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Aigbofa:
Where exactly is this your destination? If it is Biafra, you need a better compass and a stronger pair of walking shoes.

Pal, you do not need to worry because I got a better compass and a stronger pair of walking shoes, no make it boots.

[quote author=Okija_juju link=topic=779911.msg9332518#msg9332518 date=1318523293]Stubborness and arrogance still remains a trait found in the Igbos,

This is an open forum, I have said my piece, you all can say all you want, In the end, we all want to see the betterment of the Igbos, our methods of going about it is all that differs here.

@ Onlytruth

Ichie, Ekene'm ghi! It dosent matter wether you feel I am Igbo or not, the point still remains that if you and your friends who feel you are more Igbo than I am simply because you carry BIAFRA on your head and can prolly type Igbo better than I, have good ideas on how to make the Igbo people better than they are now, then I suggest you say and stop with the name calling. I have no beef with you and yours. I only said it as I see it.

Dede!!

Biko hapum aka!! Mu na ghi a'de se okwu. I maintain that Ojukwu led the Igbos into a war that we could never have won. But like I said, thats all in the past. You either stay in the 60's and keep debating on who won the war, or you can come into 2011 and start thinking of how to be a major player in the affairs of this country. I have said my piece. BIAFRA is dead, never to rise again.[/quote]I am not a fool to initiate subliminal altercation with you. I am happy there was a personality such as Ojukwu in eastern region of Nigeria who led Biafra even imperfectly.
   
Ojukwu was not perfect by any stretch of imagination. However, I shall always hold him in highest esteem for the vision he had for Nigeria. He never wanted to be Head of State of Nigeria as he lamented such honor fell in the laps of Ogundipe as in any case where military impasse existed when the where-about of the current C-in-C is unknown as in Nigeria about July, 1966. Those who wanted Nigeria in the present socio-political predicament never heeded his calls rather they shamefully rallied around empty skulls to precipitate a war of attrition against Biafra.

In fact, I am not surprise to find you in the same deluded path that saw Nigeria in the state of dilapidated mess. You are an exemplified persona that fit into the saying that “those who did not know where they started a journey can not reach their destination”.

@POST

This poster of the thread must be flogged for insinuating a rare political operative such as the first Asiwaju of Yourba land lost political election in a non-country. Awo was the next good thing God created after a slice of bread.

[quote author=Okija_juju link=topic=779911.msg9331158#msg9331158 date=1318513770]Misguided interest?! Have you not heard all the rants coming out of the East saying "IGBO PRESIDENT in 2015 or WAR?!" . Dont decieve yourself, majority of the Igbos believe that the only way they would be assured that on one has any "marginalization" agenda is when they become president. What have the igbos been singing since?!

We want to be president

We need more states

Genocide

Marginalization

And all sorts of pitiful crap like that. My friend, I am not part of that foolishness. Keep wallowing in self-pity, keep hoping on a cloud. The rest of Nigeria is moving forward. With the exception of the current Enugu State governor, the report coming out of the other eastern states are not positive at all. Nwokem, welu aka ghi du onwe ghi odu.

O! And yes sir, that war was the stupidest thing the Igbos ever did in our history. Indi Igbos are not saints! We are the cause of our own problems. The repairs must start from within before it goes out. How can we rule a nation if we cant rule ourselves. If you like, keep waiting on the actualization of Biafra, if you like, keep tell your kids bedtime stories of how the Hausas are on an ethnic cleansing mission to wipe out Indi Igbo, If you like sef, fly the Biafran National flag in your living room the status quo would always remain what it is,
I wasnt hoping to engender positive sentiments, we as a people are too proud and arrogant to let go of our foolishness. I just hope that the younger generation would step up and start moving away from the old ways that have failed us for over 3 decades[/quote]The bolded are statements born of idiosyncrasy if not downright foolishness. It goes further to elucidate the notion if you are actual an Igbo person. Again, by any stroke of luck you are Igbo, you must be definitely an efulefu.

It will be a waste of time to insinuate the alleged information about the war handed down to you by your forbearers did not state the Ndigbo and Biafrans held nocturnal meetings and decided to kill politicians of federal republic of Nigeria, slaughter indigenes of northern, western and mid-western regions residing in eastern region and on the July 6, 1967 declared war on Nigeria.

If the above scenarios were not the benchmarks of the story of the war you heard yet arrived to the conclusion “that war was the stupidest thing the Igbos ever did in our history”, a damnable indictment for those who sat in their homes as war was brought to them and only thing Igbo did wrong was to defend their home land, then you are more deluded than I thought.

Again if you think Nigeria will ever get better than you have seen today, I guess you have not truly checked the scare Nigeria/Biafra civil war left on the psychic of Nigerians. When drunkards such as you talk about “revolution and way forward”, I laugh sarcastically.

