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Papa Edwin Clark abeg just stay your lane, no use us play.

Which one be "I am neither APC nor PDP"


You are neither APC nor PDP in the day time

but completely PDP at night time.

Governors have always had this sense of entitlement in this country.

You give them a 4 year mandate, they tell you it must be 8.


I always wonder what sort of lawyer Wike is.

Leaving the issues of certicicates aside,

Refusal of Obaseki to swear in 15 duly elected fellow APC members of the House of Asemly amounts to gross anti-party activities.

An expulsion from the party would have been very just.

Everyone is just focussing on Obaseki,

And What about the 14 lawmakers who won elections to represent their constituencies but where denied by one man?

I still cannot wrap my head around what the hell is really going on!

Deontay Wilder threw his punch at Tyson Fury and missed. Fury threw his own punch and knocked down Wilder.
People are blaming Fury for knocking down Wilder.
What sort of logic is this?


Obaseki used his power as Governor to probe and indict Oshiomole.
Obaseki used his power as Governor to attempt removing Oshiomole as APC National Chairman.

Oshiomole now used his own power as APC National Chairman to stop Obaseki from becoming Edo candidate.


What exactly are people wailing about?

Agboriotejoye:
And Oshiomole? Is he any better?
Did he not also do same when he was there? Does it not amount to barefaced hypocrisy to praise Oshiomole for ending the Anenih and Ogbemudia dynasties and starting his with Kabaka and Co while flogging Obaseki for trying to do same? Does Oshiomole have a license to loot that Obaseki does not have?
Note that I have chosen not to contest your accusations against Obaseki but showed you that you can't denounce Obaseki while supporting Oshiomole using your logic. It amounts to barefaced, lily-livered hypocrisy.
Oshiomole in 2010 and 2014 praised then President Jonathan for not interfering in Edo state by supporting Anenih &co with federal might. It's that same federal might that he is intending to use against Obaseki now.

lol

I really don't see why you getting a bit edgy and insultive.

Point out the place where I supported Oshiomole?

Where in all my posts did I support Oshiomole's Godfatherism?
I didn't not say anything about Adams, I am only against demonizing Adams to pamper Obaseki in one fell swoop.

Relax man, they don't know us both. No one is paying us.

Relax!!

Agboriotejoye:
I don't agree with that relationship. Ambode had no base because he chose not to. Have you asked yourself why Ambode failed where Fashola succeeded? Do you realize the present Dep gov in Lagos is from not from Tinubu's camp? Having a base does not necessarily mean you dislodge your godfather. It means you have your own men who can swim or sink with you. I tell you, Ambode banked his ambition on Tinubu. He fought, maligned and alienated everyone thinking that at the appropriate time, Tinubu will give him a go ahead for being a good boy regardless of how he's treated others. That's why Tinubu made the statement that "no more Baba s'ope". If Ambode had Fashola or Muiz Banire's group by his side at least, he would have something to bank on when Tinubu turned against him. Go and check his moves when it became obvious Tinubu was not going to endorse him flatly. He started doing what he ought to have started his govt with.

You seem to blame godsons for the existence of godfathers. Again, that's wrong. I think you should agree there's nothing basically wrong in approaching a superior mortal for help in achieving a goal. We all do it in life to get ahead. More sweeter if the mortal chooses you by himself as his favourite. Where it turns sour is after you get there and the fellow wants you to become his puppet whereby you can do nothing without his consent. Only a dummy will allow that. That's what godfatherism entails. No one can call Buhari a godfather in the north because while most of the govs ascended by virtue of his popularity in 2015, he did not go about petering them since then. Instead he left them to do as they deem fit and answer to the electorates. I hope you can then see the difference between a Tinubu and a Buhari who is even more influential.

If Obaseki chooses to share Edo money, he should answer to the electorates and not to Oshiomole. If Oshiomole gets rid of him, it's obvious then that whoever replaces him has no choice but to share Edo money to Oshiomole. In that scenario, I think it is preferable to have Obaseki share the money elsewhere than to keep feeding Oshiomole who has already fed himself for eight years. If it's chop I chop politics we want then let it go round. No one should have monopoly of the cake!!

This is getting into a cyclic conversation.

Lastly;

When I say Obaseki is sharing money I am not talking about the masses who don't have jobs and can't feed.

I am talking about cronies, family and friends who are already worth billions.

