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Isaacc729l:
Such a heartwarming sight to see leaders united in celebration. May their efforts in community building never cease.

You make me feel sick.

Kukutente23:
You're yet to name any

God. But did he create devil to be evil?

This just sounds like an excuse to me. Fact is, somehow or the other, his works turned up evil.

Only he has the responsibility for what he created.

It is absurd to begin to ask his creations to beg him for the way he made them.

Kukutente23:
Please enlighten me of religions were the creator directly said he created man apart from Islam and Christianity.

Thousands of traditional religions the world over.

Christian beliefs do not indicate that man was created with flaws and imperfections. Man was created perfect. Imperfections was introduced by the devil.

Who created the Devil?

correctguy101:
Word.

But as usual, they'll find another way with many words to convince/confuse themselves.

Self blame is their thing. .. smh

It gladdens my heart to come across the very very few such as you who contemplate these things. One thing I have come to understand is that God must necessarily be holy and perfect in the view of religious people, because if he is not, everything they have constructed about the meaning of life immediately collapses like a pack of cards, leaving them in the frigtening gap of randomness and uncertainty which life really represents.

Kukutente23:
It's not about Yahweh or not. That's just a name. All through the religions in the world (that i know of), only two religions have the Supreme Creator lay direct claim to creating the world, i.e. Christianity and Islam. I left out Judaism because presently, Christianity has subsumed it while Judaism is more like a culture. Since Islam is more or less an adaptation of the obsolete Judaism, it is obvious that the only original religion founded on strong doctrine of supernatural creation is Christianity.
I have not heard of any human claiming to create another human, nor is there any other being who has made such claim.

A great many religions all over the world speak about a direct creator of man. It is by no means limited to the Abrahamic religions. But why is your search confined to the realm of handed down religions?

You asked about repentance. Repentance must be directed at one who is capable of accepting your contrition and shielding you from the effects of your flaws. It is meaningless for example for a murder to sell forgiveness from one whom he never murdered or hurt with his actions, or one who is incapable of forgiving him. Thus, to repent, one must first seek out the one who is capable of accepting his repentance. Have you found such one yet?

How does it make sense to seek forgiveness from a creator who created you - with your flaws and imperfections? If a creator created you, surely it is that creator that is responsible for your flaws and imperfections and you have no business apologizing for what was not your fault, seeing as you didnt create yourself.

Is that not an Islamic prayer mat in the corner?

With ablution water on the other side.

Af0nja:


Fake news. These are traditional titles not God's names

But once you hear Yahweh or Allah you will say thats Gods name.

Kukutente23:
Why would you have a problem with worshiping anyone who creates you and everything on earth. Worshipping a supreme being or a supernatural creator sound logical not so?

How do you know that Yahweh is the specific being who created you. Do you realize you may have been created by a human or other being.

Repentance is realising your shortcomings as a human, the need to embrace a relationship with the supreme being and an active attempt to do that

I am humble about my frail and flawed nature. And to what extent possible I reach out to the greatness of what rests higher than and beyond me. But I do not assume that I, or any human, can ever grasp it, for God is, transcendental and ineffable.

Kukutente23:
Hamas are terrorists and it's not about the West. For me, anyone who goes about killing innocent people in the name of God or because he believes his religion asks him to is a terrorist and Hamas fits that description perfectly. It doesn't matter how strong or weak you are. As long as you believe God gave you a right to kill others especially civilians who have not wrong you in any way, that's terrorism. I'm not following Western definition of terrorists. But if you allow islamists to deceive you that they are the weaker in such matters, you'll come back hurt for it. Nigeria is a very good example. See how Deborah was killed in the North. The killers are known. Yet no one is thinking of holding them to account. It's same mindset that goes on to extend to terrorists. How many Muslims condemned the killing of Deborah? Even those who grudgingly did to sound politically correct still went ahead and blamed her. So what are we talking about? You think if islamist had the upper hand in the world, atheists and humanists will be alive today? Most of you will be dead. Islamists will not bate an eyelid to exterminate Christians, atheists, humanist, scientologist etc if they could. It's in their religious doctrine. So if you want to fall in love with Hamas, you're free to. But an agitation wit religious roots Most especially Islamic is a no-no for me. Boko Haram fracas should tell you how dangerous these guys can be

My dear, I detest such Islamists every bit as much as you do, but fair is fair.

