₦airaland Forum

Desyner:
? ? Expatiate please.

No, thanks.

Going back and forth with disgusting liars is not on the table today.

Obi1kenobi:
Aregbesola is a 7-year governor. He would need to have been terrible not to have commissioned more projects than most by this time in his tenure.

The only problem with your unintelligent rubbish is the fact that Aregbeshola commissioned more projects in his 7 years than the whole of SE (Since 1999) combined.

If you really are bold enough, let us compare Aregeshola's 7 years with 18 years of SE governors combined?

That's 7 years, 1 governor against 18 years, 5 governors.

Unfortunately for you, I'm 1000000% sure you won't accept the challenge, it's going to be dancing around and coming up with mentally lazy and unintelligent excuses and dodging.

Basically, that was a very silly and puerile rubbish on your part.

[s]And please, quit the BS about the MASSIVE 10% IGR increase. There's nothing massive about it. Infact, my own underperforming state, Anambra expanded its IGR from 7.6 billion in 2012 to 14.8 billion in 2015. Almost double. For whatever reason, no figures were published last year. Between the same 2012 to 2015, Osun's rose from 5.0 billion to 8.1 billion. Then rose to 8.8 billion last year. It's also worthy of note that it dropped from 8.7 billion in 2014 to the 8.1 billion figure in 2015. That means it basically saw little growth between 2014 and 2016.[/s]

Another unintelligent argument and doublespeak.

You ipobs love to talk about Osun's debt and how it's killing Osun state, but the same Osun state is not only still waxing strong, it's still commissioning projects and a breakneck speed with many major projects ongoing, and to top it off, the economy is growing and IGR grew bt whooping 10%

Now, your own Anambra village with your shallow and pointless growth is basically handicapped and the only rubbish they've been able to do so far is the death trap and substandard rubbish in the pictures below.


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Village Class project in Anambra village..


This is the best project built by the best useless, incompetent and visionless village leader in the SE.

When was the last time your worthless anambra commissioned anything meaningful?



[s]And my village is certainly not debt-ridden, worthless or unproductive. And Osun is easily more of a village than Anambra in every ramification. I have a lot of criticism for Obiano for a lack of vision, but he would comfortably rank in the top 10 of governors currently. With ease even with the mediocrity.
Next time you want to engage in childish bragging, you'll be far more effective sticking to Lagos and Ogun. Then you might actually have a point of substance rather than shoving an insolvent state down our throats as a model of development.[/s]


Your village have debts? PERIOD. They also collect taxes and allocations with nothing to show so you really need to worry more about your villages.

A 10% rise in IGR doesn't mean a 10% economic growth. It simply means a growth in the revenue streams of the government.

And how do you obtain growth via expanded revenue stream without growth or expansion in the economy?

Do you do magic or abracadabra to expand your revenue stream or expand your economy first to expand your revenue stream and source of income?

I really hope you are not the smartest ipob in your village because if you really are, then they have a huge and domming problem.


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Maybe Apple, Microsoft, Google etc have launched industries there. Maybe its regulatory agencies, transport and waste management agencies etc are making more money and taxing residents more. Maybe more agberos have been mobilized to extort transporters, traders etc. But it has diddly-squat to do with economic growth. Maybe Osun's economy has grown, but IGR figures reveal nothing about economic growth.

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Maybe, maybe maybe maybe maybe.

Typical meaningless, ignorant and unintelligent ipob rubbish.

You losers are always on NL crying over Osun state, screaming and yelling that Osun state is dead, Osun state is doomed, debt is killing Osu state, but confronted with massive commissioned infrastructures and even a stronger and improved economy, the losers are now saying maybe this, maybe that..

Suffer head ipobs..

Desyner:
Anyone who tells you the truth is an IPOB. Ride on mr man.

Ogeni ipob, see wetin guilty conscience do you

totit:
But why do you fellas reason and think alike for crying out loud?

Aright, let's see, could you refer me or remind me of the said " Facts" like you put it?

This is just damn annoying mehnnn

Me sef won see facts.

scholes0:
And then all of them will come and like the mumu post of their fellow muumus

Makes me wonder how people with origins east of the Niger river reason.