@POST


Please can someone tell these deluded punks that they can not possibly eat their cake and have it? The so-called Egbesu Mightier Fraternity of Izon should direct its inconsequential ultimatum to idio.t such as Edwin Clarke.

[quote author=Okija_juju link=topic=779911.msg9329130#msg9329130 date=1318498813]Nwokem, Osoqua ghi, keep thinking to yourself that the world is out to get indi igbo,  Keep fighting with air, keep generating conspiracy theories about a plot to wipe indi igbo into extinction. Come 2015, with the present state of affairs in Igbo land, an Hausa man would be president. Indi Igbo are there screaming Marginalization, Genocide and all that crap, the NIGER DELTA has produced a President and a Vice president. Keep singing the same tune, the middle-belt would produce a president before the Igbos,  You think that the present political dispensation is still riding on that zoning bullcrap?? Think again. The election of JEG in the midst of heavy weight Northern political opponents should be a pointer to indi Igbo that zoning will not get us there. Until we as indi igbo eliminate the hate in our mind, stop living in the past (BIAFRA), stop celebrating criminals and crooks (Uwazuruike, Kalu and co) and conciously make an effort to reintegrate into Nigeria, the status quo would remain the same.

There will be no more war in this country same way their will be no more military rule.

I am an igbo man, Anambra true and true,  My heritage is not in contention, my grand father fought that biafran war that y'all seem to love to shout about, I've heard terrible stories about that war, my grandmother lost 4 boys (her sons) in 1 day from an aerial bombing raid during that war, so stop acting like y'all are some type of war heroes of some sort.

The young generations of indi Igbo need to take over the helm of affairs. Bring up bright ideas that would propel us out of the cesspit that the older generation (uwazuruike & co) are hell bent on remaining in. The actualization of the indi Igbo dream would not come from living in the ashes of the Biafran war. Ojukwu who led us into that ill-thought war is at the brink of death yet the younger geration who have nothing but tales to remember that war by have held on to the past with a firm grip.

I am sick and tired of hearing the same old tale of marginalization and the genocidal crap, it was a war (well as far as the igbos were concerned because to the rest of Nigeria it was quelling the uprising of a renegade band of terrorists). Where the igbos marginalized worst that the Niger Deltans? The creeks and water-side dwellers? Abeg make una look bush jor!!

I tell everyone that the best thing to happen to indi Igbo was the failure of Biafra. At this rate, by now Biafra would have been like war-torn Sierra-leone or Liberia or even Sudan.

I have moved on, the rest of us should do so as well, 


Indi Igbo ekene'm unu o!!


Ask for you, I still want to believe that the reason you went to that cybercafe was to apply for the salesboy position at Chukwuma & Son enterprises. I would suggest you focus on that and make the maximum use of your 150 Naira,[/quote]Truly speaking, your post does not engender any positive sentiments. Any Igbo person who has eyes on the presidency of dysfunctional geographical expression such as Nigeria should be shot. The misguided interest you seemed to heap on the so-called 2015 and Nigerian presidency is beyond juvenile rant and asinine. 

I am settled with fact the bases of your ill-informed posts originate from fairy tales. There are many Igbo and Biafrans who witnessed the civil war and whose amalgam of political approach in Nigeria is predicated on what happened during and after the war.

T8ksy:
@ Bolded,

Abegi, don't mind Dede and his co-travellers in their trajectory of deceitfulness.

That's their own cultural conceptualisation of tribalism i.e Yoruba's unwillingness to bequeath the affairs of their people to an outsider, especially when that outsider also

doubled as a rival. As if the igbo at that time would eagerly entrust Awolowo (or any other yorubaman) with the future development of their people.

Zik-the leader of igbo tribal union now wants to run the affairs of a rival group! what an utter circuitousness!!!

Whatever happened to "conflict of interest"?

Everybody knows ~Bluetooth is a dumbass and one breathe away from imbecility. You dimmed my expectation of you by cow-towing to such moronic stream of thought by the jackass named ~Bluetooth. What a waste of bandwidth. The issue has nothing to do with entrusting anybody with any political task. Awo was not barred from contesting election in Aba or Port Harcourt. Zik contested and won free election in Lagos organized by the Yoruba-dominated western region.

The inherent tribal bigotry of Yoruba people jumpstarted the moment they realized NCNC, Zik’s political party, had taken AG, Awo’s political party, to the cleaners during the polling. It immediately downed on them that Igbo man, Zik, would become first premier of western region. Yoruba tribal bigots shouted Oti o!! Hence carpet-crossing and tribal politics were born into Nigeria’s socio-political society.