Obaseki is a typical example of politicians who will be chopping at the same time screaming and playing victim.
I'm not falling for it.

Agboriotejoye:
You seem to now agree that Obaseki was right to take up a fight against Oshiomole. One wonders why you've been mocking him for taking that position previously, though it's good you've arrived at where you are now no matter how long it took you.

Now let's look at the Ambode vs Tinubu scenario. First of, let it be known that Tinubu holds massive influence in Lagos especially and only a modicum or should I say tidbit influence in the rest of the SW. Let's look at the facts

Ogun APC. Dapo Abiodun's victory can be given to Tinubu but not that of his predecessor Amosun who has always been popular in Ogun and served as a senator under ANPP
Oyo. PDP. Definitely no Tinubu here. His predecessor Ajimobi chose to align with Tinubu but was never a Tinubu boy being of the ANPP stock. He was senator 2003-7 under ANPP
Osun. APC. Tinubu might be said to be very influential here but that is due to Aregbesola's influence not himself. As Aregbe's influence wittles, so will Tinubu's too.
Ondo APC. Of course everyone knows Aketi has no business with Tinubu. He is his own man anyday anytime. PDP even won the presidential in that state.
Ekiti. APC. JKF used to be aligned to Tinubu from their NADECO days but has since parted ways when Tinubu overreached himself.

Note that Akeredolu is SW governors' forum chairman while JKF is NGF chairman. Both are not answerable to Tinubu so you can see that while Tinubu has influence in the SW, it's not almost equal with Buhari's in the north. It's very far from it.

Now to the Ambode matter. While it's no secret that Tinubu installed Ambode governor in 2015, it's also obvious that Ambode never had a base of his own neither did he sought to have one. He was simply banking on being a good boy and getting the blessing of Baba to do his 8 years. Note that in all the sins he was reputed to have committed, going against Tinubu was never part of it. Which begs the question why Tinubu did not support him for a second term. The answer is simple. Forget all the ramblings around. Tinubu has a lot of interests to satisfy to keep his house intact. So it will be hard for him to just seat by for 8 years for someone to be governor. He must make sure all his troops are in steady state. If Ambode had warmed himself into the minds of some of those interests before 2019, believe me, Tinubu won't have been able to stop him. Same happened with Fashola but Tinubu had to slow down when it was obvious other blocs under him were all for Fashola's continuance. That's where Ambode failed. He believed too much in Tinubu and same failed him at the critical moment as godfathers are wont to do.
That's why I said Ambode is the harbinger of his own downfall by putting all his eggs in Tinubu's basket.

Besides that, it beggars belief why a politically enlightened fellow like you will be in support of godfatherism. Let me ask. Do you really think godfatherism can bring the kind of positive development we all hope for in this country? If so, can you show an example of godfatherism that benefitted the state in the long run?

Just to pick on a few points.

Ambode didn't have a base because he had an extremely powerful Godfather.

The more powerful the godfather the less powerful the godson.

Also the less powerful the godfather the more powerful the godson.

It is most definitely an inverse relationship.


I am definitely not in support of Godfatherism.

What I am against is spiting the godfather and celebrating the godson.

Like I've always maintained there would be godfathers if people are not willing to be Godsons.

We have Godfathers in the system because they cut corners and do illegal things to install their Godsons and the Godsons enjoy it all.

And make no mistakes about it;
You hear Obaseki telling us that his quarrel with Oshiomole is because Oshiomole wants him to share Edo money with him but he wants to use Edo money to develop Edo date.

Take it from me that is nonsense!

Obaseki is refusing to share money to Oshiomole, very true.
But Obaseki himself has definitely formed another group of people that he is sharing Edo money to.

He has started forming his own political dynasty and grooming Godsons.

Don't let any governor or politician tell you that "they told me to share money and I refused."

Trust me He is sharing it somewhere else!

Agboriotejoye:
Seems you didn't read my first post. Of course he lost. There's no shame in losing. The shame is in abandoning your dignity and begging which would have still led to the same result anyway like Ambode's case showed. No godfather wants a godson to achieve like him. Go and check it. Tinubu never wanted Fashola to do a second term. I hope you know that. OBJ who played a major role in enthroning GEJ played a major role in his downfall in 2015. There's nothing a godson can do to be perfect in a godfather's eyes to warrant a second term.