Because they all have the same hate, bitterness, anger and bitterness thing in common.

It's all about the societal and communal traits they were raised with.

scholes0:
So according to the list that means Yobe state is Better than Imo state na, while Kano has a better stabdard of living than anambra. Abi?

Many infants on this NL who jump on topics without having any knowledge of what thay are commenting about.

Illiterates everywhere claiming to have sense.

That's ignorant and unintelligent ipobs for you..

Their logic is always upside down and illiterate logic..

Obi1kenobi:
Ahhh.....our favourite rabid cretin is here again with the trademark foaming drool on his mouth. Having a civil, cool-headed argument like normal humans doesn't seem a favourite hobby of yours. If you're going to keep throwing around words like "illiterate" around all the time to mollify your intellectual insecurity, you might not wish to make basic illiterate errors like equating IGR growth with economic growth. Apart from the fact Osun's IGR is hardly impressive, I can absolutely bet anything the Osun's debt has expanded far higher than any IGR growth recorded under Aregbesola. Your optimism doesn't square with any economic reality. To claim that the most insolvent state in the country has to basically bankrupt itself (and its public workers) for what has been at best marginal gains is some incredibly twisted understanding of economics. And I say this even as a novice whose last encounter with the subject was in secondary school.

Sadly for you and your usual ipob related bad bele, evil wishing and desire to die over Osun state instead of your worthless, debt-ridden and unproductive villages with nothing to show, Osun state is still commissioning projects left and right, they commissioned more projects than any other state in Nigeria including Lagos state and Osun state's IGR grew by massive 10%.

Please tell us about the economic growth in your own debt-ridden and projects-less villages? I'm 100% sure you can not tell us anything.

No offence, but you're no authority on the economic prospects of Osun. Spewing hyper-optimistic crap from your arse doesn't make it reality.

Osun State recorded a 10% increase in her Internally Generated Revenue, IGR in 2016,

https://www.vanguardngr.com/2017/05/osun-records-increased-igr-in-2016-as-lagos-emerge-top-earner-again/


Oga ignorant ipob, the economic data did not come from me, it came from the NBS.

common sense should tell you that the borrowed money is circulating within the economy, it's in the hands of bricklayers, carpenters, painters, contractors, electricians, food vendors, lawyers, accountants and so on hence the growth in the economy and the proof is right there in the 10^ growth.

See ya life.

Obi1kenobi:
This whole new Osun thing is the latest craze on Nairaland, sha. Aregbesola might be one of Nigeria's best performing governor in terms of his infrastructural strides (at least, relative to the revenue of Osun), but it's come at a painful cost and it doesn't look like the potential consequences of his fiscal irresponsibility has fully registered to his cheerleaders. The legacy of the debt he has saddled Osun with will have its time of reckoning. Osun has a small IGR of just over N8billion and one of the smallest FG allocations with just over N31 billion: yet owes over N165billion in debts and owes salaries.

It's all well an good spending N1.3billion on Ilesa Goverment High School. I'm sure the 3,000 students that will enroll there will enjoy the first class facilities (hopefully, they don't run it down to decay, but this is Naija and that is doubtful), but you have to wonder if the tens of thousands of civil servants owed their salaries (or seen it cut in half) wouldn't prefer to be paid and you have to wonder what the incoming governors who would inherit this debt legacy would think about their predecessor.

This is what the ignorant ipobs don't understand because of their collective illiteracy, ignorance and blind mentality.

To grow your economy and develop your state and better your people with little or no resources, do you fold your hands and do nothing like the incompetent and lazy governors in their villages are doing? No, you borrow to spend on infrastructures which in turn stimulate your economy.

Yes, temporarily, the effects of the debts will show, but in the long run, the positive effects of your intervention will in turn yield positive results and the NBS data revealed the same positive results.

Osun state's economy grew by massive 10%

Osun State recorded a 10% increase in her Internally Generated Revenue, IGR in 2016,

https://www.vanguardngr.com/2017/05/osun-records-increased-igr-in-2016-as-lagos-emerge-top-earner-again/

With this kind of growth and return on investment (ROI), I see them wiping off their debt in little or no time. The sky is the limit for them.

