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Any body who thinks that a successful free and fair election or any election could be held in a de facto divided country such as Ivory Coast is a drooling fool. Now I realized why Gbagbo refused to stage election since five (5) years because the political condition in Ivory Coast has been ridiculous.

Aigbofa:
Honor? What honor? Like kidnapping school kids for ransom? Like using grandma, cousins, brothers and sisters for money making rituals?
What is the definition of honor and betrayal again?

I know with little time to spare, an irredeemable tribal bigot such as you will approach this thread with a pronounced idiocy.

step1:
"Who shall we send and who will go for us" Holy Bible.

As Nigeria tethers at the brink of disaster, it has become hell for Southerners. But each time it tries to forge a common alliance that will throw off the yoke of the Hausa-Fulani tyranny it becomes more divided than ever because of the distrust and animosity between the Igbos and the Yorubas that arose out of the ashes of the Biafran war.

It is barely 30 years since the end of the war but any attempt to examine the source of these animosities has tended to generate more heat than light. Due extreme emotions, objectivity is lost. To move forward, it is necessary to expose these animosities since this is the root of the great divide in the South and the source of strength for the Hausa-Fulani oligarchy.

Rightly or wrongly, the Igbos have blamed the Yorubas for their lack of support of the Biafran cause. They have accused the Yorubas of everything from being cowards to traitors. Their esteemed leader, Awolowo, is the bogey man. He has been blamed for everything from famine in the East to the drought in the North. This is not an attempt to hold brief for Awo, because I know this gentleman can hold his own from the grave.

This war was a very traumatic period in Nigerian history especially for the Igbos. But how did we get there? Are the Yorubas or Western region really responsible for what befell the Igbos? Since the end of the war, it has not been to obtain records and transcripts of official deliberations that took place in the immediate period leading to the war. Most of the major players are dead. The few who are still alive are silent. Ojukwu who was a major player is loquacious but whatever he has said or still saying is empty, peripheral and to a great degree, self-serving. The Biafran war needs to be studied so we can learn from the mistakes of the actors who were human and acted according to the dictates of their time. With these lessons we can free ourselves from recrimination, bury the hatchet and salvage the South from the choke-hold of the Northern hegemony.

There is much blame to go around but as a minority person who has watched the three tribes fight one another over the resources of the minorities, I sincerely believe that the Yorubas have been blamed out of proportion to their roles during the war. It is time for the Igbos to forgo the emotions and re-examine the war and the period in which it was fought. Perhaps, they will discover that the war was lost before it was started. No matter how noble your cause is, nobody wants to die for a lost cause. This was a tactical war that resulted from the action of Igbo officers. If Nzeogwu and the gang of coup plotters had not struck, maybe the history of Nigeria would have been different. Perhaps the pogrom that took place in the North would not have happened. The various regions would have matured and Nigeria would have evolved a strong confederation through dialogue.

There were various issues and personalities that played themselves out in periods before and during the war. There were rivalries between individuals with different approaches to solving problems. Zik and Awo worked hard to gain the trust of their people. Ojukwu and Gowon were trusted into the limelight by the events that unfolded. It is difficult to fathom the extent to which the wish to hold center stage can corrupt good motives,  The rivalry between Zik and Awolowo dates back before independence. Either out of intellectual laziness or the need to divert attention from the failings of the Igbo leaders during the war, the role of Awo has been played up to mythical proportions.

It is easier to mention external factors than to look at the intrinsic weakness that led to the fall of Biafra. It was a war that came too early and was badly prosecuted. It was fought in a period of national hysteria when all the regions were going through their individual crisis: from the conflagration in the West to assassination of Ahmadu Bello and the ensuing pogrom. It was a period of mob hysteria and the loudest voices were not necessarily the voices of reason. It should be recalled that at the beginning of the war, Awo had spent almost three years in prison. Here was a man who, at the peak of his career found himself in jail. His region in crisis and his much beloved son dead. He watched all he had toiled for literally go up in flames. This no doubt may have had a profound effect on him. Is it possible for him to think that the Eastern leaders did not support him in his hour of need. Is it impossible that the years in solitary and his experience in the West and the lives lost may have taught him that political solution was the best way to go at the time, and that no region can go it alone?

