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Emmalot121:
You actually don't have a valid point here because Faith (substance of things hoped for, evidence of things not seen) is not needed here, the only place we need Faith as Christians is in the promise of heaven and favours from God.

So you don't have faith in scripture, isn't it where you got that verse from?

Emmalot121:
Why put all eggs in a basket, you'll lose nothing if Christian.

This is what I stand to lose...

davien:
What i lose by believing "god?"
IF YOU REFER TO YOUR "god" THEN;

1.Give 10% my income

2.Give in to authority...through "faith men" and be easily conned...

3.Demote women...as "inferior beings"

4.When you base reality on the imaginary....you become more manipulative and have to believe anything absurd to back up the belief i.e Creationism...

5.Live by racist standards i.e Demoting people on sexual preference,ethnicity etc...

6.Have to teach children to not be inquisitive and lie to them...

7.Have to force a view against abortion rights and gay rights based on baseless toilet paper...

8.Have to threaten people with "hell" and "faith" because the myth does not go by its own merits and have to be believed by "faith" ....

9.Have to teach children imaginary do's and don'ts about masturbati0n....and other subjects best left to personal wishes...

10.Stand to lose sanity by believing two members of a species can re-populate that species without losing vigour and without genetic defects and believe in a world wide flood...

LOTS AND LOTS AND LOTS OF REASONS...

Emmalot121:
What mistake is in what I've written?

why rationalize scripture with your senses if you're only to have faith in scripture word for word?

Emmalot121:
The thought of it is inexpressible, but you can find solace in it, now you are, but then you shall be no more.

okay....

Emmalot121:
Eternal Fire means Fire of God since God is eternal.
He has also held in eternal chains those angels who did not keep their own position but
abandoned their assigned place. They are held in deepest darkness for judgment on the
great day.
Look at the use of eternal in this verse, doesn't it make sense that they are going to be untied in order to be punished, yet it is adjudged to be eternal!!!

So you're using your fallible mind to read scripture?

Emmalot121:
No, but you feel it while Alive, the fear of laying dormant forever.

How can one feel that which you know nothing about? Do you know how it feels to be dormant for infinity?

Emmalot121:
No. Most are ignorant of this verse, while some find it hard to remove the fear of burning forever like I was told as a child.

So why can't those that oppose it use the same argument for you?

Emmalot121:
Like a great burden living in eternal emptiness, while others enjoy eternal happiness, seeing and chatting with the ONE who lives forever, where there shall neither be sorrow nor pains.

so non-existence has a feeling?!

Emmalot121:
It is not about 'what should be' but 'what is'.

Answer the question, do all christians believe" hell" isn't eternal?

Emmalot121:
You mean you neither believe nor disbelieve! How?

Basic tautology is difficult to you?!
Atheism is the lack of belief and it needn't not be defended for it's not a position on belief just the absence of one....

Emmalot121:
Hell is not eternal. Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving
themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example,
suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Jude 1:7

Do all Christians believe that?

Emmalot121:
So you didn't even have enough proof before jumping into atheism.

atheism doesn't rely on proof for it defends no position...
Lack of information on a subject like "heaven/hell/god/gods" means their likeable to imaginative things since they can't be proven/disprove....

Emmalot121:
Who is Olodumare, cos he never professed to be God?

Did I claim that?

Emmalot121:
Sango is a mere messenger of Olodumare.

So you know....why then were you denying the invisible qualities of which all men know in their hearts?

And the answer to your question is very simple....I lack the information to determine anything about heaven/hell so as far as anyone can tell it's as real as hogwards in harry potter...

Albie:
we are talking about GOD not god .
meanwhile don't u know that everything happen for a reason. So I will not dignify your words.

You don't have a monopoly on why your "god" has to be capitalized....

And if everything happens for a reason....What reason is their in "god" emerging from nothing?

Or what reason can you find in viruses that invade and alter our cells?

The case for many people believing "things happen for a reason" is to try to create a sense of safety over unforseen events and minimize fear.....

Smallville10:
it ain't flat

The curvature of the universe is flat, parallel lines stay parallel...and they don't divert in the case of an open universe and don't meet in the case of a closed universe.

I could forward you to educational videos on the subject if you're interested...

Albie:
you know we cannot understand ways cos he moves in mysterious ways.

So billions of children have to die of malaria because "god" wants to be mysterious?

