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shadeyinka:
Hear yourself, Prove to us!
Who are you representing?

Am Representing My self and Other Atheist on here That want You to prove that This Satan Guy exist until you are Able to do that Shut up!

shadeyinka:
The message isn't for you because as far as you are concerned Satan doesn't exist.. The message was for someone who knows that [b]Satan exists [/b]and understand that some people are under his covert control.

Most of these people call the thought nonsense!

Prove To us That Satan Exist Or Shut up! it's not Good To to be Displaying Stupidity on A public Forum...

golpen:
This op is not new to many Muslims here. It is a clear copy paste from one of their numerous hate sites of bigotry and propaganda against Islam. In as much as I personally would have loved to be quiet, I'll instead make my clarifications because of some Muslims who may be reading this for the first time or not, and probably haven't got a concrete rebuttal.

Since Johnnydon22 day Fear to Accept that Disclaimer B4 he is Able to Comment On his Own Post i guess I'll try with this...

Please Can You tell Us Where This Beautifull Piece From The Op is Being Copied From?

And Please Did I hear you Say Hate Propaganda Against Islam? Why not Against Christianity But Islam? If Your Religion doesn't Pose A Threat To The Society Why should People Speak Evil about It and Don't do The Same For Christianity?

I'll first start with the appreciation of the acknowledgement of the thriving Islamic days, but will be more grateful if it can also be noted that the rightful modern evolution of science, technology, language and communication arts, rule of law amongst other aspects of human endeavours can also be largely attributed to only Islam and what comes with it. This will bring me to the op's first pont:

This Achievements Where Not Because Of Islamic Religion (other than its mandate for military expansion). In fact, the religion tends to discourages knowledge outside of itself (Quran 5:101-102), which is why the most prolific Muslim scholars are usually students of religion rather than science.

Science; fact is, their is no mathematical or scientific inventions which comes from any other religious scripture except the quran. As agreed, a man called Al-khwarthmi invented the principles of the two most important aspects of mathematics, ALGEBRA AND ALGORITHMS. These two has helped to evolution of technology by far. If the writer of this article has written these by any digital means, he has directly benefitted from Islam and the quran in particular, because these inventions were inspired while the great man studied the sharing of inheritance in a part of the Quran. There are so many developments that are being discovered by the day through Islam. Professor Keith Moore's case of discovery of the correct stages human metamorphosis in embryology is one that happened recently. He was able to get right his study through the help of the Quran. None the less, their are numerous Muslims, that have been on the fields of research and discovery in science. Islam encourages search for knowledge.

First, the Muslim world benefited greatly from the Greek sciences, which were translated for them by dhimmi Christians and Jews. To their credit, Muslims did a better job of preserving Greek text than did the Europeans of the time, and this became the foundation for their own knowledge. (Althougho one large reason is that access by Christians to this part of their world was cut off by Muslim slave ships and coastal raids that dominated the Mediterranean during this period).

many of the scientific advances credited to Islam were actually “borrowed” from other cultures conquered by the Muslims. The algebraic concept of “zero”, for example, is erroneously attributed to Islam when it was, in fact, a Hindu discovery that was merely introduced to the West by Muslims.

In truth, conquered populations contributed greatly to the history of “Muslim" science until gradually being decimated by conversion to Islam (under the pressures of dhimmitude). As Mark Steyn puts it, "When admirers talk up Islam and the great innovations and rich culture of its heyday, they forget that even at its height Muslims were never more than a minority in the Muslim world, and they were in large part living off the energy of others."

The Muslim concentration within a population is proportional to the decline of scientific achievement. It is no accident that the Muslim world has had little to show for itself in the last 800 years or so, since running out of new civilizations to cannibalize.

Third, the accomplished scientists and cultural icons who were Muslim were often considered heretics in their day, sometimes with good reason. One of the greatest achievers to come out of the Muslim world was the Persian scientist and philosopher, al-Razi. His impressive works are often held up as 'proof' of Muslim accomplishment. But what apologists often leave out is that al-Razi was denounced as a blasphemer, since he followed his own religious beliefs – which were in obvious contradiction to traditional Islam.

