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An2elect2:
The devil never spoke half truth. He is a liar from the beginning.

And was your "god" aware of this trait which seemingly popped out of nowhere?

This is pure racism.....next thing you know a cult would grow from this mentality...
No "race" is superior to the other,humans have less than 1% variation along themselves(whether Negro, Caucasian,etc)

Shirley07:
You're not thinking with your brain.
If I'm jealous because a male friend of mine is getting attached to another female, does that means I want to be like her? Of course not.
I'm just jealous because he's sharing me with another woman.

Okay,so "god" is as insecure as a man would over a woman?

menesheh:
where i was reffering to is this place

Adam living and riding alongside dinosaurs.... , which is still under the 6000yrs claimed by christains and jews abt creation of the earth cum universe



i understood that you are just making ridicule of the whole thing

Well on a serious note, they really believe it....Adam to them is like Fred Flintstone

menesheh:
Same happened to you too by believing in a virgin birth and human living more than 900yrs in mere 6000yrs ago despite davien was wrong too cus science projected more than he estimated about time frame of dinosaurs existence on earth

please tell me where i ever claimed anything about dinosaurs..

Maamin:
I guess The bolded is a figment of your imagination..you are way out of tune.

It's straight from ken ham

SweetWJ:
Pls kindly quote the scriptures that says the world is only 6,000yrs old. Also note that those parent lived for many years before giving birth to the children. It makes no sense adding all their years together.

It's a christian cult, calling themselves "creationists"....they settle for the earth being 6000 years and Adam living and riding alongside dinosaurs....

SonofIssachar:
Dear Davien,

The prayer of the boy makes all the difference in this story because prayer works, always.

More important is the fact that he did not pray a selfish prayer that his opponent should lose. He prayed a simple prayer that God should grant him the grace to bear the defeat if he loses. Now that kind of prayer gets answered even faster than a self-motivated prayer.

So has nobody ever prayed for the lame to grow back limbs?....what was the result?

DProDG:
Wirinet & Davien I think your argument centres on the interpretation of the word 'see'. Wiri obviously means 'sense' while Dav means it in regards to vision, ie, with eyes.

Yup...

DProDG:
Prostitution has little to do with either emotions or procreation, it's almost purely sexual and sex isn't primarily for procreation.

I'm not saying it's for procreation,I'm saying that what is normally fine for procreation is now done for a few bucks...a couple more and you can go an.al,money spent for the use of a fellow human being....anyway sexually permitted..

I agree the relationships and the 'profession' as a whole isn't healthy but I think adults should be able to control their health.

Good, so isn't the profession already very hazardous to health?

Promiscuity isn't exclusive to prostitution. Alcohol and smoking aren't healthy but still legal(for adults). Some people enjoy BD SM, the prostitute can get to choose if it's her 'thing'.

I'm talking of social and sexual disinterest, not promiscuity(although it can also arguably lead to it)...and smoking reduces bronchioles elasticity....causing shortness of breathe,emphysema,cancer, etc are the effects of smoking...

Exactly, there aren't any emotional attachments. People can get socially/sexually inept for various other reasons.

And that is the point leading to disinterest.....once you just get in like it's a public toilet then how'd you view the opposite sex(especially when you decide to get married)

While I agree that it's unsafe/unhealthy, legalizing and controlling prostitution could reduce the spread of STIs, rape, child trafficking/exploitation. And did you imply beastiality?

True and I did mean beastiality.....though I'm not implying prostitution leads to bestiality...only that one could also be a prostitute to client pets' who'd pay good money for you to satisfy their pets...

I don't feel like prostitution is moral(morality has an ambiguous definition) but at the same time can't objectively point out what's wrong with it if controlled. Whether legal or not, people will still engage in it so on that ground, I think the prior is better.

Undoubtedly I still see it as comparable to slavery....inwhich people regard their bodies as commodities....I prefer it being "controlled" but then the issue becomes how does one "control" prostitution well enough to lower std's?...

Shirley07:
He's jealous of sin.

