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Christianity EtcRe: Pastor Adeboye At RCCG Convention In 1987 (Throwback Photo) by delexy123:
Martinez19:
The little beginning of the scam. Scammers don't become rich overnight into the pastoring business. It takes time, hardwork and diligence to make it by milking the sheeples.
.Wait? Can you read your statement again to see how ridiculous it sound? The essence of scamming is defeated if you can only see the 'fruit' by striving for a long period of years.
Well...if your perceived 'scammer' have to wait for a over a decade to get his 'pay' when he can get the Same pay under few months then he is not worthy of the title you tag him with....
EducationRe: 2017/2018 UNIBEN Admission Thread Guide by delexy123: 9:09am On Dec 13, 2017
Dmasterhero:
Please what was his screening score?
Did he apply via IJMB or JUPEB?
1. He had a Pude score of 51
2. He applied via NCE
EducationRe: JAMB Remitted N7.8 Billion To Nigerian Govt, Not N5.2 Billion – Oloyede by delexy123:
yebokos:
Western education in Nigeria as turn money making .. Just calculate amount generated by weac and neco ( both July and November ), nabteb,jamb,ijmb... Then calculate numbers of graduates turn out yearly..then how many of them get job. Its time we divide the society into 3... So don't need higher education.
Hmmn...Education is really expensive than you think...even in western countries like the USA, student pay for their schooling through their nose( even the student loan scheme cripples students with debt which accumulate overtime)....though this shouldn't shield the government from criticism for its ineptitude in handling Education in Nigeria...
EducationRe: 2017/2018 UNIBEN Admission Thread Guide by delexy123: 8:28am On Dec 13, 2017
Direct Entry applicants given admission via Jamb Cap can now print out their admission letter.
Here is a sample...

EducationRe: 2017/2018 UNIBEN Admission Thread Guide by delexy123: 12:13am On Dec 13, 2017
Direct Entry applicants should check their admission status on cap. My brother has been given his....

Christianity EtcRe: Daddy Freeze: "I Have Prayed For An Enemy To Die Before, I Won’t Lie" by delexy123:
It is quite funny and ironic that people who accuse other people of being 'sheepie' are the Real Sheepies who always gulp down everything Freeze says rather than searching the Scripture as to see truth for themselves as the Berean Christians did. They are so blinded with hate that they have allowed their emotionally weak mind to be tossed to and fro by Freeze just because he confirms their failed narrative. Little wonder atheists always see their defense as fun to mop the floor with...May I introduce you all to a drone of men with crushed self esteem who desperately join the latest bandwagon to become relevant.

Back to the topic....God was, is and will continue to be a God of Mercy and Justice (the Old and New Testaments confirms this). Yes this is a dispensation of Grace but that does not deter God from punishing dead sinners who opted to remain in their evil lifestyle rather than repenting while alive on Earth by sending them to hell.
What I mean in a nutshell is that God 'reward' both good and evil deeds so what the pastor said is Just a prayer asking God to confirm his unfailing word( It is good to know that there hardened evil men who have sworn to Death to wreck havoc in the Christendom so they always get what they asked for in order to make way for Christianity to thrive).
Edit: The statements above are NOT meant for athiests consumption as they don't believe God in the first place.
Christianity EtcRe: Daddy Freeze & Eldee React To Pastor Adeboye's Death Prayer This Morning by delexy123: 5:41pm On Dec 09, 2017
Barristter07:
Okito



You make me laugh Sir , Since when has churches embarked on such prayers against corrupt politician's . Probably I estimated Year 2001 , Nevertheless the same corrupt politicians are still ruling the same country isn't it ? I expect you to calculate the estimated Year 2001 till 2017 , And ask yourself if such prayers has been answered, If it hasn't unravel why God Almighty Didn't answer such prayer. Do this task, and discover the truth yourself




If God Almighty is to liberate man from suffering, its not his duty to dictate how God should punish his enemies


