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[quote author=ndu_chucks link=topic=769880.msg9237663#msg9237663 date=1317221232]I agree with you that some major economic infrastructure may be missing in Alaigbo, but we cannot continue to use this old copout as an excuse. I have seen my Igbo brothers build huge shopping malls in places that have less economic structures and resources than in Alaigbo. Additionally, the governors of the area have received nothing less than $100billion in allocation over the past few years, could they not have earmarked just 10% of that money for infrastructure. We can’t keep passing the buck to the federal government, after all the federal government pays the governments of the region $billion every year.

I mean, the feds have ignored their responsibilities of maintaining and constructing ‘federal’ roads in the region for years. Is that not enough signal to indicate that our state governments must tell the feds to get lost and do the needful themselves?

It is time that Igbo Investors partner with state governments and do the needful. BTW there is nothing deceitful about what you call ‘jargon’ such as one Nigeria. I declare to you today that, Insha Allah, our dear nation will be great once again. Regardless of what naysayers and awon olote believe.

PS. the motivating factor which made me open this thread is Love for the country and Ndigbo.[/quote]I am not a business man by any stretch of imagine. However, I have hung around business men in New York who do not think about Port Harcourt or any facility in eastern region when talking about shipping.

Even casual travelers would have more readily available tickets at minimal rates to Lagos or Abuja than Port Harcourt. To secure seat on Port Harcourt bound flights from the only two major air lines sectioned to touched down in eastern region of Nigeria without mid-trip transfers is so difficult and not suited for frequent flier precipitate business person.

It will amount to deliberate waste of time and bandwidth talking about lack of federal responsibilities of network of roads and other social amenities in the east.

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I do not know the motivating factors that spurred the author to write the piece. However, I tend to agree with the author on certain issues raised. If the author is genuinely real, he or she would have highlighted major economic infrastructures painfully missing in Alaigbo that leverage business activities in other regions. Ndigbo would have stayed home in the east if there were functional gateways out of Nigeria in the region. Since such economic amenities are pitifully lacking in east, Ndigbo had no options but to swim along the deceitful jargon such as One-Nigeria.

I do not know if the deluded Killayut was around in 60’s Port Harcourt. If the jackass was not around, the simple act to perform would be to ask his or her parent the reason behind Ijo grabbing and fighting over abandon properties belonging to Ndigbo in Port Harcourt.

Considerable large of number of Ijo people never lived in a house built with cement and corrugated iron sheet. They lived on the boats mainly at the waterside. Of course, the main occupation of these people included fishing, wood-pecking, palmwine tapping and producing illicit gin (Akamere or Ogogoro). 

I could not believe my eyes when I read a junk from Killayut how Ijo will cede few oil wells to Huasa in order to fight for them against Ndigbo. If this dude called Killayut is not dumb, he or she must be a nincompoop. It was not long ago that Hausa, Fulani, Kanuri, Tiv and Yoruba were willing to sell entire Ijo people, including their boats to British and USSR, in order to stop Ndigbo. Even Bakassi was ceded to Cameroon. If the faith of Bakassi is not a good lesson to you, I guess you will die a mo.ron.

It is an established fact that no single ethnic group in Nigeria that can able to join Ndigbo in a war path and survive to tell tales of the battle.

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This is not first time we have been saddled with usual hot air threat from loudmouthed individuals

Stupidity can not be fixed. Once brainwashed the people remain brainwashed. The Ijo people and few minority groups in the southern Nigeria have been irredeemably confused. The only thing which will make them realize their place is disintegration of Nigeria and a serious dosage of territorial expansionism.

Onlytruth:
^^
I hope you are sure about that.
My own intelligence   tells me otherwise. The whole thing still sounds like 1966. They were killing our people all over Nigeria, but Ojukwu was busy staying calm instead of seeking immediate international military alliances even before going to Aburi.
Our people have a history of complacency until is it too late.

I honestly believed Ndigbo are behind the curve in stockpiling arms clandestinely when compared with other major ethnic groups in Nigeria.

