWARD in the first place. But only going much deeper into darkness by going to UNSAVED Prophets/Soothsayers for help.

These False Men/Prophets who have been BLINDED by the god of this WORLD through the LOVE of Money and Popularity (like Balaam/Judas and Demas), will however get them by the HEAD, and feast heavily on them: BRAINWASH them until the TRUTH becomes REAL FOOLISHNESS to them. Making them FIXED SLAVES of their Religious Business (called Churches).

Even the Great Religious people, Scribes and Pharisees of old were also great experts at seeking SIGNS from Jesus:

Matt.12.38 - Then some of the Pharisees and teachers of the law said to him, "Teacher, we WANT TO SEE a Miraculous SIGN from you."

Then He replied:

Matt.12.39 - He answered, "A WICKED and ADULTEROUS generation ASKS for a miraculous sign! But NONE will be GIVEN it EXCEPT the sign of the prophet Jonah. (His death and resurrection)

Jesus was saying something like: "You don't want to GET RID OF YOUR ADULTERY with the World: WICKEDNESS and SINS. But you want me to ENTERTAIN or satisfy you by showing you a SIGN, like a Magician or a False Prophet?"

The purpose of Signs and Wonders in Jesus ministry to the world is to cause UNBELIEVERS hearing the gospel for the FIRST TIME to "believe" the gospel.

However, Jesus doesn't work Signs and Wonders readily for people like many Pastors/Prophets and Evangelists want us to believe in their MOUTHWATERING Adverts for Crusades.

Many of these people in all these GREAT CRUSADES are UNREPENTANT Sinners, who have HEARD the gospel countless times, and are just there to USE God to get HEALED, breakthroughs, wealthy, and for other SELFISH reasons.

No doubt, God uses some of these "great" crusades or big meetings to MEET WITH a very tiny amount of people for his purposes. But God knows the hearts of ALL, including the Preacher himself: they can fool people NOT Him.

Our focus should be MORE on humbling ourselves, getting rid of Evil: Sins or Wickedness; Obedience to Jesus FIRST, then we can get GRACE to overcome ALL problems of Life (Matt. 6:33). So as NOT CONTINUE being victims of BLIND LEADERS of the blind:

Matt.15.14 - LEAVE THEM; they are BLIND guides. If a BLIND MAN leads a blind man, both will FALL INTO a pit." (Hell)

Matt.24.24 - For false christs and false prophets will rise and show Great Signs and Wonders to deceive, if possible, even the ELECT.

Matt.24.25 - See, I have TOLD YOU beforehand.

May the Lord Jesus bless you.
Christianity EtcRe: The Unforgivable Sin by davidinchrist(op): 4:00am On Jun 11, 2020
Kobojunkie:
This is not unforgivable sin.
The law of two or three witnesses is as below from the Old Covenant.

The law of two or three witnesses in cases needed death sentences.
Friend, stop wasting your time. You didn't EVEN get the message just like sometimes before too. IF you still wish to reread a bit carefully later, then take not of the HOWEVER in the fifth paragraph.

Moreover, you don't NEED to agree, mention or even read my posts. If you've noticed that my messages do not dance to your tune, do well to look for others that do. I seek to glorify Jesus not Men/Church, nor even myself.

Like I said before, I can only engage in discussions with anyone for edification or building up, NOT for argument or debating.

And it's quite pathetic the way you keep jumping around "majoring" on Minors, instead of Majors.

Now, here is the major thing: are you born again or saved yet? Do you love Jesus with ALL your heart, strength and might? Do you love your neighbours? Do you keep and obey the words of Jesus according to Matt. Mark, Luke and John, and NOT living in conscious Sins? Do you love Jesus above all things, even your own life?

Philippians 2:12-13 KJV
Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your OWN salvation with Fear and Trembling. [13] For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

I doubt it, though, but if Yes, then you're a disciple of Jesus. But if not, like I think, please forget your present works, start seeking Jesus and his righteousness first.

Don't mind my long writing, but I may never respond to you if you do not humble and examine yourself first.

Matthew 3:8 KJV
Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:

Alright,

Goodbye.
Christianity EtcRe: When Pastors/Christians Are Not Saved, Then Sinners/Atheists Get More Confused by davidinchrist(op): 10:37pm On Jun 10, 2020
Kobojunkie:
Consider my person as an example! I am not a teacher, but I teach what Christ commanded, and nothing more. Am I living in disobedience to the words of my Master? NO, I am simply echoing that which my Master thought. I have no followers/students and I am not a go-between between my master and those who want to follow Him.