It should also be recalled that Zik, also opposed the war. But this eloquence was no match for Ojukwu’s arrogance and bravado. Till his death there was an uneasy silence between these two. Because both were Igbos, the relationship between them was not explored. Maybe political scholars did not consider it controversial enough. Ojukwu has used Awo to explain his failing for a long time and it is time that this issue is explored and the characters of the two men compared. In one his rare interviews, Awo explained that when he met Ojukwu at the Calabar prison, he did ask the young man to try and explore a political option but Ojukwu in reply said Awo was talking platitudes. But granted that Awo gave Ojukwu his verbal support what does it say about the Igbos when on the verbal proclamation of one man they would embark upon a war? What other Yoruba leaders did they meet? Awo is just one man in Yoruba land. However much they revere him, they are not gong to on a suicide mission just because Awo said so. Any good leader looks to the long term interest of his people.

Those who have accused Awo of tribalism forget one thing: Awo was elected to defend the interest of the Western region. It was somebody else’s to do the same for the Eastern region. At various times, each region has threatened to secede from the Nigerian federation. When in 1957 Nigeria was to be granted independence the North said it was not ready. Awo was said to have had discussions with Zik saying the South should go ahead with independence because the North will never be ready even if given a hundred years. Zik turned around and formed an alliance with Ahmadu Bello and the South waited three years for the North to prepare for independence (Similarities between Pakistan and India. The British divided India into two nations –India and Pakistan because of religious differences).

This is the origin of our problems. Awo never forgave Zik for this. This pattern of alliance and betrayal was to repeat itself until their death. They could no longer trust each other on issues of South-South dialogue as Zik was always prone to renege at the last moment only to emerge with a Northern alliance. Because of this, Awo fought tooth and nail to gain ascendancy over Zik in the West. He played a role in the carpet crossing in the West that deprived Zik the leadership. He was accused of exploiting tribal sentiments to further his purpose but he was a man who acted according to the dictates of his time. To do otherwise is to suffer perdition. Zik learnt quickly from this episode, made a dash to the East and practically threw Eyo Ita out of the Eastern house to become the premier. This was the politics of the time. Everybody played the game.

It is against this background that I see Awo as a leader who loved his people and this should not be seen as hatred for others. Those who also say that the Yorubas gained ascendancy of industry because of the marginalization of the Igbos fail to see the fact that most institutions in the West had been built before independence under the captainship of Awo.

Awo is a man who looked for the long term interest of his people. The sooner the Igbos stop using him as an excuse for the failure of Biafra, the easier it is for them to discern good leadership that would serve them.

After all the atrocities that resulted from his faulty judgment during the war, I am amazed that Ojukwu is still a celebrated figure in Igboland. If he were in other lands he would be confined to the heap of infamy because so many lives were lost due to his decisions. His conduct and utterances since his return from exile leaves much to be desired. He is a spoilt child who never grew up. He did not learn nor forgot anything. He is a man who loves power and not for what he can do for his people but for what power can do for his ego. To continue to blame the Yorubas for his failures shows that he has not learnt to take responsibility for his actions. He is a lost cause but I am amazed at the gullibility of his followers. Despite being labeled as cowards and traitors, the Yorubas have learned to thread very carefully. They have taken the lessons of the Biafran war to heart and fully understands that going it alone will not yield good results. Each time they try to seek the alliance with the Igbos because they know it is the right thing to do fully realizing that arrogance in this enterprise will serve no good purpose. While they may be outraged about the condition they find themselves, they do not consider it good judgment to endanger the lives of millions in a precipitate action that will not have a lasting solution

When it concerns Abiola and Obasanjo they are in a difficult situation. This is what you might call a tight situation because these two individuals did everything to demean Awo whom the Yorubas revered. In fact, Abiola in a bid to gain ascendancy in the Hausa-dominated process derided Awo to the great satisfaction of his Northern masters. Today, Awo must be laughing in his grave! This is the dilemma faced by the Yorubas. Their love for justice and freedom on one hand and a desire to avenge the humiliation of Papa Awo, on the other.

