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Pierocash:
Even 4 children from three marriages doesn't speak well. But that shouldn't be used to divert the political fight and suppression they are doing to her. Failed marriages is her personal life so using that to blackmail her is senseless

At 46. Abeg.

CoronaVirusPro:
His Excellency, President Asiwaju Bola Ahmed Tinubu (GCFR) already learnt from the current blunder. He won’t repeat same.

Are you satyisfied with the Governors of Lagos being hand picked by one man and controlled by that man?

alanto:
Jagabban na tower. I love the man, I tap from his grace. Followed his governance in Lagos and also his political dexterity, Asiwaju na Oga. I'm glad he contested for presidency. The country will just die slowly if we keep doing the same thing. We'll just keep getting loan to do everything, we even borrow to service loan. Asiwaju na man you be o...

I pray for God to give the jagabban long life to complete his 8 years tenure. I believe it's enough time to put Nigeria on the right path ..

You are deluded. The man who has tripled our debt is who you are talking about. You people deserve the country you get.

LordReed:
What is the difference? The person who is telling lies to hide a Jew is he not doing it based on his own subjective perception on what is appropriate to do?

Subjective and relative morality oft coincide but are still not the same thing. There is a delicate and nuanced difference.

What is your understanding of the difference between mala in se and mala prohibita in criminal law?

Dtruthspeaker:
No. It's you who set up the assertion that consensual sex is not prohibited all over the world. And I just rebutted

Thus, you who ought to now show the place you had in mind when you first made that assertion.

No: I was denying what you had asserted. Now prove that you are no cowardly escapist and do the needful.

Dtruthspeaker:
Go check history and see which place in the world allowed couples to have sex before marriage.

You can't just send me on an open ended errand like that. You made the assertion so provide the evidence.

Dtruthspeaker:
Now you are talking religion forgetting that in those days the religion that you are talking about did not exist yet these Laws were already in place all over the world.

And the Bible's law on shaving is what people call the traditional law and custom of the people called Isreal. But all this is departing from the issue.

Who told you there were laws against adult consensual sex all over the world?

aribisala0:
This is disingenuous
I watched it Abati actually agreed on the need for professional affiliation with the NUJ

Again you display a tendency to confirmation bias i.e. tto only hear what you want to hear based on your beliefs

Go and watch it again

The minimum is to complete a diploma which is some months to a year

Abati never said everyone working for Guardian WAS A JOURNALIST

All kinds of people can write articles for Newspapers especiall technical e.g Health, Law Property etc They are WRITERS not Journalists or let us say NOT PROFESSIONAL journalists if they are not affiliates of a professional body

You can be called a doctor or lawyer without doing those things it depends on the country and that is why bodies like the NUJ are more asertive as is their right

Alright then. We can agree to disagree. Have a good evening.

Dtruthspeaker:
First, It was penalised before. Pr0stitutes, gays, fornicators all run away from their homes and it was them who started new areas living like smugglers where they could do all of these things. And since they were living like criminals then they started attacking villages and now the world now had armed robbers and bandits and and claiming of other people's lands..

There were many silly laws based on religious nonsensicalities in times past. I hope you know the Bible also contained injunctions against shaving your beard, for example.

aribisala0:
You need to distinguish between an amateur and a professional go and check that same source for engineer

In Nigeria we have the NUJ

In America

several professional organizations for journalists exist in the United States, including the Society of Professional Journalists (SPJ), the American Society of Journalists and Authors (ASJA), and the National Press Club etc


So that dictionary definition does not work at professional level

Well, in a particular session with the same Lere Olayinka, Dr. Abati had pointed out that at the Guardian, they had people of different disciplines for different sections. He thus argued that Journalism is multi disciplinary and that stands to reason.

I don't think you will find a single definition of "journalist" anywhere which states that the journalist is a person who has done a course in that regard.

This is different with certain callings. One cannot be called a lawyer without being called to the bar or a doctor without going through medical school.

Nigerians probably deserve bad leaders. Because the amount of people defending this scam project is astonishing.

Joshthefirst:
@LordReed, @Deepsight

Subjective morality sounds tolerant and open-minded, but in real life, it’s unlivable and logically incoherent.
We all recognize certain things as truly good or truly evil.
That means there must be an objective standard — something outside of us — and that points us to objective morality, and ultimately to a moral lawgiver.

Subjective morality doesn’t make sense in reality because it collapses under its own logic when applied to real-world situations:

1. Subjective morality makes moral claims meaningless

If morality is just a matter of personal taste (like “I like chocolate”), then saying “torturing babies is wrong” is no different from saying “I don’t like pineapple on pizza.”
There’s no truth value — just preference.

