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linzeze:
You pay more doesn't necessarily mean FG intervenes Less in your school.One thing you need to know is that,Funding comes from different angle.Feds attract funding(home and abroad) more than states.
Whatever thing you want to call it,just know FG funds 40-60 % of State Universities budget except maybe states that are well to do.

Hmmn...I have been following this thread especially your discussion...the numbers you throw out seem to be more of assumptions rather than facts.
At first you said federal government funds 60% of state university budget then you backtracked to 40-60%....Please can you link us with the site(s) where you pulled out the statistics from? If you can't then I urge you to stop spreading misinformation either intentionally or through sheer ignorance.

LordMarquis:
The College of Health Sciences doesn't use CGPA. If they did, her CGPA would be more than 4.85. Don't forget that Zoology runs based on semesters and students are tested based on what they learnt over three months. Medicine is a sessional course and students are tested on what they learnt over a whole session. Furthermore, the Zoology guy needed to be consistent for 4 years while this lady did it over 6 years. Hence, her feat is more impressive than even a CGPA of 5.0 in Zoology.

.Hmmn...Yes you are right that most Medical Colleges don't follow the conventional method of CGPA But that does not change the fact that the guy in Zoology dept is the overall best in the school. In Uniben, a medical student also made a feat in the medical college( she was given more than 10 awards) but the overall best in the school was given to a lady in Microbiology dept with a CGPA of 4.91. Also being the best in the Medical College DOES NOT automatically translate to being the best in the whole school. So acknowledging the medical student as the overall best in OAU when Kayabd's Screenshots serve as evidence to the contrary is wrong.

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It seems the word 'pastor' is now being thrown at anyone just to make sensationalised headlines... With the rate at which this is going I would not be surprise if hear of one Pastor Shekau...

AAinEqGuinea:
Be careful who you adore.

Microsoft can't even make a viable phone for starters even though they had the lead and i won't get started on Gates Foundation's vaccines, touted by inferiors to save all of Africa.

Whatta hero

.hmmm...show me a successful man and I will show you his failures in other ventures. A man's failure in one area does not discredit his success in another... And Bill Gates is not an exception...

They deserve Charles Darwin award...

They deserve Charles Darwin award...

GeoSilYe:


Copycat!

"This is Uniben" beats this wack stuff hands down!

Like for Uniben share for uniport

Except Uniben also copied Falz who copied Childish Gambino...you see most things we see were once ideas which have passed through the hands of many potters before becoming reality.

sprints1:
I reason with what the guy above me said...but religion was created to make the world better... certain rules and regulations to reduce negatives of life...but now in this century religion is now driven by money and greed... technology on the other arm has done so many arms internet fraud cybercrime etc..well it depends on the perspective we see it... Is religion really helping nowadays...I don't think... despite the number of churches mosques etc the community is still revolving around greed...what I don't like is someone imposing his/her beliefs on me...religion was not created by u..u can tell me to dis do that if I do this I won't make heaven or if I don't pay this money I won't make the kingdom of God/Allah etc..well I also read from the scriptures or words of religion I can comprehend and interpret it the way I like...a man once said if u don't observe ramandan fully as a Muslim and u are enriching people' life making life better for others u are worse than a rapist a criminal a fraudster liar cheater who observes his own ramandan fully without skipping a day.. I looked at the the person who is highly religious and say is he OK.we need to understand their is difference between saint and good... now to what the guy above me said about man being selfish he is right that is why nobody is really good...we all I have this selfish energy around even if we give....

. Man has always been known to shift blame from himself and point the fingers to his tools. Going by your assertion what can make a seemingly harmless religion become poisonous? Man who in his selfishness has make a tool out of religion to further his own gain. Until man become totally selfless and take full responsibility for his actions and inactions rather than blaming his tools (a tall dream anyway) the human race will continue to experience conflicts.

superhumanist:
Really?

World war 2 was boosted by Hitler who believed that he was doing God's work against Jews.


Europe almost annihilated itself with different kings believing that they had divine right to rule.

Religion is the strongest form of politics.


Religion is not the only reason for war but it is by far the most popular with greed for resources.