Fourth, even the contributions that are attributed to Islam (often inaccurately) are not terribly dramatic. There is the 'invention' of certain words, such as alchemy and elixir (and assassin, by the way) but not much else that survives in modern technology which is of practical significance. Neither is there any reason to believe that such discoveries would not have easily been made by the West following the cultural awakening triggered by the Reformation.

As an example, consider that Muslims claim credit for coffee - in the sense that they popularized existing knowledge of Africans who were caught up in the Arab slave trade. However, consider also that the red dye used in many food products, from cranberry juice to candy, comes from the abdomen of a particular female beetle found in South America. It is extremely unlikely that Western science would not have stumbled across coffee by now.

In fact, the litany of “Muslim” achievement often takes the form of rhapsody, in which the true origins of these discoveries are omitted - along with their comparative significance to Western achievement. One usually doesn't hear about the dismal fate of original accomplishments either. Those who brag about the great observatory of Taqi al-Din in [freshly conquered] Istanbul, for example, often neglect to mention that it was quickly destroyed by the caliphate.

At the end of the day, the record of scientific, medical and technological accomplishment is not something over which Muslim apologists want to get into a contest with the Christian and Jewish world. Today’s Islamic innovators are better known for turning Western technology, such as cell phones and airplanes, into instruments of mass murder.

To sum up, although the Islamic religion is not entirely hostile to science, neither should it be confused as a facilitator. The great achievements that are said to have come out of the Islamic world were made either by non-Muslims who happened to be under Islamic rule, or by heretics who usually had little interest in Islam. Scientific discovery tapers off dramatically as Islam asserts dominance, until it eventually peters out altogether.

Women; this is a funny aspect that bothers me to question people's sense of judgement. Firstly, as a native human being with natural intelligence, it is agreed upon that indecent dressing is not of a good portrayal. Likewise, those that encourage your young ladies to walk naked on your streets are seen in suits and long dresses in their corporate offices, even when it's hot as he'll, yet that has never been questioned. It shows how majority have been brainwashed by trending opinions of Western ideologies coming from a few people who don't allow their kids to practice what harm they have filled the society with. The nuns are fully dressed like the Muslim women, so are the orthodox christians, but a swipe at Islam is always appreciated by many blind folks in this regard. It is the bush people who dress half/unclad, they are from the primitive ages and if the truth should be said, it is degradingly primitive for women to dress with impressive parts of their bodies showing, no matter how beautifying it looks.

If You Like Cover Your Body From Head to Toe! A Pervet Is still A pervet!

That Being Said People Should be allowed To dressed How they Want to and Not Being forced to Dressed How they want You to... I was Watching aljezera one day And this Young Woman Was Crying When She was Being Interviewed She said When they Where Young They had The Freedom They Wanted But when it Comes to The Age they really Need this Freedom the Most it was Being Seized from they. They no longer have the Right to Make decision Concerning Their Lives Again.

Those Females in The Muslim World Are living in Bondage...

Terrorism ; this is a very sensitive issue in today's world. It further depicts how mentally lazy humans have evolved to become. They are fed with hate propaganda and they swallow it all hook, line and sinker. That would have only made a little damage, if every condemnation posed by majority of Muslims in the world have been allowed to yield any sense to their ears, but people want to listen to what they want to listen to anyway. What should be noted is this, believing that Islam is a reason for these recent terrorist acts is a major means of fuelling further acts of terror. This means you are perfectly going in line with the plans of the evil plotters, Muslim or not, and you are providing a hiding tent for them to plot more harm. It is now evident that most non-Muslims entertain these news in order to spite the Muslims nearer to them, so much so that if there's no terrorist act for a period, they become dissatisfied about their wrong judgement of Islam. They want more lives taken and that it should be that Muslims are the terrorists. But come to think, Hitler killed 3million at a go, LRA are still eating human flesh about, the Christian crusades ended millions of lives, slavery and killing of twins were perpetuated by Christian missionaries, who in the process killed your forefathers and rendered the others useless. Palestine is yet to gain a state in their own rightful homes, but all these are of no concern to the bigots and dogmatic ignorants.

Yes Christian Killed But Has Muslims Stop killing?

To my Understanding All Muslim Support terrorism If you Guys are Really Against It you Would have Protested Against It.. I still Remember The Danish Cartoon Or Have You Forgoton the Incident? Muslim Came out In Thousand To protest Why are They Not Doing It Against Islam Extremist?