The bigger terrorist in the scenario at hand is Israel. The European Colonial Apartheid Settler Project. Their terrorism vastly outstrips anything Hamas can or has done.

Kukutente23:
He was on the watchlist for his ties to communism and not any terror acts. Any communist was automatically a terrorist as far as the US was concerned.

Everyone knows Mandela was no communist and so long as he was on such a watchlist and also called a terrorist by the UK Prime Minister you ought to see the problem.

I cite him just to highlight the danger of a single narrative.

It is eminently easy for one party, who is an immigrant colonial settler population, and who subjugate the local population by force of arms, and who oppress them through the practice of apartheid and through enforcing limitations on their movement and other freedoms, to assert that the local party who naturally resist such barbarous injustice are thereby in some way criminal: and that their just insurrection is thus terrorism.

This is a wholly false, unjust and sinister narrative which you will do well to be wary of.

PS: It is not true that Mandela's association with communism was the only issue here. He was a prominent leader of the ANC and at a point the ANC had decided on violent resistance as the only option.

Tell me, is violent resistance of such barbarous injustice terrorism?

Kukutente23:
Besides, he was tagged a terrorist only by the south African apartheid govt. No other govt agreed with that appellation.

Margaret Thatcher called him a terrorist and he was on the US Terrorism watchlist till 2008.

Kukutente23:
What? Let me understand. Are you defending Hamas' methods? Really?
Like if IPOB start targeting innocent civilians and bombing public places in the name of Jah you'll think it's alright?

Its nothing. It just that having been reading your posts for a week plus now, I expected so much more.
Never mind.

To each his own.

Kukutente23:
So all those in that Kaduna village bombed by Nigeria Army are bandits right?

Those buildings are housing Hamas. That's common knowledge. There's a difference between Palestinians and Hamas. It is even Hamas that has a history of suicide bombings that is using civilians as human shield.

How is the Spirit of God different from God

Kai.

Kukutente23:
No sir, it's not about the West. Terrorism is not based on western definition. It's real. It exists. And its a danger if not curbed. For example. What is the business of the people of Lebanon or Egypt with Israel that they have suffered bombing from Hamas?
Terrorists enjoy killing those who have nothing to do with a political situation just to prove they can

I have great difficulty with those such as yourself who only see terrorism from the oppressed but never the oppressor. And I don't know how you missed the point about Mandela being tagged a terrorist.

Was that not "real?"

AntiChristian:
See failure promoting failure!
Maximum respect to failure and ignoramuses!

Abeg stop my mentions as we prepare for the biggest celebration on Earth!

You mean Euro 2024?

doffman:
No guy nah .

Since someone use same both hands to do good and the other person used same hand to do bad confirmed that everyone is responsible for his or her deed .

If anybody commit crime now , will you blame God . Hell no .

I am sensing you are an atheist bro . Anyway God will show you way and grant you desire to understand him well .

I am not an atheist.

doffman:
Let do it like this maybe you will understand .

God give you both hands right ?
Is he the one to be blamed when a thief or killer use those hands to kill or steal ?

Yes.

A creator takes full responsibility for all the functions and capacities he imputed in his creations.

Kukutente23:
1. If you want to defend your land, you don't do that by killing innocent people who have nothing to do with it. That makes you a terrorist.

Beware who and who the west brand terrorists - for in such "infamous company" you just might find someone like Nelson Mandela, who was on the US terrorist watchlist till 2008.

doffman:
NO.

A god cannot create a world . It is a GOD that created it .

The World is not created bad . It is we human that is destroying it . That is why his judgement is imminent .

