₦airaland Forum

alj harem1:


and the oil regions does not belong to all nigerinas but only igbos and southern nigerians

Have you read my argument about Niger Delta and Crude Oil exploration in Nigeria? I guess your stream of thought is very much inline with those nitwits that claim everything in the so-called Niger Delta but the vast less important sands.

alj harem1:
no one ever said yorubas built lagos on there own,,,,, it was the help of igbo, northerners, ekiti andother yoruba people that built lagos so what are you on about

i am talking about the indigenes of lagos here not the settles

I do not give a hoot about who you were referring in your previous post. Lagos is a federal government territory and belongs to all Nigerians although the city is situated in Yoruba enclave.

alj harem1:
look guy that was 1967 what about now or recent times

I guess you have to visit JAMB office to see for yourself.

alj harem1:
yes it is true, it is a touchy issue because some of my very own family members were involved in the war in fact 2 of them die as a result of the war.

also the @ the poster, we can not be sure if he is igbo or non,,,but i do not really care.

i totally agree that the igbo people are a great success story in Nigeria and as you saw on the first post made by me(first page).

but also, you have to give credit to others that have helped the igbo people to be what they are today, we can not just take credit for it all, i remember Fela and Wole soyinka (2 yoruba men) tackling the FG about the development of SE nigeria. it is even one of the reason Fela was locked up in prison and he die as a result of that, what do you now say about that.

i believe we as igbos have to be careful on what we post and what we say not only on the internet but in the community, i remember when i was in lagos, an igbo man wanted to buy suya from one hausa guy then, the way he approached the hausa guy was very very wrong ; quote " aboki, give me suya dia" and his hausa man give him the suya. but to my surprise this igbo guy did not pay the man caling hi aboki mallam etc
when the hausa guy got angry, the man brought out a knife and wanted to stab the igbo guy. what did the yorubas do, they rescued the igbo man from the hausa guy and even payed the hausa the money this man was owing.

my point is, if those yorubas now hear what some of my igbo brothers are saying, how do you think they will feel.

Please I plead with you to stop this unfounded nonsensical innuendo about Fela Ransome Kuti tackling the FG about the development in the eastern region. If this statement about the so-called Fela is the amalgam of your basic knowledge of issues and events in Nigeria, I say you do not belong to this discussion.

alj harem1:
i agree with you, but if you know ever ethnic group has it's greatness from edo to ijaw,why have they not made a topic about there greatness,,why!!!!

if hausa/fulani have there greatness, why have they not made topic of how great they are

if yorubas ave there greatness why have they not made topics on how great they are

i believe there is not drama in what i posted above, i am half igbo myself but on nairaland, i have to drop my igbo identity because of some f the comment people have been posting, also because i do not support some of the views my people put on nairaland

my igbo people come here on nairaland post about how lagos is 40-45% igbo, now the questions is how do you expect the indigenous lagosians to fell when they read this
some of my igbo people say that the lands in ikoyi etc are mostly igbo and you will not be surprise if there is an igbo governor in lagos state soon, now, not to be tribalistic here but did the indigenes of lagos state ask for them to be ruled by igbo or did they say they can not call other yorubas from other states to rule them.

i remember how happy babapupa was when fashola installed an igbo man into his carbinet (no that there are no credible yorubas around) but because babapupa was detribalised thenhe was happy that igbos are taking part in SW politics even jason was also happy. but now i am sure from all the comment from the igbos on this trend, they will start to have a rethink on that issue.

do you see were i am getting at, you can not show how special igbo people are without appreciating the yoruba and other groups in nigeria

is it not in lagos and oyo state that there a eze indigbo there , did you see any yoruba man complain and say why,,,,NO,, that is what they call love for your neighbour,

i have also seen how only angry and insultive some of my igbo brothers are when chime and chris uba were thinking of going to ACN,, why i ask,,,, NO responds

go to port harcount even up to today, do the indigenes give or sell land and properties to igbo people in general,,,,NO

even after the war, didn't the igbo get back there properties in lagos and other part of the country back expect from port harcount.


well all in all, i would say that most igbos on this forum are born hard tribalist to the core apart from ChineyeN