[quote author=~Bluetooth link=topic=779911.msg9326744#msg9326744 date=1318457783]ZIK won election in Lagos under NCNC in 1952 but he couldn't forge ahead to the federal parliament cuz the yoruba-dominated western house of assembly won't allow an ibo man to represent them.Btw,That eyo ita part seems to point Zik as tribalistic maybe that is why you chose to ignore it ![/quote]Can somebody with gray matter above his or her shoulder inform this malnutrition airhead there was a difference between regional and federal election. The election in 1951 was regional election for the control of regional houses of assembly. Zik won election in Lagos from one of the constituencies in then western regional house of assemebly to represent the people of Lagos in Ibadan the capital of western region.

At stake in that election was leader of government and eventual premier of the region. Awo and follow tribal carpet crossers in Ibadan made sure Zik should not be allowed to become the first premier of western region of Nigeria. Zik left Lagos after the shameful and tribal induced political act by the Yoruba and contested in 1954 federal election at Onicha.

[quote author=~Bluetooth link=topic=779911.msg9326481#msg9326481 date=1318454455]You also forgot to add how Zik after Awo dealt with him by stopping him from going to the central legislation manouevered Eyo ita an ibibio then leading the NCNC in the eastern house of assembly out of office which made him him to form UPN;an anti-ibo party.This same zik also orchestrated the creation of mid-west from the western region just to reduce the influence of Awolowo in the region.Zik was a major factor to the growth and spread of tribalism in Nigeria.[/quote]This is a misguided and deliberate ill-informed tale by the moonlight. Even as a mere told story, this hungry jackass could not get the simplest of the fact correct. Awo and Yoruba carpet-crossers had absolutely nothing to do with an election to the central legislative house. Zik won an election to represent Onicha. I shall not help in educating a mor.on such as you about Eyo Ita saga. You shall remain ignorant on this issue for a while, Agbaya.

T8ksy:
Na u and your generations yet unborn go get "miserable lives". . . . . . . . . bloody okoro!

If my post was wrong why don't you give the correct version instead of resorting to your favourite past-time of namecallings and downright, rudeness.

I guess, its in your genes- just can't help yourself.

Anybody who is not downright miserable in life should understand the more correct facts behind the formation of NCNC than you have foolishly stated in your damnable previous post, Olodo, Oloshi kekere.

[quote author=Okija_juju link=topic=779911.msg9321614#msg9321614 date=1318411284]The Igbos can sing marginalization all they want, They can even put it in lyrics of the Biafran National anthem if they bloody want, but I still maintain that the Igbos are their own worst enemy, So for everytime that 1 ibgo man is killed in any other non-igbo part of the country, we scream genocide, I laugh in bauchi, yet everyday Chisco, F.G Onyewe, Dan Dollar, Ekene and co carry thousands of indi Igbo to the same Ugwu Hausa where you calim we are being slaughtered like chickens, Once again, I laugh o!!

Marginalized indeed, Look at common Senate presidency that was zoned to the East, I one 4 year tenure, how many Senate presidents did the Igbo people produce?! Iche na or ka Presidency ga di?! When one Igbo president leave, another will replace him?! Nwokem, tete na ula and smell the coffee, The earlier the Igbo's stop living in the past (Biafra) and start being proactive, we will continue to be complainants while the rest of Nigeria is moving forward, Look at the foolishness the likes of Uwazuruike and co are there propagating, Let me inform you deluded Igbo people, THE BIAFRAN DREAM IS DEAD!! NOBODY TRYING TO CARRY OUT A GENOCIDE ON US!! STOP COMPLAINING AND START WORKING TOWARDS CLAIMING A STAKE IN NIGERIA!! NO TRIBE WILL ROLLOVER AND HANDOVER THE PRESIDENCY TO THE IGBOS, As it stands now, should an election hold tomorrow, who will be the most likely Igbo candidate?! Is it Theodore Orji? or Orji Uzor Kalu?! Or Chimaroke Nnamani?? Or Ngige?!

Like I said, Kam nu ezigbo ife biko, What does it matter if I'm Igbo or not?! What is so special about being Igbo?[/quote]It is unfortunate your attempt to sound like a human being ended with trivialized Nigerian election. Before you foolishly embarked on wasteful endeavor of ill-informed criticism of Ndigbo, you must realize that political issues in a tribally fuzzed Nigeria are not matter of hate or love.

There have been considerable efforts on the past and present government of Nigeria to punish south eastern zone and Ndigbo in particular for Nigeria/Biafra war. If Nigeria plays on level terrain, why should there be instances of abandon property and draconian boundary adjustment immediately after the civil war?

There is no hate or love in Nigeria but a subliminal war that will burst to surface one day.

T8ksy:
@ Bolded,

The genesis of tribalism (in nigeria) goes back to the sudden death of NYM only for zik (Mr. nationalist) and the igbos going on to form NCNC

Tribal bigotry will never allow you to comprehend elementary history even if your miserable life depended on it. I guess you know this is not the infamous Biafran air force strafing Lagos into submission.

