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Hiswordxray:
Living in lies is tricking yourself to believe something you know that is not true.
Like telling yourself that there is no God when you know that he exist.

When would you come out of that lie you are hiding yourself?

You can ask pre-concluded questions all day,it would only display your inability to bear the burden of proof..
I know nothing of "god/gods",it is very evident in my comments...the mythologies and claims regarding "god/gods" is what I do know..the same with claims about reptilian beings on the moon.
So you can keep having faith or rather tricking yourself that I have faith like you do or honestly bear the burden of proof,your call.

Hiswordxray:
My faith in God had made a lot of things true. I have seen impossible things happen in my life simply because I have faith in God.
Faith may not be a good method of deriving knowledge but faith in God is the best way of getting knowledge as well as wisdom.

Please try to think things through before commenting,if you cannot derive knowledge by faith,then how can you obtain it by faith in something... interchanging derive with obtain doesn't suddenly change what faith is(I.e a re-affirmation of things not known to be true but held as true)
And if I asked you for these impossible events..you'd most likely mention miracles of which I cannot verify,or is there a way to induce and/or test one?

Atheists hate "god"?... Yet again another straw-man by another theist still desperately trying to rationalize atheists with his beliefs..
I don't hate any "god/gods" because I lack a belief in all of them..
As far as I know allah is non-existent...so is yahweh,so is sango,so is lucifer,so is xenu,so is krishna,so is thor,etc..

Faith is tricking yourself to believe something you otherwise wouldn't believe..

Weah96:
He detects it by using his sixth sense, the one we lack.
"I see dead people," remember?

lol..

shadowgwalker:
it's good you know what 'faith ' is but is unfortunate you still hope on the truth from your so-called research.
I work by my faith, I don't need your kind of 'research '. like you've done any, you also believe the research of a part, dead man.

It is the research of a lot of dead people that progressed mankind into the technologically advanced age it is today...
If everyone sat down and decided the world was too complicated for them to ever understand and hence needed only theological concepts then you and I would still have a lifespan of 20 years.
The difference between me and you is that I sincerely go after accurate knowledge or one that is the best model that evidence points to.
And if you indeed worked by faith you'd be a wanderer just like "jesus"(allegedly) no need to worry about food or accomodation.

Hiswordxray:
The claim of anything spiritual is hard to prove to spiritual dead people because "But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." (1Cor2:14)
But the problem is why do they keep asking for profe when they know they can't see it even when it's dancing in front of them?

And how do you detect it,by faith in a holy book?
Faith is not a method to derive accurate knowledge....you can look at a stone and have faith that it created the universe,faith won't suddenly make it true..

shadowgwalker:
hahaha!!you are speaking with one! I make a decree and it happens!A king is one with great authority. well, I have that because I am seated right there with the King of kings, I am joint heirs with Christ Jesus.
I can only talk about myself, there are a thousand and million other kings out there! I know you are confused right now! yeah ... want you to be. but to make this easy for you, do a research with only a Holy Bible.

That is a confirmation bias...not research...cross-confirmation is needed in claims like the bible...otherwise you are merely restating an already held belief.
You can read harry potter on it's own all day long,it won't make hogwards a real place.
If that is the kind of "research" you mean,then i simply won't do it,because it is 100% dishonest.
If a book makes an extraordinary claim....then it cannot be validated on its own claims and appeals...that is why you employ faith..because you have no sound reason to validate it.

shadowgwalker:
yeah, you don't have to question... but hey! they do ask questions in weekly meetings.

how many people questions a king when he makes a decree?

And who is the king in this scenerio?..you simply impose that position to sway any questions...show me "the king" and not the claims about a king and we'd atleast agree on something...
Even still we don't live in the middle ages anymore....kings and queens are relics of dogmatic civilizations where the king is virtually the dictator...you can't compare that to a democracy built and founded by the average people whom have authority on who should be given power and how to distribute it.

shadowgwalker:
dry maggot!get a life, you need hope!

It's very clear you take your beliefs personal,if that is the case...do not present them in an open arena where you are likely to be responded to with critiques...perhaps a church would be better,atleast nobody in the church would question anyone on the pulpit.

If the universe is a product of something,then it's properties should reflect it...
From typical observation...the universe appears to be infinite,and not in thermal equilibrium(energy is constantly being re-arranged...with each re-arrangement increasing entropy),so it won't be far off if the universe is a product of a 4th dimensional brane(as proposed by string theorists)..so in essence we may just be a product of self existent forces and dimensions that are alien to our basic euclidean geometric model of reality...perhaps where particles seemingly pop in and out of existence like virtual particles.