The bolded part could not be more truthful about Ndigbo.

[quote author=~Bluetooth link=topic=767223.msg9209138#msg9209138 date=1316842428]Boko haram threat,maiming and killing of ibo is enough spirit to drive secession spirit but will secession solve the problems of Nigeria ? Secession is just like a divorce between a man and a woman who have dozens of children,the man and the woman gain their freedom but what about the helpless children who had no choice but to be forced to live a complicated life as a result of the divorce of their parents ?[/quote]Upon the intellectual dress down you have received on this forum, it is still a shame you have not structured your thought process to the level of human. I guess a pig shall always remain a pig.

seanet02:
Only the Ibos can tell what happens to them when they tried to Invade Yorubaland despite all warning.
Iam out

I guess you meant display of inherent traits of treacherousness like Afonja. You are surely living in a fool’s paradise.

killayut:
This is definitely going to make Ijaw stronger, When people gang up to hate you cos of your resources it builds your strength and gives you courage to defend your self. A Benin / Ijaw small misunderstanding over GELE GELE thread turned out to be a mass Igbo/ Yoruba hate groups on the Ijaws, shame on you duo SOUTHERN NIGERIA BIA/ WA tribalists. God is with us and no inch of IJAW land will be lost to you hungry rags.

This delusional mindset spurred by incessant drunkenness is one of the reasons the call for Nigeria disintegration remains loudest. Before you make further fool of yourself, I suggest you take a look around what is purported to be so called Ijo land. I have maintained and will continue to imply that crude oil struck on territorial waters belongs to all Nigerians.

As for strength of Ijo in case Nigeria gravitates toward the areas of greater disorder, I can honestly say Ijo has zero chance.

The so-called Ijo have no land talk less of acreage capable of producing a gallon of crude oil. Foolishness could be considered inherent on the part of Ijo if they could not discern as being used like a toilet paper. I guess time will tell.

ow11:
@Dede1

Were these natives were Igbos or Oru as Abagworo suggested. Then I ask again what does Ama onye nabo mean in Igbo so that I can verify whether it serves the same purpose in present day Ijaw land.

Ama Onye Nabo is Igbo phrase and self explanatory. A person whose compound is swept, weeded, cleaned by the entire members of the community on every stipulated market day is not an ordinary person. “Jojo awughi nwatakiri na Akwete”.

ow11:
@Dede1

Were these natives were Igbos or Oru as Abagworo suggested. Then I ask again what does Ama onye nabo mean in Igbo so that I can verify whether it serves the same purpose in present day Ijaw land.

You are a known revisionist of Ijo extraction who does not need additional clues to engender more damages than required. Definitely, you can not secure such clues from me bros.

ow11:
@ Killayut

I think the similarities between Ijaw and Ancient Egypt are just coincedences IMO.


@Dede1

I ask again, what is the meaning of Ama Onye Nabo in Igbo?  then  secondly, why is your story about boat people called 'jos' by the portuguese not wrong? We are all debating oral traditions and PhysicsQED is providing some documentary evidence to back up his claim. I would like you to provide proper evidence documentary and linguistic  evidence showing that Ijaw people were called 'jos' which means 'porter' in Portuguese AND that Eastern Ijaw clans were all established by Igbos and somehow managed to get a language and culture different from the original founders of said villages (Bille, Krakrama, Nkoro, Abonnema, Tombia etc) whom they somehow managed to teach a new language and culture.

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The land in Gelegele is similer to the Palestine/Israeli conflict. Ijaws now live there and have done so at least for over a 100 years.

You know that Nwanwa are treated with soft cloves. In some places, it is Igwe or Eze. Not every Di.ck or Tom gets his compound cleared, swept and cleaned by the entire community at a stipulated date or day.

I have never written that “Jos” is porters and invariable Ijo. I had written that what become Ijo are combination of natives and porters European brought to the bight of Biafra. As PhysicsQED stated that languages change somewhat over time, the reference Portuguese gave to the people whom they met at Rio Real, thus, “people of the river” gave rise to “Jos” hence Ijo.

