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1025: http://www.totalbarca.com/2011/news/the-ballon-dor-controversy/

http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/soccer/blog/dirty-tackle/post/Sneijder-would-ve-won-2010-Ballon-d-Or-under-old?urn=sow-306318

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/philminshull/2011/01/did_the_wrong_man_win_the_ball.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/philminshull/2011/01/did_the_wrong_man_win_the_ball.html

http://www.redcafe.net/f7/fifa-ballon-dor-2010-voting-list-revealed-318418/

http://www.mundoalbiceleste.com/Article.aspx?id=2197

am sorry if i was writing too much. pls sir, read through these links as they have no other issue apart from the controversies of 2011 player of the year selection. i will be waiting to get a feedback based on my reduced write up. like i said, am sorry about that just that i am loaded to the teeth for this argument.

more like it. Keep it short and simple let's debate and school each other some more.

1025: chelsea ranking does not matter because we have broken a course/jinx of not winning champions league. platini can go ahead and rate chelsea 300 as long as we keep doing great things on the trophy end of it all.
in the same manner players are winning trophies at europe and world cup and messi is busy winning best player.
the ranking that has arsenal in 6th position while man city is at the 28th position. uncle these rankings are based on performances over 5 seasons and not just one season.
if any 2012 ranking will tell me that a barca team that chelsea won at the bridge and held at camp nou is better than chelsea, i will start laughing in the language of the argentines.
2012, chelsea conquered europe and barca is among our victims. if it were to be in the days of slave trade, barca will be cleaning compound and washing dishes at the bridge by now so thank God for the end of slavery.

son, it takes much more than winning a trophy in donkey years to be no 1 because in life and in the english dictionary there is a word 'fluke'. You have to be consistent to be number 1. Every sincere football pundit and fan knows that chelsea winning the uefa was a fluke. Like messi and robben missing their penalties. Live with it son chelsea deserved their semi final spot but against barca if u say barca did not outclass and dominate chelsea completely then u need a reality check.iam sorry partner but your chelsea needs to replicate for at least 3 seasons before any pundit or neutral would take Ithem seriously. I know u don't care, u already said so, but that is the word on the streets son. You nEed to get outta ur living room.

You v succeeded in turning this whole debate up on its head;from the best player argument to telling me how chelsea killed barca, slept with napoli, ate benfica for lunch? Quit quoting what messi said about xavi and co. See, humility is a unique virtue. Only people without such virtue would mistaken it for an admission of defeat. Messi would always tell you how he did not deserve an award and how his teammates deserved that award. That's messi for u. anyway the base line of this debate with you is this; never you say that any player be it messi or not did not deserve an award simply because in your infinite wisdom it should have gone to someone else. Like I said let the voters vote and let the votes count, like yobo's when he voted for messi last year.

@1025, pls do try to reduce the length of your argumentative essays a bit. The length of your write up kinda waters down the sensibility of it; I could hardly read your entire write ups. Lebron ad kobe don't have a say but 1025 does? Lol. That Platini predicted a barca_madrid final and so crowning chelsea was against his wish? Check out the latest club rankings and tell me chelsea's position pls. Barca has become chelsea's wife? Well that's for another day, we are talking about the best player not chelsea. So you are not insinuating that fifa bribes voters to vote for messi?

1025, Just trynna make you see that the best option is what is being used to award the ballon dor. Or would you rather that the president of fifa or a sub committee of fifa sits in zurich and appoints the winner? I guess not. The voting process is so so transparent and open for all and sundry. If any other person wins it I would only keep my reservations to myself but never differ openly cus the procee of the award is very credible.

1025: we are not in a war front my brother. arguments/debates are won on points and not on rants. i like to always buttress my points with illustrations that are based on facts and figures. i am only saying my mind and even when my mind is the mind/opinion of one man, it does make me wise or foolish man. the mistake u made was saying that messi won 4 trophies and brought argentina to a height which made me to link u up to a guy that is not from my kindred or village that won more than 4 trophies and even took his country to height greater than argentina yet he did not win.
sometime ago, somebody said messi won champions league but what about now that he did not win? meanwhile brother, are u in any way telling us the result of the election before it is conducted. let me tell u, the mind of the majority is not always the mind of God rather they are the mind of men.
it is difficult to deal with your type because u don't answer questions. i asked 5 simple questions which u refused to answer even one.
now i want to ask you again, if champions league is won by votes, WILL MY CHELSEA COME CLOSE TO NO 10 LAST SEASON when chelsea finished 5th in epl?
if only u can drop your sentiments for 1 minute, boxing for instance are won by knock out or points. tennis are won by points. in soccer, winner take home the trophy, golden boots are won by highest goal scorers, point out what prompt the selections of these 32 and the further trimming to 3 then the terms for the voting.
finally, have you ever been disappointed by the selection of best player for once be it in a tournament, nigeria, africa, europe or world?
if u think u are good for any thread, answer questions and ask questions as that is what i do when i get involved with any thread, TRY ME.