After all is said and done, I know that the three big tribes have one thing in common: a desire to exploit the resources of the minorities. This is the only place they are united. But the Ogonis and other minorities have decided they would not tolerate this situation any longer. After watching the politics of the big three, I will state categorically that it is the precipitate actions of the Igbos that brought us to this present predicament and the onus is on them to join alliances with forces that will extricate us from the present situation. I am not asking them to lead. They are war weary. This is understandable. They should, however understand that Nigeria is not a better place for the Igbo man than for the Yoruba man. At present, the South has become an object of derision.

CONCLUSION: The Igbos should understand that the crisis facing the South today was directly or remotely caused by them. But because their leaders had not been sincere to them, they have continuously propagated the lie that the West is responsible for their problem. A few facts should illuminate this:

  [b] 1. In 1957, the North threatened to secede if independence was granted to Nigeria because they were not ready. Zik, was supposed to have reached an understanding with Awo to let the North go. But to Awo’s consternation, Zik formed an alliance with the North which succeeded in delaying independence and allowed the North to get ready.
   2. In 1966, a group of young Igbo officers planned a coup that killed only non-Igbo politicians. Included among the politicians was Ahmadu Bello who was a god-like figure to the Northerners. Before you could say Jihad, all the Sabongaris were on fire and the pogrom that would lead to the civil war has started,
   3. Instead of trying to seek immediate political solution to the crisis, the Igbos declared Biafra. They war lasted for 30 months. The Igbos lost everything. The Hausa-Fulani oligarchy took this defeat of Biafra as the conquest of the South. Since then, they have transformed the privilege of leadership into that of a birthright and they have used it not only to stunt the growth of the South but also to subject their people to a state of perpetual servitude and feudalistic iniquities.[/b]

I stand to be corrected

http://www.nigerdeltacongress.com/iarticles/igbo.htm

The conclusion sums up the entire drivel as reckless endeavor in futility. I have read quotes on this forum from this conjectural nonsense. 

Take a good look at the crass attempts by this ill-informed author to delve in a subject beyond his/her intellectual ability. For example, the case of 1957 in which the author talked about alliance. The truth was there was no alliance formed in 1957 however there was scheduled constitutional conference on granting independence to the protectorates. Zik indicated about not attending because of the fiscal allegation level against him by the British imperialists. It must be recalled that when the conference was finally held, neither Bello nor Awo demanded separate independence status of northern or western region.

Every right thinking Nigerian knew that January 15, 1966 coup was anything but Igbo coup. It was a coup precipitated by members of Nigerian armed forces in which young Igbo army officers represented more than their fair share.

If this writer is not dumb and deaf, he/she is certainly ignorance. Biafrans and Ojukwu did not start the infamous “police action” as this drunken author would want us to believe. The aforementioned police action has been overtly claimed by Gowon as the instigator. Maybe the author was holed up in the cave when the Ojukwu and eastern regional officials agreed on the conditions reached at the Aburi, Ghana only to found that Gowon and Nigerian officials had reneged on accord reached in Aburi, Ghana the moment they touched down at Lagos.

I am not surprise that the source of this conjectural junk is nigerdeltacongress. Now, it is a delusional Igbo person who shall fail to see the handwriting on the wall.

Pornodude:
Some months ago when travelling to Eastern Nigeria, just near owerri, we happened across a bunch of misfits / revelers driving a pick-up wagon recklessly and waving a colorful flag and all the while, releasing round after round of shotgun fire into the air like there was no tomorrow. I noticed they kept ululating a particular word at every gunshot fired. the word was Biafra. i cringed inwardly to see that this were a certain group who were to enlighten and educate the public on the gains of joining Biafra. these youths looked drunk and stoned and extremely dangerous. well, on settling down in the motherland, i noticed that the only groups of people that upheld biafra and the biafran dream were the drunks, troublemakers, and the downcast. one welder even boasted openly that he would be one of the governors when biafra takes sit. i cringed once again, but openly. Biafra is a pipe-dream that some who weren't even born when it seemed like a good idea cling to like it were life's bosom. My Igbo brothers and Barbies, pls when the whole world is becoming a global village, would it be proper to continue smoking the pipe of biafra and giving ourselves lucid hallucinations over what wouldn't work in this present time and age. Biafra is not worth all the trouble when i consider the ilk of people who uphold it.

Kpam. i have spoken. pls withhold every attack cos it would only be counterproductive.