Onlytruth:
Frankly, the only sensible point being made by aribisala0, which must be resounded, is the fact that current geopolitical zones have outlived their use.
They were created (through the inspiration of an Igboman -Alex Ekwueme) to demostrate to the minorities in Nigeria (especially Eastern minorities) that Igbo man is not trying to throw them under the bus or swallow them up.

It was an incongruous overkill (if you ask me); all to make a point.

Well, the point has been made. Only foolish Nigerians would still advocate this nebulous and unwieldy political concoction which attempts -predictably in utter futility- to string together the strangest of bedfellows.
The minimum that must happen is that we return to regions.
Even if we maintain the current geopolitical names, the states constituting each zone needs to be reviewed.
Else, if we must maintain same zones, then, the zones MUST have equal name of states. Simple.

Bros, Nigeria shall not go back regional outfit. Since the inception of moronic geopolitical zone in Nigeria and Ndigbo have been left with considerable less number of states than other zones, nobody has questioned validity of zones as national cake was being shared on state-based formula.

Now that Ndigbo have pointed out the inequality that existed with geopolitical zone with regard to number of states, knuckleheads are walking out of backwater to posit juvenile reasons why democracy is not suitable for Nigeria.

State creations in Nigeria have been based on politics and shall remain so. The nonsensical talk of the size of acreage and population of particular place as yardsticks for creation of state is a bad case of disingenuous.

If such non-political starters were employed by readily referenced USA, states such Rhode Island should not have be created. Nigerians always yearn loudly for unity and democracy yet they readily kick against the rudimentary aspects of the system which are equity and justice.

Again, if Nigerians could not balance their political acts to usher equity and justice, I say disintegrate the cesspit called Nigeria.

The number of irresponsible posts that antagonized the demand for the creation of two additional states for South East geopolitical zone in Nigeria is one of the reasons I resolutely called for disintegration of Nigeria. I guess some of the essences of democracy are fairness, equity and justice.

In pursuance of practical democracy, Nigeria sublimely introduced geopolitical zones. Since the democracy is predicated on the game of numbers, the zones paradoxically must have equal number of states in order to produce equal number of senators since the vote in the upper chamber determines the faith of a bill. I shall even go further to demand equal number of geopolitical zone in northern and southern Nigeria. We must learn to balance the political acts in a tribally infused country such as Nigeria.

It is such idiotic style of polity or foolish display of utter bigotry or political inconsideration by certain nitwits who frowned at the demand of creation of more states in Nigeria so as to maintain a sense of equal political attainment lends courage to demand the cessation of federal republic of Nigeria.

The incessant political treachery executed in the acreage known as Nigeria since the amalgamation in 1914 induces agitation for disintegration of Nigeria. It does not appear Nigerians will ever get their political acts together. So it is adequate to call for total disintegration of Nigeria.

@POST

Senator Uche Chukwumerije has written like a politician whose eyes are set on future political stakes. I had expected to read the deemed necessity or insinuation to arm MASSOB to the hips so that Igbo youths in the organization could fend off incessant abuses from the Nigerian security outfits.

It is unfortunately Uche Chukwumerije wrote about the need to guide Igbo unity to a steel form but his Abia State governor, T O Orji, is bent on creating resentments towards Abians with his foolish sacking of non-indigenes of Abia State. I guess Uche understands charity begins at home.

I am disappointed that respected scholar such as Uche Chukwumerije, who has been within corridor of power in Nigeria on deferent capacities, spent time and energy writing about Ndigbo, Nigerian presidency and 2015.

Uche Chukwumerije and all other sons and daughters of Ndigbo in high places in Nigeria must drum the need to site international airport with comparable size and functionality of MMA and NNA and deservedly federal presence in Igbo land or then eastern region of Nigeria to any unwilling and capable ear in federal government of Nigeria.

PhysicsQED:
No, they are not gospel, but that does not mean that the particular section of the article that I quoted is necessarily false.



This is the part I"m not getting. Could you provide details about his going on foot from Benin City to Onicha?


Ogbemudia's father is not from Igbanke. His mother is from Igbanke.

No. I don't see why one man with one gun in a car would stop and face 3 or more men armed with guns if he couldn't find a place to refuel in order to get away. Being a soldier of a certain rank does not make one somehow impervious to bullets.

Whether his father or mother is Igbanke it makes no difference. Again, Ogbemudia’s pursuers knew it would be death sentence for them to chase him to Onicha because eastern region was no-go area for soldiers from northern region. Remember it has been alleged that Dimka and his team of chasers followed Ogbemudia to Owo in present day Ondo State.

