₦airaland Forum

Lawag3:
Yeah but European Americans are not called the indigenous people.

That's the red Indians are the indeginous people of America. Nobody will call trump Biden or any white American indeginous.

Yes but after the length of period they have been there, no one will possibly question their right to be there.

Lawag3:
Muslim ruled Spain. Are they indeginous to Spain?

Fulani ruled and still rule in some parts of Nigeria. Are they the indeginous people?


Britain ruled India. The Brits are indeginous to India right?


The only Moslem that is indeginous to the land of Israel is a Moslem of Jewish descent.

The real question is not about rule but this -

DeepSight:
How long is a group required to dwell in a place before being considered indigenous thereto?

Muslims have been in Palestine for about a thousand years now.

If Europeans who have been in America for less than half of that time are considered perfectly American, what are we saying?

Lawag3:
Was Saladin Palestinian?

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DeepSight:
If a Muslim prince could have ruled Jerusalem circa 1000 years ago, why do people imagine that the muslims there today are not indigenes.

How many people know of Saladin?

If a Muslim prince could have ruled Jerusalem circa 1000 years ago, why do people imagine that the muslims there today are not indigenes.

How long is a group required to dwell in a place before being considered indigenous thereto?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2l3huunX_Ls

Paraman:
Seun

Mynd44

Fergie001

DeepSight has broken rule 2

Lol, Paraman is Paranoid.

Kukutente23:
So you are thinking of a different format from that of 1960?

Oh shua Baba, ride on Baba.

Paraman:
Don't ask me a daft question

Well you are obviously both daft and have the mind of a slave.

Pork na better thin oh.

CountinBlessins:
This will happen In 2027. APac will.poose the presidential election.


The most hated party in Nigeria today is APC. Irrespective of all their online propaganda, the truth is as clear as day to everyone

The only thing that will save Tinubu in 2027 is that the election doesn't hold otherwise forget.

No matter how many bullion vans he uses to bribe , it won't work

People will take his money and vote him out just as they did GEJ

Even if only Seyi and Remi Tinubu vote for BAT, he will win the election in 2027, so long as he is alive and compos mentis.

Know this and know peace.

Paraman:
Tinubu is leading Nigeria to greatness

Are you a masochist?

Kukutente23:
Exactly. Now imagine the oil boom happened under a regional govt. The Eastern region will be better for it. The ijaws will still see the Igbo as parasites. The north will still remain poor. And since the central govt was run by the North, they might have deliberately sabotaged the oil windfall since they were not gaining anything from it!
My point is that the oil boom reached a crescendo because the military govts usually don't dilly dally on issues. A decision is made and followed through. You heard what the Total CEO said recently about Nigeria?

Indeed, but as I said there are a gazillion ways to design and redesign it.

Kukutente23:
But you can see what I said about a lot of people not well informed but just parroting regionalism cause it sounds cool. The northern region was poor. The Eastern region basically lived off the wealth of the SS which led to agitations for an independent Ijaw state. The Midwest thought the far West were cheating them. I can go on. I'm thinking of opening a thread on it. The more I dig deep, regionalism never worked. Nigeria reached its crescendo in terms of development in the 70s and regionalism was dead by then.

But that was not due to any particular structure that was the seventies oil boom.

Kukutente23:
Lol. You actually think so? Why didn't the regions develop those potentials from 1954 to 1966?
That was how trade existed bergen between the north and south in colonial times especially for imports and exports. Besides, if a scenario occurs that the NW prefers to export goods via Benin Republic which statistics show is cheaper than exporting via Lagos, will that be allowed in your system?
Like I said, those advocates of regionalism are just jumping blindly into it just like the national anthem issue too. Let's do an indepth research from both economic and political angle and let's see what the results say before we just assume. There's too much assumption about regionalism

Fair enough, but still beg to disagree, based on economies of scale and the whole being more than the sum of the parts. Nevertheless Ride on Baba, I dey gbadun you generally.

PS - The red is what OBJ's handlers are said to have told him regularly.

slaawomirr:
Damnnn niggar

The truth be say how people take dey add weight I nor just know

I don do all my possible best
Nothing show for my body...even this beer that people drink and they will now have protruding stomach and be big..me I have drink all the beers in this life and nothing

Its the weed.