Now consider your average Pastor/Preacher/GO/Rabbi/Pharisee/Sadducee out there today. Jesus Christ's commands and words have taken a back seat because many of these "men of God" were themselves suckled at the tits of other "men of god" before them, who were also n-degrees removed from the master, Jesus Christ. What is to be expected? What we now have are "men of God" teaching doctrines, and rules (all man-made), and traditions of men (also created in the minds of men), and seeking for themselves followers to pass on these doctrines and rules onto. What did Jesus say about the doctrines and rules of men? He did scold the Pharisees on this as well.
Your "men of god" today have inserted themselves between God and His people, just like the Pharisees and the Sadducees did during Jesus's time, and that is why Jesus scolded them much and often.
Like I said, I am not against Paul's letters. Only against the use of them against Jesus Christ.
LOL... Really?
So, when Jesus, in the very next verse, says to call no man your father on earth, was He also just referring to the use of the title "Father"? grin

Do you really believe that Christ would be so inane as to suggest that God has a problem with mere titles? Come on! I know deep down you know that does not even make any sense at all. grin
Don't worry about me... you should be worried about you!
Alright friend.

Goodbye.
Christianity EtcRe: When Pastors/Christians Are Not Saved, Then Sinners/Atheists Get More Confused by davidinchrist(op): 9:55pm On Jun 10, 2020
@Kobojunkie

Do you believe what Jesus said here too:

Matthew 28:20 KJV
TEACHING them to observe ALL things whatsoever I have COMMANDED you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

NOT SURE YOU WILL BELIEVE THIS, THOUGH:
Ephesians 4:11 KJV
And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and TEACHERS;

Where you quoted about Rabbi, Jesus was condemning the use of Titles, like Pastor/Prophet/Bishop Paul, and not respecting Religious Men above Him like many of us do today.

Friend, do you have the Holy Spirit?

You need to seek for light cos this is not very difficult.
Christianity EtcRe: When Pastors/Christians Are Not Saved, Then Sinners/Atheists Get More Confused by davidinchrist(op): 9:00pm On Jun 10, 2020
Kobojunkie:
But are your godly men, Paul included, substitutes for the Son of Man? undecided
Friend, you don't have to agree with me if you don't want to. I'm only willing to get into discussion with anyone who needs me to teach him, or for me to learn from them myself. Since you've tried to water down verses I gave you by Paul, inspired by the Holy Spirit. What you quoted were true, but you shouldn't believe a part and decide that some parts are of none effect. As if the Holy Spirit made a mistake: ALL were inspired, remember.

I quoted 3 verses: but think about these particular one, I'm using another translation now, if you so wish:

1Cor.11.1 - And you should FOLLOW MY EXAMPLE, just as I follow Christ's.

The lesson is, if you as a Christian can't tell believers younger to you to follow your example, then you're NOT fit.

That's why I've CUT myself from many big Pastors/Churches: cos no fruit of Jesus in them:

Matthew 15:14 KJV
Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch. (Hell)

Finally friend, if you or anyone else still disagrees, no problem. Just ignore me and move on.

Thanks.
Christianity EtcThe Unforgivable Sin by davidinchrist(op): 8:09pm On Jun 10, 2020
We must beware of committing sins by speaking evil of others behind their backs. Especially of believers and true servants of God; and there by opposing the TRUTH.

Heb.10.28 - Anyone who has REJECTED Moses' law dies WITHOUT mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses.

Hebrews 10:31 KJV
It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

It's better to keep QUIET than to OPPOSE the truth.

However, some Religious Men tried to accuse and oppose Jesus, and he said:

Matt.12.32 - Anyone who SPEAKS a word against the Son of Man, it will be FORGIVEN him; BUT whoever SPEAKS AGAINST the Holy Spirit, it will NOT be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.

The sin against the Holy Spirit is when a person's heart is so hardened that he/she NO LONGER WANT TO REPENT. Which may lead to evil speaking of the Holy Spirit; speaking evil of the truth, and other sins.

God will hand us over to our lusts if we refuse stop conscious sins:

Rom.1.28 - And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a DEBASED MIND, to do uthose things which are not fitting;

Heb.10.26 - For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there NO LONGER remains a SACRIFICE for sins,

Hebrews 10:27 KJV
But a CERTAIN fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall DEVOUR the adversaries.