For a test, You can show me where David Prayed to see Saul dead in your Bible .
Hmmn... You are such a genius that you have answered the question you raised in your first paragraph with your last paragraph.
Mind you....You need to know the difference between spiritual enemies in high presence who have sworn to the Devil and death to wreck havoc And an ignorant man who doe's know he is been used by the Devil
Christianity EtcRe: Daddy Freeze & Eldee React To Pastor Adeboye's Death Prayer This Morning by delexy123:
Hmmn... Sometimes I laugh whenever I see Freeze and his 'sheepies' desperately clutch on straws just to force down a 'failed' narrative into people's mind.
As a critic, this statement is one of the weakest 'jab' to throw at the person you are criticising as it is bereft of logic and only thrive in arousing the emotions of emotionally weak people who are too blinded by hate to do research themselves( the Bible in this case) And Freeze knows this.
Back to the topic....God was, is and will continue to be a God of Mercy and Justice (the Old and New Testaments confirms this). Yes this is a dispensation of Grace but that does not deter God from punishing dead sinners who opted to remain in their evil lifestyle rather than repenting while alive on Earth by sending them to hell.
What I mean in a nutshell is that God 'reward' both good and evil deeds so what the pastor said is Just a prayer asking God to confirm his unfailing word( It is good to know that there hardened evil men who have sworn to Death to wreck havoc in the Christendom so they always get what they asked for in order to make way for Christianity to thrive).
Edit: The statements above are NOT meant for athiests consumption as they don't believe God in the first place.
I am always bemused whenever I see Seun with his atheists drones comment on any Christianity related topic....I have a candid question to ask...
When as God whom you see as Non Existent become so important to you to the extent it has become an obsession to always comment on topics relating to Him? Why are you so attached to a Figment of Imagination( in your own words) called God that you find it very difficult to ignore and move on whenever you hear or see His name?
CelebritiesRe: Daddy Freeze, Dangote And The Benson Idahosa Story by delexy123:
Lets learn to tell ourselves the the truth sometimes and stop the 'hivemind' mentality. I care less about Freeze 'spat' with pastors. That said, the FACT is Freeze criticized pastors because they are 'soft targets'. He followed through with this calculated move since he knew that any form of backlash will only be verbal. He knows criticizing the government mean shortchanging himself (ask Kanu) so he subtly avoid any talking point criticizing them (see the Libya issue where he even praised the government despite their ineptitude and chose to blame the pastors instead). When he start liberating people with his 'ACT' rather than just his mouth as real reformers do, I will begin to take him serious.
Edit: The 'most comfortable' job to do is criticism( You need just to find loopholes/faults on issues and hammer down on it) and anyone can do that fine ( case study: Nairalanders). That a person is a critic does not mean he will DO whatever he says ( funny enough, It often turns out that he does exactly what he criticized others for). To know the real man behind a critic give him the 'seat' of the man he is constantly criticising and see how he fares....
Christianity EtcRe: Come And Prove God's Existence - Week 1 by delexy123:
johnydon22:
Man still have no idea how the idea of Dragons came to the mind of the first men, we still have no reason to objectively believe dragons are real
Hmmn.....One of these is unlike the other. This is a faulty comparison and you know it.
One can argue for how the idea of dragons came into the mind of early man thanks to the discovery of fossils of flying dinosaurs commonly called pterosaurs. Upon stumbling on this fossil, the early man might have decided to call it any name he deem fit and 'dragon' is one. Man, known for his love for exaggeration began to recreate stories(fireballs, healing tears, reincarnation) from this 'discovery' thereby making it sound more incredible. All I am saying in a nutshell is that 'dragon' may have been a 'rehearsed' pterosaurs all along.
On the other hand, One cannot explain how the idea of a 'god' or 'spirit' came into the mind of the early man (even the thought of leaving a day old baby in middle of the Amazon and record how he 'reasons' without man's intervention cannot fly). With the thought of ''how the idea of a 'god' or 'spirit' came into the early man's mind" still shrouded in mystery, any attempt to dismiss the existence of a 'god' or 'spirit' will continue to hit a brick.
EducationRe: 2017/2018 UNIBEN Admission Thread Guide by delexy123:
ESIXLOVE:
my dear friend, Education is not only gotten from the classrooms cos " EDUCATION " as an entity is way bigger than our schools.
The quote should've been " IF YOU THINK KNOWLEDGE IS EXPENSIVE TRY IGNORANCE. "
From your line of thought, I get that Education is the acquisition of Knowledge which goes beyond the four walls of the school to include day to day learning or experiences. But be reminded that any gotten Knowledge was once shrouded in Ignorance before it was gradually unraveled by 'Education'. This makes Education to be the Key to changing Ignorance into Knowledge. If that is the case, even though the guy's perception of Education maybe limited to just 'School', his assertion remains true that "If you think Education is expensive try Ignorance"
Christianity EtcRe: Come And Prove God's Existence - Week 1 by delexy123: 1:03pm On Dec 03, 2017
johnydon22:
I don't know, i wasn't there



