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Christianity EtcRe: Do Pastors Fall Sick? by Devonian(m): 6:26pm On Mar 11, 2010
Another silly thread. Are pastors not humans? What leads you to ask this type of question? Are you a minor or an adult with a 12 year old brain? Did you do biology in school at all? Wonders shall never end on NL.
Christianity EtcRe: Natural Disaster Will Soon Hit Nigeria - Adeboye by Devonian(m): 6:19pm On Mar 11, 2010
The most silly thread on NL so far. Developped nations would identify which natural disaster is about to hit and take practical, sensible, pragmatic steps to ameliorate, if not eliminate, its impacts. In Nigeria people resort to prayers. Prayer without work = dead. Keep praying and fold your arms and await deaths.
CelebritiesRe: Double Wahala: Femi Kuti Impregnates Two More Ladies by Devonian(m): 5:53pm On Mar 11, 2010
Please leave Femi Kuti alone until he's broken his dad's (Fela's) record.
TravelRe: How 2 Obtain Scholarship In Uk? by Devonian(m): 2:58pm On Mar 11, 2010
Can you state which field you're in, and intending to do your postgraduate studies? Also, what's the class of your undergrad degree? There are loads of scholarships out there, answers to these two important questions helps in narrowing you down to where you should be looking. All the best, and I hope this helps.
TravelRe: Poverty_in Britain! Nigerian_single_mother_of_4 by Devonian(m): 7:30pm On Mar 10, 2010
Over the last 10 years, I’ve personally encountered Nigerians here in the UK who had done unimaginable things under the sun to seek help from churches and charities. They got free accommodation, free food vouchers, clothing materials, and were helped by British citizens including MPs—who were moved by the horrific circumstances in which these Nigerians knowingly put themselves—to secure papers to remain in the UK.

AS FAR AS I’M CONCERNED THIS IS A SCAM

Ade claims, “it was a huge shock because it meant I was here illegally.” How can this be a huge shock to Ade? Did she fill out the application form which was subsequently submitted to the home office? Did she get any UKBA acknowledgement letter confirming receipt of her application? If she didn’t what effort did she make to contact UKBA to make enquiries? Was she fully involved in the process of bringing her mum and children over here from Nigeria, and how did they (Ade and her husband) go about it? Was she fully involved (i.e. attend a social service interview) in the process of obtaining her own National Insurance (NI) card and number which, in addition to the visa stamped on her passport, she would need to gain an employment? Did she not personally provide her employer with her NI Card and passport carrying her visa stamp? What I‘m saying, in essence, is that Ade must have known her immigration status before the matter degenerated to the point where she and her 4 children and her 79 year old mother had to be sleeping in the saloon. She must have known that she’s living and working illegally in the UK before her husband deserted her. To this end what she should have done is:

1) Send her mum back to Nigeria
2) Leave her first two kids with her Uncle rather than burden her uncle’s family home with 6 people (half a football team)
3) Secure work in the black market to maintain herself and the two younger kids—she (presumably) already knew she was here, living and working, illegally
4) Seek help from religious and nonreligious organisations. Nigerian churches, mosques, and organisations can, sometimes, be very helpful in helping people in Ade’s situation.
5) Re-marry to someone who’s legally here and who’s prepared to marry her in spite of her baggage. Through this, she can legalise her stay in the UK. Or remain as illegal. If lucky enough not to encounter UKBA until she's spent 14 years, apply for ILR on the basis of Long Residence.
Jobs/VacanciesRe: Hnd Holder Vs 3rd Class Bsc Holder, Who Has More Advantage To Secure A Job? by Devonian(m): 6:57pm On Mar 03, 2010
ishmael:
HND in Nigeria is quite different from HND in the UK, so also is Nigerian Bsc different from Uk Bsc. HND in in Nigeria is a 2-year program. You can be admitted into it only if you have a 2-year ND pls 1 year Industrial training. A Bsc in Nigeria is a 4-year program. You are admitted into it with O' levels credits in GCE or you spend 3 years if you are admitted with A'levels. whereas in the UK it is 3 years you spend to get a Bsc.
@ ishmael:

Thanks for stating the obvious. It leaves me wondering whether or not you read and understood my post. let me clarify myself using an analogy: Chioma and Ngozi both completed their SSCE at Queen's College, Yaba, Lagos. They both earned A in 8 Arts Social Science papers including English and Maths, hoping to earn HND in Mass Communications. With the same result, Chioma applied to a Nigerian Polytechnic, She'll spend two years doing her ND, 1 year doing IT and another two years to gain her HND. With the same result, Ngozi appied to Kensington and Chelsea College, London, she'll spend 2 years gaining her HND. To enter the employment world or proceed on further studies, both Chioma and Ngozi would be regarded as HND holders: no more no less. The reality is Ngozi would save 3 years (which Chioma is wasting doing her IT and HND).
RomanceWonders Shall Never Cease by Devonian(op): 6:30pm On Mar 03, 2010
RomanceRe: Pls Advise,should I Marry This Yoruba Guy? by Devonian(m): 4:58pm On Mar 03, 2010
kobikwelu:
pity had a personal experience. my sis had a yoruba  guy that was proposing to her. but her parents flately disagreed in terms of that peeps from his extraction in nigeria (yorubas)

So your sister's parents aren't your parents? Interesting!

kobikwelu link=topic=407314.msg5620538#msg5620538 date=1267626931:
(yorubas) are  prone polygammy (sic)

Bad English which utterly betrays your alleged UofT connection.


[quote author=kobikwelu link=topic=407314.msg5620538#msg5620538 date=1267626931]pity,, (yorubas) are  prone polygammy, fetish and irresponsible.

On Yoruba being prone to polygamy
[/quote]Please be informed that from pre-historic times, Polygamy was commonly practised among the Igbo people of Nigeria. It had both an important practical function in cementing alliances in many villages and economic functions of increasing a man’s available labour. It was also a social status symbol. Basden (1965:97) noted that this institution is inseparably bound up with the family and the social life of the Igbo, and without exception, touches the lives of every man and woman in the country. In his view, polygamy is favoured and fostered equally by men and women. In some respects the latter are the chief supporters of the system. The ambition of every Igbo man he noted was to become a polygamist, and he adds to the number of his wives as circumstances permit. They are an indication of social standing and a signs of affluence. In any case, they are counted as sound economic and social investment.

kobikwelu:
On being fetish and irresponsible
What goes on in your Okija shrine, Mass of Evil Massacre? (http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=Okija+shrine&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=QIOOS_fNNdaSjAfYzq2sCw&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=5&ved=0CB0QsAQwBA), and what about the Otokoto Saga which never ends, even as late as 2009 (http://www.vanguardngr.com/2009/08/19/otokoto-again-in-imo-girl-18-beheaded-for-rituals/) You need to wake up to reality, ploygamy, fetishism and being irresponsible is not the hallmark of any specific ethnicity and nationality. It's identifiable amongst peoples of all nations. IT'S HIGH TIME WE STOPPED THIS TRIBAL STUPIDITY ON NAIRALAND
RomanceRe: Pls Advise,should I Marry This Yoruba Guy? by Devonian(m): 4:57pm On Mar 03, 2010
Lynakenz:
Am an ibo girl from imo state,i have been dating this yoruba guy 4 a yr nw and we're in love,he just proposed marriage and i accepted,i have met his family and they welcomed me,he has even acceptd 2 convert 2my church,  Catholic. My family has totaly rejected him with reasons such as,  Tribe,language and culture barrier, tendency of polygamy and other factors that could come in d marriage,pls i need your sincere advise. At the moment i have another suitor from my state. Am confused.
Whilst it might be difficult for your parents to accept that you're marrying a man from another culture, you need to educate them and ask them to wake up to reality. This is 21st Century: the age of globalisation and multiculturalism. As such, you can, on balance, marry any man of your choice irrespective of his ethnicity, nationality and skin colour.
Christianity EtcRe: Is It Permissible To Adapt Secular Music For Worship?? by Devonian(m): 4:47pm On Feb 27, 2010
Oh Boy, you need first of all, to define what is sacred and what is secular and determine whether, strictly speaking, there are clear boundaries. The problem of sacred-secular distinctions is the theme of an academic conference which recently brought together, at the British Academy London, religious studies scholars from across Europe, Canada and America (See http://66.102.9.132/search?q=cache:EBxxySg4tKEJ:api.ning.com/files/XMK0uZ5wHiBAxaZP7Hg92IGtuVcAkPjS2G1Qi6C-l98dLe4JaW0eeEHftRJW7dv6fsXok*g9pkji1G18PQKVju76tE3B2Z*T/Religiou%253Ca%2520href%3D+sacred-secular+distinctions+conference+British+Academy+London&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&client=firefox-a).