So, a person knows he's blasphemed the Holy Spirit when he doesn't WANT to turn to Jesus, and stop sinning.

Although, as Jesus EXPOSED the lies of great Religious Men of his time, we should seriously avoid and expose lies and deception of Men/Church to help people from going astray. But not by NAMING NAMES publicly, abusing or insulting them, and trying to drag them to the mud:

2 Timothy 4:2-3 KJV
Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. [3] For the time WILL COME WHEN THEY WILL NOT ENDURE "sound doctrine"; BUT after their OWN LUSTS shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

Matt.12.31 - "Therefore I say to you, EVERY SIN and blasphemy WILL be forgiven men, BUT the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men.

Finally:

1 John 4:1 KJV
Beloved, BELIEVE NOT every spirit, but TRY the spirits WHETHER they are of God: because MANY FALSE PROPHETS are "gone out" into the World.

May the Lord Jesus bless you.
Christianity EtcRe: When Pastors/Christians Are Not Saved, Then Sinners/Atheists Get More Confused by davidinchrist(op): 11:09am On Jun 10, 2020
Luke 19:10 KJV
For the Son of man is come to SEEK and to SAVE that which was LOST.
Christianity EtcRe: When Pastors/Christians Are Not Saved, Then Sinners/Atheists Get More Confused by davidinchrist(op):
Kobojunkie:
undecided lipsrsealed lipsrsealed Is this what Jesus Christ, the Son of God, said you should do?
Did Jesus Christ approve of you having a go-between between Himself, Jesus Christ, and your person, in the person of a "godly" man, in this case Paul? So you are not even a follower of Jesus Christ, but of Paul then? undecided undecided
undecided lipsrsealed lipsrsealed Did Jesus Christ tell you to do this?
You practically chuck aside the commandments of Jesus Christ whom you claim a your savior so you can continue to blindly follow the lead of your so-called "men of god"/ "godly" men? undecided undecided
Alright friend, if you were hungry you would believe scriptures "inspired" by the same Holy spirit which is ONE with Jesus. If you don't believe the holy spirit, how can you even believe in Jesus who sent Him? For they are different persons but ONE.

But did you even read the post carefully in the first place?

Okay.

Anyway, thanks for your time friend,

***Goodbye***
Christianity EtcRe: When Pastors/Christians Are Not Saved, Then Sinners/Atheists Get More Confused by davidinchrist(op):
Kobojunkie:
And here we go again... undecided
Was it not the following of "godly" men that have brought much of Christianity to its knees in the first place...undecided undecided undecided

When will Christians begin to pay attention again to Jesus Christ and His commandments, including the commandments that warn severely against the following of so-called "godly" men, particularly your idea of who they are? undecided undecided undecided
Friend, I'm afraid, you don't know very much about Paul, much less Jesus himself. This he told people several times:

1 Corinthians 11:1 KJV
Be ye FOLLOWERS of me, even as I also am of CHRIST.

Philippians 3:17 KJV
Brethren, be FOLLOWERS together of me, and MARK them which "walk" so as ye have us for an ENSAMPLE.

1 Corinthians 4:16 KJV
Wherefore I beseech you, be ye FOLLOWERS of me.

And I've seen very few Men, great or small, who can HONESTLY say that TODAY.

What I want is to always be part of those FEW men.

However, kindly ignore this if you don't seem to still agree. You might as well try other people.

Thanks.
Christianity EtcRe: When Pastors/Christians Are Not Saved, Then Sinners/Atheists Get More Confused by davidinchrist(op):
@petra1

Friend, don't worry if you don't seem to need that message. Those that do will surely understand and give God glory.

Remember, Jesus didn't condemn repentant sinners, but was always rebuking and exposing the Pharisees, Sadducees, Scribes, Money changers and other Religious Hypocrites of his time. Exposing those same things I mentioned in the post.

You should know that by common sins I meant outward sins, while greater sins should mean inward or secret sins of the heart which is far worse.

Again, if you don't think it's yours, never mind. There are many other posts else where.