Why would you believe Ogbemudia hitch-hiked to Benin City from Owo and still insinuate he walked from Benin City to Onicha? Anyway, I am not surprised at your gullibility of Nowa’s postulations.

PhysicsQED:
I think you are conflating unrelated things. I never said that Ijaw was not an ethnic group and what I criticized was the reading of certain documents to make claims about "Jos" just being a term used by certain Europeans to designate riverine people. None of this has any bearing on the fact that Gelegele is Bini land.

I have read the comments you are referring to by Bini titleholders and the gist of it is that some Ijaws migrated to Bini land and started making claims on land even though they are economic migrants, not owners of the land in question. They are not talking about what you are claiming (Ijaws not being a real ethnic group.)


There are, however, some speakers of Edoid languages among the Ijaws, and that may be one of the origins for the myth of Benin origin for Ijaws. Those communities could have spread that story to some extent.



When Ogbemudia ran from Dimka, I don't recall reading that he went to Onitsha. Maybe he did, but it would be better to provide details suggesting that he really did, rather than just saying that there is a story that he did. He seems to have come back to Benin from a northwesterly, not easterly, direction.

"Madiebo, Kalu, Okon, Ogbemudia and many others eventually escaped back to their home regions from Kaduna, while some, like Major Olusegun Obasanjo were later smuggled to Maiduguri for safe-keeping.  But others were not so lucky.  As  the days progressed, however, it was clear that there was inconsistency in the degree of discrimination being made between southerners or "jubilators".  T/Capt. L.C. Dilibe (Staff Officer, 1st Bde), T/Major Emelifonwu (DAQMG, 1st Bde) and T/Major  Ogunro (Chief Instructor, NMTC) were murdered.  Major A. Drummond, half cast Igbo-Scot, was killed on Sunday July 31st.  Major OU Isong  (Commander, 1st Recce Squadron) who had actually expressed scepticism about the January 15 coup, risking death at the hands of Major Nzeogwu, was also killed during the July rebellion in Kaduna, among others.  The details of his death have never been fully clarified but the young northern officers in his squadron at that time include Lts. Ibrahim Babangida, Garba Duba, Sunday Ifere and others.

After hitchhiking with Igbo contacts across the North, Madiebo escaped across the Benue bridge at Makurdi by hiding in a water tank dressed in a firesuit, avoiding capture by a detachment of the 5th battalion commanded by Captain Daramola during the penultimate leg of his relay race back home. Ogbemudia's escape from death at the hands of Lt. BS Dimka was partly made possible by Major Abba Kyari and Lt. Col. Hassan Katsina.  Hassan himself had allegedly been briefly detained by mutinous troops and then released, only to be falsely accused of being behind the whole plot (along with Ali Akilu).   It was already known that Dimka was not happy that Ogbemudia had arrested him earlier, although Dimka did not know that it had been sanctioned by Hassan who had his ears to the ground. When, therefore, Dimka was making plans to gather soldiers to seize him, and was talking carelessly about Ironsi's phone call and its implications, Ogbemudia was tipped off and advised in the nick of time to escape.   A landrover was immediately provided which Ogbemudia jumped into (armed with an SMG) and sped out of town (without bothering to pack) chased by a landrover load of northern soldiers led by the Lieutenant.   

Dimka's group pursued him to Kontagora where he refueled, barely eluding them at the fuel station. But they refused to give up, chasing him all the way to Jebba, crossing the Niger Bridge behind him, sometimes shooting.  They followed him all the way to Owo in present day Ondo State where he ran out of fuel, abandoned his vehicle and scaled a six foot fence into dense jungle.  At that point they gave up and began their journey back to Kaduna.  Ogbemudia later hitched hiked back to Benin City laying low for some time, moving from house to house until things cooled down. "


http://www.gamji.com/nowa/nowa28.htm

Bros, you do not need to regurgitate Nowa’s piece for me. Omoigui allowed sentiments to cloud his intellectual decency. Again Nowa’s write-ups are not gospel.

Even according to the excerpts from Nowa, Ogbomudia crossed River Niger at Jabba and headed to Owo then to Benin City. From Benin City he ran passed Agbor to Onicha. Anybody who ran from Owo through Benin to Onicha must have passed his or her father’s compound if he or she is an Igbanke. 

Does it not look funny to you that a soldier of a high rank, a major for that matter, had to abandon a land rover while armed with SMG because he ran out of fuel?

Biafrans are not going change anything or forget those visionless southern Nigerians who joined northern region of Nigeria to prosecute a war against Biafra because of these petty falsehoods and twisting of the facts.

