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Ola edo:
Yes, you are correct.There are even those in the north that support him.They were contemplating a share in power, Quatarra for the north and Gbagbo for the south. The so-called international nations(France and US) siad that it was undemocratic and that they should not accept it. The sharing of powers could have solved the matter.

This is another divide and rule adopted by the colonial masters. In each case, colonialists will support impoverish north against economically viable south so that control of the resources will remain in the hands of their puppet. The crude oil deposit in Ivory Coast is situated in the south including timber, Coffee and palm produce. Oatarra is married to a French woman and certainly will be biding for France if Oattara is made president of Ivory Coast. I also support the disintegration of the country into north and south as a means of removing colonial handiwork in division of Africa.

[quote author=~Bluetooth link=topic=589783.msg7578430#msg7578430 date=1295639133]Gbagbo is only trying to get attention of indigenious africans to cover his tracks.put forward any evidence you have against UN and EU if they had manipulated the electoral result to favour ouattara cuz i know they were only observers in the election.
Ecowas have a mandate to restore peace in the regional being the only body to check absolutism of member states and it is the body that can declare miltary action on IC not UN or EU.stop all these propaganda.Are you sure you know what is happening in that country ?
OUATTARA was declared winner before it was overturned by Gbagbo himself.[/quote]I do not know where you got your information about the results. The only source that declared Quattarra winner of the election were EU and UN at the hotel de golf, the election headquarter of Quattarra. This announcement was not even made by the Ivorian press. The legitimate result of the election was announced by Ivory Coast Constitutional Council which is the integral part of Ivorian electioneering process.

cold:
Seriously,does this sound like a reasonable decision?When another civil war breaks out the fall out would be even more costly to contain.Better the evil is nipped in the bud sooner rather than later

There should be no civil war if the Ivory Coast political issue is allowed to be settled by Ivoirians. However, civil war is ensured when foreign interest is placed above the interest of ordinary Ivorian.

[quote author=~Bluetooth link=topic=589783.msg7578320#msg7578320 date=1295637813]I have never supported european colonization of africans .however, africa leaders should not hide under anti-colonial campaigns to further their nefarious agenda.
the people of ivory coast voted for ouattara,why is Gbagbo not letting go ?[/quote]I am not an expert on Ivory Coast’s political issues but what I read suggested otherwise. The only result legitimate to me is the result announced by the Ivory Coast’s constitutional council which is the integral part of electioneering process in Ivory Coast. My bother-in-law lives in Abidjan and story is a simple economic takeover of Ivory Coast by France.

cold:
Ok slow down on the hyper-ventilation.Regarding yourself as Foriegn Affairs Minister in any of the ECOWAS countries,what practical solution/solutions would you recommend to the head of your government  devoid of military intervention

Stay way from the internal political issue of a member nation and urge non-Africans to do the same. There is no perfect political process on earth. There is a electoral process in Ivory Coast and its decision must be obeyed even if the outcome is not what we hoped. The idea of UN or EU announcing the results of elections in Ivory Coast is unacceptable to right thinking African

What is about to happen in Ivory Coast is what happened to Nigeria in 1967 that will lead to everlasting hatred and mistrust among the citizen of Ivory Coast.

[quote author=~Bluetooth link=topic=589783.msg7578113#msg7578113 date=1295636046]what part of the whole saga did you not understand ?
Virtually all diplomatic avenue have been exploited and the stubborn Gbagbo is still bent on hanging on to power,hence,the need for military intervention to restore the duely elected president.Gbagbo's government is illegal and some democrats are not happy about it.[/quote]You are one of the Africans I referred in my post. The so-called duly elected president of Ivory Coast was based on the result of election announced by EU and UN. The last time I check, these useless bodies are not part of Ivory Coast. I guess the so-called democrats you referred in post were the servants of neo-colonialists in Africa.

[quote author=bk.babe97y link=topic=589864.msg7573651#msg7573651 date=1295586261]The same Nigerians he cant wait to kill in 20,000 differnt ways using just his thumb and index finger?

Lol.

Deceitful Ibo man! He gambled on Gen.IBB, Lost, now needs some money (probably to "buy" him a younger wife- - - - we know how Ikembasteroni loves em young) now he's trying to curry favor from the Nigerian Govt! Piece of shiyyyt![/quote]If you have a father of practical experience, you would have tempered your misinformed utterances with a little practical wisdom. Ojukwu is old enough to be the father you have not seen since your miserable life on earth. I guess it is a futile effort to tell a larcenous nitwit about wisdom. I am very sure you will die young if you fail to respect your elders.

alj harem:
Ailing Igbo leader, Chief Chukwuemeka Odumegwu Ojukwu, has expressed gratitude to Nigerians for their support and solidarity.