Man needs an external authority or the emotional succour of an external care-taker. An unflinching need to feel so special and so loved, to feel that this life that is fleeting and vane, is not all there is. Man needs an assurance that he is not just but a cosmic accident in an indifferent universe.



I don't know though highly unlikely



Highly unlikely
Have no idea

Highly unlikely


Because the concept of God like every other concept man has made impacts on man's social, economic, personal, emotional life.
Thanks for the matured response. Now here comes a rather baffling question...
If man Do Not Know how the idea of a 'god' came into the mind of the early man in the first place, why then do he feel the need to quickly dismiss the existence of 'god'?
Christianity EtcRe: Come And Prove God's Existence - Week 1 by delexy123: 4:00pm On Dec 02, 2017
johnydon22:
Yes my brother, i trust you have been well.



Well i never said that a creator is not required to create these wonderful things on my reply to your post, my post addressed the replacement of ignorance with God.

You see the problem of - How can there be such wonderful amazing creatures without an intelligent creator creates an even bigger problem.

Because the intelligent creator must be even more wonderful and amazing to be fully capable and able to create these creatures, so doesn't this also raise the problem of "How can such awesome wonderful and amazing intelligent design exist without another intelligent designer?

You see we are now in an even bigger problem?



There is really nothing wrong with accepting or agreeing to ignorance. Without ignorance there won't be a need for us to learn anything at all. I am sure you must agree with me today that everything we know of now, we were once ignorant of it.

So accepting ignorance where you lack knowledge is a mark of intellectual humility and this is a good thing, it creates room for more studies. Since we do not, it is not necessary that we assume up an answer to fill in this gap and let that terminate our research.

Would you rather have someone agree they don't know or just give you any answer they want?



The thing is this is an appeal to emotions. you may make yourself feel good and special by assuming a creator all-powerful and eternal who cares about you and that is totally great.

But the question is: Is this true?

That something makes you feel great and cozy doesn't necessarily mean it is the truth. I prefer a cold objective truth to a warm cozy special lie.
I don't know why these questions below are always avoided when we know it holds the key to the knowledge of the existence or nonexistence of God. I will love you to have a go at it @Johnny don22...

1. How did the idea of a 'god' or 'spirit' first become conceived in the mind of the early man?
2. Why is man so attached to the idea of the existence of a 'god' that it has sparked thousands years of debate which is still ongoing?
3. Will there come a time when this debate will stop?
4. Will there be a time when the receding ignorance will cease to be and man will know all there is to be known? (note that at this point, man would be omniscience therefore, the debate of the existence of a 'god' will cease to be).
5. If there will be a time like that, will man be able to survive up to that time?
6. If possible, what are the chances that man will be able survive and achievements that feat?
7. If there is 'very low' or No chance that man will survive up to that time of being omniscience, then, why do man still debate the existence of a 'god' when he knows that he wouldn't live to proof or debunk it?
EducationRe: 2017/2018 UNIBEN Admission Thread Guide by delexy123: 7:32pm On Dec 01, 2017
AWhyyy:
My jamb portal keeps showing this whenever I want to login. It just started 2 days ago. Please does anyone know what it means
This implies you used the same e-mail for both Jamb and Direct Entry. Those who did this are currently having this problem when they try to login into their Jamb account. I advice you visit any Jamb office to make complaint or you can send it via their official twitter page.
Christianity EtcRe: Freeze Fires Back After Pastor Matthew Ashimolowo Called Him A 'yoyo'. by delexy123:
Freeze, I am disinterested in whatever rants you have with pastors.... But what caught my attention is your failed move to justify your drunkenness. I mean...
What demon inspired you to compare your drunken self to JESUS CHRIST by claiming he was also a drunkard?
Why slyly choose a SINGLE verse to set a false narrative thereby misguiding unguarded Christians and reinforcing the Sons of Belial?
Why not include the whole CHAPTER so that the full context of the statement will be understood by anyone willing to study the Scripture with open mind? (For sincere seekers, read Luke 7 vs 1 - 50 to get the whole concept).
If you can hold in high esteem a bogus claim made by hating and lying Pharisees that JESUS CHRIST is indeed a drunkard to the extent of using it as a shield for your own drunken lifestyle, then I doubt if you have ever had a personal encounter with CHRIST in the first place...
EDIT: If you are indeed a Christian, rather than being drawn into 'fanboyism', I urge you to search the Scripture daily and pray for discerning spirit to sense claims slyly engineered to make you doubt the Person of Christ and weaken your christian faith. Shalom
EducationRe: 2017/2018 UNIBEN Admission Thread Guide by delexy123: 7:36pm On Nov 30, 2017
Hello house, Jamb has just enabled CAP for Direct Entry aspirants. You can now login into your Jamb account to check your admission status.
Here is a sample.