Basically, you have to spend money to make money.

For now, Osun state commissioned more projects than any other state in Nigeria last year and so far this year too, even more than Lagos state with all their IGR in Lagos state.

Apart from the Metro rail project in Lagos state, Osun state has more ongoing major projects on the ground and they are all world class standard including even what is probably going to be the best airport in NIGERIA.



Oga ipob, 4 out of your 5 states collected salary bailout and they collectively own N257 billion and you can not show me 1 single thing they did with that money or even tell us the last time they commissioned anything, not in years.

Aregbe borrowed but we can see what e did with his debt and he is up to date with salaries, but your states collectively owe N257 billion with ZERO to show for it, nothong on the ground.

So, who should you be more concerned about? Aregbe or your poor, debt ridden and ZERO projects states that also collected salary bailouts?

Your ipob states of course.

Harrynight:
If not for Lagos
Ogun state wont b where they are

Ogun state is where it is today not only because of Lagos state but also because state leaders in Ogun state are always relentless when it comes to business and investments.

There yearly economic summits are always well attended by business concerns from all over the world and apart from Lagos state, nearly all the investments entering Nigeria ends up in Ogun state.

Nothing is given to you free because you have something next door to you, you still have to get out there to sell yourself and convince business to invest in your state because you offer a better business environment and business-friendly investments policies and programs.


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You and your people have to run out of your unproductive and jobless villages to places like Ogun state for survival because your own leaders are visionless and incompetent to do what the leaders in Ogun state are doing to attract investments, they are still waiting for the FG to do everything for them.


Instead of trolling around the internet hating everybody and spewing nonsnse, challenge your own useless leaders to go to work and do something to leave for your future generations or end up migrating from your unproductive states to Ogun and other places in the SW for survival just like the generations before them did.

totit:
The rate at which you ibos rape and abuse the word " dominate ' can be quite amusing and funny at the same time.

I ask you a simple, straight question you went about configuring your personal, oral stats with no basis nor facts? What a delusional fellow you are. Well, I ain't surprise this is how you people go about dominating online only to be confronted with facts, figures but go about configuring yours. Damn annoying. Is buying and selling and doing petty trade you measurement or basis for domination.

Dominiate in what aspect, exactly, with facts? Maybe you meant, in poverty because in the whole of South SE Dominate the table.

Smh.

Definition of marginalize

marginalized; marginalizing

transitive verb

to relegate (see relegate 2) to an unimportant or powerless position within a society or group

When they feel like beating their porous, empty and shallow chest to mask their pain and sorrow, they use the term DOMINATE, but when it's time to face their real and day to day realities, they use the term MARGINALIZED.

Earthquake1:
Fixed, Igbo people will always dominate wherever they go.

...but they are the only jokers in Nigeria crying and wailing marginalization, begging everybody for development, begging everybody for airport, bridge, seaport and so on.


If you really are so great and powerful, then why are you the development and economic victims always shouting marginalization.

Why are the people you dominate not shouting marginalization, but it's you the dominator shouting marginalization?

Even to make a living, you have to leave your village to survive at the mercy of the people you dominate.

You see how dumb, senseless and upside down your meaningless rubbish sounds?


Seriously, you ipobs are a great source of comedy and entertainment for me.

progress69:
There is nothing about deceit there...which of what u quoted is a lie....
The gimmicks of hiding under senseless memes all in the name of likes is the trademark of clowns like u, nothing intelligent to offer, just like ur mate i quoted with u. Quote me next time when u have something more sensible to say, then we can have a decent argument.

Don't worry about these ignorant and unintelligent ipobs, they can not formulate or engage in any sensible, intelligent debate or reasoning beyond their main preoccupation like anti Nigerian sentiments, peddling hatred, bigotry, bitterness and anti social behavior.

progress69:
The economy was already bastardised before APC came to power.