The Different between The Extremist and The Moderate Is That One Has The balls To be a True Muslim While The Other Don't But Support The Act Any Ways. .

See As Her Hands Black... Sure say Na she Get that Face??

Hell (Sheol) [Jewish Mythology] = The place of the Dead Both Sinners And Non Sinners Go there

Hell(Hades) [Greek Mythology]= A place Where Evil people And are Being Tortured and Tormented

Hell(Hell Fire)[Christian Mythology]= A place Filled With Ever lasting fire Where Sinners Go to And Are Being Tortured and Tormented

In Christian Mythology It's Gods Angel That Torment People In Hell Fire...

What do you Expect When Religion is the Opium of The Masses?

Shebi them Talk say Tb no get Bank account?

The last Time it Was Spiritual Plane Let's see the Excuse he'll bring this time Around..

hopefulLandlord:
the Christians seem elated by this thread

do they think this thread does them any favours?

its hilarious

I think Most didn't Even read The OP...

And besides the Op is Confused..

The Last time it was Spiritual plane Let's see the Excuse He'll bring out this time?

What did jesus say about this kind of people self?...

Anas09:
The greatest trick played on mans intellect is to make him belive satan does not exists.

Satans best keep secret is disguise.

Exactly... The same way the Muslims Think you Christians are Been Blinded by the Devil...

Lol Shame Don Catch am

DoctorAlien:
How then is the society morally right since it denies me my personal choice(of becoming a slave to someone), which does not harm anybody in anyway?

Dishonest statement...

It harms You...

naijadeyhia:
So you admit that Atheists views like yours are irrational Since you find those of Deists to be Rational?

You seem to think that a tag or title defines you and not you defining the tag. Definitions came about based on actions first and not actions based on definitions. You still seem not to understand what the OP is lamenting about.

In a nutshell he is saying. .take your tag and shove it. Tags limit one is all he is saying.

Still assuming ? This is really bad Habit for communication if You continue like this i won't even reply you back..

johnydon22:
Since when did the universe become the definition for physical plain - i have no time to start arguing over your own misunderstanding.

Nature is the physical plain, universe exist in this physical plain - two different things for christ sake.

Therefore the physical plain [nature] can exist without the universe but the universe cannot without the physical plain - its so simple.

I think i Get your point now..

GrizzlyBear:
Again with the labels. I honestly don't give a fuucck about any labels. I don't even know what deist means and I don't care to know. The most important thing is that you can extrapolate my views from the comment I made.

So how did you arrive at calling yourself Atheist at first? Without even understanding it concepts?

I don't think it's a god, going by the religious notion of god. I think it's not something earthly humans can comprehend, at least with the present state of our consciousness and level of cognition.

This is True but why all the insults on Atheist? I don't argue with Deist cause i find their view to be Rational but what does it matter..

johnydon22:
Yes it can - there may be more than just universe just as there are more than 1 galaxy. . . Nature can exist without any part just as you can exist without your hands.

It may be defined as the totality of the Physical plain.

Base on your Definition no physical plane No nature?

I think you need to find another defination cause it contradict the first point you made.. Or is there something am not getting

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GrizzlyBear:
What religious people call god, doesn't exist. The biblical god doesn't exist, same as the islamic god, and the hindu god, and all the other gods that ignorant humans have fabricated through history.
But that doesn't mean I believe that there isn't something out there that orchestrated the big bang and engineered the evolutionary process . I think it's silly to think that the universe just arose on it's own and formed the whole complexity and sophistication and mathematical laws that apply perfectly to it, without any force programming this whole thing into existence. I agree there is something out there, but whatever it is, I don't think it's the God of any religion, and I don't think it intervenes in our lives and I don't think it gives a Bleep about the earth and whatever exists in it.

If i Can Remember correctly this are The Views Deist Hold to?

I also don't think we have the cognitive tools to understand such force. Humans recently evolved to make sense of their world, primarily to aid their survival, I don't think our brains have evolved to comprehend forces outside of our perceived reality

So you Actually Think That Force Is a God and must be Supernatural?

What we tag as "supernatural" are just aspects of the natural world that we don't have sufficient knowledge of.

If you Don't have Knowledge of it Why Believe in it?

johnydon22:
Nature can exist with or without humans - the illogical assertion is to think that for nature to exist [and humans are natural beings] therefore there must be humans - it's untrue - nature can swimmingly be with or without humans.