Governor Peter Obi of Anambra State, who recently returned from a trip to England on a visit made this known in Awka, the Anambra State capital on Thursday.

Obi, who was fielding questions from newsmen after receiving the Political and Economic Chief at the United States Consulate-General office, Lagos, Mr. Phil Drown, at the Government House Awka, said the ex-Biafran warlord was already out of coma and was responding well to treatment.

According to him, Nigerians should be optimistic on the recovery of Chief Ojukwu, pointing out that he was “doing very well.”

When asked if Ojukwu had regained consciousness and if he was talking now, Governor Obi said “he asked me to great Nigerians for him.”

http://tribune.com.ng/index.php/news/16485-ojukwu-expresses-gratitude-to-nigerians

I think it is appropriate to refer to Ojukwu as a Biafran leader.

Any military intervention in Ivory Coast will go a long to indicate the level of idiocy among Africans. The issue is political and should be settle through political approach not military. The majority of responses to Ivory Coast’s political quagmire are very disappointing to say the least. Should Africans also resort to coups in order to change governments across the continent of Africa?

Inundating the Africans with the so-called wikileak’s info is a futile effort. Ivory Coast is burning and Africans are sheepishly led to believe the issue is election or lack thereof.

Barkono:
Quote from @ udezue:
I am not surprised this freak Alj harem will show up to make silly comments. Carry your gworo eating almajiri self and discuss issues concerning Kanuri and other useless muslim groups in your domain. As "united" as you are you have remained the most backward good-for-nothing heap of cow dung in Nigeria and Africa

LMFAO. U bungled up you know. What has almajiri, goro, cow and backwardness got to do with this? A simple question was asked by @silami, and it was turned to mudslinging. Kai, too bad.
I am of the opinion that honestly, the Igbos are nothing but a bunch of money baggers. Imagine an opportunity thrown  to them for redemption, and possible  take- over of  leadership of this country by 2015, at most, or worst case scenerio, 2019, but they blew it away. Am saying this in the perspective of pdp.   I see the average Igbo man as an "ego" man. Give him warreva, he will still let you down, as long as there is no naira sign on it. We have seen how they let Alex Ekwueme down, in the 1998 convention. How they let okadigbo down in 2003, how they fell Rochas Okorocha's hand in 2006. The in-fighting for senate leadership(banana peel), and pdp chairmanship post. Instead of going the "progressives" way, like sw in 1999,2007, culminating to ac n victories in taking over affairs in sw. Kano, Bauchi, zamfara and yobe prior to betrayals by some of the govs, in 2008 - 09.
The only way the Igbos can redeem themselves and possess their possession, is to join the progressives, and forget this fell house of cards, pdp.
Name callings, will not help your course, it will only compound it. The last time I checked the movement of cows to southern nigeria, apart from lagos and some part of sw has the highest consumption rate. Even the okija gods, have forsaken making sacrifices with goats, and have now turn to cows. And one irritating aspect of your post, is branding northerners as almajiri. Almajiri literally means pupil, malam is teacher, aboki is friend. All these are distinct from kidnappers/idolators. Be guided please.

A question being simple in nature does not absolve it from hidden agenda or irrelevancy.
Before I continue with this response, let me remind you that Nigeria is practicing a system of government called democracy.

I do not believe in the politics which dictates that the political patronages should be channeled to my ethnic group or rejoice because Igbo person ascends to the position of presidency in the cesspit called Nigeria.

As mush as I detest the current political maneuvers in PDP borne out of self-centered, sentimentally driven interests and greed on part of Goodluck Jonathan and his supporters, believe me Ndigbo are, by nature, not sectional champions. I guess the egalitarian nature of Ndigbo had placed them in a political awkward predicament especially in the colonial contraption called Nigeria.

In fact, I am compelled to agree with you that tribal dogma in Nigeria politics equates to progressiveness as you alluded with the example of SW as in AD=AC=ACN in 1999- 2007. However, you must I agree with me that AD did not last long the moment the son of the soil was elected president. Also, the moment the mandate granted to the son nears expiration, AC was born.

I detest sectional politics fuelled by tribal sentiment but I must add that credit should be given to the folks from the SOUTH WEST of Nigeria for understanding what Nigeria stood for politically.