1. Several governors were owing salaries as at 2015
2. FG borrowed to pay Feb/Mar 2015 salaries.
3. Oil marketters were owed billions, led to a fuel scarcity that paralyzed Nigeria, even banks were closing before time, telecoms operators were sending texts about expected distruptions (never in Nigeria have this happenned)
4. Road contractors were being owed billions of $ hence they vacated all roads.
5. Even your all mighty Iweala was singing like a kanery bird how the country was in trouble with the oil price crashing (oil was still above $70/barrel)

U need more evidence.....?

This government have tried in bailing out state governments and have been paying federal workers. Oil price went to all time low of $28/barrel. (Below production price)
Terrorists were blowing up pipelines [u guys were glad]

Cry all u want, sane minds knows that, this government may not have met expectations, but we are greatful the past government never continued rulling. One will wonder what all the oil money garnered for 5 years plus was used for.

Shame!

excellent post.

As usual, bad bele and hate peddling ipobs are mad.

bayulll011:
I don't argue with unfortunate paid assslicker.

Is either u a political agbero or u re just plainly silly to observe that lagos has gone from where fashola left it to worst state.

Well I don't blame u,u lots deserves all the unfortunates leaders that rule u pple

Vry true.

Ambode is a disaster. Obviously, he can not fill Fashola's big shoes hence things getting worse across the board.

PointB:
This has nothing to do with governance of Lagos State, let alone APC or PDP - different sides of same coin!
The fact stated is that government (successive FG) have failed to develop other parts of the country in favour of Lagos? Could be deliberate or as a result of scheming by South West politicians with naive connivance of their counterpart from other regions.

If Onitsha Seaport is functional, gazetted, and supported won't the pressure on Lagos Ports, roads and city reduce? If Enugu International Airport is given necessary support, won't that also reduce the influx of people to Lagos.

If government fail to make this happen, how can they reduce the pressure on Lagos? At this rate how won't Lagos continue to grow, and eventually by the seams like a supernova?

Yorubas should support and actively encourage the citing of economic resources and hubs in other cities (especially SE), that's the only to enjoy your Lagos. Until that is done, the scramble for Lagos will continue to it's detriment. It's a no-brainer.

No going back on Gelegele Seaport project – Edo Govt
“There is sufficient economic justification for the Gelegele port and we will raise funds from the private sector to develop the facility. We do not believe that the federal government will stop or discourage Edo State from building a Port that is economically viable,” he added.

Obaseki said the seaport is on course as his administration is talking to consultants who are currently working on the designs and conducting studies on water depth, the width of the river and the amount of dredging needed. He assured Edo people that a lot is being done to make the project a reality within the shortest and realistic time possible.

https://www.vanguardngr.com/2017/10/no-going-back-gelegele-seaport-project-edo-govt/

Ordinary Edo state is gearing up to build their own Seaport no matter what, even daring the FG to stop them while you ipobs are still in a state of apathy, still nursing dependency syndrome, still begging and waiting for the FG to do everything for you.

It's like you people are little children that must be spoon fed food forever.

Many states are building their own bridges, their own airports, their own seaports and so on, but trust the SE to Sidon look and keep begging and making it other people's responsibility to determine their destiny and economic future.

It is sad enough that you have leaders without spine, leaders without vision and leaders without foresight who for so many decades have abdicated their responsibilities and perfected the art of pointing fingers and shouting marginalization instead of doing their job, but it's even very saddening that you the youths have perfectly copied the same doomed traits, you are making the same mistake your forefathers made.

When are your leaders going to start thinking like the people in Edo, or the people in Dutse with their own new international airport or Osun state building their own airport, Lagos building their own bridge in less than 4 years while your leaders keep begging and begging for 2nd NB, a bridge that they themselves can build in no time.

Have you people reached some kind of conclusion that you are never going to be in charge of your own economic future unless the FG spoon feeds you everything you really can do yourselves?


This is very disheartening.

https://www.vanguardngr.com/2017/11/mko-abiola-international-airport-osun-govt-carpets-opposition-for-planning-to-derail-project/
Telling the truth about this fraudulent project is what they don't want to hear.

And if I ask this ignorant person here why the project is fraudulent, he won't be able to offer anything sensible or intelligent.