2mch:
Look here, if oil makes your whole life and you are satisfied with Nigeria as it is. Then fine, you are entitled to your opinion. The fact remains Lagos will survive without oil. Lagos has almost the same population as London and New York, but is given this "stipend" to carry the weight of the country. If they take measures to make life comfortable, people will come out and criticize. Even the roads that the FG builds is not strong or durable enough for the human traffic, this is why the roads spoil again in a few months. If someone is trying to restore law and order it should be supported. Again, you and your families survival may depend solely on oil, but mine doesnt and never has. The government hardly affects the common man in any way, so what oil are we screaming here? The fact is Lagos will not collapse without oil. Please take your oil, if it will make the state become great again.

I had wished your forbearers were able to rationalize these lines in 1967.

Rgp92:
They dont know what they're fighting for right now Just wait, they'll miss Gaddafi. Anyway, you're right. We should focus on a way to make nigeria better

It could not have been written better than above post. The people behind the carnage in Libya are a bunch of deluded and brainwashed trolls whom the Europeans have promised free sex by Europeans girls in Paris

Relax101:
Dede, what part Ijebu-Ode did you live?
I know a place called Awokoya street and Ibadan Road.

Bros, I hope this is not a deliberate insult. What will you say if I am heading to Eko and suddenly branched to Ijebu-Ode as my final destination?

I did not live in Ijebu-Ode. One fine babe named Fumilayo dragged me to the city for few hours and back to Eko.

@ POST

I am not only disappointed towards the shameful policy of sacking non-indigenes by the drooling fool called T Orji who passes as governor of Abia State but detrimentally infuriated at the governor’s aides and subordinates such as the Head of Service, Mr. G.C. Adiele and Commissioner for Information and Strategy, Chief Don Ubani, whose names sounded Ngwa and Ukwa, for not insisting the fool drop such reckless and divisive policy. I urge Ndigbo not to forget the names of T Orji, G C Adiele and Don Ubani as cancers within the fabric of Igbo unity.

@PhysicsQED, I read that some Bini princes have reiterated the fact the so-called Ijo are crewmen porters and migrant fishermen from distance place and had no iota of ancestral lineage with Bini as many goofy Nigerians had claimed.

I recall you smeared me in one of your previous posts on my stance that Ijo nation is a later day fantasy. It was shocker to read from your elaborated efforts that Ijo had no ancestral claim on Gelegele as Bini princes had stated.

@Post, it is a shame it took this long for the so-called Igbanke group to sniff reality of life from the tiny air. My people say that a person can not run away from his or her arse. There was a story on Samuel Ogbomudia who ran from Kaduna during the July 29, 1966 coup as he was being chased by Dimka and few drunken soldiers from the northern region of Nigeria. The story had it Ogbomudia ran passed his father’s compound, forgot his Bini connection and took refuge in Onicha. However during and after the civil war, he jolted his memory back and remembered his Bini links.

Any group such as Ika, Igbanke or Ikwerre which had cultural similarity with Ndigbo and had the audacity to publicly renounce such ancestral lineage with Ndigbo should not be allowed into the family fold of Ndigbo.

2mch:
This guy is a big liar. Is this a mental illness? King Kosoko was exiled to epe. When ddid the british come to Nigeria? They were only successful in 1861, not so? see where the loop holes in your story become evident? Yoruba land comprises of mostly cities. Most people's "villages" are towns. This is not the same with Igbo's. Igbo's lived in hamlets. One road town is even better. More like maneuvering through the jungle in your case. You know absolutely nothing about Yoruba towns. Nothing.loool. The guy tries to sound like an authority in knwoledge but he just lies at every opportunity.

I am convinced you have issues with comprehension. I do not think people are exiled by them selves. I stand corrected though that your Oba Kosoko ran with his tail between his legs to Epe. Kosoko was lucky he had characters such as Akinpelu and Oshodi with him throughout the debacle.

Otta was my playground in the 80s and the seemly aspiring town was just area around major road from Agege, Lagos. 

The personal delusion about environment exuded by Lagos State government in dastardly destruction of shanties in Lagos is very deplorable. The governor had forgotten that Oshodi, Mafoluku, Mushin and Ajegunle were shanty settlements at one time.

That been said, these ancient-looking cattle sellers from northern region of Nigeria should stop approaching every issue with dagger.

Federal government should ban the carry of dagger. The ban for concealed weapon such as dagger would have been promulgated if act of carrying dagger was a social or cultural thing in the southern Nigeria. I intend to carry concealed pistol in Nigeria if a person from one section of damnable country is allowed to carry concealed dagger.

southwark:
Secret papers reveal Biafra intrigue


New revelations about how the war was funded




By Rick Fountain in London
Newly-released secret British papers show how the Biafran civil war which nearly destroyed the Nigerian federal state 30 years ago, turned into a triangular big-power contest between the United Kingdom, France and the Soviet Union.

About a million Biafrans starved to death because of the blockade applied by the Nigerian federal military government.