Man selfishness has always been the reasons for his woes(wars included). Religion like technology, education etc is just a tool used by man to acquire resources for himself. Take away religion (which is a tall dream anyway) and man will still continue to controll and suppress his kind using other means. Also your assertion that the religious belief of these men caused all what you stated above is a construct of men who have succeeded in swaying you into buying their narrative using 'half truth' information which is also a tool to further their own selfish agenda. The truth is that man is naturally selfish and will continue to devise any means to acquire resources for himself even at the expense of his kind. Survival of the fittest they say it is...

kilojoDesigns:
It hard for an atheist to take a life, he knows he does so in his own responsibility. When you transfer that responsibility to another being whos story and values are controlled by a few rich and powerful sect there's no telling what they can make common men do...it's genius

hmmm...your statement my there is an 'untruth'. Tell that to a nihilist or an environmental extremist who happen to be an atheist.

johnydon22:
Doesn't this imply that as a tool of politics, the main culprit then should be politics?

Why then do we blame the tool and not the user?

. Well I love your decision to be objective in this. Like you said, religion is a political tool. But politics itself cannot be blamed in this as it is also a tool used by the user, man for his own selfish gain. Man is naturally selfish and in his selfishness he devises means to acquire resources for himself, family, those who share the same ideology as him etc. These seemingly harmless means should not be blamed but man who is the architect of his woes.

RuthlessLeader:
Technology is controlled by humans.

Humans are controlled by Religion

.Well that i a blanket statement... One can twist your assertions and still be right. I mean... religion can be controlled by man (politicians esp dictators are great examples). Also man can be controlled by technology(tech addicts say hi). That said, the underlying truth is that Religion and technology are tools by man who is naturally selfish.

Mr2wealth:
Religion as opium of the masses is good and helpful. However, the way the so called men of God (both Christians and Muslims) practice and use it to their own advantages and disadvantages of the gullible masses is disheartening.

. Well I dont take this Marx statement seriously because it is vague. You can remove religion from that statement, insert technology, entertainment, education etc and each of them will stick well. Infact any tools used in politics to make men 'feel good' and control their ideology can be referred to as an opium. So making that claim for only religion is intellectual dishonesty.

Hope those old papas behind aren't the admission seeker?....because in Naija you can never tell...

budaatum:
Here's one question I haven't answered!

We debate the existence of god because it is a topic that speaks to our existence. We perceive the world around us and cannot conceive it could exist without it being created. We also cannot conceive how we came into existence since our consciousness came long afterwards. We therefore look back and place a god in the gap, or a big bang (god in another guise) hence my, "Basically, humans made god up", to explain that which we were not sufficiently capable of explaining.

We are getting better though, through constantly debating it. We debate to learn more.

To conclude that man made up 'god' when we still can't fathom how man became conscious of the existence of a 'god' is intellectual dishonesty. If one is to tread the path of evolution, then it is safe to say that it is highly unlikely that a time will come when man will conceive how he came to existence.
Now if it is highly unlikely that man will know how he came into existence and how the idea of a 'god' became conceived in the mind of the early man then his conclusion that a 'god' or 'spirit' is simply made up is wrong.

budaatum:
First your assumption that early man "could only relate with his physical world", is wrong. Early humans dreamed and understood the dreams to not be physical and real. The early human knew stones did not have life, and that the dead became like stones, and assumed that which left the living was the spirit which dwelt in the netherworld when the human died. Even elephants weep over their dead. The mind and body dichotomy has always been a part of consciousness.

How did they come to this consciousness, is therefore, what I think you are asking?

If I claim to know such a thing I'd have to be like omniknowitall or some arrogant dame! What I can assume is that an idea grew in the mind to become what we now know it to be today.

I hope I have not ignored the question, but let me know if I have misunderstood it.

You are now getting my point but for an idea to grow in the mind as you suggested it must have been conceived in the first place and this still begs the question that is never goes away...how did the idea of 'god' become conceived in the mind of the early man in first place? or let me simply put it this way...at what point does the early man became conscious of the 'unseen'?
Also, If man Do Not Know how the idea of a 'god' came into the mind of the early man in the first place, why then do he feel the need to quickly dismiss the existence of 'god'?

hopefulLandlord:
1. 4evergod is a scammer who ran away with someone's 6 million naira and deactivated his accounts, threw away his 3 phone lines and packed out of his place of residence, we had a mutual agreement not to quote each other before he scammed and ran away

2. Vaxx and I have mutual respect for each other and I'll be surprised if he thinks me a coward but then I'm in a habit of opting out of debates if its heading nowhere

3. the third person there is 4evergod reincarnated who calls himself a pig farmer

4. science.watch is what I'll be if I were an extremist, drank vodka to stupor and dancing shakushaku to science student while simultaneously typing on Nairaland

whether 4evergod was a scammer or not is up to you and is no way related to what I called you out on. If you can't win theists with superior argument then live your life and let them be. You jumping on all christian threads farming for likes is childish and this seems like a desperate attempt to cover your weakness in debates...grow up man...

paxonel:
Hell is real,
That's true.
But all I'm saying is hell is not for any christian.