Nigeria is really saddled with a lot of mentally abused youths.

wirinet:
I will bookmark this page to remind you in 8 months. [s]Hope you will not be giving excuses as usual.[/s]

What you should have done instead of the essay, needless assumptions, mischaracterizations, and dancing before dinner.

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wirinet:
Even though we all hate IPOB and its modus operandi, you cannot shout IPOB as excuse and justification for suspicious and fraudulent projects.


You that is wise and thoughtful should have come down from your high horse and educated us silly and thoughtless ones on the details of the project. What is going to be the contributions of the Osun state government, what is the equity contributions of AWOL? Where is the memorandum and article of association of the whole project, and what is the contributions of the Turkish government, if any. Also what is the role of the Nigerian federal government as no state can enter into any agreement with a state government without the involvement of the FG.

Yes it is possible for a reputable foreign private firm like blue ray to give aregbe the funding money in his pocket if the project is skewed heavily in their favour. Ie, the actual cost of the project can be N10 billion, but concessioned at N60 billion. The company could put 5 billions into aregbe's pocket for the humongous expected benefits. Beside, aregbe could allocate lands worth billions to the foreign firm as part of Osun state's contribution to the project as tinubu did to Lekki concession company in the lekki express way concession.


As I asked above, please furnish us with the details of the Turkish government's involvement.



People have rights to ask questions, when issues are not clear, especially issues that has to do with public finances and obligations



You hero aregbe has been as incompetent, if not more incompetent than almost all other governors, all his previous projects had ended up as abysmal failures, you cannot blame people of being suspicious of this one. This is a governor that is owing civil servants over 6 months salary.
Airport should not even be a priority now, when the roads are in abysmally poor state, same with other public infrastructure. What percentage of the population are expected to use the airport as compared with road and road transportation infrastructure. What is the profitability of an airport in Osun, even when most airports in the western world except the major ones, are finding it difficult posting profits.
This is a classic white elephant project.

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Very redundant, speculative, irrelevant and meaningless.


Save your essay and repost in 8 months time if we don't have the best or any airport in Osun state.

Funny how these villagers are the internet debt police, boring us every day about other people and their debt, who is paying or not paying salary in other regions when in fact they own massively, they have nothing to show for their debts and 4 out of 5 of their poor states collected salary bailouts.


How sad...

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Sprumbabafather:
The joke is on you. A visit to south east with shock you to your bone marrows. We praise our governors for being prudent with little allocation. Only south east state doing badly is Imo under APC.

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Your rubbish means nothing and the fact that you are spewing irrelevant garbage instead of showings us what your villages did with N250 billion or dispute and justify the fact that they own so much says a lot about you people.

Sprumbabafather:
What has you own governors done with over 2 trillion Naira debt? Painting brown on all roofs?

You mean your worthless, incompetent and beg beg governors did not do anything with their N257 billion debt because the SW did not do anything with theirs too?

You people come up with the dumbest comments and excuses just because you are too mentally lazy to formulate sane and rational opinions.

ofai:
Last time we checked, SE states topped the WAEC list. So pls don't blame me for your miseducation

Also, remove the log on your eye before removing the speck in another persons eye. Typical coward.

You mean your fake SE WAEC assertion is the reason why you lack the capacity and intelligence to follow simple discussion and topic without inserting irrelevant and ignorant comments that have nothing to do with the topic?


WAEC though you that also?

stanluiz:
Tell the fg to put an international airport and seaport in the east and ss and the population of Lagos will reduce. Many people trooping to Lagos to do their business was because of lack of federal present in their region.

There an international airport in the SE and you don't have any sea so you can not have any sea port.

Btw, other state governors are building their own airports and sea ports so what is wrong with your own incompetent and lazy governors with no vision and foresight building their own too instead of crying and begging the FG for everything?

Or the noise about the smart, the richest and the most industrious SE are just lies and rubbish?


Funny.

fellowman:
right now people are dying in Kwarra state


http://saharareporters.com/2017/11/03/unpaid-salaries-suicide-rampart-among-kwara-civil-servants-group-says

You mean the SE owe a quarter of a trillion Naira because they owe salary in Kwara?


Is it by force for you people to never make any sense?