I don't even know why iam still here really, I insist messi just scored 73 goals and won 4 trophies with barca, and I insist messi. Was argentina's best player and one of the best players in the world cup 2006. As for your 5 questions, even though I didn't see the essence I still answered, go tru the thread again and see my full response.I think u are derailing from the argument. Even if chelsea won the champs league they still aint the best taem in europe. That remains the stand out thing about messi, even when he doesn't score goals or win trophies its still very easy to watch him and call him the best.just watching the ball at his feet makes you call him the greatest. I could quote so many world legends who have called him the greatset since 08 even calling him the best ever. Just today kobe bryant and lebron james called him the best and prolly the best ever.iam not at war with you or getting personal but I don't understand why people keep faulting a voting process. It should be sneider, it should be that and that. I mean who knows best. Just let the guys vote.

1025: uncle, i asked a few questions above and from ur reaction, u have no answers. well, it is not in my place to choose who wins the award but am saying, every year, we get different reasons for winning. it is not all about messi. i am talking about the arrangements. what do players do to win these awards. if am not mistaken, u did mention somewhere that messi won 4 trophies and put argentina where they are. then what if a player wins 6 trophies and then take his country to a level better than argentina. country-wise, argentina is not the number 1 in fifa ranking and trophy-wise, some won more important trophies. what messi did to win that award some two seasons ago has been done by other players so why are they not winning?
there quality players in lower clubs and nobody notices them until they play in big clubs where u win things and that is why it is impo if not impossible for players in wigan like victor moses to win ballon dór.
uncle, there is a player, his name is Juan Mata, if u decorate him with medals he won in the last 4 yrs, u will see things that messi is yet to win at national levels. do u know that Juan Mata won the champions league which messi could not go beyond semi finals. i don't want to talk about the juju we call Drogba who went ahead to score while the likes of messi were too afraid to put the ball inside the net at standford bridge.
pls, do not understand me, if this ballon d ór a political office that is determine by votes or an award based on output.
how can u tell me that three players in one team are the three best in the world yet they refused to win champions league and la liga? na lie brother.
messi was in sa2010 and we know the story of argentina and messi himself in that tournament. in 2010, uefa had no explanations their f-u-k up.

man what else could I say? There are no hard and fast rules to winning the ballon dor. Over 400 guys from different countries cast votes and the winner takes it all. And then the results posted on the internet fir the sake of doubters like you. For goodness sake you 1025 are not the wisest man on planet earth. Different people have different oppinions which are harmonised only by voting. if you get convinced for instance that sneider is the best but 4 other people think its messi , what do you do? Tell them how their judgement stinks and how yours is good?I won't be able to convince you if you begin to bring up petty petty details like mata this,drogba that, argentina this! Sorry if you think messi did not deserve 3 ballon dors and prolly a 4th but you are in the minority.

1025: am sorry if am sounding funny but am ready to learn. i will like to know the following;
1. what are those things a player will do for him to be named the best player?
2. can small teams like wigan, wolves, bolton or can small footballing nations like ethiopia, liberia, togo etc produce the best player?
3. do u have cases where best players come out of poor teams?
4. what are the components of best teams?
5. are there times u as a person have contrary opinion with the choice of best player? if yes why?

if i get answers to the above questions, it will help my understanding the more. thanks.

lemme answer you. Question 1-to win the award as a player, just play well and win the votes of the over 200 national team captains and coaches, and journalists as well. Question 2-if you say can they? No they cannot but if you say could they win? Yes they could. Question 3-there are so many players out there that could be better messi if only they had. Big opportunities to play for the barcas, the madrids, the milans, the man us, of this world. Such players play for teams like west brom, levante, eyimba and so on. Question 4-best teams have expensive world class players making themselves better. Question 5-of course a lot of times we have contrary oppinions. Lionel messi is the best player in the world today its not becos everybody voted for him but becos majority voted for him. Believe you me if there was a vote between Jesus and devil today, the devil will get some votes.