Shawl001:
†☺ those committed †☺ God...jes wanna remind you dat, #you can never convince a monkey †☺ stop eating banana..# so are those critics out here. D̶̲̥̅̊ε̲̣̣̣̥γ̲̣̣̥'ve been blinded by the god øƒ this world. They can't see nor ear...so aw will D̶̲̥̅̊ε̲̣̣̣̥γ̲̣̣̥ reason...what a pity!

So you can reason with stories of a global flood,talking snakes and donkeys,magical fruits and a woman being spontaneously generated from a rib?!

honourhim:
All these ones you are complaining is not the solution. Fear cannot save you. Only Jesus can save you if you want. If you don't want then that's for you. I'm not forcing you to believe bro. Only time will tell you if you ve taken the right step now.

Proselytizing to me won't change my view of your position...

honourhim:
Bro If its a threat to you its not a threat to me and some others. And whether you feel its a threat or not doesn't change anything about it.

It does change something....you have already accepted it as a fact....so to you, you'd not notice the emotional blackmail involved....threats are not a valid way of getting to know people.....my father didn't relate with me via threats...so how is it that this "ultimate father" of yours relates using threats?..that is purely egotistic and manipulative...

I have no problem with it being based on a real person(though no evidence supports this), its the claims of divinity that are harder to prove...

Proffdada:
I like the funny way he interpreted his own understanding of the bible,he takes everything literally and tries to analyze and question God. but he acknowledges God's presence. to sum it up he's not an atheist but Godphobile lolz

He provided verses that explicitly stated the actions depicted...

honourhim:
Kindly show me where the book of revelation mentioned tree of the knowledge of good and evil as it was mentioned in Genesis among the many trees planted in the garden.

Also kindly show me where God promised us that there will be no evil,no pain, no tears, no death, no sorrow in this present world forever as he promised for the new heaven and new earth.

There is no such verse...you are requesting a red herring, I've already asked the basic question, how do you know that the tree its not among the different kinds there was the question...

honourhim:
Bro can you change what is on ground? No. You have only two options- heaven or lake of fire, choose one. Even if we argue it till ages to come it can't change anything. Choose heaven for your own good. God help you.

Again,how is this not a threat?....pay me or die,choose freely and worship me or burn,choose freely..

OLAADEGBU:
Your source should be taken with a pinch of salt as it is hosted by skeptics who are enemies of the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. The fact that America is now doing it's best to replace Christianity with secular beliefs and ideologies does not mean that the truth can be silenced by the removal of Bibles and prayers from institutions. They even incarcerate whoever stands in their way, the way they indicted the folk who recorded the murder of Eric Gardner on his mobile phone, they even went for his wife. Links as the one you posted and snopes are all set up for serving this devious purpose.

Wow! wikipedia is an enemy of jesus christ?! perhaps I should write down kent hovinds' prison ward number
I never knew you were the conspiracy theorist type....anyway,america was never founded on christian values...nor any other religious values..

honourhim:
Words of the scripture makes us to be sure there wont be.

Really but won't the "tree of life" be there?( note: read Revelations 22:2 ) and then read Ezekiel 47:12;

"Fruit trees of all kinds will grow on both banks of the river. Their
leaves will not wither, nor will their fruit fail. Every month they will
bear fruit, because the water from the sanctuary flows to them.
Their fruit will serve for food and their leaves for healing."

So how do you know the "tree of good and evil" isn't one of the different kinds there?...placed to run another massacre on "earth 2.0"?

honourhim:
It is Jesus that makes the change in a bad person not hell fire. Hell fire is purely for for those who reject Jesus. Why bother yourself about hell when you can embrace Jesus and escape from it?

In other words..why not pay the mob boss threatening you than die,right?
Because that is what you are basically saying....that "god" comes down and says
"heck of a life you got there,would be a shame if you had to burn in hell for eternity wouldn't it?....tell you what,believe in my son here and you're gonna be okay". ..is that "just"?

How is a freewill choice between one evil and another a good thing?...that is blackmail,not a life preserver..

How are christians sure that on the "new earth" another "tree of good and evil" won't be there?...perhaps as a trilogy to the "freewill" saga...needing another "jesus 2.0"? lol

Shawl001 does heaven and hell have anything in common with reality?

Shawl001:
. U̶̲̥̅̊ c ur life...U̶̲̥̅̊ think say na film U̶̲̥̅̊ D̶̲̥̅̊ε̲̣̣̣̥γ̲̣̣̥ watch...dis is reality bro... Well, its more or less like dis: God say: Follow ♏ε̲̣, love ♏ε̲̣, do my will, cos' my will can give you eternal life..... Satan say: follow ♏ε̲̣, do my will, aπϑ we both end in Hell... Its as simple as dat.. Jes obey God, aπϑ eternal life in Heaven is urs! #shikena# nothing like, wish or no will...jes obey aπϑ Love Him with everything you've got.