[quote author=ndu_chucks link=topic=760170.msg9205832#msg9205832 date=1316789449]Interesting segue.  But Abagworo, is there any truth to the accusation that Igbo tribalism when killayut's people were under  eastern region deprived  them of  education at that time? 

@Dede1, must your blows always be below the belt even when the face and body are available for same? [/quote]How? The jackass provided an opening and I exploited it rather legally.

killayut:
Your Igbo tribalism when we were under eastern region deprived us of education at that time. The KALABARIS / OKRIKAS AND BONNY were lucky since they have attained education already before the eastern Region era and so were able to use that to penetrate the Igbo tribalism. and they were clser to the schools in Igbo land . They were able to go to school all the way from the coast to the Igbo land were the schools were hyjacked to by the Igbo eastern government rulers, the section of Ijaw that is now BAYELSA WAS the worse hit, EASTERN REGION GOVERNMENT never developed it and that was why ADAKA BORO started his rebelion, It is that same hate and tribalism you nasty fools have till today that you are vexed with Ijaw development, Too bad you can not derail us now, we have come to realize this tribalism thing and we are now ready to face it . watch out for BAYELSA state in another 10 yrs and weep for your IGBO land.

You sounded very unintelligently and incoherently too. You claimed Ijo had received European education before Ndigbo and still claim Ndigbo deprived Ijo means to European education. You were right because Europeans built first schools on the boat.  If I did not experience the social condition on the ground in Yenegoa about the 80s, I would have given a reasonable consideration to your illogical rant.

By the way, Ijo are still using the poo water to wipe their anus after defecating into to the same water. Have you stopped welcoming Ijo sons and daughters who graduated from UI and UniLag with a dance troupe at the airport?

PhysicsQED:
I have read accounts that state clearly that the name Ijo derives from Ujo, a famous ancestor of the Ijaws and some of these accounts also acknowledge that this wasn't the original name for the Ijaws but that Oru was the original name. That the original name was Oru does not mean that the name Ijo, by simple elimination, derives from a European word.

Can someone (i.e. Dede) give a convincing linguistic argument showing that there is a particular reason that the Portuguese would use the word "Jos" or "Ijos" to refer to "boat people", "seamen", "sailors", "fishermen", "ferrymen", or "people of the river" or even "porter" "helper" "servant" or even anything similar? Portuguese dictionaries are accessible, and I can't see how there is a connection between the word "Ijo" or "Jos" and Portuguese words. Granted, languages change somewhat over time, but if the word "Jos" did not have a meaning in their language, I doubt they (the Portuguese) were the ones that made up the term.


As an example of one of the accounts I was referring to:

http://www.ijawfoundation.org/people.htm

^^^

Although there are several things stated in there that I disagree with completely (such as the false claim about a population of 14 million Ijaws and some of the historical claims), I have to say that I am more inclined to believe that the term Ijo is of African origin than Portuguese.

I am not a linguistic by any stretch of imagination. However, I am of the school of thought which believes human understanding stresses experience. As you have rightfully stated that languages change somewhat over time hence there are Amachere for Amaikiri, Ama Onye anabo for Amayenagbo, Opu Obu for Opobo, Ubani for Bonny and Mmerenini for Mein. There is a word that sounds like “Jos” in the Portuguese’s reference to the “people of the river”. I am just interested in finding the true color of certain things and view attempts the time and certain dubious individuals have conspired to sit historical fact on its head.

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Like father like son.

Onlytruth:
Posted by: Ibime
Not true. They became "ohu" or "oru". Not the same as Osu.
But, like I said, lets drop this topic and move on.
Aren't you even curious why this thread has remained here in Politics sections, instead of the usual "Secessionist, Racism and Tribalism" section?
Folks should really be smarter than this, honestly.
Move on bro. It is well.

I noticed the seemly oversight

Ibime:
Please educate me OnlyTruth,

What is the meaning of Oru in Igbo?

Why should a slave in Igboland be called Oru?