The breakaway state of Biafra was declared in May 1967, by the Ibo people of eastern Nigeria.
They were at odds with the rest of the federation and their military governor, Colonel Ojukwu, thought they could survive with revenues from the oilfields in their territory.

But the move was opposed by the federal military government and fighting broke out.

At first Biafra was successful and this alarmed Britain, the former colonial power, anxious for its big oil holdings.

It also interested the Soviet Union which saw a chance to increase its influence in West Africa.

Both sent arms to boost the federal military government, under General Yakubu Gowon.

But France, the other big former colonial power in the region, also took a hand.

Arms from Francophone neighbours

Although Paris repeatedly denied arming the Biafrans, the newly-released papers reveal intelligence reports showing that very large weapon shipments were reaching Biafra via two neighbouring Francophone states, Ivory Coast and Gabon.

The UK intelligence services warned that Soviet penetration was growing but that this did not much trouble Paris.

The British reports says the French objective "appears to be the break-up of Nigeria, which threatens, by its size and potential, to overshadow France's client Francophone states in west Africa".

But the flow of French arms diminished as the Biafrans wilted under relentless attacks and a food blockade.

In January 1970 the secession collapsed, and Colonel Ojukwu fled to Ivory Coast.
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Reading the post clearly informed me the original author and the poster of this essay are moronic idi.otic. Both jackasses could not get simplest fact correct talk less of complex weapon shipment.

[quote author=tpia@ link=topic=776552.msg9296471#msg9296471 date=1318025037]not true.



also incorrect.

the british were in abeokuta for a number of reasons, including early hostility of lagosians to british interference in the slave trade.

they [the british] needed a base from which they could launch their efforts to control the traffic and abeokuta welcomed them for various reasons which will not be discussed here.

in addition, dahomey was very resistant to the abolition of the slave trade, and the lagos port was also a recipient of many captured slaves by dahomey and the rest of yorubaland. Dahomey was backed by the french before it's colonization, so abeokuta was a safer place for the british to stay in for the meantime.[/quote]History is mostly true to the extent of story teller’s recollection. As I referenced in my previous post, most towns in Yoruba land as lately as 1980 were one-road town. Otta was practically a village in 1980. Even Abeokuta was all about one thorough road in and out of the city. I am not even going to mention Oshogbo, Ogbomosho, Ado Ekiti, Ile-Ife or Akure. Badagry was a fisherman village in 1980. Even my lovely Ijebu Ode town was a farmer’s village then.

As for British upland move away from mosquito infested swampy Lagos to Abeokuta, you claimed many number of reasons manifested such move including hostility of Lagosians. I am not surprised you decided to diminish the menace of little creatures. Anyway by 1861, all forms of hostility by inhabitants of Lagos had been swept under the rug by the British forces. Even King Kosoko turned tail and ran as fast as his legs could sustain and I gathered he did not run far.

lagcity:
why are you such a pathological liar? haba, is it genetic? u seriously need deliverance becos u can't keep going on like this. even Igbos are ashamed of you.

It takes one pathological liar to know another. Even till this day, Ibadan looks like a city from Jurassic Park.

2mch:
Who are you to tell Yoruba's which land to develop? Dont you see Ibadan? And before the Nigerian entity or the invasion of the british Yoruba's have been moving to Lagos in droves because of its access to the sea. Lagos's success has always been its location and nothing else. Dont jump before yourself here. It has always been a hub and more advanced than others, this is a fact. Before Nigeria was an entity people from all parts moved to Lagos. So, Lagos is the brain child of Yoruba industry. And dont forget Yoruba's are city dwellers unlike Igbo's that live in Village communities historically. This is why Ibadan, Abeokuta, Lagos, Akure and so many southwest states have very big cities. Ibadan has always been a big city even from historical accounts.

I need someone to tell this airhead to shut up and spent a little time on research. When the British made Lagos a colony, the acreage known as Lagos was a mosquito-infested swamp. If not for the turn of events such as a combination of British and personalities such as Sir Ojukwu to erect a wharf in Apapa, Abeokuta would have overtaken the swampy Lagos. Mere mosquito drove British upland which resulted in Abeokuta being the site for greater number of early secondary schools than Lagos.

There was a time many Yoruba people were not allowed into Lagos unless you are somebody, olodo. Oloshi like you should inquire why British invited anybody who could walk from Sierra Leone to Lagos. I have travelled far and wide in Yoruba land and I suggest you keep your dirty mouth closed about Yoruba being township dwellers.

When Ndigbo went into the deep jungle and cocoa farm lands to buy beans from Yoruba farmers who have not seen corrugated iron sheet in their lives, they welcomed Nidgbo like Oyinbo. Yet this human junk is talking about township. A trip from Ibadan to Akure through Ado Ekiti as lately as 1982 reminded me that Yoruba still carry poo in small buckets, Olodo. Except Lagos and Ibadan, most cities in Yoruba land are one road-town.