And the rules of that were approved by "god",no?

Shawl001:
. So, U̶̲̥̅̊ re implying, God's wish is Bad... Den y would God create U̶̲̥̅̊s a free-will agents? If we can make decisions ourselves, den y can't we decide †☺ go †☺ Heaven, since its our decision abi God can override our decision too...#mtcheeew#.. U̶̲̥̅̊ guys are pointless, instead øƒ U̶̲̥̅̊ †☺ be thinking øƒ ending ur life in heaven, a place above sorrow aπϑ pain, U̶̲̥̅̊ re thinking øƒ something else. U̶̲̥̅̊ should be more concern about tuning ur WiLL in line †☺ Heaven.... #TeamHeavenByGod'sGrace#

Do you know what causes pain?

frank317:
Exactly... And this begs the question, CAN ANYTHING GO AGAINST GOD'S WISH?

reality sure does...

Shawl001:
. Oh common, pay what? All what God asks in return is a heart committed †☺ Him which is very possible. God is no longer after Ɣ☺U̶̲̥̅̊я or my righteousness, cos' Jesus as made U̶̲̥̅̊s righteous thru His death aπϑ shedding øƒ blood. God no longer judge U̶̲̥̅̊s by our sin, if only you av accepted Jesus, but if U̶̲̥̅̊ avn't, dats when U̶̲̥̅̊ keep thriving †☺ be righteous on Ɣ☺U̶̲̥̅̊я own, which is impossible... That's ℓ̊ lean on Jesus †☺ help ♏ε̲̣ through, cos' ℓ̊ can't be righteous on my own... #TeamJesus#

So what do I have freewill for if I either have to commit or burn?...just like the mafia boss who you either pay him or die..

Shawl001:
. In the real sense, Hell isn't ƒσя man, its ƒσя the devil aπϑ his cohorts. But, the devil has made it his job †☺ pack as many as he can along with him. So, that's why, God had †☺ make a plan †☺ redeem man from the hand øƒ the devil, by sending His only son †☺ die aπϑ shed His blood ƒσя the remission øƒ sin ƒσя all human race. So, God doesn't want anybody †☺ go †☺ hell, buh one can choose †☺ go.. So forget about the notion øƒ; "There's no Hell, its jes a plan †☺ make U̶̲̥̅̊s scared"...... ℓ̊ tell you, HELL is scarily real. It does exist. .. #TeamHeaven#

Before using your basic apologetics consider this..
according to christianity,"god" gave the rules of redemption,hell,salvation,heaven(i.e how to get there) etc
So saying "god" doesn't plan for people to go to "hell" is false since nothing goes against "god's" wishes....
It's like a mafia boss threatening you with a gun,who creates a condition where you either pay him and get "protection" or choose to die...
what you are basically saying in light of my analogy is that anyone that refused to pay committed suicide....

davien:
Samson Da Barbarian


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRh7W-Bsg5g

Part 2


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Gombs:
They'd be judged by their conscience, for every society has been guided by laws of good and evil.

So of what use is faith in "jesus" if its irrelevant?...

Romans 2:14-16
MSG
16When outsiders who have never heard of God's law follow it more or less by instinct, they confirm its truth by their obedience. They show that God's law is not something alien, imposed on us from without, but woven into the very fabric of our creation. There is something deep within them that echoes God's yes and no, right and wrong. Their response to God's yes and no will become public knowledge on the day God makes his final decision about every man and woman. The Message from God that I proclaim through Jesus Christ takes into account all these differences.

Your "god's law" advocates slavery,the denigration of women,bigotry,racism,the stoning of unruly children,killing of homosexuals and alleged witches etc...those are not ethical concepts in the slightest bit of reasoning....nor are prone to revision...this is why humans make laws,not "god/gods"..

You my friend, nor any other have no excuse(s)

So instead of facing your challenged beliefs you hide under the straw man that I am merely making "excuses"?...so if i'd ask how one could cure leprosy by sprinkling the infected with bird's blood as alleged in the bible I would simply be giving an excuse because it's medically sound to you?

Atheist claim their morality os based on reasoning, from the above, we see that God's law is not something alien, but we're hardwired with it from creation.

Nature doesn't scream out benevolent...instead we see the opposite...

IanDiamonds:
Now that you seems to be gettin' it... Why'd they tag the title "Chemists Create Artificial Evolution For The First Time."?

It's as though you ignore the fact that science mimics natural processes....hence we could make artificial limbs,artificial inner ears(cochlea),artificial crystals,etc
So slandering the process simply because it is "artificial" and you think it isn't natural is a non sequitor..

Nice article..