And pastors making alter calls on pulpits is wrong. It seems they are not recognizing what Christ did on the cross when he said IT IS FINISH. They want to do their own.
They should channel the call to Muslims or non christians instead

Be reminded that all that goes to church aren't Christians ,therefore, a pastor making altar call on pulpit isn't wrong ,rather, it is your assumption that is wrong. When Christ said it is finished, it does not mean the sin in the world has cease to be, rather, the daily sacrifice of lamb for the remission of sin is no longer needed. One who calls himself a Christian while living a life of sin is deluded and must be warn of the danger of hell instead of being pat in the back even if he sees it as threat...

paxonel:
His congregation are all christians or believers .They have believed and are saved already therefore the warning is not necessary.
The warning should be channelled to Muslims or people of religions other than christianity.
As many that believed he gave them power to become...

Yes, it is true that he was talking to his disciples taking it from Matthew 24 but the people he referred to as THE RIGHTEOUS were not his disciples but the Jews and their leaders or Pharisees who refused to believe that he was the coming Messiah at the time.
These Jews regarded themselves as RIGHTEOUS over other tribes or gentiles because they had the law from Moses.
So, the question i asked, who were the sheep and who were the goats?
The sheep were the disciples who some of them eventually became christians when Jesus died and resurrected
The goats were the Jews who never became christians. They refused to believe that Jesus was the coming Messiah but remain in their Jewish religion or Judaism, these were the people Jesus referred to people having their part in the lake of fire simply because they refused to believe, not christians.
The bottomline is, we are saved by our religion or faith, without faith it is impossible to please God.
Therefore it is very wrong to threaten christians or people of the christian faith with hell fire like kumuyi and pastors are currently doing today.
There is nothing spiritual there to understand only that your pastors have failed to research this.

Your assumption that everyone that goes to church is a Christian is wrong. Some may profess to be Christians but that doesn't make them one. Jesus Christ himself said not everyone that calls his name shall make heaven (Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven)

hopefulLandlord:
Again, the devil took him to an exceedingly
high mountain, and showed him all the
kingdoms of the world, and their glory.

The lesson from the third temptation is that the earth is flat or how else does one describe seeing the whole world on top of a mountain?

I have noticed you always jump on all christian related thread to troll but when confronted by sound theists for debate you run out of threads with your tail in between your legs(debate with forevergod, vaxx, butterflyl1on, science watch etc. comes to mind). Stop being a trolling coward....

paxonel:
I told you the warning was not for his disciples.
Now read Matthew 25 from verse 31 down. Read it again from where Jesus was saying in parables he shall come down with his glory, he shall seperate the sheep from the goats.
In that parable who were the sheep and who were the goats?
I'm asking you, i need answers.
If you know who were the sheep and who were the goats from the stand point of what Jesus was trying to explain here(not from what we think after reading) then you should know that the warning was not for the sheep, it was for the goats.

That is what kumuyi has failed to explain over the years.
Like i said it's all about educating people of the bible and not using bible to play religion. Education brings knowledge which in turn brings freedom.
And you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free

Be reminded that parables are earthly stories with spiritual interpretation. Now when Jesus mentioned sheep and goats he wasn't telling a story ,rather, he was simply stating the reality of what will happen to the righteous and the unrighteous on the day of reckoning. Yes his messages here can be extended to all and sundry BUT that does not negate the fact that he was talking to his disciple. Reading from Matthew 24 vs 1 shows he was replying the question posed by his disciples(Matthew 24:1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple. 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.)...Again I still see no reason to fault a preacher for warning his congregation about the dangers of hell when Jesus himself did the same. Shalom

paxonel:
That's true, studying in the university does not immune you from being ignorant in other aspect of life. What i meant was that university education will give you a better edge to understand your area of interest.
If your interest is theology or workers training or whatever then you should understand the area of your interest as someone who has gone to the university, not as the the general believes developed by conventional theology .
When that happens you will surely be at variance.
But kumuyi is not at variance,
Without doing any research he teaches what everyone in Nigeria want to hear.
Rapture, hell fire, end time .
Therefore how can the people have a change of mindset for the better?