1025: @ddippset,
exactly my point. is not about majority uncle rather it is about those who vote. in the same 2010, iniesta and xavi were the first and second runners up. if sneijder did not merit first, are u saying the majority did not see anything to qualify him among the first 3? iniesta on his own said sniedjer merited a place in the first 3. in 2002, eto was crowned the african best against the expectations of many that okocha was the right man. canavaro the italian defender was made the best player in 2006 abi 2007 but many complained. havalang the former fifa president is facing corruption charges now over issues of many years ago and these are some of the things bad about football.
one time, we were told that messi helped barca to win everything so he merited the ballon dór and some other times a players helps his own club do same but was denied.
u mentioned messi going to win because of 4 trophies and i reffered u to someone who won more than 4 and took his country to the world cup finals and was denied now you brought up the issue of voting.
we are nigerians and we vote and we know that here most results are known before the vote propare.
uefa as an organised body is supposed to come up with terms and conditions for winning this ballon d 'or apaart from using compromised officials.
the man that uefa used to make a mess of chelsea vs barca in 2009 is part of a body that decides who win things abi?
platini made his mind open from the beginning of last season that he wanted a barca-madrid champions league finals. what if it was a case of voting? will chelsea be voted 10th?

1025: @ddippset,
exactly my point. is not about majority uncle rather it is about those who vote. in the same 2010, iniesta and xavi were the first and second runners up. if sneijder did not merit first, are u saying the majority did not see anything to qualify him among the first 3? iniesta on his own said sniedjer merited a place in the first 3. in 2002, eto was crowned the african best against the expectations of many that okocha was the right man. canavaro the italian defender was made the best player in 2006 abi 2007 but many complained. havalang the former fifa president is facing corruption charges now over issues of many years ago and these are some of the things bad about football.
one time, we were told that messi helped barca to win everything so he merited the ballon dór and some other times a players helps his own club do same but was denied.
u mentioned messi going to win because of 4 trophies and i reffered u to someone who won more than 4 and took his country to the world cup finals and was denied now you brought up the issue of voting.
we are nigerians and we vote and we know that here most results are known before the vote propare.
uefa as an organised body is supposed to come up with terms and conditions for winning this ballon d 'or apaart from using compromised officials.
the man that uefa used to make a mess of chelsea vs barca in 2009 is part of a body that decides who win things abi?
platini made his mind open from the beginning of last season that he wanted a barca-madrid champions league finals. what if it was a case of voting? will chelsea be voted 10th?

.ok ok ok, oya now tell us how ballon dor should be awarded. Should sepp blater or platini handpick the winner or maybe 9 billion people on planet earth should vote? Or better still they should include you in the committee of captains, coaches and press men to cast your votes. Pls suggest. Ps- that man that uefa used against chelsea in 09 gave abidal a false red card in the 65th minute and made barca play with 10 men for 28 mins even with a goal down. And that was the first major controversy in that match! So much for conspiracy theories!

brownlord: If it where to be in my great country, police will arrive the scene 2 hours after the shooter has gone, and yet they will arrest suspect and investigation will commence, then our president will condemn the attack and they will be on top the situation, Nigeria foolish people, useless nation

hahahahahahha. Wetin concern naija inside this one na? people de vex for this our country sha. lol. dont worry my brother, iam with you on this one, i share in your pain.

and what about black africa? i see a couple of exes in my motherland who should be serving life hanging around and chilling, getting more money, getting more girls.

1025: @ddippest,
i am not hating. when snedjer won the champions league with inter, he also won everything trophy in italy. he did not stop there rather he took holland to the world cup finals. messi still went ahead to win the ballon d'or. why is the laws and reasons always different each season. messi is a genuis we all know but everyday no be christmas.

sneider did all that i agree, but the pundits in world football still decided messi was the best and he won by voting and not by appointment. So my question to you is this; what makes you think you're qualified to say that those that voted messi were wrong to give him their votes? Football is for everybody not for you. Just the way u are so convinced it should have been sneider, more people were convinced it was messi and so majority voted him.

