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When Obasanjo insulted journalists, we thought he was wrong.

All goes back to d education system and eventually to the government *smh*

AbuHanifa:
This is one of the consequences of giving toba attention in islam for muslim section. When islamic messages are posted, it is seriously deserted, deal with this brothers and sisters

u'r right actually. I saw it immediately after it was posted but ignored it. I came in only because I couldnt stand a Muslim sister kinda agreeing wv him. And I think sweetnecta joined for the same reason- to disprove d misconceptions which in d long run, makes a lot of sense.

davidylan:
and here was i thinking boko haram was an extremist group. They are just good old muslims who know their deen.

dont c how boko haram is related with the post. Another of, lets call them terrorists when we got no point?? *smh*

toba:
I can tell that more than 60% 0f muslims that i know in Nigeria are wakkie. I mean the soji type. Even on This Nl most of your muslim ladies are wassup people yet they believe in God and some are wayward whilst some are not.

Me im telling u that the reverse is the case in Nigeria, Uk and Ghana. These are the places i seldom spend my time in a year and i study people as well
This isnt just yoruba or African issue. Its general. k and france nko? People are moving away from the old school This is the fact and u must accept it sir
u are once again wrong. Can i take a poll on this? if i do take a poll we will discover that over 80% of NL that are muslims male and female are leaving the old school. My question is by going with these latest trend go to hell fire?

yes. people do those things but the fact that they do them doesnt make them right. There are many fake pastors in Nigeria. That should make a good representative of christianity abi?. Now, I think the fake pastors are funky. That is how every pastor should be. Every pastor should be a cultist to increase the number of followers and make money from tithes. They should perm their hair and make their followers steal from their bosses so the house of God may be in abundance.

toba:
Smdh. Its not about me my sister. u know i adore so much and if not for religion difference hmmmmmmm.


Seriously im telling the fact. im not against the Qur'an's injunction, but what im saying is that we human being must evolve with the latest trend withot sinning against God. Im a choir master and i sometimes chastise my girls if their hair comes out one small bit in church. i dont permit them to wearing trouser in church or open their hair, yet im an advocate of funky dressing that wouldnt cause sin against God.

U are not to keep covering r hair 24Hours naaaah. To me it makes less sense. I love ladies that are well packaged and good looking. thats me my sister

u are using your xtian mentality to judge Islam. xtianity doesnt give u a dress code nd doesnt tell u to dress in particular ways But Islam does. Sometimes i feel like u make deliberate attempts at pretending not to understand.

Now, I know a little sociology( did dat in my 1st yr) nd I must tel u dat am aware cultures change naturally. They evolve nd dat is wat happens in Arab countries. they seem to be moving towards d ideals of the west. But the west has evolved too by getting bits from other cultures. At least, dat is obviously seen in their entertainment industry. Point is, where there is religion to guide you, every form of mislead must be avoided. Every thing good about other cultures can be imbibed but nothing that goes against Islam should be condoned!.


Rather than make assumptions about Islam, always ask questions. Muslim women dont cover up 24/7. U only cover up when non mahram are around.

asking u to bring scholarly reference is actually an honor- take it or leave it. U seem to not know dat revelations in d Qur'an must be taken into context. Why, when, how? these questions are to be answered. It is just like pple who claim they have every right to kill unbelievers just because the Qur'an says so without understanding the conditions of when such killing is allowed, for what reasons and how

If we are not to tamper with nature and am allowed to translate the Qur'an as I wish. Would it be alright to say we av all tampered with it cos actually we av built on the soil, dugged into it and av changed the form of so many things. we av gone into the moon, placed satellites around the earth nd so on.

Now tell me those are not human and i'll ask u if it is okay to circumcise a boy or to pierce ur ears for ear rings or to wear henna( laali)

toba:
things work out in modernized way ma. when i was in the higher institution, there was nothing like Black or white berry. facebook wasnt even available then. now when the likes of Dyt, Deols, bhusayor and co are schooling, theres BB and facebook. they all use it. i also told u about the change in the nikkai way of doing marriage. most nikkai are beiing done in a xtian like carnival manner. with engagement, dance to English songs in the presence of top muslim clerics. young muslims like jarus etc would want a well modernised nikkai devoid of the old school style. at least i know 3 muslims here that are very well mannered and are good ladies. yet none of them do hijabs or where old school dresses. we must change with the trend whilst not getting carried away. i love ladies that dress funky and smart and presentable. when u take them out to see your friends and colleagues, they'll commend for having a taste of fashion and classy lady. its a matter of choice and most nigerians are getting out of the old school thinkingop muslim clerics. young muslims like jarus etc would want a well modernised nikkai devoid of the old school style. at least i know 3 muslims here that are very well mannered and are good ladies. yet none of them do hijabs or where old school dresses. we must change with the trend whilst not getting carried away. i love ladies that dress funky and smart and presentable. when u take them out to see your friends and colleagues, they'll commend for having a taste of fashion and classy lady. its a matter of choice and most nigerians are getting out of the old school thinking