But in the real world, when we say something like:

“Slavery is wrong.”
“Rape is evil.”
“Genocide is unjust.”

We don’t mean it’s just our opinion. We mean it’s actually wrong — no matter what anyone thinks.


2. You can’t condemn genuine evil

If morality is subjective, then Nazi ideology, terrorism, and child abuse are not objectively wrong — just “different values.”
But we know they are wrong, regardless of cultural or personal views.
Subjective morality makes it impossible to rationally condemn evil practices — even if your gut knows they’re wrong.
Don't be dishonest. You literally have to argue on the side of Nazi's and mass murderers and serial killers if you want to hold on to subjectivity


3. It destroys justice

If everyone makes their own moral rules, then there’s no real basis for law or punishment.
Why shouldn’t someone steal or murder if it “feels right to them”?
In a subjective framework, you can’t say, “You’re wrong to do that,” only “I personally don’t like it.”
That leads to moral anarchy.

Finally, like earlier, and for me the most glaring; It’s self-refuting

If someone says, “All morality is subjective — there are no objective moral truths,” I ask:

“Is that statement objectively true?”

If yes → they’ve contradicted themselves.
If no → then you can ignore them, because it’s just their opinion.


Unfortunately, a non theistic worldview, will NOT hold up in any side of the divide;
Whether it tries to hold onto objective morality without a moral lawgiver (which is illogical) or subjective morality (which doesn’t make sense in reality), a non-theistic worldview ultimately fails to provide a coherent explanation for the existence of moral truths.

In other words, non-theistic worldviews that try to explain morality in any form without a divine source are logically flawed and incorrect.

Without a moral lawgiver, non-theistic worldviews struggle to ground moral truths in a way that aligns with how we experience right and wrong in the real world. Therefore, in the context of morality, such worldviews fail to provide a practical, logically consistent foundation for living a realistic moral life.

Fair points. I have personally argued extensively against subjective morality on this platform. Have a look at this thread -

https://www.nairaland.com/1520806/evolution-morality

However there is a difference even if nuanced and slight, between subjective morality and relative mortality. The latter is more situational. It speaks to how different circumstances can have an impact on what is moral or immoral. For example I don't think that a person telling a lie to hide a Jew from a Nazi extermination team during the holocaust has done anything wrong.

aribisala0:
I have not addressed you rudely
I asked where the NONSENSE you have said is coming from

If you feel that is about you I have no apology. Frankly it is NONSENSE

You might want to open a dictionary to check the meaning of the word

I honestly don't think you have ever done that so you might learn something

You obviously are one of those individuals that are high on opinion and low on knowledge

No worries my man. Enjoy.
Cool your temper too.

aribisala0:
Who said they are journalists? What is the definition of journalist?

journalist
noun

a person who writes news stories or articles for a newspaper or magazine or broadcasts them on radio or television:

a freelance political journalist

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/journalist

aribisala0:
This is just opinion

what is all this nonsense based on? Where do you get it from?

clearly you believe it but that does not make it true

If you haven't noticed, I am not addressing you rudely. You can return the favour.

aribisala0:
No one said you must have a degree

In Nigeria specifically To be recognized as a journalist you must be a member or affiliate of teh Nigerian Union of Journalists

and you can do that with a diploma or other pathway you do not need a degree

If NOT then you are a TV Host, Radio Host or content creator

So please stop making ridiculous pronouncements that because a person is well known on TV they are a world class journalist

Most of the time they are TV Hosts /presenters

I didn't make any such pronouncement. I only gave you a list of recognised world class journalists who didn't study any such thing. You can make of it what you will.

aribisala0:
Again you are just talking

Are you God

Who are you to say that and why does your opinion carry any weight outside your house

Journalist job is to INFORM people of truth. There is no need for opinion

No that would be the job of a simple News Caster.

aribisala0:
You claim they are journalists I do not agree

What makes them journalists

The definition of journalist is very important

Also what do you mean by READ JOURNALISM?

What does that mean?

It is important to use language precisely and not to use words flippantly

I do not recall using the phrase READ JOURNALISM so you need to clarify what you mean

I mean have a degree in journalism or a related field, such as Mass Communication.

aribisala0:
This is YOUR opinion

What is it based on?

It's impossible to practice journalism without articulating your opinions on issues. The thing is to make sure you articulate sound opinions based on facts and evidence.

Dtruthspeaker:
They are actually not mindful and aware that they do not really complain about man judging them through courts and all but when another man called a Christian does that, then we all hear them complain.

Meanwhile, all the just and right Laws which man affirms as right are still the same Laws Christians use for judging.