@OP

If this postulation is based on the PDP zoning formula, it is a wishful thinking because GEJ has destroyed the spirit of zoning in PDP. I hope Nigeria should as well do away with quota system.

silami:
I argue with the stationary, not to be confused with Stationery. I mean the anchored, immobile & unmoving with an unintelligent mind
Anchored, immobile & unmoving in a literal & metaphorical sense.

I suppose you can be viewed as Stationery of a kind I that arguing with them because I am, like one can be seen as, an attempting to apply emotional sense to an impassive world. So i suggest when dealing with whatever daily frustration you have, most dumb people like you greatest & most ubiquitous tool since the hurled rock has cast their way, have found themselves starting to resort to using threats.
And for for you to come here and begin unintelligently putting down your high school theories of logic confirms how really not-so-smart person you have been in addressing issues that affect your egos and went further to show your inability to understand simple english. Did i raise the issues so that i can address them myself or so that people that understand the issues, not self acclaimed intelligent ethnic bigots like you can atleast constructively address them.

if asking questions, i deserve to be insulted as reiterated in rubbish above i wonder where your claimed tolerance go? Did you really read my original post? did you see the word politically there? so why is your primitive brain not able to give meaning or understand the post?

I am busy at work now i will post the rest later when i get home. mumu

I usually do not cross words with sycophants or individuals of regrettable intellect such as you. I am not surprised about your incoherent response because it is laden with insults. But let me remind you that nobody holds monopoly to act of insults.

I guess your actions are very deceitful, disingenuous and outright display of ignorance. You tried to delve into a socio-political area you knew nothing about by throwing incomprehensible question about Igbo unity or lack thereof. If mere political disagreements by insane operatives in a cesspit called Nigeria informed your lunatic opinion about Igbo Unity, it is very human to allow you to continue to wallow in political stupor.

Let us apply a little sense of academia to your lead question of “Can Igbos Ever Be United”? A second grader would discern the poser of this question had previous knowledge of futile attempts to get Ndigbo united. The obligation to proof your intellectual pedigree as you would want us to believe rests on you by rephrasing the question.

You injected the idea of literal and metaphorical bent to this discuss. I shall honestly posit you lacked the inert ability to engage in both exigencies. If you were a novice seeking answers to the unity of Ndigbo or lack thereof, you would have parked you dilapidated self into a cooler while other people proffer solutions. However, the ulterior motive to subject Ndigbo to socio-political scandal spurred your idiocy to append a drivel laden with illogical emptiness as the rejoinder to a silly question worthy not to be asked.

In fact, inquiring from you on how you informed the opinion that insults hauled on this forum is done exclusively by Igbo is akin to putting a question to a goat. Did I read from your gibberish post that your fiancé is Igbo? I thought a goat begets a goat. 

Believe me, you are qualified to be mercilessly insulted for asking silly question and needed to be robotically flogged for the display of delusional idiocy in the public. Olodo!!!

silami:
@miss cork or whatever you call your name. I understand that when your mother was in the business of prostitution God worked out miracle for you to be born b4 she got infected by the popular thing. Now that you are managed to be raised by philanthropist, you don't know how precious are fathers and mothers are to their children thats why at every slightest opportunity you insult them. Now i will not insult your mother because she had enough of life already as for father, you don't know who fathered you for sure either the short term customer or overnight we don't know so lets keep that aside.

I know Igbos very well because i schooled in the East UNN to be precise and when you are talking of backwardness go to Ebonyi you will see it. I went for night vigil in the church we were surrounded by armed robbers. in another instance the whole city of Abakaliki was held to ransom by these armed robbers they were going from bank to on Sam Egwu formally Ogoja Road. In Ishieke Campus where my girlfriend was and i used to visit her every weekend killings were rampants and you're talking killings in the north. I don't for once subscribe to the killing of human beings no matter what happened. In 2008 Ezza and Ezilo people clashed which has claimed more than 600 lives with property worth more than N1 billion destroyed are these abokis NO of course they are Igbos. But what continue to amaze is the way you igbos think that killing is only in the north and therefore all northerners are killers, dumbs, ignorants and illiterate and i know i have seen the worst illiterates in the east during my stay there as a student and please if people are talking of intelligence don't even think of igbos being the best because like in every other tribe there are brights and dullards igbos.