Ambode couldn't stand up to Tinubu because he put all his eggs in Tinubu's basket. Heck even his deputy couldn't support him.
Edo not being Lagos is not Obaseki's fault. It's the fault of Lagos politicians who have chosen to feed from Tinubu's hands like a bunch of chickens. You can't decide what Obaseki's response would be if he were in Lagos. What we know from what we've seen is that he's putting up a fight which Ambode did not do.

P.S. Tinubu held Lagos for 8 years too except you mean the others he enthroned at which oshiomole's count will also go up to 12. Mind you, oshiomole fought bigger fishes to "take over" Edo state which Tinubu never had to do in wrapping Lagos inside moin moin leaves.

Tinubu has been running Lagos since 1999.
That's 21 years my bad. So his influence is extra ordinary, it even transcends the whole of the South West.

In terms of political influence, Tinubu is almost to SW what Buhari Is to the North.

Comparing Oshiomole's Godfather rep to Tinubu's Godfather rep is like comparing Nigeria to America or comparing Giroud to Messi or comparing 1 million naira to 1 million dollars.

In terms of percentages I would say;

Obaseki to Oshimole is like 40 to 60.
Ambode to Tinubu is like 10 to 90.

Sensible People take on opponents they have a chance against. Only foolish people go up against an opponent they have no chance against; like Bash Ali challenging Mike Tyson to a heavy weight bout.

Obaseki going against Oshiomole is not close to standing up to a bully or having big balls.

There is not a gulf in power between them. Oshiomole was there for 8 and Obaseki for 4.

Besides Obaseki has always had the superiority complex that the Benin people of the Centre think that they have got over the Etsako people of the North.
I could imagine a number of Benin people telling him "how can you let a minority Etsako man control you"

In summary;

Edo is not Lagos
Adams is not Tinubu

Obaseki versus Oshiomole is like Neymar versus Messi
While;

Ambode versus Tinubu is like Tammy Abraham versus Messi.

They are not the same!

Agboriotejoye:
I'm sure you're not the referee to decide the rules for him to use in fighting his personal battles. Just because he didn't lick oshiomole's boots as you would prefer does not mean he can't get others on his side. Reading igbokwe's piece on obaseki's visit to Tinubu, it's easy to see it was not a begging mission as you put it.
Maybe it shows Edo politicians are made of much sterner stuff than the herd mentality that exists in Lagos. You really can't blame obaseki if Lagos politicians decide to line up behind Tinubu. Everything is based on choice

Firstly the initial battle between Obaseki and Oshiomole was the battle for THE APC TICKET.

Obaseki's battle was to clinch the APC TICKET that is why he tried to remove Adams as APC chair.

Do you agree that Obaseki has lost the battle to Oshomole?

The issue of the PDP ticket is a different ball game entirely.

Obaseki has lost the first battle to Oshiomole.

DO YOU AGREE?


Obaseki could never have acted like Ambode because as you always say;

Edo is not Lagos
Oshiomole is not Tinubu

Tinubu has held Lagos for 25 years.
Oshiomole held Edo for only 8 years.

If Obaseki was in Lagos and he was Ambode he wouldn't do better.

Agboriotejoye:
I have not seen a picture of him on his knees begging those you mentioned above. If you have let me see it. That said, it's a true m rudimentary tactic in war to woo as many people to your side as possible. That's not called begging. That's called politicking and diplomacy.
What is not in doubt is that he's giving oshiomole a good fight, such that even if he loses, at least everyone knows how it all went down.
That's what I expect you as a youth to learn. There's no shame in losing. It's how you lose that makes the difference.
People like you might have even accused Mohammed lawal of blessed memory of being a fool for fighting late Saraki. I'm sure twelve years down the line, we can all see who lost more between him and Kwara state.

Let Obaseki stay in Edo and fight instead of turning himself into Christopher Columbus.

There is a very fine line between this diplomacy and begging. The man Is begging period.

Also if Obaseki has 99 percent of the assembly members against him like Ambode, he would have long gone to sleep.

Agboriotejoye:
In ur warped mindset, yes he is. It is better to die on your knees begging than on your feet fighting your oppressors. Gandhi and Mandela are just a bunch of rabble rousers.

1. Begging Tinubu to intervene

2. Begging Buhari to intervene

3. Begging Governors' forum to intervene.

4. Begging South South governors to intervene.


This is your own method of fighting your oppressors

Edosir:
Edo people fight to death they don't chicken out like afonja cowards.