Can Nature Exist without the Universe and what is Nature?

And just as nature is not subjected to the existence of humans to be, so is the supernatural [if such a thing be] is not subjected to the existence of deities to be. .

Is nature Subjected to the Universe or The Universe Subjected to Nature?

I gave an example with humans to show the relationship. . By concept God(s) are supernatural beings just as humans are natural beings - the plains of existence [natural] or [supernatural] can be with or without certain being inside them.

What is the Relationship between Nature And the Universe?

KingEbukasBlog:
You really have a long way to go

You need this thread - Atheists Who Believe In Reincarnation , Spirits , Voodoo - Let's Discuss : https://www.nairaland.com/3320685/atheists-believe-reincarnation-spirits-voodoo

And So?

naijadeyhia:
Look at your rabid attacks on someone who is only expressing himself. Must he be like you before yoy would embrace his views?

Not everyone is full of hate and spite like you. We know that perhaps God did not help you win the lottery which is why you must hate the very thought of Him..lol

However your close mindedness is chocking you to death and you do not even know it.

Still assuming?

johnydon22:
Someone can be atheistic and believe in Ghosts, Fairies, spirits, zombies, vampires.

Atheist simply is a label for those who don't believe in God(s)... Nothing more nothing less.

This is Illogical!! Can you Explain to me How those Stuff doesn't connect to a God(The Creator)

GrizzlyBear:
This whole thread, isn't about me proving anything to you. It's about me being livid at the fact that people like you, who claim to be atheists, dismiss claims arbitrarily, because you already have preconceived notions that the supernatural doesn't exist, despite not critically examining the claims and sourcing for evidence.

If I remember Correctly God is also Supernatural right?

You are as ignorant as theists. The only knowledge you have over them is the knowledge that their god doesn't exist.

Am not Ignorant You are the one that Actually is...

For Someone that Believes that Supernatural Exist and Still believes that God(supernatural) doesn't Exist I think you have A problem..

Are you expecting me to dissect every paranormal claim right now? That would take eons. What paranormal claim have you critically explored and found to be false ?

You can start by tell us the once you experienced.

GrizzlyBear:
You've spoken perfectly well. I love your last paragraph. A world view shouldn't circumscribe your perception and understanding of your world, but most atheists allow their atheism to. I think they feel atheism is just the ultimate password to dismiss any claim that's not "scientific," forgetting that science is still a growing field, plus lots of scientists tend to not pay attention to hypothesis that they feel isn't "helpful" to them, hence hobbling the growth or expansion of that hypothesis.

That's where religion tends to have a upper hand. The people who wrote religious texts, understand that there are certain esoteric natural principles and knowledge, and they interpolated them into their books, as a means of preserving them, but atheists don't care about this. All they know is that the supernatural doesn't exist. Anything that can't be proven by scientific laws doesn't exist. Blah blah blah. Rubbish!!

Atheists call religious people intellectually lazy, not knowing that they are intellectually lazy as well, because they see atheism at the last branch of the questioning tree.

Please i hate All this Gibberish Talk

[size=16pt]Prove To Us That All Those Stuff You mentioned Exist!! [/size]

taurus25:
Atheists arent supposed to hold exactly the same worldview. The only thing they have in common is a lack of belief in deities.

There is what we Call the God Head

One can be an atheist and say, well, i dont believe in God, so i can kill, steal, rape, cheat and commit all sort of attrocities afterall theres no God at the end of the day.

If you are Caught you will End up in Jail..

Can we say because of such a person all athiests are horrible?. This why when i see topics condemning atheism because of some horrible atheist leaders, i just laugh at their ignorance and leave. Because people dont understand what atheism is in the first place.

This is True

This is why atheists these adds more tags to themselves such as humanist, realist etc...just to be clear their exact worldview.

Being an Atheist you can Be many things

naijadeyhia:
How can I be inexact when your very words are etched in the sands of Nairaland? Admitting to error isnt a sign of enervation you know....it rather is a sign of strenght. However your flailing attempts at denial shows your inconstancy.

Still Assuming?

@Op There Is A Difference Between Unbelievers and Atheist I think The Former Was What you Are and you miss took it for Atheism...