To your question: I ACTUALLY WROTE A THESIS ON THIS YEARS AGO. WHAT YOU DESCRIBED IS TECHNICALLY KNOWN AS contrafacta. Any good students of hymnology or church music would confirm that many hymntunes deployed in Christian worship today had "secular" origins. For example, following Martin Luther’s reformation (which began on 31 October 1517), church music not only began to employ native or indigenous languages, but also adopted or borrowed popular, folk and secular tunes located in the church’s socio-cultural milieu. This trend continued through to the 18th century. Thus, many of the hymn-poems written by Charles Wesley adopted folk-tunes as hymn-tunes and these have over the many centuries become traditional hymns sang by Christians across the world. It also permeated the Christain church expansionism of the 19th century, and stabilisation in the 20th century, even in the Nigerian environment. I'll cite two examples from the Yoruba sacred music repertoire. First, the song "EPO N BE EWA N BE O" traditionally sung in the context of ritual performance for twin-children, and hence its fetish origin, was adopted by the Rev. J J Ransome Kuti who fixed the tune to the hymn "E T'OLORUN LAWA O SE O." This has been sung in Nigerian Christian churches, particularly amongst the Yorubas, for over a century now. Second, the popular Christian song "O SE O JESU A O MA YIN O" whose text was written by Fr Ilesanmi, a Roman Catholic priest who used to be (and possibly still is) a professor at the University of Ife (now OAU) derives from Boney M's (1978) "Brown girl in the ring"

Brown girl in the ring
Tra la la la la
There's a brown girl in the ring
Tra la la la la la
Brown girl in the ring
Tra la la la la
She looks like a sugar in a plum
Plum plum

Actually, and before I conclude, if you sing the most popular Christmas carol on this planet earth: Hark! The herald angels sing. this is the most classic example of Charles Wesley’s fusion of secular tunes to sacred hymn-texts. What Charles Wesley did was to compose the text and then adopted the melody of a chorus from a secular composition known as Bartholdy, by F. Mendelssohn (1809-47). Wesley chose the melody of this chorus as the tune for one of the most popular Christmas carols – Hark! The herald angels sing.