Christianity EtcRe: Come And Prove God's Existence - Week 1 by delexy123: 7:16pm On Nov 28, 2017
Niflheim:
@The general house,

I can't believe that this thread has made it this far!!! Afterall, "DEICIDE" has answered all your questions!!! And to buttress his point:

Yesterday, I was strolling around Central park, and I noticed cat dung on the floor!!! This is proof that STERQUILINUS(The roman god of dung), exists!!!

And today, I was passing the local chapel, and I saw a monk, putting his iron rod inside the backside of a nun.............................and the nun was screaming in ecstacy!!! This is proof that CHOU WANG(The Chinese god of Sodomy) exists!!!
Op, the word's you've just spewed up here reek of arrogance and this condescending attitude of yours make a reasonable person see no need to engage you in a worthwhile debate. Learn (or pretend) to be open-minded when opening a topic for debate and don't give real debaters the notions that your mind is already wrapped up on a thesis even before discussion begins. In a nutshell, learn to be a matured debater( even though I don't agree with some of Johnny don and Handmirrror's thesis, I do love the maturity in the way they debate)
That aside, to prove or disprove the existence of God, these mind boggling questions need to be answered by man and that include you. Failure to do so will ONLY lead to endless arguments.
Here comes the questions...
1. How did the idea of a 'god' first become conceived in the mind of the early man?
2. Why is man so attached to the idea of the existence of a 'god' that it has sparked thousands years of debate which is still ongoing?
3. Will there come a time when this debate will stop?
4. Will there be a time when the receding ignorance will cease to be and man will know all there is to be known? (note that at this point, man would be omniscience therefore, the debate of the existence of a 'god' will cease to be).
5. If there will be a time like that, will man be able to survive up to that time?
6. If possible, what are the chances that man will be able survive and achievements that feat?
7. If there is 'very low' or No chance that man will survive up to that time of being omniscience, then, why do man still debate the existence of a 'god' when he knows that he wouldn't live to proof or debunk it?
PoliticsRe: Rochas Okorocha And A Blind Evangelist At A Church Service In Imo (Photos) by delexy123: 1:41am On Nov 28, 2017
Alariiwo:
How can a blind man be an evangelist?
It's there in the bible that any man with disability can't stand in the altar same for gender with long hair (women).