When Lagos was declared the federal territory and capital of Nigeria, it ceases to be an ethnic enclave. If you think that mega city Lagos had become today is exclusively handiwork of ethnic Yoruba, than you not as claver as I thought you were previously.

alj harem1:
greatness indeed

[size=15pt][b] first of all, I seriously hate topics like this.because it shows how some of my igbo brothers have infeority complex
secondly, 70% of the igbos on this forum if not whole wide, were schooled in the western region from ibadan, to abeokuta to lagos even to kwara so i really do not see any comparison here with the west they are clearly better than igbo in all areas of adult life

secondly, i really applaud the igbos for there bounce back after the war but they have to take into account that the nigerian government and the good people of nigeria helped them unlike other african countries were the losing team get stigmatised, i mean igbos are even in lagos cabinet, the state biafra bombed. so my igbo brothers please i appeal to you not to think you are better than other nigerians because they were accepted with open arms.

thirdly, on this nairaland, i have now learnt there mentality, the way they think of other nigerians and i most say, it is very terrible of them, i mean out of all the igbos that commented on this trend, non of them can give credit to the nigerian people instead they go about how special they are well thank you all for making to know who igbos are truly are and how they view other nigerians even though others love them, they do not love others. this is a big shame to nigeria as a whole.

even the good igbo people i have met before in my life, i am not sure again if i should trust them the way i use to because of the comments some of you have put down

all in all i just hope that other nigerians that are not registered on nairaland do not read some of you igbo comment because it will lead to more people to be weary of igbos. also, i hope this """ we vs them mentality""" will end soon[/b][/size]
thank you all your for time

I hate to insult people who have not done so to me but your post tempted me to do so. I must say that you were very lazy scholar as your post had indicated. Let me repeat, the majority of Igbo renaissance in academia did not set foot in western region of Nigeria in pursuit of academics.

Granted that Yoruba were the first to wave bye-bye to the first Europeans to have set their feet in Africa, however as of 1964, there were more elementary and secondary schools in eastern region than western region. Also, there were more widespread top notch secondary schools in eastern region that western region. This was proved by three segments of Nigerian demographic services such military, academia and civil service.

@OP

Yes, Ndigbo deserve more than one round of applause.

@oyb and Aigbofa

It is a wasted endeavor to cite uninformed analogy of Japanese, Chinese and Germans to this discuss. Before and after the war, Japan, China and Germany were independent countries and remained so. Biafra was a mere circumstance of events in Nigeria which could have been avoided.

The thread is as a result of an observation made by non-Igbo. Why would such innocuous opinion by the poster attract incessant scurrilous diatribe from non-Igbo respondents?

I am disappointed with oyb but Aigbofa who is a latent Olodo.


@ Eko Ile

Abagworo was referring to industries owned by indigenous Igbo business tycoons. The link you attached to your post about industries in Ogun State is misleading at best. More than half of industries listed were either owned by the federal government, Indians, Igbo, Urhobo or Ogun state government.

@alj harem1

In Igbo culture and tradition, ancestral lineage is often determined through paternity. However, children whose mother is Igbo but father are granted all alienable privileges granted to a child who’s both parents are Igbo except in sharing of landed properties. In general, daughters (women) are not allowed to partake in the sharing of the land but this may differ from one Igbo land to another.

By the same token, a child whose mother is Igbo and he or she decides to accept the ethnicity of the mother and resides in his/her mother’s community is accepted as he/she wished. Ndigbo say "Ebe nwa siri lo uwa ya bisiri".

It is a matter of time before Nigeria ceases to be a country. There is no doubt in my mind that the disintegration of Nigeria shall be a sudden occurrence with people of similar culture coupled with geographical proximity binding together for common course.

People are still hiding behind the foolishness of 1967 when many southern Nigerians were hoodwinked by propaganda and scared by unfounded Igbo domination. Now, I believed the scales had fallen off their eyes unfortunately they are yet to overcome the personal denial of stupi.dity.

I shall not go back to colonial mentality in the formation of countries that had led to retrogressive nature of Africa. I would want Igbo land to become a republic and granted to allow Ibibio, Annang, Ogoni, Ekoi and Ijo of eastern region to join on their accord. If contiguous principles shall play a part, I shall not mind if Idoma (Benue State) joined.    