In view of these and several examples which one can drawn upon from my knowledge of hymnology/church music, my own thinking is that whatever could be given a new label with the power of the gospel could also serve to propagate the GOOD NEWS, and make it drive even deeper into men’s hearts and expand throughout God's Universe.
Christianity EtcRe: Kalejaiye Says Pastor Adeboye Will Soon Acquire Four More Private Jets! by Devonian(m): 3:50pm On Feb 27, 2010
GODSON2009:
in case you dont know salvation is a personal and individual race so as long as erastus or any pastor in redeemed knows the truth and they dont do it,its left with them and GOD
What an absolute display of IGNORANCE! Salvation is personal and pastors presumably knowing the truth should be left alone with God, even whilst continuing to perpetuate evil. What logic, if any, does this display? This is precisely why Nigeria will never ever improve for the better if this attitude persists. Where is the place of morality? If pastors can do whatever they like (such as embezzle money), what moral authority do they have to preach morality to others. Your response can be logically implied to other spheres of life, and one may infer that it's OK for pastors to be sleeping around with women (married and unmarried) and even men, and "as long as they know the truth and they dont do it,its left with them and GOD" This is nothing but a stupid and senseless thought. Wake up to reality, religion isn't stupidity. It isn't about condonning evil deeds. The reality is that Mr Adeboye should have sacked Akingbola, a thief, parading himself as a pastor.
PoliticsWhat's The Benefit Of River Niger Dreging For All Nigerians? by Devonian(op): 3:24pm On Feb 27, 2010
Can anyone explain the benefit of this River Niger dredging for Nigeria's economy. I thought this is a scheme which exclusively seeks to ensure that if Nigeria ever brakes up, the dredging of River Niger would enable Northerners to have a seaport, and hence the only benefit, not for the whole country but for the benefits and advantage of the Northerners. So, why use Nigeria's money to facilitate that? In any case, people don't learn from history. During the WWII, the Belgian Seaport at Antwerp was incapacitated and seriously decimated due to the fact that its access point in Amsterdam was blocked. So, even if this project goes ahead, and if and when Nigeria brakes up--which someday it would necessarily have to--the access point MUST be blocked, preventing any flow of marine traffic to the North. We'll wait and see.
PoliticsRe: River Niger Project Puts Jonathan Into Trouble by Devonian(m): 3:19pm On Feb 27, 2010
Can anyone explain the benefit of this River Niger dredging for Nigeria's economy. I thought this is a scheme which exclusively seeks to ensure that if Nigeria ever brakes up, the dredging of River Niger would enable Northerners to have a seaport, and hence the only benefit, not for the whole country but for the benefits and advantage of the Northerners. So, why use Nigeria's money to facilitate that? In any case, people don't learn from history. During the WWII, the Belgian Seaport at Antwerp was incapacitated and seriously decimated due to the fact that its access point in Amsterdam was blocked. So, even if this project goes ahead, and if and when Nigeria brakes up--which someday it would necessarily have to--the access point MUST be blocked, preventing any flow of marine traffic to the North. We'll wait and see.
PoliticsRe: God will Never Forgive these Robbers ! by Devonian(m): 11:56am On Feb 26, 2010
What makes you think that the Security Operatives were themselves not directly responsible for this. A number of armed robbery operations are being carried out by police and military personnel themselves.
PoliticsRe: 'you Cannot Run In 2011' Obasanjo Tells Jonathan by Devonian(m): 10:46am On Feb 24, 2010
CGKing:
While we r here asking God to do something, God is waiting for us to act. Nothing's gonna happen until we act.
Well said CGKing: GOD HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS. THAT'S WHY NIGERIA KEEPS DEGENERATING, RELIGION WHICH IS A PHENOMENON THAT CANNOT BE SUBJECTED TO CRITICAL RATIONALITY HAS TAKEN OVER REASON, RATIONALITY, LOGIC AND SCIENTIFIC ADVANCEMENT. IT'S A STATE THAT'S BECOME IRRETRIEVABLY DOOMED.
Jobs/VacanciesRe: Hnd Holder Vs 3rd Class Bsc Holder, Who Has More Advantage To Secure A Job? by Devonian(m): 9:52am On Feb 24, 2010
maxweber:
It is high time Nigeria put a stop to this paper qualification.That is why everybody is struggling to go to school.Now come to think of it, do you know that the two -two years for OND and HND makes Polytechnics more stressful?But Uni guys have some years to make up so if u have 3rd class them suppose flog dat person.How on earth person go compare 3rd class with the whole of HND.You can only compare 3rd class with 'HND Pass' ONLY.But my people POLYTECHNICS and UNIS has their objectives.For the real thing guys na POLY people get am( I mean people wey POLY go read).On-the-training POLY people dey perform best.Their 16 months IT is not a joke if one really did it in his or her field of study.
Are you aware that with the same SSCE results which qualified you to enrol on a 2-Year OND programme in Nigeria, you will enrol directly on a 2-Year HND programme in the UK, and it will take you only 2 years to gain your HND without necessarily spending 2 years studying for OND and another one year doing IT. The reality is this: red bricks universities in the UK wouldn’t accept HND, on its own merit, as equivalent of BSc. This is because 2 years studies after GCSE gets you HND if you go vocational route or GCE Advanced Level if you go down the academic route. Typically, after your A Level you spend 3 further years to get your BA/BSc, longer for courses in Engineering, Dentistry, Architecture, Medicine, etc.  Normally, HND holders enrol on top-up courses in order to gain their BA/BSc. Surely, if HND equals BA/BSc, there wouldn’t be any need to go on top-up courses in order to gain bachelor’s degrees. If you're applying to UK, US and CANADIAN universities which says minimum requirement to gain entry unto a PG course is 2.1 BA/BSc, I doubt, you'll ever get in with your HND with Distinction. Besides, BA/BSc First Class can enter PhD programmes, HND with distinction wouldn't be allowed to take such a leap.