All these yeye doctrines people follow nowadays ehnn.
can you find me the chapter and verse please?
PhonesRe: 4GB Of Ram And 32GB Storage Brand New Smartphone That Costs 31k by delexy123: 1:26am On Nov 28, 2017
Gptech:
Still don't understand, ruggedness as in? If you analyse Samsung Galaxy s6 the way you just analysed this phone, it will be a bad buy for even 50k.
Common, Samsung is a big brand around the world including NIGERIA, even a 'layman' recognise the brand and this gives them leverage to soar high amidst criticism. If Samsung should make a scrap and call it a flagship today, people ( Nigerians included) will still overlook their flaws and buy their products because of 'brand' ( The case of Samsung Note 7 comes to mind). But same cannot be said of Leeco which an average Nigerian barely know (yes, I know Leeco is a top brand among Chinese phones and it is popular in China, USA, Russia etc).
Note: I LOVE the phone but that wouldn't make me blind to the cons. Also, I gave potential buyers two reasonable alternatives and it is left for them to choose the one that suit them as I don't want to force my opinion on them.
Edit: For those guys talking about fast charge... Have you ever wonder why the average Nigerian is so fixated on battery capacity every time a phone review comes up?
Why average brands like Tecno, Infinix, Itel etc always include 'BIIIIIIG BATTERY' in their phone advert?
Have you ever think of the reason behind the reduction in the demand for the once cherished power bank?
Knowing fully well about the epileptic supply of electricity in Nigeria, the fact that you are privileged to get access to light doesn't mean others are....
PhonesRe: 4GB Of Ram And 32GB Storage Brand New Smartphone That Costs 31k by delexy123: 12:29am On Nov 28, 2017
fibonacci2526:
Still on the big battery ish, why would I need a big battery when I can charge from 0-100% in less than 90mins?
I don't think everyone have access to light as you do.
PhonesRe: 4GB Of Ram And 32GB Storage Brand New Smartphone That Costs 31k by delexy123: 7:19pm On Nov 26, 2017
fibonacci2526:
Leave am, this Kain person nor fit use flagship device like S8. IDK if people don't hear of quick charge? Tecno and infinix don waste people for this country.
Hello bro, truth to be told the phone is top notch but the battery is not too good. Just 3-5 hours on heavy usage and few bugs. Also the phone is respected for its flashes and sleekness not its ruggedness. Yes, we must defend what we love but we shouldn't be sacrosanct.
That said.. ...If you are the type that love quality camera, big ram and rom, great speed ( say hi to helio 20x) and sleekness that compete with the likes of Samsung and Oppo with lower price then go for this BUT if you are the type that is not too careful with phones or you love big battery and ruggedness above sleekness then this phone is out of the picture.
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BanjiHols:
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EducationRe: 2017/2018 UNIBEN Admission Thread Guide by delexy123: 9:51pm On Nov 20, 2017
Icosahedron:
I believe In Mathematics, because in Mathematics, no statement is taking for granted without proof. So if you want me to take your God serious, show me a proof that he exists. All I need is a proof and nothing else. Prove your God is real and I will become a Christian again.




A tragic future and a tragic eternity indeed. It seems this useless God you people worship doesn't have common sense.
Common sense should tell your so called God that millions of children are dying every year in Africa and the world as a whole owing to malaria epidemic caused by the same mosquitoes he allegedly created.
Common sense should tell God that this world we live in is a disgrace. We have deaths, natural disasters, people always under the sun running and working their ass off with emotional pains just to make ends meet, people get betrayed and killed for no reason, millions of children are dying yearly due to hunger and diseases.

No! I cannot believe that an all-powerful, all-loving and all-knowing God can exist and still permit this level of Evil in the world. No! Only an evil God can tolerate evil, a good God who is infinitely merciful would never sit back and allow his children suffer. A loving God would never burn people for eternity just for a wrong doing. I cannot accept this doctrine you preach. It is incompatible with common sense.
Hmmn... BABY ATHIEST(smiles), At first I wanted to respond to the gibberish you spilled up there but then I decided against it as it could deviate important discussions in this thread and defeat the purpose for which this thread was created. I dare you to create another thread in the religion's section and give me an invite. (Remember just me and you***winks)
Christianity EtcRe: God Delivered Me From Low Self-esteem by delexy123:
Papiikush:
If you are a man and you suffer from low self esteem, you will end up committing suicide.

Its not about being a Christian or whatever, if you move with the "right friends" trust me dude, you'll never have any reason to look down on yourself.

Another reason is because you were a broke bìtch ass Nigga now whey money don come, who no go carry shoulder?
hmmn...having low self-esteem doesn't translate to being poor or being a hermit. A closer look into the lives of WEALTHY AND FAMOUS people who died of depression will tell you the extent at which low self-esteem destroys life regardless of how accomplished you are.
On a side note, I urge you to always take a pause and THINK before you rush to comment as one who reason with the sole of his foot...your comments are becoming comical.
EducationRe: 2017/2018 UNIBEN Admission Thread Guide by delexy123:
Icosahedron:
Sorry bro. I understand your pain.