Secular laws do not criminalise adult consensual sex for example.

aribisala0:
What is your point? Do you believe you have communicate a point that is relevant to what you quoted

You can ignore it. I didn't argue a word other than present you a list of world famous journalists who didn't read journalism.

aribisala0:
A good journalist should avoid airing opinions or bias

Yes a good journalist should avoid bias, but good journalists certainly must air opinions.

aribisala0:
What is the definition of world class journalist. First you must be a journalist

If you are not a journalist you cannot be a world class journalist that is basic logic

Politics is not a profession to be practised. It is open to ALL citizens who are adults.

Your logic is like saying a person who is a criminal should have studied criminology
You see how intelligent you sound?

Bob Woodward: Famous for his investigative reporting, particularly on the Watergate scandal, Woodward initially studied political science.

Christiane Amanpour: A highly respected international correspondent, Amanpour reportedly studied English literature.

Anderson Cooper: A prominent CNN anchor, Cooper majored in political science and has a background in international relations.

Lester Holt: The anchor of NBC Nightly News, Holt did not study journalism in college. He has a diverse background and began his career in radio.

Peter Jennings: A long-time anchor of ABC's "World News Tonight," Jennings famously did not even finish high school, gaining his experience directly in the workforce.

Louis Theroux: A British-American documentary filmmaker and journalist known for his distinctive interview style, Theroux studied history at Oxford.

Martine Croxall: An English broadcaster for the BBC, she studied Geography at the University of Leeds.

Yvonne Okwara: A prominent Kenyan journalist, she pursued a Bachelor's degree in Zoology, Botany, and Chemistry.

Waihiga Mwaura: Another notable Kenyan journalist, he studied Computer Science.

Ken Mijungu: A Kenyan journalist who pursued a Bachelor's degree in Law.

stuffs2002:
E be like say prison dey smell for you body because you will go to jail faster than you can blink if you perform surgery on people as a janitor.

Besides I also watched the movie you are talking about and the movie is titled "Catch me if you can" staring Tom Hanks and Leonardo De Caprio. The movie was based on a fictional story of a fraudster and no one believed the story except you

Catch me if you can was based on an true story.

stuffs2002:
You call yourself an educationist and you have failed miserably at educating yourself not to talk of those you claim to be educating.

Terms like on the job training, in service training were originally used to describe professionals with basic qualifications but need the trained so as to acquire the requisite experience to make them better at their chosen profession. Those terms did not really apply to people who didn't have the basics in qualification. I know this because I have had to go through the system after my university education because I studied a professional course in the university.

I'm my field, your experience only counts after your basic university qualifications and you would be required to work and understudy a more experienced professional who would guide you as you climb the professional ladder.

People like you would be looking at jail terms if you think you can become a professional just because you are looking at how people do the job alone.

Not all jobs require a specific degree.

Journalism falls into this category. Your argument is like saying that one must have a degree in marketing to be a good marketer or advertising to advertise well. Nah.

LordReed:
Not at all did I think that. Why would I when I know you aren't a religious proselyter?

Just the principle.

Dtruthspeaker:
That's not true. We see and hear how they grumble and complain about being judged

Do they grumble and complain about courts and human judges?

Dtruthspeaker:
The bold is the most funny part of atheism. Can they count how many times they have submitted themselves to the scrutiny and judgement of strangers at checkpoints or in job interviews or even simple house search, yet they hate being judged and do not want to be judged. What an entertainment they are.

Atheists dont generally worry about being judged - their chief concern is that the alleged Judge does not exist.

Dtruthspeaker:
Can a thing eg a jug or pot be sensitive? Or can a plant or animal judge?

No.

Judgement Always and Only comes from a Living Person.

A thing can be sensitve - in the sense that it can react to a causative chain of events.

Dtruthspeaker:
Beautiful observation.

But do you real eyes that when you ask the question in bold that you are asking for the Judgement of Some One greater than humans?

Not necessarily the judgment of someone. Perhaps the sensititivity of something.

Dtruthspeaker:
Sure!

For it is natural and normal as he said to kill.

I think LordReed was being overly careful with me because he probably thought I was coming from the religionist angle which would argue that all these things are normal if one does not believe in God, and only belief in God grounds morals. But that's not where I was coming from at all.

Ikaeniyan0:
https://www.nairaland.com/8445904/latest-update-lagos-calabar-coastal#135667401

Answer the specific questions raised by the maker of the video who visited the 30KM point.
Furthermore, did you note that the actual expatriate engineer said "nearly 20km" and "nearly 10km" - thereby making clear that 30KM is not completed as yet.