So "god" wants to be "sinful"?, that explains a lot...

sonOfLucifer:
We all experience these feelings differently. I for one derive joy from pain, you could call me sadomasochistic.

okay...now we've established those emotions and that joy is preferable....now who's harm do you find joy in?

Not all societies share the same idea of progress.

In terms of wellbeing there's only one, care to differ?

We are all different. Even within a family, there are differences.

True, there are still similarities derived from them in everyway...

There will never be a perfect society.

Hold it hotshot nobody said "perfect soceity", stop the strawman

Years of human civilization and the best we can boast of is democracy where the majority determine the fate of the minority.

If that is what you think democracy is then you're poorly misinformed..

I care for my wellbeing, and if I so wish, I could extend this to those within my immediate circle like family and friends. Beyond that, it becomes much more difficult especially if we do not share the same ideals.

Exactly,so you care for your wellbeing and have arrived at the notion that for you to coexist with others....you need to either extend it or think of the effects your actions have on others and what would happen if everyone adopted such a pattern...
That is the path....an evaluation of concrete things that affect us and the motivation..

wirinet:
This argument is becoming pediatric, it is becoming senseless and directionless.

True...

I corrected you by explaining that darknes is not marely a lack of photons, but the inability to sense certain range of energies including photons.

Darkness is a lack of photons....I guess they don't teach basic things like that anymore...
Here's an experiment...in a dark room,take a torchlight and switch it on....take any physical thing and obstruct it....what is observed is darkness in place of the obstructed photons...

Then you went on a fallacious diatribe of saying;

There's a difference in claiming accusations and presenting a case...you are claiming an accusation...

Here you are digging further into fallacy. First a photon is not defined as a unit of electromagnetic energy, it is the smallest packet of electromagnetic energy.

How should I put this?
Photons exist in packets and a photon is a unit of electromagnetic energy...

Its energy depends on the wavelength and frequency of the packet.

yes I know...
The energy and momentum of a photon depend only on its frequency (ν) or inversely, its wavelength (λ)

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon

Furthermore the eye (human and animal's) is only sensitive to a very minute range of the electromagnetic spectrum.

You've even admitted this already
Follow this up in a logical deduction.....if light is electromagnetic radiation and the human eyes can only see within a certain brand....then what is observed if not darkness?

The bulk of the electromagnetic spectrum is " dark to the organ call eye" The statement no photon, no light is very wrong.

Genius if light is made up of photons and you remove photons, what do you have left?...

I think you just use the word photon without know its meaning.

After reading your write-up I think anyone fact checking this is palm-facing you right now...

This is the basic definition of a photon;

Nice...now once "seeing" as defined by you is

"the eye (human and animal's) is only sensitive to a very minute range of the electromagnetic spectrum"

So what then do you call the lack of photons within that range? can you see the lack of photons that are necessary to excite your optical nerves?

So a packet of Radio waves or gamma rays is a photon. Are you now saying a room filled with radio waves or gamma rays is dark?

I get the fact that all EM radiation consists of photons...but the defining line between the visible ones are merely frequency(or inversely wavelength),that's it.....photons need to be at a certain wavelength to be seen....remove the photons entirely and what are you left with?
Time and time again...you've shown everyone just how "learned" you are ....

MrPresident:
nope, am a staunch Atheist.

since when?

MrPresident:
jealous of what he created?? another dumb bible verse

wait,aren't you a theist?

Beamborla:
Lol... I dropped the argument already. That does not mean I agree with you.

I never implied you did

Mentally: it's a thing of choice. If you can't stand the heat in the kitchen, get the Fu*ck out.

True....that still doesn't stop social and sexual disinterest....those are the long term effects of prostitution..

Emotionally: talking about procreation as a means of profit, what of those who donate sperm to earn money and who says the act is for procreation alone?

You're alluding the context, which is two people having se.xual relations to solidify emotional attachments and those that donate sperm render it for money of course, but for the couples involved want the sperm for that emotional attachment(a baby)...

Physically, I'm not one and I'm sure guys who have been with them wouldn't agree with you about the shape or state of their V

It's not a matter of opinion....if you have relations with people that have different members you stand a chance to harm yourself whether through the inability to keep up with the se.xual demand( an example is "bondage" )

Clinically, we have a whole lot of preventive measures out there... at least, I know of condom.