You know Nigerians like fear and fiction a lot?
Check our home videos or movies now, fear, spiritual threats and fiction are all traditional things

Do you believe hell is real? If yes then someone warning you about the danger of hell isn't putting fear in your heart ,rather, he is reminding you about its reality. If Jesus could warn his disciples about hell (see Matthew 25vs 31 - 46) then, there is no reason to fault any preacher for issuing the same warning to his congregation. To be frank, some church goers only want to hear soothing message about God's mercy but any one that make reference to God's Justice seems like a threat to them because deep down they know their heart is not right with God. Shalom

budaatum:
Basically, humans made god up. Just like they did fairies, aliens, spirits and ghosts.

Hmmm...it is either you didn't get the question or you are willfully ignoring it...let me simplify this...if the early man could only relate with his physical world then how did the idea of the 'unseen' or 'spiritual' became conceived in his mind?

paxonel:
Jesus warned men in Matthew 25, not christians.
There was no christianity as at that time. Jesus was not yet crucified.
The same thing applies to revelation 20, the warning was to Jews who refused to believe.
Remember, salvation is simply believing .

You see this kumuyi of a man?
Na only God dey see him errors

Hmmm...If here in Matthew 25 Jesus can warn his disciples (these were his chosen followers) on the danger of hell then I no reason to fault the pastor for doing the same (See Mathew Ch 24 where he was only with his disciples under the Olive tree)...By the way,Jesus words before his death on the cross are as important as those after his crucifixion so suggesting it holds no weight on the lives of today's Christians shows how warped your take on Christianity is...

paxonel:
As
The truth is he has not educate his pastors or members enough and when they make mistakes he is quick to threaten hell fire.
Do you know what it means to educate people?
Do you call school of theology or workers training education?
Pls education is far beyond all that.
You must understand that we are living in secular world and education encompasses the secular.
You will agree with me that more than 70% of deeper life church members as it also applies to other churches and even nigeria at large have no form of university education,as a result people commit more sin out of ignorance
So kumuyi should be rather sympathetic to people
Do you think God is not aware of this fact?
He is aware, thats why a created a common platform of people to be saved and not go to hell fire irrespective of their educational background and sin level . And that common platform is Christ.

Well...there are untruths in your comments and I was compelled to reply... You say education is all encompassing( That literally means it is beyond what is being learnt behind the four walls of the school) yet you berate school of theology, workers training etc. FYI, studying in a university doesn't immune you from being ignorant in other aspects of life for instance, a successful medical doctor may have no idea how on to balance a ledger book......By the way, @ the 70%ish...where did you pull out that statistics from? I need the source to take you serious...what you've written up there remains your own hole riddled opinions and shouldn't be taken as facts until you provide the source of that ridiculous statistics...

paxonel:
I have never seen anywhere in the new testament where the apostles or christians were threatened by hell fire,
Or can you people show me?

Well I have seen the Bible passages where Jesus warned men concerning hell( See Matthew 25 vs 36-46)...If Jesus Christ, the foundation of the Christian faith could do that then I see no reason warning believers on the dangers of hell should be frowned at (unless one isn't a Christian he claims to be)...Beside, Revelation the book of the Bible which was written by Jesus beloved disciple, John tells us of the reality of hell (See Revelation 20 vs 11-15)

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budaatum:
Humans have always wished to understand their surroundings. They however started off with next to no awareness or knowledge of things so did the best they could and created gods to fill in the gaps. Surely, they concluded, the earth with its huge expanse could not exist without it being created, so something must have created it. It appeared to them that there was more food when the rains fell, so they bowed down in awe at whatever it was that must have made it so. Thunder struck and someone told them the gods were angry - and in some places, hungry - and had to be worshipped and sacrificed to. Then some people found they could control others with it and a religion around gods was created. There's more to it than this, but basically, the idea of gods filled the gaps in human knowledge.

While I agree with some of the subsequent replies you gave, your reply hasn't answered the first question I proposed. There is quite a large leap between having an idea of a 'god' or 'spirit' AND attributing the existence the universe to a 'god' or 'spirit'. For the primitive man to credit the existence of things around him to a 'god' or 'spirit' he must have gotten the idea of 'god' or 'spirit'. This begs the unanswered question...how did the idea of 'god' or 'spirit' became conceived in the mind of the early man?

It is not a surprise to anyone who have had discussions with atheists to be told accepting God's existence is just an avenue to shy away from brain tasking researches. In fact 'attributing ignorance to God' is a famous line among atheists...but is this assertion by atheists really true? Well, this senerio below will give us some insight...