Kukutente23:
1. US does not have regions. US actually have states. States is not a matter of population but the system of govt.
2. UK does not have regions as well. UK has cities and boroughs which make up each country within it. Each country is independent and are united by choice not by law.
iii. As I've been saying, youths today are poor students of history. Regionalism never solved the local govt issues you're pointing at. In fact, within the regions, there were agitations and cries of marginalisation.
4. Boko Haram is not a local govt issue. A local govt anywhere in the world cannot be equipped to fight a terrorist group that went as far as Mauritius to train its men and got weapons from Libya.
5. If states are not viable, what makes you think LGs are viable?

I wondered at his thinking as per point number five.

Kukutente23:
Worked little how? Can you expantiate?

The bold word doesn't have an "n"

Kukutente23:
Is regionalism an economic solution or a political solution? Cause if you're looking at it from the point of economy, given our present realities, it's even worse.
Presently, we have six regions not the three we had in the 60s. Out of the six only two are viable at least based on statistics i.e. SS and SW. The rest are seriously lagging behind in terms of development.
On the other hand, if we say we embrace regionalism as an economic solution, what do you think will be the economic potential of the north central? North East nko? If the northern regions want to export, will they pay the Southern regions for export and imports or will it be the other way round? I can tell you boldly that in terms of economy, this present structure is better off. The larger an economic unit, the more complex it is solving its economic questions especially if the unit is resource dependent like we are.

Beg to disagree. Each region has many untapped resources and potentials and weaning them off crude oil can force them to explore their potentials. Also, no, we neednt impose a scenario where regions have to pay one another for mere right of passage, that is extreme. Freedom of trade and movement will remain. Its all about the way in which we structure the details, of which there are a gazillion options to choose from.

It is important to note that Regionalism doesnt mean confederacy as you appear to be reading it. It also neednt imply that ALL resources are automaically owned by the regions. As I said, there are a gazillion ways to figure it out.

wirinet:
My apologies. Was negotiating with the carpenter repairing my kitchen and at the same time typing on my phone.

NL Addict!
I know the feeling!

wirinet:
So you have seen the image of Satan before? And your ancestors were worshipping Satan before the white men came to enslave and colonise them?

I feel sorry for you.

It would be funny, if it werent so sad.

Joy2dworldxyz:
What image are you talking about?
So I should keep the image of Satan because my ancestors kept and preserved it?

No, bro.

The governor did the right thing but the only thing I don't like about that his action is replacing it with another image. There's nothing like Jesus' image anywhere.....

Tell me, do you think the Greeks should destroy this ancienct site, which is a UNESCO World Heritage Site and one of the biggest tourist attractions in the world?

It is the Parthenon, and it is the Temple of the goddess Athena.

What say you - should it be mowed down?

KnownUnknown:
Where is this image of Satan?
How did they keep the image of a mythical character they did not know of?!

I taya oh.

Horrible fella long time. How u dey.

wirinet:
Christianity and Christianity are different sides of the same coin. The only difference is that Islam is 600 years behind Christianity. All the violence and intolerance exhibited by Islam today are the same violence and intolerance exhibited by Christianity in the 1300 to 1800s

Gbam!

PS: You might want to edit the bold.

wirinet:
So because you are a Christian, people's historical heritage that had been there for centuries, even before the white man brought you Christianity should be destroyed?
Meanwhile, those that brought you the Christianity preserve their own statues and other historical heritage.

If you see the beautiful works of antiquity that Islamists destroyed in Iran/ Iraq, you will weep.

CorrectionFLuid:
Tinubus second tenure is a done deal. He will rig the shit out of it and nothing will happen.

The only thing that can prevent tinubus second term is God's hand. If you know what I mean.

Gbam. You have said it all.

But gosh, when did this country become so docile that one man can just do us anyhow without so much as whimper in term of protests, riots. strikes etc. Na juju?

Kukutente23:
@LegendHero, I told you the bill was fake. Know this and know peace. Tinubu will NOT revert Nigeria to regionalism. Stop giving yourself false hope of Tinubu is strong and has balls. He has his limits and he knows it.

Besides that, I don't get all the fuss about regionalism. A factual analysis of events in the period when regionalism held sway will reveal that it did not work. You lots are advocating for it based on tribal sentiments and not national integration. There's no superior principle behind call for regionalism beyond a false or even zero sense of history and a belief it will give you security from "invaders".
Regionalism never worked.

Beg to disagree bro. Many states are not even viable entities by themselves so far. Regionalism can provide the "broad shoulders" for each province to aggregate its collctive resources in a more meaningful way. Each region in Nigeria will be as wealthy as most larger sub-saharan countries with some being even wealthier. That will also provide a truer federalism which will unleash economies of scale.