see ds toba boy oo. u are comparing technology with religion. You are calling an injuction of the QUr'an old fashioned. Are u going to accept it when an atheist tells u going to church is old fashioned?? nd ur dance talent would be better put to use with some rap song with lewd lyrics rather than the choir master thing u do. *smih*

o ga o, sister Uplawal. stop d insult pls. I av avoided u over d years.

U seem to av reverted into Islam without allowing Islam reform you. Even if u'r right and am wrong, dr are better ways of passing ur message across.
why not face d real issue here instead of focusing on your sheikh.

toba:
whats pathetic in speaking the truth? why dont u just ask how things work, before crucifying me?

so, how do things work   . me using d word pathetic is just about using your own term against u. gerrit?

Dyt:
Hrd u
bt u shld know Muslims dont even wanna do dose anymore
dey wanna b funky

Islam is never about the majority carrying the vote. It is a matter of right versus wrong. Even if the king of saudi wld do somthn bad today doesnt mean every muslim must follow suit. Pple wear hijab better/ more in d Nigeria of today. At least when our own parents were in d uni dey werent wearing d kinda hijab we now wear. nd Muslims in Uk nd d USA are more ready to show off their faith by trying out the hijab. The way they do might however be different.

toba, Pathetic!

Weezzy:
People tends to be too logical/empirical but they always forget science shortcoming in supernatural metaphysics, smh
Do not worry yourselves doubters, buh u will surely understand the dark magic that defines the African people once u re at the receiving end of it.
For all the Albert Einstein and Michael Faraday in the house y don't u volunteer your Joysticks as samples just to put this Africa magic to test, ha ha ha ha!!!
Experiments was the building block of western empiricism but my African brothers wouldn't want to be part of any dark magic experiment cos of the fear of d same phenomenon they logically claim to be non-existent, lol!!!!

reminds me of thunderbolt. Medical doctor tried out the locals. All his doctor friends could do is give him water saline(drip) after the babalawos finished d job.

There's always a spiritual realm to things.

Cant believe anyone in their right minds think this as normal.

Truly, women need to do better for women. Same Nigerian women bring their daughters up with the slave mentality. She gets to do the house chores while her brothers play around. The boys subconsciously see women as tools to better their world.

@ toba, good points raised.

we also pray before marriage.The prayer is called istikhara. In fact, it is for all kinds of decision making. even if u need to choose either chewing stick or tooth brush, d prayer would suffice

nd about courting, u av heard our sisters nd brodas say a thing or two here, so dont bring that up again ok??

but then paitor, ow wld u sleep with someone u aint married to nd expect satani not to av a way. dat is absolutely wrong nd it is a corrupt practice. Jesus wldnt agree to dat. nd if u dont marry each other eventually, he wld av bn dat close to u?? no oooo.

I checked d link. .mature as dey cald it nd makes a lot of sense. But av known dat since forever. PEOPLE dont change. They can become MUslim though

Uplawal, did u see d video ?? Not only did this guy sing the songs but he showed pictures of nude women. I had to stop seeing it at that point, even as a female. would the prophet have done that??

u talking of Muyideen says a lot about you. Even if he had done ds, it wld still av bn wrong. We dont take what people say because of whom they are. It has to always be a matter of right or wrong. even the Imams we follow av it in their different books that if we find out that they were wrong, we should not follow them but the guidance of rasulullah.

In fact, I'd rather read a novel than listen to Muhyideen.

uplawal:
It is not halal,but haram,me av not seen devoted sisters applying relaxers except the likes of you,sweetnecta's wife,ignorant ones,and other stubborn ones,that will wanna prove haram to be halal just like some sisters that put beautiful henna design on their hands and carry it about without wearing gloves to conceal it. Why must you change the way Allah create you in the first place,he knows best why he gave you afro hair,and not silky hair like caucasians or asians
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NEVER TAKE OUT YOUR HAIR WHEN YOU ARE NOT READY TO WASH IT AND MAKE IT

WASH YOUR HAIR WELL WITH GOOD SHAMPOO

APPLY MOISTURISER AND GREASE THE HAIR ROOT

TOWELDRY AND BLOWDRY

GET AN HAIR DRESSER TO MAKE NICE HAIR STYLE IN YOUR HOME AND NOT SALON
PUT ACCESSORIES IF YOU LIKE,SPRAY IT AND MAKKE SURE YOU DEMAND HAIR MONEY FROM YOUR HUSBAND.

sister Uplawal, welcome bak!