I brought this topic, i went to service my car and there was an Igbo guy there and was asking the same question i asked and he said so many bad stuff about Igbos , which i don't intend to pass those info here i my fiance who is an Igbo and she could not provide an answer. Its surprising to see how unintelligent igbos are full on this from instead of addressing the issue raised, you are busy insulting people thats further reveals how insensitive you guys are. there is no day on this forum that Northerners will not be either ridicule or insulted and many of them start insulting people here. I STILL ASK CAN IGBOS EVER BE UNITED?

This incoherent piece of crap did not address the issue which you raised. By the way, are Ndigbo disunited? If so pal, can you please elaborate in a concise prose? Believe you me; you deserved to be insulted based on this drivel you posted. You alleged that Igbo on this forum are the exclusive bunch that hauls abuses to the northerners. May ask how you arrived to such repercussive exigency since contributors do not the flash their ethnic identity when they post.

If you have issues with the Ndigbo, I suggest you step onto the plate and bring it because Ndigbo are capable of taking constructive criticism and detest this illogical jargon you posted.

Of course there is cross section of not-too-smart individuals in any given ethnic group. Having said this, Ndigbo had nothing to prove to anybody in Nigeria but only ask to be given the same opportunity to compete or be granted the same level playing ground as given to everybody. Since the inception of the cesspit called Nigeria, have you ever heard about Ndigbo rampaging in Igboland thereby destroying properties or business of their fellow country men because of secular differences? You cited Ezza and Ezilo crisis as an example in your regrettable crap. I guess you were stark blinded to uncountable land and territorial disputes that occurred all over the communities in Nigeria.

I have traveled to almost all party of the colonial contraption called Nigeria and what I observed shall remain with me. Since you are self-acclaimed expert on Igbo Unity or lack thereof, can you educate us on the instances of disunity among Ndigbo?

By the way, your handle name did not indicate your ethnicity.

Onlytruth: Posted by: Dede1

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Before the arrival of British, there were Igbo (Ebo) people and Jos (Ijo), the people who lived by the river sides.


Those are still Oyibo man's classifications.

Methinks that what would have happened if they did not interfere is a situation whereby we would be like the Yoruba, spanning many dialects of Igboid/Ijoid/ and any other Eastern "iods" groups, but with very weak "center".

You would have things like "ikwerres" "ngwas", "elemes","eches", okrikas", etc, all mutually intelligible to some extent, but no ONE tribe. We could have been less suspicious of one another because for an Nnewi man to trade with the white man, he would need the services of say an opobo man, instead of it being an Igboman needing the services of say an ogoni man or Ijo man, etc.
The wars we had before were between say Aros and ngwas, or aros and ibibios; not Igbos and ibibios.

The east was fine until oil showed up.

It is unfortunate you conjured that Oyibo came to Africa and identified us as Igbo, Hausa, Fulani, Yoruba, etc. I guess our forbearers informed the Oyibo who they were and Oyibo scribed it in Oyibo's words.

Sagamite:
You are reetarded.

I have warned you never to step to me intellectually. Me and you no dey for the same o catego.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-523183.96.html#msg6880666

Intellectually, the so-called Sagamite is nobody.

@Post


Anybody who expected GEJ to obey any ordinance in Nigeria is an irredeemable fool.

Sagamite is a demented and drooling imbec.ilic person therefore he/she is not a Nigerian.

Ibime:
@ Ezeagu,

You are forgetting that before Lord Lugard and British anthropologists classified us, there was no such thing as the "Igbo" nation.

Before the arrival of British, there were Igbo (Ebo) people and Jos (Ijo), the people who lived by the river sides.

@POSTER


If you do not know the consequences of your post on this forum, I suggest you do a simple exploratory research before posting such crass irresponsible articles. This nonsensical Niger Delta is the brain child of detractors of Ndigbo and eastern region of Nigeria. When the palm oil and coal resources were used to sustain the economy of eastern region, nobody knew Niger Delta. It was only mentioned in the religious circle as the diocese of Niger Delta with its Headquarter at Onitsha.

@Sagamite

Sagamite is a boorish brat and known retar.ded. The dullard jumps into issue he/she knew little about. In one of his/her previous posts, the deranged poster alluded the father abandoned Stacie Turner and she is not Nigerian too. Stacie never indicated not being a Nigerian in the article. At least, she is now a person of dual citizenship.

Being a Nigerian is one of the reasons that drove her to embark on a journey to Nigeria in search for her father when there were ceaseless waves of kidnappings. She is one determined Igbo girl both in spirit and physic. Talking about Stacie’s wedding, she is not married as far as her father is concerned because the traditional Igbo rites of marriage were not yet accomplished.

