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Helinues, Ikaeniyan0, etc what say ye?

LordReed:
Yes I will accept that this is a natural tendency of humans with some caveats. The main caveat is our empathy modifies that behavior in varying degrees which is also another natural tendency.

Alright then. Fair enough.

LordReed:
Yes that is a better question. But I would still say no. Our human societies were built by cooperation not by killing. Yes killing occurred or occurs from time to time however I still don't see those as normal.

Ok, how about saying that humans have a natural tendency to violence and exploitation of one another.

People should stop being deceived by religious nuts. There is nothing wrong with sex outside of marriage between two consenting adults.

Indeed, between sex and marriage, sex is the natural act created by nature. Marriage is the artificial act which is simply an arrangement devised by men.

SarkinYarki:
Reno is a dishonorable man with zero character and integrity, everything he says should be first taken as a lie until proven otherwise

The extent of his shamelessness is just staggering.

nlpfmod, Front page pls.

LordReed:
My saying murder is a legal term should have already keyed you to my position. . . .

Murder as a legal concept is our way of imposing order to what would have been otherwise arbitrary killing.

It doesn't help much because we could easily dispense with the word murder and ask if killing one another is normal human behavior.

LordReed:
Cats hunting mice and other small animals is part of their predatory nature. Domestication did not erase that instinct so that even though their don't always eat their kill, it is still part of them. Humans have no such instinct. We are not obligate predators or carnivores that need to kill. Especially mass killing, it has to be done with extreme thought and calculation. That removes it from being normal. We can see it because it occurs in every era it is still despicable to most people.

This your response is weak.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0r9aueaqQ5U

LordReed:
Trump started touching him where it hurts. The new bill removes stuff about electric vehicles that will definitely affect Musk's Tesla brand.

But Musk had said for a long time that he didn't need the EV subsidies/ protections. Infact he had repeatedly called for them to be removed.

https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2024/12/05/congress/elon-musk-electric-cars-00192848?hl=en-GB

nairalanda1:
For now

1, Tax the 70% in the informal sector that do not pay income tax to the federal and state government

2. Remove subsides on power, and disconnect those who do not pay the new rate permanently, so that we can attract sane investors.


The other things I want him to do are outlined in the article 'Pass the books, hold the oil'

We got to get off resource dependency. Simple and short.

(Lord knows, our political leaders are not serious. Since independence, the politicans and the army have done the same thing over and over, it is almost as if na curse)

You are not well.

LordReed:
Animals don't murder, they kill. Murder is a legal term indicating illegal killing. This is not something that applies to animals. Most murders are not done for food or survival, that is not normal. It is normal for a carnivore to kill it's prey to feast on. It is normal for an animal to kill in self defence. It is not normal for an animal to just kill for no reason.

Clearly you haven't seen cats killing mice or lizards which they do not eat but use as toys. Clearly you have not seen lions kill other lions for the sake of winning a lioness. And other animals do the same. I can go on and on but there are myriad scenarios where animals kill outside for food or defence.

Now you should know that I know murder is a legal term. But what has law got to do with philosophy at an existential level. I am speaking about primal instinct and you are telling me that murder is a legal term. I am speaking about the way the universe might view a matter and you are telling me that murder is a legal term.

As you well know, throughout history greedy tyrants have killed on a grand scale and indeed mass murder has been the prime way in which conquest was done and conquest pretty much established the demarcations and borders of the nations of today. The mere fact that we pick up an pen and scribble down some rules describing what manner of killing is legal or illegal will not change the fact that our world and its borders today have been set up largely by mass murder.

Who even gets to define murder. Was what Bush and Blair did in Iraq mass murder or not. Is what Putin is doing in Ukraine mass murder or not.

Remember I said even as higher animals we will only find higher ways to fulfill primal instincts. So look at the problem of corruption in the world - the abuse of power for private interest. Is this theft of a kind or not, and is it normal for human beings? The law might say it is not, but history and the world around us decidedly say it is normal.

You really have to ask yourself this question: is it normal, in the sight of the universe, for one higher animal to kill another for land, to seize its wife, or to enslave its children, or indeed for any other gain? The law (of today) might say no, but history decidedly says yes.

Lastly - be careful not to conflate the word "normal" with "good" or "right."

ZombieTAMER:
Tinubu is all about his personal interest

he has absolutely nothing to offer Nigeria

Nothing but lies, fraud, slavery, poverty, starvation, shame, blood and tears.

LordReed:
I wrote NORMAL human behaviour and you ask about murder. What about murder screams normal to you?

Any look at history could easily convince one that it is normal human behavior.

My argument is not with you - its a philosophical question I struggle with.

That whereas we may have "civilized" ourselves with certain moral notions, at heart and in nature, survival of the fittest remains key and primal instincts rule - in a space where there is no room for quaint and pretty notions of morality - such that killing off an adversary to advance one's own interests just might be nothing bad in the eyes of the universe.

It happens all the time among animals for instance, and no one thinks any morality is thereby offended. Even if we consider man a higher animal, that might only mean he will find higher ways of doing the same thing. For example, kill with greater sophistication.