I checked the verse u mentioned nd d commentary too. If u provide something scholarly on it, nd convincing enoff, believe me I'll stop relaxing my hair. I actually do all u av said above but there's still always d need to relax it. But until proven otherwise, it is halal.

not every saloon is exposed nd except that avn ur hairdo outside is haram too, u dont need to av it in ur home.

Sweetnecta:
@Pleppville; « #4 on: September 22, 2011, 05:42 PM »Established prejudice dies so so so so so so slowly.
What do you know about Muhammad, when me a 9ja man is bettered by emulating him?

Look at the ra pe that occurred to the poor nigerian lady in the hand of the University Students in Abia state. One of the students said Jesus as he was conducting his evil agenda.

Sheikh Ahmad Deedat [ra] said in one of is videos that he asked the muslims why you wish to hurt the non muslims as they hurt you, exactly, but you always say that you can't ra pe their women, when they ra pe your women? As bad as you think Islam is, the least you can do, is to turn to the muslims to learn about Islam by asking questions.

the best advice any1 can take

[size=25pt]of what benefit is the 10 million naira after their death.[/size]. A very silly reason to commit suicide.

hopefully, ds will go a long wayyyyyy

am i surprised u came up with such a response NO! u can try harder!!!!!!!!

mUST U comment?? if u need to know how NL works, u can c d GENERAL section instead of embarrassing yourself here.

I c it as more political is y i posted it here.

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Muslim Students Convicted of Being Mean to Israeli Ambassador

Last year, when Israeli Ambassador Michael Oren announced his intention to speak at the University of California at Irvine, some members of the school's Muslim Students Union plotted to inform Oren of their feelings about some of Israel's policies. They used their voices to do so. This is illegal!

Today 10 members of the so-called "Irvine 11" (charges against one of the original eleven students were dropped) were convicted on misdemeanor charges of disrupting a meeting and conspiracy to disrupt a meeting in a Santa Ana, Calif., court. Here's what they did, which is a crime:

In February 2010, as Oren began to speak about the U.S.-Israeli relationship at a campus speech, the students rose one-by-one to object to Israel's occupation of the West Bank. One shouted, "Michael Oren, propagating murder is not an expression of free speech!" As the offender was removed from the audience, a designated compatriot shouted, "You, sir, are an accomplice to genocide!" And so on. According to an attorney for one of the students, the longest of the interruptions lasted roughly 8 seconds, and the total amount of time taken up by their outbursts—combined—was roughly one minute.

That's one minute too long when you're talking about Muslim students interrupting the Israeli ambassador to the U.S. to inform him that some people think his country's policies are unjust, which is illegal, so don't do it.

http://gawker.com/5843400/muslim-students-convicted-of-being-mean-to-israeli-ambassador

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These guys must be made to face the full wrath of the law. Shame on all the people who claimed it didnt happen. shame on Abia state government

your address says dubai and your price tag is in naira ??

mdsocks:
Perfection is there anything like that?

How hard do one have to try??, its better you accept what you have or in your search for perfection you end up with someone who's ready to fake

it and give you one hell of a swell time.


a.education level- any level above high school and a good comprehension of what goes around her would do for me, and she must be

ready to grow and learn more,

b. finance/type of job- I like the independent ones, . I have talked to many naija gals and they always give that impression of

someone lazy.(not generalizing).They say i want my partner to take care of me and pay my bills and some even go as far as telling me their

preferred guy should be ready to pay them salaries, and mind you deols no one is searching for a ready made lady, we just want someone who's

ready to do something and not delegate all expense on the guy, hmmm

c.social strata- not applicable, can be from any level. I believe i can handle any issues from a girl any level,

d. family heritage/ nobility: i dont give a damn, its her am getting attached to not the family, i take my definition of her family or heritage

from her character or behavior. She might be coming from a family with a bad image but she has got her own personality and am gonna judge from

her personality and not the family or heritage,

i read ds again nd actually got something from d purple. d'u realise dat ur wife's family is also ur family. u would need to care about whom dey are. Afterall, her parents would be ur children's grandparents and her neices deir cousins. they would av their holidays wv dem nd prolly share much more time wv dem dan wv ur own family.