1. Begging Tinubu to intervene

2. Begging Buhari to intervene

3. Begging Governors' forum to intervene.

4. Begging South South governors to intervene.


This is your own idea of fighting till death

This one is still running from pillar to post.


Is Ambode really not better than this one?

ospido:
I know you're not familiar with Edo politics right? Didn't Oshomhole do exactly the same thing to Zakawanu Garba the erstwhile Edo speaker and his other colleagues during Oshomhole's first tenure as Edo state governor?
So who is a saint in all of these political developments? Oshomhole? SMH.

Neither of them is a saint.

Must one of them be a saint?

They are both devils actually.
But what a lot of people have been trying to do is to call Obaseki the saint and call Oshiomole the devil.



Wrt my post, what I find really nauseating (which you are inadvertently trying to support) is the fact that someone is trying to justify a governor refusing to swear in 14 democratically elected lawmakers.

This is how we roll with our future enemies in real life without knowing it.

Wiseandtrue:
All these because Obaseki refused to inaugurate 14 members-elect appointed of the State House of Assembly

Which would have rendered Obaseki a puppet thereby reducing his performance to the people!!!

These aftermath only shows that Oshiomole is hell bent on being the godfather in Edo

His ego will be the downfall of APC in Edo State!!!

So an elected governor has got the right to refuse to inaugurate democratically elected representatives because he does not want to be a puppet?

Wow!

Just heard another one today.

Behold our leaders of tomorrow!.

TLona1:
They said Ronaldo is the first billionaire to miss a penalty.

Hehehehehehehe

Trolling no good ooh

I have noticed a trend.

As soon as wailers and IPob's notice that any of Buhari's very close assocites falls out with any party member, they immediately adopt that party member as the son in whom they are well pleased;

Like Obaseki, Like Ambode, Like Magnus Abe, Like Sheu Sani;

And then slow and steady, they push that person to his doom!

Heffalump:
It will get to a point where Oshiomhole will find it difficult to step his foot in Edo State, not to talk of Benin the capital.

Those ass lickers that questioned Obaseki's guts by breaking free from perpetual slavery don't know the damaged reputation Oshiomhole has in the State yet

Oshiomole can't step into Edo?

You must be hallucinating.


Obaseki could only pull that stunt as a governor in the ruling party.

As soon as he joins PDP all security bosses in the state will switch their loyalty. To APC and Oshiomole.
Army GOC; DSS boss; CP.

Instruction will come from Abuja.

Oshiomole will even stroll all over Benin.

Nigerians are now more divided across political lines than geographical.

Those who support the political party currently in power are more flexible about power rotation to the South.

Those who are support the party current out of power would not mind the North retaining power for another 1millioun years as long as their party grabs the power.

The summary is that the President needs to check his family.

It seems that the President has got many of his extended family members working as his staff.

These are the problems that come with mixing work and family.

lonelydora:
You see? To all those who think Wike and Amaechi are cat and dog, you all will soon be disappointed.

One day, we will hear of their "reconciliation" while drinking champagne in a Dubai hotel.


Stop killing yourselves for politicians.

True

One day some "elders" will settle them.

Especially after Wike's tenure.

2 fighting.
Obaseki and Oshiomole are fighting.

Obaseki tried to sack Oshiomole as APC chairman.
Obaseki tried to send Oshiomole to jail by probing his hospital project.

Oshiomole fought and stopped Obaseki from being APC's flag bearer for Edo.


I cannot understand how people are angry with Oshiomole about this!

elohim24:
Nope... that one is Dr. Gaius Jackson Obaseki. He's from Edo also and he will be remembered for spending about 640million to lodge in Transcorp Hilton throughout his tenure as NNPC GMD

Hehehehehe

What a legacy.

SaintChukz:
[s]Everything you've written up there did not answer a single question I asked. Politics is a game of strategy as well as of numbers. If you know the level of hatred Edo people have had for the PDP since the days of Lucky Igbinedion. You'd quickly throw away that blackmailing philosophy of yours into the gutters.

I'm telling you right now that the only consideration the Edo people might have for the PDP coming back to power in the state is an Obaseki candidacy. There are some persons in that PDP whom Edo people had sworn against that never again will they ever be given the chance to put the state to ruin. If you like put all the 3 candidates PDP has together, Obaseki still has a greater fighting chance to win back Edo for the PDP.