1025: @ddippest,
we are not talking about the highest goal scorer? to score 500 goals in match is a record but the best players are those who help their teams win better things.
in spain, anybody in madrid and barca can score 80 goals against the other weaker teams.the other times messi was winning the award, we saw barca win champions league, la liga and other major trophies.
by major trophy, i mean la liga, champions league, spanish fa cup so u better stop pretending. even if barca end up the next season without a single trophy both minor and major, messi will still be the best player to uefa and many others.
messi scores 900 goals yet in the two legs against chelsea, he refused to score even with a spot kick.
let uefa make room for the players who score the highest number of goals in a season. barca no do well this last season and pep will explain that to u.

i still do not understand you brother. messi basically won the spanish fa cup, the club world cup, the super cups for barcelona. remove messi's la liga goals and barca would have finished 8th position in la liga, missing out in europe entirely next season. dont get it twisted mate, messi was the best individual player and he helped his team to 4 trophies and an automatic champions league spot. he has also put argentina at the top of the south america qualifying series. messi just had the best individual season from any player in the history of football. stop hating, give the man some credit. pleeeaase.

1025: how many major trophies did the person in question win?

and what do you mean by MAJOR? his 73 goals gave barca 4 trophies. and by the way it is an award for 'best player in europe' and not 'best team in europe'. PS. the club world cup is not a major trophy? the spanish FA cup is not a major trophy? then define 'a major trophy'

kai! uefa sef! wetin dem de shortlist sef? this ought to be a one man shortlist. it's a no-brainer. if one man can;
-win the european golden shoe with a record 50 goals.
-score 73 record goals in a season.
-accumulate 30 assists.
-score a record 14 goals in a single champions league season.
-score a record 5 goals in a single match.
-score a record 8 hattricks in one season.
-win 4 trophies with club.
what are they even shortlisting?

why do they still address him as HON faruk? it should now be DISHON faruk.

like my man nasir, can i talk to the mayor, the governor and the mvtherfvcking president?

i hope it has nothing to do with edo politics and the forth-coming elections. cus there are so many political gbigigggggggggggbis going on. like the sexual escapades of oshiomaole and orbih, like the assasination attempts, the oba's swagger, patrick obahiagbon's analysis and so on.

VEGA: Am I missing something?
SSS sting details released by Otedola? We need to have official confirmation from SSS that indeed this was their Sting operation. Why was there no SSS man witnessing the money transfer at Otedola's house by pretending to be a tea boy or cleaner as part of the sting? Now the money appears to have vanished!
Please we need to hear SSS version or confirmation. Recall that Farouk tried to claim his own sting but when the chips were down his friend denied him.
We may still have some twists and turns in this saga.
To me Nigeria will be the better off for it.

do you think that this is hollywood?

it's no secret that i do not like ronaldo alot. so it's so so easy for me to make cases against him since messi consistently out classes him and that would be my antidote for a possible heart attack. messi is his standard for greatness and we all know that everything he does is weighted against what messi has done. i did not start this and i will not finish it. so dont put the blame on me bro. if he wins ballon dor i will be pissed big time but i would never say 'fifa gave ronaldo ballon dor' like the messi detractors would.let the voters vote.

usbcable: you no dey far from anything messi.
and as expected your brain artiries will pump as many blood as possible at the mention of ronaldo.

may you not have a heart attack just because of ronaldo.

i wonder what you will do if eventually he wins the BDO.

did i hear u say whiskers? maybe we should propose medals for teams that cling on to the whiskers of any competition. except of course you dont watch argentina's and messi's games. ven when he is not scoring he is clearly the best on the pitch and the fans are loving him. you dont need messi to score in order to love him. say what you say messi scored 73 and these 73 goals gave barca 4 trophies last season. he broke records which have been standing for decades and which will stand on for decades. not one not two. A lot of guys won big time trophies; aguero, drogba, et al. so if it's gonna be about team trophies then the ballon dor might not go to whom you have in mind.

chic2pimp: I could also say One led his team to within whiskers of the European Championships final while the other's team went out at the QF stage of an Inferior competiton whilst registering no goals to his name.

Kings cup,club world cup,supercups??....Are those names of trophies or beer cups? Why not add the Aldi,Emirates and cup to that lists too... Abeg stop mentioning the names of those silly cups when real trophies are being discussed.