[b]Oru is the real name of the Ijaw people. It was the whiteman who called us Ijo, but our proper name is Oru. This must mean that slaves to Igbo must have been traditionally taken from the Oru people.[/b]In addition, a statement made by Abagworo struck me. He said that his people have a saying that "I am Oru, but I am not Ijaw". Are Abagworos people not colonised Igbos of original Oru extraction? Bear in mind Abagworo is from a riverine community in Imo State.

Sometimes I admire your honesty even against the dead weight of current and treacherous revisionism. You accused me of whitewashing history yet you confirmed that Ijo was the making of Europeans, a fact I have stated amongst unwarranted abuse. The laughable aspect of the history is an attempt to convert Ijo to Izon. I guess the moronic imbeciles forget the plank of your argument that suggested Oru.

[quote author=ndu_chucks link=topic=760170.msg9200345#msg9200345 date=1316715876]Which Biafra are you referring to here, the one that seccessionists hoped for or imagined? Eastern region of the great Federal Republic of Nigeria, was made up of Igbo land and several other areas. I don't believe a majority of the Ijaws agreed to your seccession pact. no?[/quote]Of course, the Biafra you know since you suckled your mother’s breast. I guessed you also believed the majority or lack thereof Ndigbo agreed to the Biafra’s secessionist pact. It will not surprise you to hear the son of the so-called Ijo gave the name, Biafra, to eastern region of Nigeria. Believe all you want but never stride to become a lazy scholar.

[quote author=ndu_chucks link=topic=760170.msg9200119#msg9200119 date=1316713429]Do you have any evidence to disprove the claim that Igbos were traded as slaves by the Ijaws as claimed?  Do you deny that the utopian biafra would include alll land areas currently claimed as Ijaw land?

I'm all ears and wish to be informed.  I'd rather you speak for Ndigbo than the dullards parading themselves as champions of the the Igbo cause. The said  olodos include the likes of Onlytruth Chyz*, & Obiagu1.[/quote]There was no single ethnicity in Africa that avoided the wave of slave trade. The seemly disconnect in the history of slave trade on the bight of Biafra has been created by people who were not the principal actors during activities of slavery. You must agree with me that a porter to Europeans has no tangible contribution to transaction which involved slave. The principal actors from Ejike, Opara, Owerri, Kamalu, Opu kara Onye, Alagbara to Amaikiri including their sidekicks such as Ediabali, Edimiri, Odum, Ugo and Mbagaramba were Igbo.

I could bet my last cent that the jackass named nasoeb is a byproduct of slavery.

Again for umpteenth time, Biafra was not a republic of Igbo land. Biafra was eastern region of Nigeria. I have no doubts you know your geography and what acreage constituted eastern region of Nigeria.

[quote author=ndu_chucks link=topic=760170.msg9199999#msg9199999 date=1316712190]nasoeb is handling you and the other usurpers quite well I might add. The thread was about Binis and Ijaws, but somehow, you people find ways to inject your expansionist and unpatriotic wishes into discussions. You are yet to prove that the Ijaws were not trading you people as slaves as claimed. olodo[/quote]I thought you were better informed than these craps you spewed on this post.

It takes one “Nwa-boy” (housecleaner) to know another. When you are done talking to the delusional Ama Onye Anabo in the backwater called Bonny, you will stumble onto the real truth. But till than continue to wallow in your demented state of confused cretin.

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There is nothing absolutely wrong with the picture. The only wrong thing I see with this post is the inferior mentality of the poster. USA and Europeans have their ceremonial protocol and regimentation which are different from what obtained in Nigeria. In the picture, you will see that Nigeria president has male military ADC (middle-ranked senior military) which should hang closely behind his boss. It is will not be proper for ceremonially dressed military officer to hang closely at the arse of the first lady.

nasoeb:
Thanks ONLYTRUTH, quite mature of you

@udezue

The igbos might think they are more in number but honestly its not the number its the brain. only a fooll will think its the number which you are.