I thought this dude is intelligent enough to draw reasonable conclusion from his/her post. Believe you me; I shall waste no time to sojourn to any African countries where the political atmosphere could spur a roadside welder to freely entertain the idea of becoming a governor.

It is very interesting that the welder you looked upon with a disdainful stare had better intellect than you in concluding that Nigeria is a total cesspit and Biafra would offer better opportunities.

[quote author=bk.babe97y link=topic=587692.msg7586402#msg7586402 date=1295785179]Ndibo is unified only when there is human meat to eat![/quote]Did you escape from being eaten by Ndigbo to know this crap?

I spent much of my time on plans to carve Nigeria into pieces.

udezue:
There is technology out there to turn black and white pics and videos into color. If u dont know it by now then u are really dumb.

Bros, it is a known fact without well coordinated assistance, the dude can not find his/her way to door knob. Dumb is an understatement.

silami:
may be Dede1 can tell us who the person is,

I know with time you shall show your true colors. Since you are the self-acclaimed forum expert on Igbo people, including their disunity, the honor rests on you disingenuous self.

@KnowAll

Bros, quite arguing with people who are socio-politically naive. In fact, the instance of these elections is unfortunate and misplaced priority. Ivory Coast is a de-facto divided country and should have been encouraged to have two republics.

Again, African countries close to archiving ethnical heterogeneity should not be allowed to stand because such countries will not feature well in the manipulative games of the so-called “international community”.

playmode: While it is sad for any human being to lose their  life in this manner.    We have to take a careful look at the circumstances. I happen to visit the turffontein area on a regular bases because there is a Nigerian restaurant there where I normally get my weekly dose of egusi ,ogbono, oha, bitter leaf soup and jollof rice. Turffontein has been turned in to a drug dealing cesspool by Nigerians. You see them on almost every street corner peddling their trade in broad day light. The have ruined many peoples lives with their trade, school children in that area especially Forest Hill High and Turffontein High no longer attend classes. I see them buying drug from these Nigerians and some of the Nigerians even sleep with these underage girls from the highs schools and offer them drugs as payment. I was not “told” about this , this is what I see every time I go there.     It make me feel bad and I do not blame South Africans when they show their hatred towards us. There are many other African immigrants there but you don’t see them getting arrested by the police because they stay away from crime. It is only my Nigerian brothers that you will see committing crime in broad day and walking with their shoulders in the air and their signature pointed Italian shoes, screaming at the top of their lungs on their cellphone like they own the world. You can spot a drug dealing Nigerian a mile away just from his attitude and posture.    Nigerians more or less brought the bad name they have in SA upon themselves.

That being said I have not ruled out the possibility of this being a Nigerian Government ordered hit. Knowing how demonic our politicians are , it is quite possible that this guy was targeted because of his affiliations with okah.

But come to think of , knowing how wealthy Okah is ,I doubt anyone working for him will be residing in an area like turffontein which is a crime hotspot. He is a smart guy ,I don’t think he would want his men to be in an area that attracts the police. Then again I could be wrong.

My question is why did he run if he was not guilty?

As for the Nigerian Embassy ,I wonder why you guys are complaining.    Some of you here are vouching for Jonathan and the PDP to continue to enslave Nigerians but here you are complaining about Nigerian embassy. Please stop complaining, you get and deserve what you vote for, plain and simple.    kapish!

Is it a crime to run from police especially a police department notorious for extra-judicial murders? If this so-called competent police squared had conducted its investigation properly as you would have us believe, why must the police want a suspect to lead them to where the drugs are hidden?

Let me remind you that the original post indicated police came with sniffing dogs and should not require the help of an arrested suspect to lead them (police) to the stashes of drugs in the house. There is no saint under the sun. Do not rejoice over the sudden death of fellow man because it could be your turn tomorrow regardless of your position.

[quote author=ndu_chucks link=topic=590888.msg7584036#msg7584036 date=1295729256]bla bla bla, story, story.