Kobojunkie:
I am afraid you gave your friend very terrible advice there. Your friend was very much aware that the woman he had dated and planned to marry would turn out to be one he would have needed to bankroll for pretty much all of the marriage financially. He wanted a woman of that kind—one who would like as his dependant, aka liability— and that is what you now robbed him of.

Technically, all you did was just ruin his relationship with Amara, who may have actually loved him. His next woman is likely to be another liability though. So, I don't see why you are out her patting yourself on the back, though.

As always, another incomprehensibly nonsensical post.

LordReed:
Nope. Sin is religious nonsense layered on top of what is natural and normal in other to make the religious concepts have more impetus. For instance, you need sin to make the Adam and Eve story seem compelling likewise the purported human sacrifice performed by Jesus for salvation. None of those work when you realise some things are just normal human behaviour.

Does the bold include murder?

sreamsense:
It is only wrong based on your distorted mindset and not on principle. Life is flexible and not rigid. People that voted once and find out it was wrongly choice should not wait for another four years to readjust their decisions. All parties involved have opportunity to enjoy both its good and bad features. Laws are made for men, it is only when it is against the law of the land that it is against principle. If same defection favours your party tomorrow now, you will be jumping over.

Oh they should be free to defect so long as they resign simultaenously.

yemre:
But the ones that were not awarded to fraudsters lasted 17years (2006-2023) e.g. Lagos - Ibadan expressway.

The earlier you people learn to mind your business and spend your time and energy on what concerns you as citizens, the better for you.

Someone was convicted in two countries, his own headache! He gives me infrastructures to specifications as instructed and it's useful for me as a citizen, I'm happy. In fact, I'm less concerned about who is given what contract or who executed what. All I want is what I need. Period!

The present minister of works (Sen. Dave Umahi) that I know is a no-nonsense man who himself is a round peg in a round hole as a seasoned civil engineer in the field and aware of all the characters and possibilities of abandoning projects. We all know how many abandoned projects he has cancelled and re-awarded to other construction companies that are ready and willing to do the job. He follows closely, majority of the contracts being executed across the country and ensures compliance to standards.

Therefore, whosoever has criminal cases with foreign countries should deal with it.

You people just like discrediting the efforts of this administration just because of your hatred for PBAT and it will not do you any good. We all know that the road is a shortcut and even the economic benefits is massive but you people hate good things.

Is it Tinubu that will pass through the road or you and I?

Abegi. I no get strength this morning.

Whether you like it or not, Nigeria will work, in our own time!

Peace.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

eepeepook:
People concoct fake stories in a bid to trend. Congratulations to this writer. I hope the endorphin high lasts longer than a week.

Even if fake, worse happens in reality. Truth is stranger than fiction.

sreamsense:
But when they defect to your party, you will be happy, right? They will always tell you they consulted widely on those that voted for them before defection, which is cool for their advantage. Did Ebonyi ever regretted Umahi move to APC? Don't you see many benefits Ebonyi has gained even better than other eastern states. Instead of complaining, tell you small party to get well organized instead of incessant infighting. Same rules can favor you if you are well organized

Regardless of the party, it is wrong in principle.

Appletek:
Were you in coma when Obaseki joined Pdp from Apc?

You mean from APC to PDP.
I condemn it on all fronts regardless of party.

gmo10:
Thought you vote for individuals and not party
Hypocrite

People vote both

Sharpsharp00123:
Nairaland is always late to upload latest news


It has been called a prank n it has been disputed

Its no prank.

This defection thing amounts to cheating the voters. You will vote one party and then one man will just give the slot away to a party you detest. It should be outlawed.

Acidosis:
This man's end will be brutal. All the influence he thinks he has will crumble in less than 24hours. Smh.

Which man? BAT or Sanwo?

Ikaeniyan0:
Who were the people who lined up behind Ambode? It was mostly the Igbos who were supporting Ambode because of their hate for Tinubu.

Tinubu eventually defeated you all. You will all keep on wailing if you keep on interfering in Yoruba land internal affairs

You were the one defending the award of oil blocks to a company incorporated two days before the bid opened the other day.

So no surprise.

helinues:
Go to court a d stop ranting

Good heavens, who did this to you?
Must you defend the govt at every turn even when you see stark rape?

All for how much in terms of a monthly stipend?

helinues:
Fundamental rights or creating nuisance. What was their protest for?

Let assume they created a nuisance. Since when did that become a crime?
Are you this far gone that you support the arrest of protesting unarmed, non violent students?

LordReed:
Well, they haven't started throwing themselves as human molotov cocktails yet so thank Orion for that.

LordReed:
I know you are being sarcastic but I can't help but imagine that Elon would be the one to turn MAGA against Trump. A pipe dream, still a nice one anyway.

MAGA Cultists are worse than all the religious fanatics in history.

erniok:
Why aren't they putting forth the whole quotes.

Agenda.

A very rough grunt if it is someone I dont want to speak to.

FalseProphet1:
This thread is confusing me, I don't have any prophecy on this matter. Kindly bear with me.

This I have seen.

Thy loyal servant abideth.