Thanks.
Christianity EtcRe: When Pastors/Christians Are Not Saved, Then Sinners/Atheists Get More Confused by davidinchrist(op): 10:10pm On Jun 09, 2020
Professorcplus:
Sadly, this is the backslide of religion from the onset. Any society that has strong movement from religion has the tendency to be exploit with it.
@op you have only stated the problem arising so my question to you is what do you think is the solution to curb this menace?
Friend, it's right there, towards the end; quoted down below:

"We've got to truly REPENT of all outward and INWARD sins of Worldliness to be SAVED, and TURNING AWAY from Greedy Religious Men of the World. (See 2 Thess. 3:6)

But rather follow Godly Men like Paul:

Acts 20:33 KJV
I have COVETED NO man's silver, or gold, or apparel.

1 Timothy 6:10 KJV
For the LOVE of Money is the root of all evil: which while some COVETED after, they have ERRED from the faith, and pierced themselves through with MANY sorrows.

FINALLY:

Eph.5.5 - For this you know, that NO fornicator, unclean person, nor COVETOUS MAN, WHO is an IDOLATER, has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.

Eph.5.6 - Let NO ONE DECEIVE you with empty words, for because of these things the WRATH of God comes upon the SONS OF DISOBEDIENCE.

May Lord Jesus Give You Light."
Christianity EtcWhen Pastors/Christians Are Not Saved, Then Sinners/Atheists Get More Confused by davidinchrist(op): 9:44pm On Jun 09, 2020
When it comes to Salvation in Christ, it's NOT JUST about repenting or turning away from common SINS alone, but actually TURNING AWAY from all SINS and every form WORLDLINESS altogether.

In other words, Worldliness is Sinful, and it's of the devil as much as common Sins.

Worldliness is simply the LOVE of the World and the things in it. NOT the need or the use of those necessary or useful things of the world, but the LOVE of them (i.e Money and Material things).

It's unfortunate that many Christians, even GREAT Pastors/Preachers have got no light on that yet.

They use hours to preach and exhort people on common Sins and some outward form of worldliness: adultery, fornication, seductive dressing, wearing of jewelry, etc. But would NOT necessarily major on "GREATER WORLDLINESS": the Love of Money, Love of Popularity/Honour/Glory of Men or People, and every form of Selfishness and Pride in general.

They also spend SPECIAL hours on making SERMONS about how to MAKE MONEY for themselves by preaching OLD COVENANT TITHING, First fruits, Sowing of Seeds and Making of Monetary VOWS (some don't even exist in the Old covenant), etc.

However, before Jesus declared that SALVATION had come in a Man's house back then, FIRST, here was what the man said:

Luke.19.8 - But Zacchaeus stood up and said to the Lord, "Look, Lord! Here and now I GIVE half of my possessions to the poor, and IF I HAVE CHEATED ANYBODY out of anything, I will PAY BACK four times the amount."

In other words, Zacchaeus wasn't just turning away from COMMON SINS like sexual sins, fighting, murder, lying, etc. But also from a GREATER PART of Sin and Worldliness which is the LOVE OF MONEY and STINGINESS or lack of CHEERFUL giving.

Interesting, in the following verse, Jesus replied him:

Luke.19.9 - Jesus responded, "SALVATION HAS COME to this home today, for this man HAS SHOWN HIMSELF to be a son of Abraham.

In that case, MANY professing Christians, including Pastors, Church founders and all are NOT CONVERTED YET. Because their VERSION of salvation has not necessarily SAVED them from the Love of Money. But alas, they have EVEN become GREATER LOVER OF MONEY.

They tell LIES using Jesus and the Holy Spirit to PROPHESY to make money; and start living luxuriously like CELEBRITIES, using the Poor's money to build MANSIONS and resources that ONLY the Rich can afford.

One of the worst things there is MANY believers see them and say something like "Boy, what a GREAT Man of God!

No, they're NOT, they are just RELIGIOUS CELEBRITIES: NOT of the Lord Jesus!

Moreover, "unlike" Zacchaeus, I THINK Jesus would say to them:

"Salvation HAS NOT YET COME to these Houses: they should GET RID of their LOVE OF MONEY, POPULARITY WITH THE WORLD, and Wickedness FIRST":

1John.2.15 - DO NOT LOVE the world or the THINGS in the world. If ANYONE LOVES the world, the LOVE of the Father IS NOT in him.

These and others have brought DISHONOUR to the name of Jesus among SINNERS and atheists, making them worse off, without much hope of coming to Jesus to be SAVED from the damnation of Hell.