Drogba,Aguero,Silva?......Abeg stop plucking random names off your head all in the sake of having an arguement. And If Xavi did not win in 2010, the chances of him winning it now are as slim becoming a Multi Billionaire overnight.

Torres?...Which Torres? He should count himself extremely lucky if he makes the Top 30.

Billyonaire: Going to Yobe is scary, but I dont think its the President that influences NYSC posting.

but if he wants to change unilag to maulag he can send the bill in 2 days.

men these guys v got doe sha. i wouldn't part with a hundred dollars just to set up a n1gga but someone is parting with 650 grand to sting a brother. faruk says he took the money and then zenon oil disappeared from the list. ote says ha gave money to set up lawan. in my own judgement book faruk is guilty until proved innocent and otedola is innocent until proved guilty.

and then in your infinite wisdom uefa should say that for this reason you have generated from your numb skull they should say ok pirlo had no help so lets give him mvp? Cant believ you just called someone else mumu! I see how smart you are. by the way i see you still have your lip gloss on.

chucky234: Iniesta was able to put on a show last night simply because his midfield quartet of Alonso,Xavi and Silva were at their best while Pirlo had no help from Marshisio,De Rossi and the absence of Nocerino.

and why tha heck do you have to call me mumu just to make your point? if i have an oppinion that the guy is overrated how does that make you lose sleep at night? and so if he's 19 does that mean he's not overrated? last year balotelli said the only footballer better than him was messi and that were it not for messi he would be winning the ballon dor. so iam sure you do agree with that as well, is that not overrating himself? answer me this! wipe off your lip gloss and answer!

chucky234: Another mumu,what is the average age of all the players you mentioned above? Van Persie better than Balotelli? Your mumu wear coat,Van Persie had just one successful season in EPL and would be kick out of any team if he misbehave like Mario Balotelli but no one can kick Mario out because everyone knows of his true potential.

At just 21 he has Seria A,Champions League,Italian Super cup,EPL and FA cup,how many has Van Persie won? Did you watch Inter vs Man in 2010 Champions League or his freekick against Rubin Kazan that keep Inter in the race for the 2010 Champions League.

Aside Giggs and Scholes all the players you mentioned only Suarez,Tevez,aguero,Torres and Modric were first team player at 19yrs but not for a big club like Inter Milan which shows Balotelli undoubted talent.

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seriously though balotelli is way way way overrated. I could mention a hundred players better than him as soon as i wake up from my sleep. One of the most overrated players in the modern era. In the epl alone, van persie, arteta, silva , aguero, tevez, tuore, bale, modric, van der vart, drogba, lampard, mata, ramirez, suarez, gerrard, rooney, giggs, scholes, the yak, ba, torres, nani, valencia, talk less of la liga and others. he isnt just as good as he thinks he is. he 's lucky mancini isnt that principled and is ready to kiss azz to win titles,if not along with tevez he would have been kicked out long long ago. Fergie, or wenger or mourinho would have benched him consistently.

ronaldo and messi in no particular order? Are you kidding me or what? First there is the incumbency factor(whether you want to admit this or no) and then one scores 73 the other 60, one scores 50 the other 46, one wins the kings cup, the club world cup, the spanish and the european super cups the other wins the la liga,one has the pichichi and the european shoe, the other nil, one breaks at least 7 records, the other maybr 2 or 3. And then you say in no particular other? Well the following guys have strong cases for the ballon dor as well: pirlo, xavi, iniesta,silva, aguero, drogba,. And who knows? Torress might get a shot on it too.

chic2pimp: I'll be shocked if Iniesta wins the Balon D'or.
The top two would most likely be Ronaldo and Messi(in no particular order)yet again with Pirlo and Iniesta trailing behind.

sorry bro, i dont quite concurr. between them there's a lot more than just attitude. one of them is the stand-out greatest. lemme leave it at that. one of them.

dadde: the difference between messi and CR7 is called attitude.they are both great players.

iniesta and pirlo were at par. the award went to the former cus spain won the trophy. if italy had won the tournament then pirlo would have gotten it. and for god's sake what's the fuss about balotelli. he scored 2 against germany alright but what else did he do? pirlo was still italy's best player versus germany. and the humility part lets put humility aside. no player at euro 2012 was as good as pirlo and iniesta!

voting still in progress. All those that voted for italy can still change it.

Jesus christ!

spain and barca are boring indeed!