According to Joe S. McIlhaney, Jr., M.D., there is clinical evidence to show that "the same rate of chlamydial infection occurs in those who use condoms and those who do not."

http://www.altheal.org/overview/condoms.htm

I'm yet to see that profession that does not affect one physically, mentally, clinically and emotionally. Except you love what you are doing which gives you the strength to keep going despite the odds.

This isn't merely a "headache at the job" effect but an exploration of the opposite gender and the degradation of their being....

Don't get me wrong, I'm not encouraging prostitution.

I understand
perfectly

But don't you think it's better to visit one compared to using an innocent girl for sex under the pretence of love and false promise of marriage.

True...but that doesn't mean it'll stop anyone from still using an innocent girl...arguably it may even trigger such.

Prostitution is bad! I agree and wouldn't encourage anyone to go into it.

Good for you...

wirinet:
What do you mean by catchy come back? please explain what you are talking about, because i have no clue.

I used the term "energy" because i am talking of a wider term, than restricting seeing, sensing or perceiving to just one type of energy - electromanetic energy.

If you read my last post again, you will see i used three different examples of animals that can "see" without relying on electromagnetic energy.

A bat can travel around obstacles and locate and catch a pray in pitch darkness by "seeing" its surroundings using only sound energy. It has been shown that we humans have this sense of perception to a lesser degree but has been shunted due to our over reliance on sight. Blind people can be taught to move around using eco-location.

A dog can also recontruct a three dimensional image of its surrounding using only its sense of smell. A blood hound's sense of smell is so acute and sensible that it can locate objects in pitch darkness.

A shark can locate a pray in pitch darknes using its in built sense of electricity. It can sense the very weak electrical signals given off by animals.

Other animals can sense other types of energy like heat and magnetism.

Because humans depends so much on sight to perceive the universe, some people erroneously and arrogantly feel that the universe cannot be percieved outside the very narrow range of electromagnectic spectrum that the human eyes can perceive and so anything outside those range of frquencies is called darkness.

Then you are practically dating gibberish....because despite the fact that you now claim you know we were talking all talking about electromagnetic radiation....you think "seeing" is the same regardless of what organ is used to create the mental picture....note that you yourself had to put quotes on "seeing"because they don't really see in the conventional sense..
I admire that you want to show one can "see" without eyes, but that leaves room for generalization and that then leaves room for ambiguity....which is bad if we want to be specific(which we do) in a topic like this...

Jameselias:
@ davien, all i understand from what u were saying is that, u don't want to hear or see the three letter word? G.O.D,
but why?

please post where I specificly said that...

FOLYKAZE:
He is a Hatetheist.

He hate to see the three letter GOD

Very funny.....I'm not a hatetheist I'm an atheist!

FOLYKAZE:
personification is a form of expression.

I dont need to see tortoise as a wise being that trick people around. Common sense would tell me there is more to the tale which is moral essense.

Atheist and thiest should continue fight over what God is.

It isn't a "fight", its merely a debate.

sonOfLucifer:
Nothing is wrong or right. Life is perspective.

Do people experience joy and/or pain?

would a community progress if the well-being of each and every member was acknowledged?

would a community be better off in wellbeing when people realise that perspectives have consequences and influence others?

And do you as an individual care for your wellbeing?

Jameselias:
Davien, let's put it this way GOD is the unknown, what do u say?

how did you arrive at that?.... and why the bolded words?

And the point is

DProDG:
Juju is very powerful! That's why US, China and Russia use it to fight their wars. Guns are sooooo overrated!

remember that time we used "juju" to fight slavery?

Jameselias:
look at it critically and u will see it does in a lot of ways,
first, i siad it's a force not a being,

let's define the terms then...what type of force is this?....is it quanitifable if not why call it a force?

second it can not be named, be/cos it's not yet fully known, ETC,

A name is nothing to a "force"......if knowledge is incomplete that doesn't change having a name.....so what name should we call this "force"?
bonus question.. is it a physical force?