Just Imagine a lady marrying an Abacha. Except that the children have a different surname or never live a public life, dey'd be regarded as relatives of the tyrant leader.

But really, I can understand a situation where a child doesnt agree wv her father's attitude for example and shld not be judged, especially for marriage accordingly. But it would matter to me still. I bet my grandma always say he has to be from a good home, not necessarily a rich one!

mashaAllah, i particularly enjoyed d story of the camels. ds is highly thought provoking. Muslims of earlier generations did so well in different fields. d likes of Ibn Sinai can not b forgotten in medicine.

I will InshaAllah post an article on known Muslims in d medcal field. I wish muslims of ds generation can take a cue from dem thereby restoring our lost GLORY!

maclatunji:
@mdsocks, when I talk about perfection. I am talking about life in general not just about a search for ones spouse. @deols, there is nothing wrong with your requirements in a man, However, be prayerful that you will find someone with a good heart in addition to those qualities you have highlighted.

while writing that, I had a feeling some people might be thinking my list is exclusive, as pointed earlier. I dont think praying for a good heart should be a deols thing. Even if someone desires d opposite of all i av said, dey'd still need someone wv a good heart.

deols:
where are all d oda singles nawwwwwwwww. lets talk more plsssssss.

I really want to know how important the ffg are to every one here when considering a suitor for marriage.

a. level of education

b. finance/ employment/ type of job

c. social strata( upper, upper-middle, lower-middle, lower)

d. family heritage/ nobility.

now, my point on the above. note- am going to b writing my view as well as perceived views as d case may be.

a.education level-  a university degree at least. I'll value more a guy who has a masters if he ddnt study medicine or law nor is he a chattered accountant.

b. finance/employment/type of job - It is common to hear Nigerians say women/girls are after their money. But those girls are definitely not people like me. I am comfy at d moment nd I do not doubt that I;ll b able to make my own money in d future. But that is not to say dat  am goin to consider a lazy bone just soo\ as not to seem a gold digger   I'll feel prouder of helping him start up dan going for a 'ready-made'.

But do I really blame girls wu go out for d rich ones wv d claim dat d ones u suffer wv might not appreciate it ones they bcome rich?? It is when they bcom rich that they remember they can marry other women. yh! girls say ds! so I hope some guys av somthn to say about it.

c.social strata- I dont think I have a preference as regards ds but I av d following to say.

It isnt such a big problem marrying from a higher one than you as a girl. The problem is of a girl marrying from a lower one. complexes can set in at some point with the guy regarding her attitude as a consequence of her background. Imagine that she goes to a family function. Her greetings(mayb not bending enough) might make them see her as being pompous.

I also av known of a very rich guy who wldnt marry from the upper class. He thinks such girls wont give him his due respect and might av her father's support if they have issues.  

d. family heritage/ nobility -some names ring a bell. Yar'adua for example or Dangote or an Obasanjo. If the family av bn known for good. Mayb philantropy,, or somthn dat has to do wv d deen. Possibly, dat all d ten yr olds are haafiz, I bet, it is going to matter to me. If i meet a guy's mother nd she's d one who cant say two words without a curse, I bet I don run be dat.

give a critical appraisal of ds nd am gonna b appreciatn u!

smih

mdsocks:
I based things on principles before, and i guess it caused me many "mishaps" in the past,

But I have reduced my "looking out for" list to just two things.

1. Religious and
2. Compatibility, Compatibility might entail lot of things,

But am not too keen on having everything, am ready to make some concessions but not on some key things like education, I guess you dont expect me to leave the rearing of my kids to someone illiterate.

dats somthn really.

dat mishap must av bn somthn ooo. nyways, its prolly 4 d best

mdsocks:
Ok o, am learning a lot from you guyz!!!


Just keep them coming!!!,

Salam.

wa alaykum salam. How about helping us learn from you too

maclatunji:
I mean that the lady must have demonstrable potential at least in terms of her level of education (she must have or be having some tertiary education), the job or profession she wants to do is up to her (but I like people with vision and drive to be successful), must come from a honourable family (this has nothing to do with money or economic status; there are many self-respecting hardworking people who are poor). As for family heritage, if the girl has a good personality and her family reflects some of that I think we can compromise even if they would be classified as 'vassals' or low-class.

now, dats specific. . .