"Find what you love and let it kill you " - Charles Bukowski.

Let passion be your motivation in life, do not waste you time doing what you do not love. I love Mathematics with passion and that is why I applied for the course.


There is no God. No devil. No Satan. Nothing like ghosts or angels and demons. No heaven nor hell fire. It's all bullishit bro.


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You have probably wasted the good times you should have devoted to your books in praying to an imaginary God.
Stop praying to any useless God. Don't allow any pastor or native doctor deceive you. Go into your room, buy textbooks of Standard. Avoid humans and dedicate hours and months for your studies. Understand that the course your going for is very competitive and try to cover all the contents in the syllabus.
Believe in yourself and don't believe that any useless God can help you. Think about all the sufferings, pains, killings, oppression and the sorrows of those suffering from different diseases in this world, yet all God does is fold his hands and watch his children pass through unimaginable pains that resulted from his mistakes. It is either this God is a complete idiiot or he does not exist.
If UNIBEN admits you. Congratulations in advance. If the reverse is the case, then please take it easy lest you might fall into a serious depression that might have negative effects on you life. Just go get good textbooks of standard and prepare for them next to year with all you have.


P. S. I'm for a combined honours in Mathematics and Economics so we're literally course mates. Cheers.
Hey bro no offence BUT if you think the gibberish you've just written up there will help an already 'depressed' person then you joke... l mean you hijacked someone's vulnerability due to frustration to chip in your own 'warped' view of reality and at the same time throw cheap jabs at his/her belief AND you called that an advice?What a counselor!
Anyway, this thread was SOLELY created for academics but if you need an evidence for the existence of GOD then I am a living testimony. Shalom
Christianity EtcRe: Christ Is Not Under Attack, Christianity Is by delexy123: 2:49am On Nov 17, 2017
Proudgorgeousga:
The fault is not in Nollywood, but in our society. we see ATR as evil due to colonial religions.
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EducationRe: 2017/2018 UNIBEN Admission Thread Guide by delexy123: 4:07pm On Nov 14, 2017
Ksslib:
I almost forgot. I was skimming through the pages and saw somebody dropping his login details so they can check on his behalf.

Hmmn. Pls don't ever try that again for your own good. There's a limit to what and what not can be shared with strangers, most especially on an anonymous forum. Don't do that again haba. If you can, change your password. All of you who have shared your login details with people other than your trusted friends/family should change your login password.

There's a reason is called "Your profile". Don't allow desperation push you into making a foolish mistake you'll regret later. How can you put out your details on an anonymous and dangerous forum as nairaland that has taught many a very severe lesson? smh

Just pray one idiot doesn't login and help you reject your admission even before u see it. This is one of many many many situations that could go wrong once you put out your details for everyone. Don't you understand/ cherish your privacy? Jeez!!
Please house, my brother has been admitted on Cap and Uniben Kofa but he wants to wait for direct entry admission for the same course so he hasn't accepted his admission on Jamb Cap. Is it advisable to take the risk and wait for direct entry admission ?
LiteratureRe: What Is The Difference Between Reviewing A Book And Summarizing A Book? by delexy123:
eezeribe:
This kind of thread should not be making front page.... When citizens from other countries see it,I wonder what they would think of the average Nigerian youth or our educational system...
It's really a shame if the op actually doesn't know the difference between a book review and summary.
I find your comment quite funny. pls, when has acquisition of knowledge result to poor educational system? Do the West have monopoly of knowledge? Skim through Reddit or Quora and you will find a lot of 'dumb' whites. This shows you are the type that with gulp down every idea from the West without applying critical thinking just because they are white and at any given opportunity trample on Nigeria values just to get a pat on the back from your beloved mental slave driver, the white man.
I advise you hold your low self-esteem to yourself instead of infecting others with it...
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EducationRe: 2017/2018 UNIBEN Admission Thread Guide by delexy123: 1:06am On Nov 14, 2017
Draei:
So delexy123, where did you get 70k from?
check this out

EducationRe: 2017/2018 UNIBEN Admission Thread Guide by delexy123: 1:06am On Nov 14, 2017
Draei:
So delexy123, where did you get 70k from?

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