You forget something here. In Nigerian politics, there is no 100% loyal party faithful when it comes to juicy opportunities like this.. They are all for their own personal and selfish interests and nothing less[/s].

A full page of gibberish.

Haven't you noticed that am not arguing who will win and who will not with you?

I am only concerned about the master/slave example given earlier.

If you're lost go back and trace the previous posts.

Thank you.

SaintChukz:
Who are the 3 guys that have been screened in the PDP? What is their pedigree compared to an Obaseki who has been tested and at least proven ok by the Nigerian standard for politicians.

Do you realize of all the politicians currently available for the Edo seat. Obaseki is the only technocrati amongst them, the others are rogues and chop-i-chop politicians with nothing good to offer Edo people.

Please let Edo people decide fully for themselves. It is not a matter of being a slave (slave to who really?) to another. Obaseki has strutures and the apparatus of the State unlike the others and he still wields the power of incumbency at least till November. In Nigerian politics that counts hugely as a gain for any political platform.

Everything you wrote here summarizes the master/slave relationship we are talking about.

1. Pedigree? What pedigree?? PDP did not sell forms to aspirants based on pedigree.

2. Political parties do not have a constitution which says that only people with structures emerge as candidates for elections.

3. Deadline for purchase of forms is long overdue.

4. Screening dates have passed and aspirants have been screened in preparation for the primaries.

5. Party members have served the party for 4 years while Obaseki was at APC enjoying the power handed him in a platter by Oshiomole.

Then all of a sudden PDP brings back Obaseki and give a him the ticket all in the name of a waiver!

If you do not see the master/slave situation here then there's nothing you'd ever see in life.

spiralwedge:
So you think all the people who have been labouring in Edo PDP are mumu. You think they don't have ambitions allll this while. So, a whole set of unstable would now take their from LG upwards just like that. smh

I already know where you are from. You people are poor in political calculations. Politics no be emotions o.

That is what I asked him.

Those who have been labouring for PDP ever since
Why do we call them If Wike and Secondus from faraway Rivers carry the ticket and dash Obaseki?

Are they not slaves?

thaprofit88:
They are not slaves my guy.
Obaseki is the incumbent governor and there is power in incumbency. Obaseki is popular and pdp knows this that’s why Oshiomole has tried to kill him before primaries. That said it will be a win win for pdp because he will bring pdp to power in edo state and he will only serve one term.

That power of incumbency bullshiiit is everything that is wrong with our democracy today.

And If those 3 guys who have been screened allow Obaseki take their ticket then they are nothing but slaves!

APC will not lose Edo.
Especially if Ize Iyanmu gets the ticket.

In terms of grassroots support, Obaseki isn't close to Ize Iyanmu.

Asgard13:
No!

He’s not a slave ...
And will always act as free born.

Can’t understand why this people believe in slave master relationship

A man like you dictates event for you?

Nawao!

He refused to be slave in APC but has gone to PDP to be master!

Now lemme ask you; the 3 candidates who already bought forms under PDP and were screened will be told to drop their ambitions for Obaseki right?

So what do you call those 3 candidates?

Are they not slaves?

Is a man like them not asking them to stop their ambitions?

Hypocrites!!

Lol @ "now we are on the same side"

Now that you are on the same side am sure he just transformed from a devil to a saint.

Fani Kayode is the master of "anywhere belle face" politics.

DEROX:
PAINS

I tell you

Sifia pains

Adegbem01:
Read well, I never said any of them is Saint, but godfatherism and sort are more worst, pdp is certainly corrupt and APC are no better... Am not any party fan nor even Nigeria fan sef, but when some set of people decide to be controlling someone fate or even a states, then they are simply playing "God"

lol

Why does this even seem a tad strange to anybody?

Politicians in Nigeria decamp across political parties on a daily.

Obasanjo told us that if he told us what he knew about Atiku the would will shiver. He endorsed and supported Atiku at end of the day.

Fani Kayode insulted Gej to the high heavens but overnight Jonathan became his jesus.


Why so much ado about Adams calling Ize Iyanmu a thief in 2016 and supporting him in 2020?

Why is any body surprised?

Has this not been the nature of Nigerian politics since time immemorial.

It is it because it is Oshiomole the man they love to hate?