You sound as if every square centimeter of your land area is oil producing and has been destroyed by pollution. You cannot deceive anyone here. You have more than 70% of arable land in the region, why have you not developed the land? Please name a single item that has been produced by your industries (if they exist) or your entrepreneurs. I’m sure you cannot name any. Wadooo[/quote]The so-called south has been very goofy in paying serious attention to agricultural sector.

step1:
[b]Quote
CONCLUSION: The Igbos should understand that the crisis facing the South today was directly or remotely caused by them. But because their leaders had not been sincere to them, they have continuously propagated the lie that the West is responsible for their problem. A few facts should illuminate this:

1. In 1957, the North threatened to secede if independence was granted to Nigeria because they were not ready. Zik, was supposed to have reached an understanding with Awo to let the North go. But to Awo’s consternation, Zik formed an alliance with the North which succeeded in delaying independence and allowed the North to get ready.
2. In 1966, a group of young Igbo officers planned a coup that killed only non-Igbo politicians. Included among the politicians was Ahmadu Bello who was a god-like figure to the Northerners. Before you could say Jihad, all the Sabongaris were on fire and the pogrom that would lead to the civil war has started,
3. Instead of trying to seek immediate political solution to the crisis, the Igbos declared Biafra. They war lasted for 30 months. The Igbos lost everything. The Hausa-Fulani oligarchy took this defeat of Biafra as the conquest of the South. Since then, they have transformed the privilege of leadership into that of a birthright and they have used it not only to stunt the growth of the South but also to subject their people to a state of perpetual servitude and feudalistic iniquities.

The Igbo/Yoruba Relationship

[/b]
http://www.nigerdeltacongress.com/iarticles/igbo.htm

This rubbish says it all about Nigeria. This irresponsible posturing should not have been allowed appear on the pages of any news media but coming from the so-called nigerdeltacongress is a wake call to any deluded Igbo person.

[quote author=~Bluetooth link=topic=589783.msg7583498#msg7583498 date=1295721231]Abiola is an afrocentrist who strongly and openly canvassed for reparation from europeans for their injustice in Africa.this,he promised to achieve if he becomes president.He is also viewed to be anti-west which was why they didn't support him.
However,if Africans don't want interference from the west,they should prove to the world they can cordinate themselves better.[/quote]I know for fact that these flattery comments about Abiola are load of feel-happy junks. Abiola was an undeniable agent of Europeans and Americans. However in politics, there is no permanent friend but interest. The Europeans/Americans weighed their options and followed the best custodian of their interest at that particular moment.

I guess the so-called “international community” shall be happy with Nigerian officials for throwing billons of dollars for this idio.tic exercise.

Even though this election process could be the worst ever conducted in the colonial contraption called Nigeria, the members of EU, UN, Americans and others will broadcast to the world that Nigeria had conducted “free and fair election”.

[/quote][quote author=cap28 link=topic=589783.msg7583314#msg7583314 date=1295718098]But when we tried to do the right thing in 1993 by voting in Abiola, what happened? wasnt the election annulled by dictator Babangida?  - what did the so called international community do when that happened?  Yeah you guessed it absolutely nothing!!!!

Now a man who has been declared winner by his country's constitutional council has won the election and this same west are now coming forward to shout that the election was rigged? why?

If the west are adopting the stance of an impartial observer why select when and where they intervene?

if the argument is that the west are trying to deter sit tight dictators why arent they implementing this principal in their other (former) colonies? lets look at other french west african countries: Cameroun - the president of that country - Paul Biya  has been in power since 1982, Omar Bongo - late president of Gabon   - longest serving african head of state who remained in power for 42 years with France's support and military aid, Blaise Campaore of Burkina Faso  has been in power since 1987 following his involvement in the murder of his predecessor Thomas Sankara. 

Why is it okay for some african dictators to remain in power for a staggering 42 years with France's backing and not tolerated with others such as Gbagbo?

Gbagbo sent French’s crude oil companies packing in Ivory Coast. If an African leader fails to serve the interest of the so-called “international community” the leader is declared a despot.

@OP

I have been called dumb on the issue by few political and intellectual minnows on this forum. In fact, your posts have been collaborated by my brother-Inlaw who was born and raised in Abidjan. The parties instigating the problem in Ivory Coast are EU, UN and Americans. It is a doctrine they have adopted throughout West Africa whereby the colonialists will support a leader from impoverish North against a leader from economical viable South. In the aftermath, the northern leader of the country does not have leverage because his/her position was made possible by the colonialists.