We've got to truly REPENT of all outward and INWARD sins of Worldliness to be SAVED, and TURNING AWAY from Greedy Religious Men of the World. (See 2 Thess. 3:6)

But rather follow Godly Men like Paul:

Acts 20:33 KJV
I have COVETED NO man's silver, or gold, or apparel.

1 Timothy 6:10 KJV
For the LOVE of Money is the root of all evil: which while some COVETED after, they have ERRED from the faith, and pierced themselves through with MANY sorrows.

FINALLY:

Eph.5.5 - For this you know, that NO fornicator, unclean person, nor COVETOUS MAN, WHO is an IDOLATER, has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.

Eph.5.6 - Let NO ONE DECEIVE you with empty words, for because of these things the WRATH of God comes upon the SONS OF DISOBEDIENCE.

May Lord Jesus Give You Light.
Christianity EtcThe First Thing That Needs Doing To Avoid DEAD WORKS by davidinchrist(op):
It's good to be good by doing good. It's nice to be religious: attending fellowship meetings; denying oneself; praying and fasting; helping others, giving for God's work; preaching the gospel; etc.

However, that's NOT THE FIRST THING required by Jesus:

John.14.15 - "If you LOVE me, OBEY my Commandments. (NOT activities FIRST)

There are many Christians who haven't understood this elementary aspect fully well. Many were just told to come forward to repeat the sinners prayer, and maybe sign some church or denominational forms to be part of them.

It is not a bad idea to fellowship in a local church (if you find one with a Christlike leader, though), BUT Jesus NEVER made GOING to Church the FIRST thing to be done:

Matt.19.17 - ... But if you WANT TO ENTER into Life, KEEP the commandments."

And these commandments are scattered through the New testament, but especially in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

Moreover, what's the use of going to Church without FIRST LOVING JESUS with ones WHOLE heart, and then KEEPING the commandments?

I don't mean the Old Covenant life of the "10 Commandments, Tithing, First fruits, Holy days, Ceremonial laws, etc. BUT of the NEW COVENANT of the Spirit which is in LOVE:

Matt.22.37 - Jesus said to him, ""You shall LOVE the LORD your God with ALL your heart, with ALL your soul, and with ALL your mind.'

Matt.22.38 - This is the FIRST and GREAT commandment.

Matt.22.39 - And the SECOND is like it: "You shall LOVE your neighbor as yourself.'

Nonetheless, what's the use of being CALLED a Believer/Christian/Pastor/Prophet/Bishop/Brother/Sister and so on, when we still LOVE MONEY, the honour or glory of Men MORE THAN Jesus: it's POINTLESS!

This is what leads to DEAD WORKS: works that are NOT acceptable to God because they are NOT done in LOVE for God. They are works birthed out of the LUST TO MAKE MONEY or get HONOUR in the NAME of Jesus. Such might be acceptable to Men/Church, but NOT to Jesus.

And the bible says we got to REPENT of Dead Works:

Hebrews 6:1 KJV
Therefore leaving the principles of the DOCTRINE of Christ, let us go on unto PERFECTION; not laying again the foundation of REPENTANCE FROM DEAD WORKS, and of faith toward God...

Works under the LAW (either of Moses or Any Pastor/Man) too are NOW DEAD WORKS. But WORKS done in LOVE of God are acceptable.

For instance, if you GIVE or DO something religious, and you don't do or give it CHEERFULLY, it is a DEAD WORK.

That's why MANY of our religious works including many common Church activities, Tithing, Fasting and Praying, Praise and Worship, Evangelism, etc are DEAD WORKS if they are not DONE IN LOVE but of COMPULSION or by FORCE: merely to PLEASE Men or people in general:

2Cor.9.7 - So let each one GIVE as he PURPOSES in his heart, NOT grudgingly or of necessity; for God "loves" a CHEERFUL GIVER.

Are we still under the Law of Moses/Pastors, or of the Spirit of Love in Jesus?

Are we doing lots of things merely to PLEASE Religious Men or People but NOT cheerfully?

We've got to Repent of Sins as well as DEAD WORKS, in order to do REAL GOOD WORKS with Love in Jesus.

May Jesus Bless You.
Christianity EtcRe: Marking Especially The MOST Difficult Ones by davidinchrist(op): 7:40pm On Jun 07, 2020
Matthew 15:9 KJV
But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Christianity EtcRe: Keep Your Trumpets by davidinchrist(op): 7:32pm On Jun 07, 2020
davidinchrist:
Matthew 6:4 KJV
That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.

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