The igbos have always lived at our beck and call, they live at our command. though you may still be a kid but if you know any igbo living in Bonny or Opobo you can asked what happened 2007 from january till early 2009, taking june 15th 2008 into cognizance. Its not a boasting matter, you can asked call anyone or better still check online Tribune of that date. it is countless how many igbos lost their lives, those killed and drown in the see and those shot by our boys. the rest fled for their lives (why not stay and claim land. God punish una) , dont be deceive, forget numbers. I confidently tell you that is why Bonny have an Army Special Base up till today considering how many Army, Navy had there Heads CUT OFF, need less talking about the Police, you can as well get your facts from " CHANNEL CLINIC" as it was used as the official hospital then, send anyone to confirm this story as you claim to know Bonny, And the ironing of it all was that NON OF THESE BOYS WERE KILLED. as they were using powers beyond what the igbo man may ever dream of ( boats were seen empty but gun firing from it). I know all these as i was even appointed to "write up their agitations" 

I have given you reason why we became close and accepted the igbos (during the slave era they were the people we sold.) this made us very close to the igbos as the slaves encouraged our kids to learn the igbo language so they can effectively carry out there household chores, another prove, Nollywood movie 1995 - 1998 Not very sure, you will see it and i will urge a anyone to confirm.

I have always been on top of all igbos that come my way because they always think they are smart but foolish and baffle how i beat their fish brains. All my University days in Uniport (College of Health Science, anyone in Uniport can confirm) I headed a group called G-14 in charge of making some reforms precisely for the Faculty in close affiliations with SUG then, I was the only ijaw, 2 ikwerres and the remaining igbos but they fall to my command. even as am not there anymore but i still decide who becomes the President of that faculty based on my formulated rules, these at the midst of the so-called wise igbos who are nothing but FOOLs, Confirm in Uniport, College of Health Sciences

some igbo idiots should learn to cut the coats to their size and wake up from their slumber and stop thinking they are wise.

Only fools thinks every language spoken originates from Igbo

every land originate from igbo, where then did igbo language came from? From Heaven? God packaged igbo language in DHL and send to your igbos. well as fools which you are, you will not see that the so called igbo language could have originated from someones' else's language, FAT FOOLLS.

I have given you prove in all i say and will give you even more. i dont just talk for talking sake

this thread WAS NEVER YOUR CONCERN, But as the God-forsaken people you are, you will sure jump in.

This is pitiful ranting of a drunken ant. You must be a jaundiced troll if a slave rose to the position of royalty in your stinking domain.

[quote author=alj_harem link=topic=764614.msg9187922#msg9187922 date=1316564875]and ijaw is not a treat to National unity ?

the day ijaw declear war against the north is the day ijaw/izzon will end finally

i think this people are drunk

ahhhhh izon

i beg u no try somethig wey u no fit finish

even in the south, we can start the war against una from lagos to anambra

then we can progress

I just hope this people don't think the north is the same and the 2 brotherly cowards of the west and east
THIS IS THE NORTH !!!!

we don't fight with sentiment of land grabing etc. WE FIGHT WITH FAITH . U hear

ideeiot

I am waiting for that ideeiot called killuyut[/quote]Is there something a person can not read on this forum? I never thought to see a day when a loudmouthed freeloader such as alj haram would lump eastern region of Nigeria into a category of cowards. I guess you are demented. I promise you shall live to experience the regrets of such statements.

PhysicsQED:
Obiagu, I understand the angle you're trying to argue from, but that angle is flawed and it may be due to the fact that you're viewing all of this out of historical context.


Let me provide the historical context.

Gelegele was a large Bini village that was burned down to virtually nothing in February 10th 1897 by British soldiers under Captain O'Callaghan of the Royal Navy. It was a point of contact with Europeans for centuries and had received them with no problems or conflicts there. There was no Benin military presence there so it was captured and destroyed without a fight. When the British got to the town of Ughoton, they had an actual fight on their hands, but they took out Gelegele with no trouble. With the village of Gelegele destroyed, and the village itself being smaller to begin with than say, Ughoton, it made sense that there were fewer Binis that returned there.