The final arbiter in the electoral process in Ivory Coast is the Constitutional Council and it declared Gbagbo the winner of the election.

violent:
Me drooling? I presented you with facts you dunderhead, if anything, you should be grateful that i have educated you as best as i can educate a móron.

The strenghts in your argument has suddenly shifted from the usual flawed dumb rantings below

Of a sudden, your ill informed self has chosen to tow the same part as others by resting on the place of announcement as the basis for the Ivory Coast Crises.

Why are you not questioning the CC's right to cancel as much as half a million votes belonging to the opposition?. . . .your blind batted self has instead only chosen to ask why the results were announced at the hotel. . . shior!

I wouldn't spend an extra effort trying to explain things to you, you'd never understand the simplest things, i wouldn't wonder why, you most probably have an IQ with the same figure as your age.

Are you not the same idio.t who informed the Electoral Commission has final say about election results in Ivory Coast?

Again, the Constitutional Council has been mandated by the Ivory Coast constitution, not Gbagbo, to perform a job. The process might not be perfect in Ivory Coast, however, the EU, UN and the Colonialists must abide by the constitutional mandate of Constitutional Council.

violent:
I am glad you made this particular post, it demonstrates without much further ado that you have absolutely no idea or knowledge about Ivory Cost Election, yet, surprisingly, you decided to make an ídiot of yourself by engaging in such arguments.


The Ivory Coast Constitution provides allowance to a mandatory minimum of two elections.  The normal process in this case is to conduct a first election which screens all interested parties to a maximum of two candidates, the two candidates are then expected to proceed further to a second round elections.

In the first round, Gbagbo won by 38.04% and Ouattara followed closely with 32.07%, the third place went to Henry Bedie with 25.24% of the overall votes.
Contrary to your claims, these results were announced by the Electoral Commission, and not the Constitutional Council, and at this time, the Commission's verdict was accepted as correct by all parties.

On the second round which by constitution requires two parties, Henry Bedie and his supporters threw their weights behind Ouattara, and Ouattara allegedly had 54.1% of the votes while Gbagbo had 45.9% of the overall votes,  . . it was at this point that the constitutional council decided to cancel over half a million of the total Ouattara's votes just enough for Gbagbo to come out with a 51.45%

Talk about shifiting the goal post, and you dunderheads think AU, USA, EU, France, and the rest of the world is to be blamed. . . shior!

You my friend should really read up and gather facts, half education they say is worse than total ignorance

I think if there is drooling moro.n on this discuss you are certainly the one. Election in Ivory Coast is announced by electoral Commission but Constitutional Council has final say on the result.

I guess the fool in you should posit why the Electoral Commission announced the second round election result at Hotel Du Golf which was election headquarter of Outtarra without Ivorian news media.

Only a fool that will conjure that since Henry Bedie did not qualify to contest the second election his entire supporter’s votes were surreptitiously moved to Oattarra. Nobody with any iota of formal education will surmise such nonsensical deduction.

silami:
Two things that I know very well:  not all smart people play chess, but no dumb person plays chess. Is Dede1, a fine gentleman, is he a symbol of Igbo's budding democracy. Was Dede1 an unrepentant ethnic bigot  exponent or a man that played to the gallery or it was just a case of political naivety. Oh, no one should hold me on this, but does Dede1 understand the real topic of discuss or is another volture like character that claimed to be applying a sense of academia in rubbishing himself?.

You took this whole issue  and turned it into a debate to display your ignorance. This goes again to show that one of your real big problems  you just can’t seem to stay on point.A question is ask and you jump out of the woodwork to put your on personal spin on it. the real problem here is that you knew there was a lack of unity among igbos politically just like you find in other ethnic groups so it is not exclusive to igbos alone. I expect someone like you who claimed to have a 'sense of academia' should adress the question asked in coherent and consistent manner not delving into so many issues at the same time without addressing non, i ma not surprise anyways, this just shows how crappy is your mindset.  we don’t have in place any type of system to deal with the issues our question raised. I could get totally out of line and suggest that if someone at sometime had lived and travel round the country as you claimed maybe we wouldn’t be having this discussion at all. I could but then I would be just as bad.