If you know the circumstances surrounding her father’s departure from USA or the fight Stacie’s mother stood up against her father returning to Nigeria with Stacie, please tell us.

T9ksy:
Quote from: Dede1 on Today at 07:37:13 PM
No doubt that the ndigbos would have been elevated had Zik aligned with AG but definately not at the expense of the yorubas who had enough capable and educated leaders at their disposal. At that particular moment in our history, each region was working assiduously to promote the lot of their people within the colonial contraption. No one wants to be ruled by an outsider. What good does Zik have in mind for the yorubas that they can't do (and as it transpired they can and did) for themselves?  Remember, the yorubas did not believe in One nigeria and neither did the north. Only the igbos were for One nigeria.

Zik did not even campaign in the north. can you imagine Zik aspiring to be premier of the north? who born am? even before that the north was already massacring the ndigbos in their region based solely on their perceived fear of ndigbo's neocolonialism. The sardunna refferred to the igbos in the north then, as invaders!

The post above is a delight of tribal bigot and derivatives of figment of your imagination. Even when the colonialists were in-charge of placement of individuals in various works of life both in the protectorates as well as Nigeria which strictly based on merits, the demographic services painted a different picture from your crass speculation.   

I am sure you were the only walking head that could recall the referendum on One-Nigeria which led you to form the opinion that Yoruba and North did not believe in One-Nigeria but Igbo.Thank goodness you do not have monopoly of recorded events.

If you do not have retentive issues, you should remember that Biafra fought against the delusional idea of One-Nigeria.

Katsumoto:
I am not insinuating it; I am stating it unequivocally.

Zik was born in the North, why wasn't he aspiring to be the premier there? Was he aspiring to be premier in the west because the Yoruba people are liberal. My point is buttressed by the reverence Yoruba people had for Awo and the indifference Ndigbo had for Zik. An Igbo man had no business being premier in the West in the same way, a yoruba man had no business being premier in the East. A new nation was being formed and each region was still suspicious of the motives of the other regions. If the Yoruba people wanted Zik to be their leader, he would have being.
But they didn't want him, hence the rejection. You can sugar-coat that rejection however way you want it.

I must say your equivocation is an opinion borne out of ignorance. Seriously, I can not fathom what spurred you to form the opinion that Zik had no business becoming the premier of the defunct western region of Nigeria.

You posited Zik was not born in the west but north. However, he found a place of abode in the west, established and contested election in one of the western regional constituencies. When Zik employed indigenes of the western region, tribal irredentist such as you did tell him he has no business employing a Yoruba in his business outfit in Lagos.

There was no single ordinance that stipulated a person has to be born in a particular region in order to become the premier of the region. I guess the criteria include among other things a candidate’s political party has to win majority of the seats.  Again you must agree that during the era in this discussion, the defunct western region was not exclusive domain of the Yoruba. It is unfortunate that such rational deduction does not flash in stream of thoughts of tribal bigots.

Katsumoto:
Some people will never understand this. Your father's friend can never love and mean well for you like your father. Zik had no business being Premier in the West. In any case, that was why he was rejected.

Are you insinuating that since Zik was not a Yoruba therefore he, Zik, has no business becoming a Premier in the west? I could not believe my ears that a person who would readily accuse some of tribal bias would consciously write this statement. I thought any candidate voted into the regional House of Assembly from one of the constituencies has every business to become a Premier of the region if his/her colleagues voted as such.

By the way, he was not rejected as you have ridiculously stated. It did not come to vote.

T9ksy:
Quote from: Katsumoto on Today at 07:04:48 PM
No doubt, they would but noway would you have a situation like the example i gave earlier. By aligning with the NPC, the igbos were unjustifiably elevated above their status in the south. This was the rationale that instigate the ilk of Akintola and Ayo rosoji to make overtures to the sardunna- there was no gain in being in the opposition.

You really disappointed me with this thoughtless, mean-spirited and off-the-wall comment. Let me help your devil’s advocacy by saying that Ndigbo would have also been unjustifiably elevated above their status in the south if Zik had become PM by aligning with AG.

You can not eat your cake and have it. The leaders in Africa do not obey or respect statutory codes signed by them. They must find a way to circumvent such laws even if the law flows from an inconsequential congregation such as political party. No system can have a sustainable success without respectable policy.