Jameselias:
@ davien, no i'm not saying the x factor, or God factor, should be untestable, on the contrary, it should be,
i'm saying that we have already known much of God but not all, and the all, can not be known, hence the X, (GOD) factor, only that religionist's are confusing us with amtropomorphism,
davien, i think we are basicaly saying the same thing, but since u don't want to use the word or term 'GOD'
can u pls tell us what u rather ( we ) call the unknown (GOD) factor, the X,

really, how does your concept deviate from anthropomorphism?

Beamborla:
It becomes wrong when we bring religion, custom and tradition into it. Remove those three and it's just like every other profession.

No,emotional,physically,mentally and clinically it's wrong....How?

Well emotional the profession exploits the emotions needed to procreate and turns it into profit....more like a few naira for a few minites of "happy time"..

Physically it isn't appropriate to have relations with different genres of people with different lengths of their members that could lead to an irregular vagin.al shape or even make it lose it's elasticity....plus the necessity to satisfy the fetish of each customer(which may include bruising)

Mentally having relations with different people without the emotional attachments can lead to a life of social and sexual disinterest...

Clinically it paves way for sexually transmitted diseases and could lead to new forms of diseases(in regions that permit the consumption and interaction of our genetic cousins...I.e chimps)

Binb:
Arabic numerals!

The arabs did quite a lot....most forms of mathematics still bear the prefix "al-"

jdilight:
You don't need to follow the mythology but God created all things good and bad.

That is the mythology....that specificly the christian deity made everything.

Jameselias:
Deities(gods) are still within the range or definition of manifested phenomena but what should be called a GOD is that which is, unmanifeste,
underlining the manifestation of all phenomena and realities (gods included) in all dimensions

Note this question,how do you know this?...not believe this,but how do you demonstrably know this

@ davien spin and quarks are effect not a cause ,

Okay then tell me what causes "spin and quarks"?

they are caused by something,

which is?

what that thing is, is the X,

Labelling an unknown is the first step in science,now any hypotheses to test it?

the X factor, the unknown, the unseen, unmanifest, the X factor, or the GOD factor still holds, weither u like it, or not,

So you stop at the labelling part and leave it untested?
Imagine a school built on your reasoning 2+2=X, X=unknown digit, unknown digit= genie factor.. genie factor is real whether you like it or not.

the known is only a drop in the ocean of the unknown.
Get it!

True...that doesn't mean the unknown should be filled with untestable assumptions.....one can only progress once one knows or has knowledge of an unknown....If we didn't know about inertia and other physical phenomena how would we build rockets? or locomotive devices properly?

gatiano:
To answer this questions, we will go into the science of religion(theology), basic science of creation.
You may end up calling me demented or delude, nonetheless, i would say the little that i know. If you are non-black, its going to hurt, if you sympathize for non-black people, it is going to hurt you, if you hate yourself and you are black, it may hurt you but will definitely help you. If you want to be white in your next life, it will hurt you. but know that this is not racism, and not hate but the truth.

Genesis- Gene means genes as it is in biology, the surfix "sis" means action, conditions etc, Thus genesis means the history of the conditions or actions of gene.
Biology teaches you that the black is the most dorminant and the lighter are recessive.

Black people have both dorminant and recessive genes, if the recessive gene is stronger than the dorminant, that is an albino. An albino has both genes.
Non-black people have only recessive gene, no dorminant gene atall in them, if they had, they would be able to give birth to a dorminant baby (black).

It is the making of a recessive people from the dorminant people is what the book of genesis is all about, but the recessive people retwisted it to hide their true nature.
Let US make man in OUR own image, and let US give him dorminion over the fishes of the sea, birds of the air and everything on land. but not out of the atmosphere.

This us and our were dorminant gened men and women, black people. 60,000 in number. This made man is weak and wicked and his real name is devil. and the head of the 60,000 is called Yakub/Jacob and his name later was change by the Elders to Yahweh, together with the rest 60,000 are called Eloheim.

Why make such a people?