After 1897, some Binis returned, but over time the Ijaws came to be predominant in the area.

That does NOT make Gelegele "Ijaw land" all of a sudden. The argument by the Binis that Gelegele is historical Benin land is backed by history.

The Ijaw never had a real traditional ruler there who was recognized by anyone else other than some Ijaws, although now they are trying to turn the community head of a settler population into a real traditional ruler.

It's this simple:

1. Binis found and occupy Gelegele for hundreds of years. Not only are they the founders, they are the majority inhabitants for centuries.
2. The British invade, and soldiers under Captain O'Callaghan burn Gelegele down to virtually nothing on February 10th, 1897.
3. Fewer Binis return to Gelegele after the defeat of Benin.
4. Some Ijaws populate the place for trade reasons. Later the place becomes most heavily inhabited by Ijaws.
5. Ijaws declare that the place is Ijaw land, and elevate a mere Ijaw community headman to "royalty" after oil is discovered there. A dispute with the Binis ensues.
6. A Midwestern government inquiry looks into the dispute and rules in the Binis' favor (1970), that the land is Edo land on which the Ijaws are tenants.
7. The case goes up to the level of the Supreme Court of Nigeria and the ruling is in the Binis' favor (1983).
8. The Ijaws continue their aggression over land that they have no real historical reason to be claiming.


All of this information is freely available and could be found out by anyone who was actually interested in looking at the history of the place objectively. Of course, if one doesn't know anything about the actual history of the place and that it was a majority Bini village for centuries, then one might make the mistake Ambrose Alli did, and assume that the Ijaw agitators had an actual case for their claims.

As for the example of your village that you gave. Read #5 on my list above and you'll see why this is a different kind of situation.

Also, different ethnic nationalities would probably not agree over issues of land as easily as different clans within the same ethnic group, so that alone makes it a more complicated situation.

So-called Ijo were also porters to British Expeditionary forces. It is funny to read attempts by the Ijo to make us believe they have graduated from boat people to landowners.

Ibime:
Since Nasoeb is a Bonny boy, Ndigbo should feel free to come and claim him. From his vituperations on this thread, a big shock awaits any Ndigbo who would try to claim a Bonny man as one of his own.

Ama means town in Ijaw

Whilst Wari means House or Compound.

It would seem the Southern Igbo took the name Ama from their Ijaw neighbours or vice-versa or perhaps its just a mere coincidence. I don't see the French claiming that they own the Television just because the English stole the word from France. Nor do the Romans own the word Bath just because they invented the Bath. The attempt by Dede to claim exclusivity of a word speaks more of his neanderthal approach to issues. Our forefathers have been exchaning wards and wares since Dede's great-great-great-great-great grandfather was wearing nappies.

There was no iota of attempt on my part to exclusively claim the word, AMA, for Ndigbo. I do not have such cultural or traditional authority to attempt such a thing. If there are individuals bent on changing or claiming words to suit their socio-political ends, I will honestly say Ijo. From Opu Obu, Amaikiri, Mmerenini, Mbagamba, Ama Onye anabo to Azumiri, Ijo have relentlessly tried to change the Igbo names and words to rhyme with the language spoken by Akens in (Gold Coast) later known as Ghana.

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I thought Nigerians had misguided but general concession that Fulani people do not engage in armed robbery or thievery of any nature.

killayut:
If Nigeria is not one country let us define our boundary and go our ways to avoid this stupidity. But if Nigeria is one country then Nigerians where ever should have the right to live and survive, What is this nonsense ? Telling a human being he does not have right at where he was born and living when you do not live there . Idiots, Can this happen in USA, CANADA, UK ? Nigerians are the most racist monkeys.

When a nitwit such as you wrote the above crap, did you remember the "abandon property" policy Nigerian government under Gowon and Rivers State goivernemnet under Dietto Spiff stood up in Port Harcourt? I guess the Ijo and Spiff are more than idiots when they confiscated the properties belonging to fellow Nigerians as “abandon property”. Ijo have never owned a structure outside the boat.