However, if we had to engage in fratricidal struggle to realize this dream of Nigeria’s integration, military expansionism is a valuable option to determine where boundary shall be drawn.

[quote author=tpia* link=topic=582604.msg7502605#msg7502605 date=1294677972]are you mixing up biafra with abiola's mandate.

according to wiki, biafra was declared on 30 may 1967.

correct me if i'm wrong.[/quote]Please my dear pay no mind to some of these intellectual midgets that have infected this forum.

@eku_bear

It depends on how Nigeria disintegrated. If Nigeria disintegrates through the muzzle of guns and new boundary lines redrawn, there is absolutelly no obeying old agreement. Even the so-called colonial boundaries will be jettisoned indefinitely as military expansionism will be the order of the day.

If the grace of the God shall allow Nigeria to disintegrate into several independent nations, even Cameroon will loose Bakassi to a new country talk less of oil blocks. Any agreement with defunct Nigeria shall not be legally bided to new sovereign state.

Nigeria is fake country to the core. With army and police conducting elections even at the primary levels, Nigerians still pride themselves as operative of democracy. Please jettison this so-called nonsensical democracy and be real for the sake of generation to come.

@post


Personally, I have never subscribed to Zik’s political philosophy of Nigeria. In fact, I believed in the doctrine eloquently stated by Bello. However, it is imperative to note that a certain region in Nigeria decided to practicably indulge in the socio-political doctrine of Bello.

It is not out of order to allude to the fact that morons planted in Nigeria decided to lynch the idea. Even though the poster’s exploratory research attempts showed a voting record which is misleading, most of states that voted for “son of the soil” fought for the northern region when the issue of being different from each other was subjected to practicality.

There is nothing worse than Nigeria, Rwanda and RSA in Africa as long as ethnic relationship is concerned.

I had preferred the Republic of Igboland. However, I shall still be joyously at home if the Ibibio, Annag, Ogoni and Ijo of former eastern region decide to join.

Also, I am sure an Ijo was present in P Street NW, Washington DC the day Biafran House was officially opened.

ShangoThor:
@ Metalgoong
It serves no purpose to abuse and degrade the Yoruba because of what happened in the run-up to the war, it was never a them and us scenario, and you know it. Loads of Yoruba supported Biafra, but had to let logic prevail for self preservation reasons.

I put it to you that even though Ndigbo had a legitimate bonafide grievance, it was the wrong time to try to separate.
This issue was never about tribal ego's, it was about logic, it's time to put our differences aside in order to achieve the desired result.

The enemy of my enemy is my enemy , or just prepare your kids for perpetual subjugation,

There is no wrong time for any group of people on earth to sue for independent homeland. It is either you support the peoples’ effort or not. However, the people have every right to remember.

[quote author=eku_bear link=topic=582396.msg7496131#msg7496131 date=1294598695]Then it is quite fortunate for Biafra that Nigeria only had one or two "ordinary" commanders, eh?

If they'd been able to swap out Murtala Mohammed for another "ordinary" Adekunle, I imagine the war would have ended in 6 months.

And if any of them had been "excellent", would the war have lasted 2 months? [/quote]You are very right. Nigeria would have capitulated within the estimated period.

Aigbofa:
Not even Obasanjo or Gowon would make such a statement.

Of course, they would not make such statement because they were not on the side that fought against him.

[quote author=eku_bear link=topic=582396.msg7495918#msg7495918 date=1294597035]Certainly was smart enough to make mincemeat of them on the battlefield, though.[/quote]In the absence of numerical strength on the Nigerian side and lack of military equipment on the Biafran side that aided the unfounded reports of bravery about Benjamin Adekunle, the commander of 3MCDO was very ordinary.

@Benjamin Adekunle

He was not smart enough to realize the flaws in fighting Biafrans. The smartness honor should go to Lt Col. Ayo Ariyo who resigned his commission into Nigerian army instead of fighting Biafrans.

Bros in your second post, I guess the Biafran Officers were Wing Commander Igweilo, Gens. Ojukwu and Effiong. I could be wrong too.

Good thread for the memories.