A primitive man(lets say from Amazon) walking along the forest path comes across a drone...Does he assume it was formed by accident(or evolution) OR does he believe it was made by a creator whose identity he is yet to be known?... If he is to opt in for the former, then it suffice to say he won't be obliged to know how the drone came to be as there is little or no motivation to know the origin of an object that can only exist by chance...On the contrary, if he goes for the latter, then questions such as these arises...Who is the creator? Where is he? Why did he create it? How the he create it? What material(s) was it created from? Why is it here?...The quest to answer these questions spurs him to make researches and hypotheses. These can even go drive him further to make prototype(s) from materials available around him rather than a long wait for another one to appear by chance.

I remember how my fondness for toy cars as a child was rooted in the urge to make one. Accepting that the toy was made by a creator rather than being formed by chance was the first step that spurred me to make one(hey buddy don't get too carried away, the one I made isn't what you think it is). One statement I remember telling my younger self then was 'since this toy do have a creator then I can make one myself'. Knowing the toy was created, I asked questions akin to the ones asked by the primitive man in the above paragraph. The bid to satisfy my curious mind prompted me to disassemble the toy, examine the mechanism behind it and make one myself. Looking back in time, if I had conceded that the toy existed by chance, I wouldn't have bothered myself with the need to know the mechanism behind the toy let alone making one ,rather, I would have waited long for the time another toy being made to be by chance to present itself but the likelihood of that happening again is low.

One can infer that the probability of recreating an object is higher when one acknowledges it has a creator than when one concedes its existence to chance. Also, contrarily to the untruth being spread in the atheists circus, accepting that the universe which makes us wonder in awe was designed by a Creator gives rise to questions which share similarities with the one being asked by the aforementioned primitive man and the quest to answer these questions has driven man to make researches, experiments, hypotheses, theories, inventions which has gotten him to this present age of civilization he is....and the quest still goes on. If man had conceded his 'ignorance to chance' as atheist try hard to make us believe, I doubt man would have gotten to where he is today.

budaatum:
A few questions will?
Humans are conscious.

Reality exists.

The purpose for living is to live.

Good and evil are brought into being by conscious beings.

You are going to have to explain how any of this shows if your assertion holds or not. Can't say its obvious.

The first question asked if human are SELF conscious being NOT conscious being...note the difference...

For the second...Again if one is summit to the philosophy behind atheism then it is suffice to say that there is no such thing as 'absolute reality' but the one man construct in his mind...perceived reality

The third? I love how you wittily gave a vague answer but let me narrow down the question...Does life really have a meaning? Is man really special than let's say a stone?

As for last question...the atheist stance is that good or evil simply Do Not Exist...a breakdown?...before man can call something evil, man must know what good is. But before man can call something good, he must have a moral framework to distinguish between good and evil. But before man can have a moral framework to distinguish good and evil, he must have absolute moral laws to build that framework. But before man can have absolute moral laws, he must have an absolute moral Lawgiver (laws don’t give themselves) which atheists do not subscribe to...And this begs the deliberately ignored question...What Good Does Atheism Offers To The World?...
Yet we see atheists portraying themselves as humanitarians, freedom fighters, human right activists, animal right activists, environmental activists etc... It is either they are bunch of pretenders Or they are living in delusion.

budaatum:
I find it amusing that you input consciousness to the universe such that it needs to be aware of ones existence. If I read you correctly, the gods are aware of ones existence for some reason or the other, and the universe also is aware of ones existence. I wonder if the gods and the universe are considered to be the same thing by you? And I wonder at the sense of self importance one must have to assume the entire universe knows and cares that one exists. Vanity is the word that is used in Ecclesiates to describe existence.

Existence itself cannot be an illusion, though one can be deluded in ones perception. It is a similar predicament facing the schizophrenic who sees demons where nothing exists. Indeed, anyone who sees things that are not there is deluded, but thankfully, most believers don't claim to have seen their gods which is why they merely believe in their gods' existence. If they actually know their gods exist, they would not claim to just believe.

But all this would matter not, if it actually had no consequence. A favorite hymn of mine starts, "We are building a people of power". I unfortunately do not see any power in people who cower in fear of going to hell and who do not boldly go forward in their faith creating heaven on earth as they are asked to do. What I see is people on their knees begging their gods and paying their pastors to save them from hell and damnation. All that effort and resource could make the world a better place, but currently it goes to making a tiny few mighty rich while deadening the brains of its sheep, unfortunately.

Hmmn...Just a few questions will tell if my assertion holds or not...
Is man really a self conscious being?
Does 'reality' exist or just a construct of the mind?
Is there really a purpose for living?
Does good or evil really exist?