As much as I agree that every tribe in Nigeria, have problem, yet i expect , my impatience, the arm-chair critic, I say with avoidance of doubt and with strong conviction that the present you are the dumbest person i have ever come across in this forum, but thank goodness i know all igbos are not like you.  The yam is yours, farm is yours, you have fertilizer, best of farm implements, the reason why you would fail is because you all never wanted to succeed, so prove us wrong and pleeeeaasee succeed in uniting Igbos politically. No dumb person sits in in here but not all the smart ones are part of the process. talking of my ethnicity here you go again of what relevance is it to this discussion if you re so dumb that from my name you can tell, then go and hang yourself. Jaki

Let me for the sake of argument play along with this your goofy idea of Igbo disunity politically. Nigeria is practicing a system of government called democracy. There is more than one political party vying for the chance to govern. Ndigbo are not limited to one political party. The political party membership is open to politically like-minded individuals. There is no provision which stipulates every Igbo person should cow-tow to another because he/she is Igbo.

Since it appears you have enough intellect to direct a food to your mouth or better still have huge interest of Igbo at heart so much you have decided to marry one of them, I would want you to educate us on where the Igbo disunity is displayed baring normal political disagreements.

Please before you embark on the lecture of Igbo disunity politically, I should reiterate that ascendance to Nigerian presidency or any other political position through hook and sinker does not constitute Igbo Unity or lack thereof.

By the way, all the things you accused me none is correct.

violent:
You do not believe in Junks written with ulterior motives by the American or European media----good point!

why not tell the rest of us where you get your facts from that has made you so convinced about the situation on ground? it will be unpleasant to even think you argue your point based solely on "what you think" and not what the situation actually is!


Why haven't you questioned the fact that the constitutional council, a friend and close buddy of Gbagbo nullified over half a million votes of Outtara's supporters and only then could Gbagbo marginally qualified as having won the presidential election ?. . .that's the sole basis for the crises, not when or who announced the result.

This argument is getting pathetic and losing directional intelligence. I am of the view you are not referring to the same Constitutional Council that declared that Gbagbo, even though he garnered the highest percentage of the vote during first round, should contest the second round runoff with Outtarra. If I may follow your illogicality, Constitutional Council members who are close buddy of Gbagbo failed to award the election to Gbagbo when Outtarra was struggling to finish in a second place. Why should Constitutional Council wait till the second round balloting to ward the election to Gbagbo?

I am disappointed that most of the so-called educated Africans would readily accept junks from Europeans and Americans but trash the developing process in Africa. There is no perfect process in the world therefore EU and UN must accept the election result release by the electioneering constituted body such as Ivory Coast’s Constitution Coincil.

[quote author=~Bluetooth link=topic=589783.msg7579503#msg7579503 date=1295650317]Atta mills is an Idi.ot.he's concerned about only ghanians fleeing Ivory coast while ivoriens are being killed by forces loyal to Gbagbo daily.
what has he done in his capacity to resolve the issue ? Has he gone to ivory coast to talk Gbagbo into stepping down ?
useless he-goat[/quote]You do not have to insult the President Atta Mills because he chooses opposing view from your irrational approach. Why do you not advocate for Oattarra to step-down? If Oattarra was the people choice, he would have won simple majority during the first round of balloting instead Oattara finished a distance second to Gbagbo. In fact, the Constitutional Council should have declared Gbagbo the winner during the first round balloting.

superboi:
Ghana justifies position not to use force to resolve Cote d'Ivoire crisis
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2011-01-18 20:11:43

ACCRA, Jan. 18 (Xinhua) -- Ghana on Tuesday justified its position of no military intervention in neighboring Cote d'Ivoire to resolve the post-election crisis.

Ghanaian President John Evans Atta Mills felt vindicated by the position taken by the AU envoys at the United Nations on the political crisis in Cote d'Ivoire, Director of Communications at the Presidential Office Korku Anyidoho told the media here on Tuesday.

African envoys said in a declaration issued earlier that dialogue instead of military action should be used to resolve the post-election crisis in Ghana's western neighboring country.

The evolving refugee situation as a result of the crisis had become a matter of concern in the sub-region as media reports here on Tuesday said over 150 Ghanaian nationals had returned home from Cote d'Ivoire.