Kukutente23:
APC online thugs have been at it since 2011. That's over ten years. Quit the stupid lies dimwit

The two attachments to this post of yours disclose what I have since come to accept as a default sacred rule amoung human beings which can be summarized in these principles:

1. If I do something wrong its okay but if you do the same, it's haram
2. What is sauce for the goose is NOT sauce for the gander
3. Do as I say, NOT as I do
4. When a nine or six is written on the ground, it can be either depending on where I am standing - but NEVER on where you are standing
5. Everything I do has rational reasonable grounds and triggers, but everything you do is likely a result of your inherent evil nature

If you understand these simple rules of humanity, you will see them in practice EVERYWHERE including in your own home.

Wickedlywicked:
That easiest kick in football has cost people and teams glories, trophies and money just because they failed to put the ball at the back of the net.
If it’s easy for one person and many others are failing at it, then give that person his dough for being different. If it’s that easy, then everybody should be scoring it very easily. What you football novice call tapin is actually apt positioning skill and it’s something smart people like Ronaldo, Aubameyang, Erling Haaland and even Lukaku do because they are always at the right place at the right time.

Ruud Van Nisterooy, Pippo Inzaghi.

descarado:
That's another lie we believe in again. Are we really that successful outside Nigeria like the rest of the world who migrates?
In the West, the Asian are courted more. Nigerians are more into the lowest cadre of jobs eg care jobs in uk. You will hardly see a chinese doing care job in uk yet they the highest immigrants. South Africans don't do that. Cos we can't get other better positions. Nigerians come in to study nonsense and expect to get good jobs. In IT, they are nowhere, health they are still not there. We are actually at the bottom of the ladder everywhere. Just very few that made it. Let's be truthful. When we change money, it looks like we have something but health inequality indices places us as those under protected characteristics and disparities. Black people are mentioned and we being the most populous tells a lot

I dont think this assessment is true or correct. It is also extreme in the negative. Even if you wish to argue that we are not as successful as one may think, the truth is that we are no where as unsuccessful as a diaspora group as you have painted. This alone shows your assessment to be off by some negative bias.

A few addittional points -

1. South Africa doesnt have a diaspora at all. They are not really a travelling people.
2. Asians are into all sorts of odd jobs as well - including the lowliest and meanest
3. Nigerian I.T and medical professionals are all over the place contrary to what you say - and as a matter of fact there is scarecly a field in which you will not find Nigerians excelling in the diaspora.

Nigeria has a potent diaspora.

descarado:
I am yet to see a pastor that will reject gifts from corrupt nigerian politicians.

Haba, why. They will tell you Christ came for the sinners.
They have scripture to defend everything.

membranus:
Okay, you will soon know, when the Devil that is deceiving you now, will molest and mock you at death, which is inevitable for all men. Then the meaning of the word "lost" will be clear to you.

This is nothing but psychology which has been used on you. Threats of death and hell.

As for that "fellow man", He has been tested by me, and has proved Himself faithful all the time. Try Him too before you discard Him.

This too is psychology. If you directed the same energy at Olumba Olumba Obu or Sat Guru Maharaji - both of whom claim to be God - you will experience the same results.

descarado:
What do you expect, our intelligent quotient is below average so we can easily be manipulated.
Look at election time.

I dont think its an I.Q problem. Not only are we fabulously successful in every walk of life in the diaspora - even the most technical, be it neuroscience, space technology, finance, medicine, law, just name it - but even our fraudsters display high I.Q in their frauds. Its not a want of I.Q.

Its something deeply rooted in our primal pschological nature. The clannishness which inspires tribalism. The inferiority complex which inspires worship of the white man and his ways and religions. The instilled enslavement which inpsires the stockholm syndrome worship of oppresssors.

Skoonheid:
Nigerians do not know that life is spiritual. There's a judgement on your country and people. The devils and liars and thieves ride roughshod over you, yet you are still sleeping.

a rider on a black horse emerged in 2023 in your country. He carried a pair of scales. The color black signifies starvation and death.

Note this:
A quart of wheat for a denarius, and three quarts of barley for a denarius; and do not harm the oil and the wine."

Nigerians you will sell your children to eat food, pray that you don't have to face the prospect of eating your children.

Your enemies though few have you hemmed in, you know them but you will not consume them even out of love for your children. You will rather perish as slaves along with your children.

Truer words have never been written, especially the bold.

The most pitiful aspect is how energetically many people defend their oppressors.