[quote author=alj_harem link=topic=776552.msg9295044#msg9295044 date=1318008325]Dede1 infact I don't care if the FCT extented to the present Ogun state and whether it is yorubaland or not because clearly bini are indigenes and have rights and well as the other people like myself who have lived in the state for quite larger amount of my life.

My point is that I want to drive home to you and other is stop calling lagos "a no man's land" all because it was the formal capital. We had calabar as the formal capital, I don't see anyone calling it "a no man's land" so we should have some decency and respect for the indigenes of the land because that is the only land they can call their home and it is their sense of identity. If these conditions are met, then there is no problem. After few years down the line, the hold of this strong cultural identity will fade away as there would be much more cultural homogeneity unlike now.

People protect their land, anywhere in the world[/quote]You have foolishly embarked on a futile chase of mirage. I have never referred to Lagos as “no man’s land” because most Yoruba people will always remind one to go back to “one’s country” if the person is not a Yoruba while living in Lagos. However, you can whine all you want; Lagos must remain a federal capital territory. Lokoja and Calabar were colonial era seats of British government when your mother was still running around the mud huts in Maiduguri unclad. So I suggest you drop Calabar and Lokoja in your delusional argument to claim Lagos.

You and follow misguided ilk can not be able to repay the republic that will emerge from eastern region of Nigeria the interest charge on the capital Nigeria spent on Lagos without losing entire Ondo State on delinquency.

[quote author=alj_harem link=topic=776552.msg9294874#msg9294874 date=1318006281]Don't talk about things u know nothing of. Lagos Island was the capital not the whole of Lagos. Also calabar was the capital for X amount of years before Lagos.

Lastly lastly and for the bloody last time, STOP CALLING SOMEONE'S LAND A NO MANS LAND. IT IS PROVOKING AND ANNOYING AND I WOULD NOT WANT TO HEAR IT OR EVER Think of IT AS AN INDIGENE. IT MAKES ME WANT TO KILL THE ALIENS WHICH ARE THE IGBOS BECAUSE PEOPLE LIKE YOU NEVER LEARN TO SHUT YOUR F.UCKING MOUTH ABOUT LAGOS AND THE ISSUE OF OWNERSHIP OR NOT. JUST STFU ABOUT LAGOS BEING A NO MANS LAND OK AND STOP GIVING ME and others IDEAS. NO OTHER ETHNIC GROUP SAYS SUCH STATEMENT APART FROM IGBOS. IT IS PROVOKING because ABUJA AND CALABAR ARE PEOPLE'S LAND BUT WHEN IT COMES TO THE NEUTRAL YORUBAS THAT DO NOT TOUCH IGBOS, THEN PEOPLE LIKE YOU START GROWING WINGS AND SAY THING WHICH I DARE YOU TO SAY REAL LIFE IN LAGOS TO ANY YORUBA OR BINI MAN EVEN some IBIBIOS and hausa/kanuri ARE VERY PART OF LAGOS AND INDIGENOUS NOW BECAUSE THEY UNDERSTAND THE PEOPLE AND THE WAY OF LIFE AND THEY LEARN TO KEEP THINGS CIVIL AND RESPECTIVE WHEN DESCRIBING OTHER PEOPLE'S LAND BUT STILL PEOPLE LIKE YOU HAVE NOT LEARNT THIS AND THEY KEEP TELLING YOU.

STOP AND STOP THAT STATEMENT BECAUSE OUR PEOPLE SAY ONE DAY poo GO HIT FAN AND EVERYTHING GO SCATTER.[/quote]Alj boko haram, there was no time Nigeria's capital city of Lagos was divided into Lagos Island and mainland. This idiotic Lagos Island crap is modern day display of political irresponsibility and recklessness. The federal government authority over Lagos stretched from Ikorodu, Victoria Island to Badagry. I lived and conducted business in Lagos which required visiting state and federal government establishments in Lagos.

Please shut up your putrid mouth and do not lump me with those claiming Lagos is no man’s land. Of course, Lagos will always remain Yoruba land. However, it has been a federal government seat of power and should still carry the political baggage that comes with such title. Calabar, Lokoja and Lagos were colonial capital cities of protectorates that gave rise to Nigeria. However, Lagos continued the tradition of capital city after Nigeria’s independence. 

As for poo hitting fan, I must reiterate you should not start what you can not possibly finish.

naijaking1:
Nnanyi-ukwu Dede, Ndewo-o

You shall live long

The title of the article was certainly incorrect. The man meant that he's been coming to Onitsha before many Igbos recognized the need to come and settle in the city.
The poor man never said he was in Onitsha before the Onitsha man

naijaking1, Ndewo-o Nwannem

Bros, you shall live long too.