Ghana has made it clear that military action should be the last solution to the political crisis that broke out after the national elections on Nov. 28 in the West African country.

"Prior to taking that stance, the president had consulted widely with his service chiefs and former president Rawlings. And everybody knows the role Rawlings played in fostering peace in Africa and in Liberia in particular," Anyidoho said.

He said when the genocide was going on in Rwanda in 1994 and other nations were recalling their troops from the UN operation in the country, Rawlings insisted that the Ghanaian troops remained there to save lives.

Meanwhile, the managing editor of a pro-government newspaper, the Enquire, Raymond Archer, said the position of the AU ambassadors had proved that ECOWAS had goofed badly in deciding to take the military option.

"ECOWAS was not in the position to carry out a successful military campaign, the incumbent's position would have been strengthened," said Archer, who had just returned from Cote d' Ivoire.

Instead, Archer said, ECOWAS should rather explore all diplomatic avenues to resolve the issue since the Ivorian problem went beyond incumbent Laurent Gbagbo and his presidential rival Alassane Ouattara.

"It is a systemic problem which, if not dealt with properly, could resurface in future elections," Archer added.

The historical ties between Ghana and Cote d'Ivoire went beyond just boundary issues. Ghana and its western neighbor produce over 50 percent of cocoa in the world.


Editor: Xiong Tong

Bros, you can now understand why things are wrongly done in Africa especially after they have been fed a dosage of crap by deceptive Europeans and Americans.

violent:
This Dede1 dude is clearly incapable of conducting any form of logical reasoning!

Dude, I do not believe in the junks written with ulterior motives by European and American news media. There is electioneering process in Ivory Coast which was followed to the dictates of Ivorian constitution.

The first round of the election which Gbagbo came first but without clear majority was announced at the electoral commission’s headquarter by Ivorian media and certified by Constitutional Council. If the Ivorian Constitutional Council was biased to Gbagbo, it could have called the election for Gbagbo during the first round of balloting.

However, it was different scenario during the second round of balloting with special interest groups such as EU and UN involved. Instead of announcing the results at the usual place, the so-called electoral commission led by EU and UN staffs announced the result of the election at Hotel Du Golf, the main campaign headquarter of Oattarra, under auspices of European news media.

It does not matter to me if Gbagbo had been in office for 100 years. I believe only in due process regardless how imperfect.

Nigeria number one problem is tribalism and sectional differences both mentally and spiritually. Disintegration of Nigeria will usher new approach to politics and create healthy competition as well as mutual respect among new countries.

Beaf:
Is this a joke?

Bros, with you on the brawl there is no jokes. Probably you need to dig a little deeper.

Biafra was also falsely accused of receiving military support from Apartheid regime of South Africa. I guess Konon Bedie is not the candidate who finished third during first round of balloting and urged his supporter to vote for Oattarra during second round balloting.

[quote author=~Bluetooth link=topic=589783.msg7578763#msg7578763 date=1295642695]www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-11913832[/quote]The so-called electoral commission that announced the result in Hotel du Golf, the main headquarter of Oattarra campaign, was led by EU and UN staffs. The real result was announced by the Ivory Coast’s Constitutional Council the only body that had constitutional pedigree as the final arbiter on election issues in Ivory Coast. The link you submitted by colonial news media failed to explain which party had final say on election matters in Ivory Coast. In USA, the Supreme Court had the final say in presidential election regardless of any result announced by any electoral commission in the land.

The so-called fast rebels a contributor mentioned in the post were Burkinabe troops from Burkina Faso that were masquerading as rebels. It has been authoritatively alleged that Oattarra is a Burkinabe.

Someone posted these links about the atrocities committed by Outtarra supporters and it went unreported by the so-called international media in Ivory Coast.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlFft8t8SI4&feature=player_embedded



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlFft8t8SI4&feature=player_embedded

cold:
This isn't sound judgement to me.We need not wait for another Rwanda,Kenya,Liberia,S/leone or even Zimbabwe before we take neccessary measures to curb further killings.This political quagmire must be stopped now.

Go ahead with your militaristic plan but I must warn you that some Africans both at home and abroad are willing to join the fight against colonial masters in Ivory Coast.