The blackman and the blackwoman has been existing already for trillion upon trillion years that we can't count. The black people are an eternal people, we can't die. And the blackman was always good and righteous, he is a man of peace, his nature is goodness.
Yet everything exists in GOD(black people), if there is upward, then there is downward. dorminant is good and all of good quality, recessive is weak, thus can submit easily into conforming into wickedness and filthiness. GOD has been living for trillion upon trillions of years, he knew there was evil, now he had to experience it. for him to do that, he has to forget about who he is. Then he went into work 50,000 years ago to surpress the dorminant gene so that the recessive can show up front. it took 44,000 years to dement and disfigure ourselves, we were an average of 7.5 ft tall, lived up to 7000 years and our population is supremely controlled at 1 billion 8 million equally divided half between male and female. we moved away from civilization and we stpped educating our children till we forgot everything about us, not all of us anyways(168 of us remained intact till this day and more already are waking up now). Even at this level, we could not do evil by ourselves, we had to graft from ourselves a new people 6000 years ago. 4 different kind of people which took 666 years.

The 24 Elders(12 blackmen, 12 blackwomen) inspired yakub, and he did. when he said i am going to make a new people, they replied him "what are you going to make other than that which will cause chaos and destruction?" He answered, i know what you know not, nevertheless, i will make them.
What would you call that who on purpose want to cause chaos? they called him "satan". but since he was inspired by the Elders, and he realized what he has done, his name changed to Yahweh(wrong pronounciation), the true pronounciation will sound like a name from Badagry which means GOD of the light skinned races.

If the age of a regular blackman is 7000 years, that means the non-black will exist physically for 7000 years. so they would use 6000 years for doing evil, and the rest 1000 years, they would pay for their crimes, while the black people will begin their re-education back into their real self.
The coming of Yahweh is what we are reminded of as black people, and warning to non-black people to change for good so that they may have everlasting life. not eternal life. You as a blackman is a re-incarnation of one of the original creators who created the universe and the first earth.
so count the black people on this earth, we are not more than 1 billion 8 million, we may be less, not more.
black science is "to know is to be. to learn about a thing is to be that thing" to learn what evil is, we had to experiences first hand, all of us 1B8M have done just that. GOD fears nothing.

So you're insinuating that I'm the same colour as your deity?
Is that going to make me feel better about the doctrines allowance of slavery?
Would that justify the evil actions done in the name of it? black/white it doesn't change its impact on people, the missionaries who riddled their lives over it, to the slave masters that enforced it...to the current Nigerian that burn anyone accused of being a witch....does colour change any of that?

Jameselias:
@ davien, consider that at the sub atomic level neutron and electron are said to carry positve and negative charges respectively,

okay....

now the question is, from where or what is the cause of this electrical charges found at that level, non knows,
see...,

Actually the spin and quark configurations determine what a sub-atomic particle is....and to say where it came from is both nonsensical and inapplicable,energy to us seems like it comes from places(like the sun) but what most people don't know is that energy is everywhere....constantly being rearranged into matter,heat,work,etc...
And that space is merely a phenomena that allows objects to be located in 3(x,y,t) points...
So your question is nonsensical because sub-atomic particles(in atoms) form not from "locations" but anywhere that allows such things to physically exist and interact I.e space

GOD becomes the unseen, unknown underlining force behind all manifested phenomena or relities,

If "god" is unknown how do you know it well enough to list its properties? and does this "force" have a gender?(something only physical things possess I.e by definition)

noting happens without a cause,

Oh so what caused "god" then? or is "god" used as special pleading to break the chain of infinite regress?

Can you try googling virtual particles that apparently pop in and out of existence without cause?...
what caused them?...
should we assume an unseem virtual particles genie behind the occurrence?

we all, including modern science, see the effect and manifestation of electricity but non knows what the force or cause under lining this electricity actually is,
thus my definition still stands.

The source of your electricity would be what it is derived from....so to us,it would be from a dam....but to put it in physical terms....electrons are the cause and manipulation of electricity..
The point is we know a lot better about electricity than "god",we manipulate,test and can even measure it....can you say the same for "god"?