How did any evil come to exist if not created by God? And when you say its human beings doing all the evil, tell me, who created human beings? Who designed them the way they are?

There you have your answer as to who is ultimately responsible.

doffman:
It is not a threat . When you do good, you will be rewarded and when you do bad , you will be punished .

That is why God created both hellfire and paradise .

Q 40:3 :

“ the Forgiver of sin and Accepter of repentance, the Severe in punishment, and Infinite in bounty. There is no god ˹worthy of worship˺ except Him. To Him ˹alone˺ is the final return.”

A god who created such a flawed world has no right to punish his flawed creation, because he is the maker of it.

doffman:
Anytime I remember that hellfire alone . It always forced me to do good .
That he’ll fire 🔥 is a no go area as this current world is full of evil .

There is no light and no righteousness in doing good from a fear of hell fire.

That is like doing good because of a threat or under duress. Or at gun point.

doffman:
Yes , many people embraced Islam when they found out the embryology was explained by Quran .

He let us know he has many way of his creations . He created some from both parents , some from single mother alone and sone without even both parents .

For the last sentence you talked about .
Yes , Allah punishment is the most severed but his mercies surpasses his punishment . That is why he always patients to delay the punishment of the evil doers ; he always want to see if such person will change so that he can show him his mercies. His punishment comes last.

And many times Allah talk about hellfire and other punishments; He talked more about his paradise as well .

Both hellfires and paradise is real o .

I think they are real but in a different way. A worse reincarnation is hell, a better one is heaven.

doffman:
You did not read it well . Continue reading .

At least you aware of its beauties.

Oh its beauties are legion. My favorite piece is Sura 56.


58. Have you seen what you ejaculate?

59. Is it you who create it, or are We the Creator?

60. We have decreed death among you, and We will not be outstripped.

61. In replacing you with your likes, and transforming you into what you do not know.

That last line here always awes me.

Kukutente23:
Pfft
You and humanism
Humanism is self-idolatry
Repent

If you have a problem with being self idolatry surely you should have a problem with anyone who says you should worship him.

Secondly what does repentance entail.

doffman:
No . Take your time and read Quran personally and don’t allow anyone to mislead you . We all need God and that GOD does not need us . If you worshiped him right , fine . If you did not worship him , others will worship him .

I have read the Quran thank you. And I am familiar with both its beauties and its barbarities.

doffman:
Good .

This is the Allah you are talking about .

Guy, Whether you belief in him or not , he is your God and you will meet him one day :

Q 2:278. “ Allah – there is no deity except Him, the Ever-Living, the Sustainer of all existence.”

The concept of Allah (just like the concept of Yahweh) makes attempts and pretensions to reflect what God is. However, any cursory reading of the bible or quoran makes it obvious that they are both pathetic constructs of the minds of primitive and barbaric men.

Kukutente23:
Hamas are terrorists. Anyone who goes into a town to train bullets in innocent civilians is a terrorist.

IDF are a professional army looking to exterminate terrorists. Are Nigerian army terrorists for fighting boko haram?

The spirit of God is God himself. Or does your religion teach you otherwise

I would have rated you light years beyond this simplistic take.

doffman:
You said God is God ?
How can will know this God and what are his attributes ?

It is the root and source of all reality and all existence, simple.

doffman:
Thank God , you are not the God that will give wages to every sins .

Does it make sense to create a faulty thing and then later sit in judgment over its flaws?

doffman:
Who is now God ?

God is God - the root of all reality.

That is not Yahweh or Allah. Both are barbaric tribal deities created in the minds of primitive men. And this is revealed by their primitive, parochial, tribalistic, racist, mysoginistic and barbaric pronouncements.

They are nothing but the projection of the minds of men.

Liberate yourself.

doffman:


I will condemn him as well , if I see him abusing God the same way your guy did . Are you happy now .

Show me his single post where he abused God like your own friend .

Wake up. Neither Yahweh nor Allah is God.

doffman:
Does anti Christian abuses God Same like your guy ?

You guys should wake up. Neither Yahweh nor Allah is God.