Meanwhile human beings scrambled to make cures?

neoapocalypse:
Yeah I saw that one

You could also ask for him to create something too heavy for him to carry , if he can't create it it means he can't create some things and if he does create it and he can't carry then he isn't all powerful

how about the love doesn't keep a record of wrongs?

Heard about that?

If you could make a place with both free-will and the inability to do evil like in heaven supposedly, why wasn't earth made the same way...

PaulCI:
Men...see Devil!

lol, that small question was what people have been crucifying me for oh...lol!

hunkydory:
Well let me just assume that you don't know.I will tell you.You see,God does not need to go through any device to see what is on the internet or any other place for that matter.He is all-knowing and therefore knows everything.He created the world and everything in it and He gave man the knowledge to continue creation.Those things created by God are called natural and those created by man is called man-made.Hope you are clear now?

So if "god" knows everything, why did it's creation end up imperfect that it regretted making it and condemned everyone in a supposed world flood?

It's a question believers like you should be free to ask don't you think?

haibe that's nice, let that brain rest...It's done more thinking this night than you could have used it in your lifetime....

hunkydory:
I think you are just trying to be funny.You can't be seriously asking this question.

I am serious, how can "god" access the internet? To see my post like you said...

haibe:
dude, do what I said; visit the nearest Gce centre so your results will tell you how unsound you are.. Nah you gan gan dem do English comprehension for but you refuse to go to a good school; if you went to one at all

Yet you're the one ignorant of general statements and dissimilar sentences.. Hilarious

haibe:
lol and who says am a christian? Dude I just hate when folks act like they know, when they don't know shit .. I could defend a Muslim too if you were posting this bulshit in respect to their religion.

In summary, at least use sense when criticising

Again,It happens you don't know what a general statement is....did I call you a Christian? Or highlighted your post as a basic Christian strategy...I guess you flunked in English whenever given general statements...lol

haibe:
Mumu did anyone tell you God doesn't have knowledge of good and evil?? ... chief why you dey do like this nah, at least understand what you want to criticise first before you start; it will save you from ridiculing yourself

Meanwhile enrol at the nearest Gce centre; you need to know how much you need to learn

smh....How does knowledge of "good and evil" compare to "knowledge of how an evil act feels like",I guess brains don't work like they used to...

hunkydory:
God is all-knowing.Don't blaspheme.And he has read your comment so be careful.

So how did "god" access the internet?... Wi-fi in heaven? lol

haibe:
lmao, I am not insulting you, if I tell you that you are displaying stupidity, then you are.. Am not Jesus, so don't Compare me to him, am not different from you are except that I am Intelligent enough to know how to prove things wrong and not just by acting stupidd and gullible ... I doubt things too but at least I don't act dumbb just because I don't believe something.

You're demonstrably insulting....I could do the same but I'd rather not, setting that it's the desperation of not knowing basic logic that makes you do it...plus being hypocritical to you're own way of life...
You couldn't back up any of you're accusations so you'll insult....basic Christian strategy...

haibe:
hahahha, please show me where the Christianity teaches that when you know how it feels to steal; it is sinful... Please show me I beg, shebi you sabi well, you no dey go online go copy bulshit paradox

Lol....did I say it's "sinful" einstein?
Having an impure mind riddled with knowledge of how evil acts feel like was the point...

haibe:


you seem like someone who is so gullible, goes online to Google paradoxes about God and coming here to display the stupidity thinking you are intelligent. . You make no atom of sense dude..lol, you are simply playing with English Language.

try looking for my posts word for word and proving it then, instead of lying and insulting me(like "jesus" would do )...
And why not tell us why a paradox is possible for a supposed "perfect being"?

haibe:
lol I thought you were one of the intelligent non believers I have met on nairaland until seeing your post.. you are so unintelligent

So if God knows how stealing feels like, it means he stole? The issue is not the feeling but the act itself which is condemned dude, don't quote me again if you cannot comprehend simple sentences, you are still free to go back to school

lying is the end result of Christians who fail to defend faith...

davien:
lol...you're the unintelligent one here...
It should be, if "god" knows how stealing feels like then "god" isn't pure....for it possesses a carnal mind that knows how it feels to steal...

Logic 101

Now we've seen the height of Christian morals, can't defend faith? Then lie... smh

Can you destroy yourself?

If yes, then you're not "ever-lasting",if no then you're not "omnipotent"