The problem with Nigeria is that the British came and instituted systems/structures, half-a-century after, we're still operating the same systems/structures in Nigeria when the British had long dispensed with such systems/structures. GOOD LUCK.
PoliticsRe: More Details: Still In Coma - Sick President Umaru Yar'adua "returns". . . by Devonian(m): 8:24am On Feb 24, 2010
Black_Revo:
Now that he is back so what happens next?
BURY HIM DEAD/ALIVE.
PoliticsRe: Yaradua Leaving Saudi Hospital (pic) <<HOAX>> by Devonian(m): 8:20am On Feb 24, 2010
Shoot2Kill:
^^^Haba this is not Saudi Arabia ,that is my lovely Johannesburg and that is the South African Coat of arms behind Yara Dua.This picture was taken when he visited South Africa.You see how beautiful and mordern their coat of arms looks like unlike our own washed out, old school ugly coat of arms  grin
WELL DONE Shoot2Kill, THE OP IS PLAYING BIAFRAN CHUKWUMERIJE STYLE AND HE'S DOOMED TO FAIL EVEN BEFORE HE STARTS.
PoliticsRe: Yaradua Leaving Saudi Hospital (pic) <<HOAX>> by Devonian(m): 8:17am On Feb 24, 2010
james_ibor:
Umaru Yaradua leaving the King Faisal Specialist Hospital after being discharged by physicians. Thank God he made it finally and the enemies will eventually be put to shame.
CHUKWUMERIJE
PoliticsRe: Yar Adua's Purported "Return": Matters Arising by Devonian(m): 7:54am On Feb 24, 2010
The fact is Yar’Adua assumed office not because the Nigerian population voted him into the Presidency, but because, Olusegun Aremu Obasanjo, the stupid, senseless, idiot, incestuous and shameless old wagon handed power to him, making him accountable to no one. The fact that Yar’Adua left Nigeria, remained incommunicado for 3 months, kept the entire country in absolute darkness about his health conditions meant that he’s morally unfit to lead this country. He has treated each and every Nigerian with ignominy and disrespect. In a civilized society, this would not happen. And, the only way the Lower and Upper Chambers can prove to the rest of the world that Nigeria is indeed an uncivilized, barbaric society is to allow this baboon looking beast, called Yar’Adua, to continue to rule this country. Then Nigeria is perpetually and irrevocably doomed.
Dating And Meet-up ZoneRe: Husband Wanted! Criteria- God Fearing Us Or Uk Citizen by Devonian(m): 6:31am On Feb 24, 2010
SINCE YOU'VE GONE PUBLIC ON THIS, CAN U POST YOUR PICTURE(S) SO NAIRALANDERS CAN SEE YOU FOR WHO YOU ARE?
PoliticsRe: Yar'adua: Sorry For The Muslim North by Devonian(m): 3:54am On Feb 24, 2010
In the absence of any truthful account of Yar'adua's state of health, one can--in the face of conflicting reports on his state of health--maintain that carrying a lame and impotent guy back home to occupy a presidential villa, and rule Nigeria whilst physically and mentally incapacitated is the greatest of all frauds. My humble opinion is that the guy either come out in the open, and attend state functionaries all over the length and bredth of Nigeria to prove that he is fit, or be forced to resign to return to his home to take ffurther care of himself. Or else, Nigerian should split so that the Northerners can continue to have him as their President if they so choose. But, for the rest of us, we'll rather have someone who is fit and sound.

THIS IS A BIG SHAME FOR NIGERIA AND NIGERIANS
PoliticsRe: Yar’adua: Saudi Authorities Deny Ministers Landing Clearance by Devonian(m): 3:46am On Feb 24, 2010
Rebranding Nigeria? The No 1 ctizen and his family is, on the world's stage, making Nigeria a laughing stock. WHAT A SHAME?
PoliticsNigerian President Umaru Yar'adua 'returns Home' -- Bbc World Service by Devonian(op): 3:28am On Feb 24, 2010
Ailing Nigerian President Umaru Yar'Adua may have returned home secretly after three months' medical treatment in Saudi Arabia, reports say.

A plane landed from Jeddah at the presidential wing of Abuja airport in the middle of the night, where an ambulance was waiting on the tarmac.

Earlier this month, Vice President Goodluck Jonathan became acting leader as fears mounted of a power vacuum.

Mr Yar'Adua had been suffering from a heart condition and kidney problems.

Reuters news agency quoted an unnamed government source as saying: "He just landed at Abuja airport on a Saudi plane escorted by the presidential plane. He is on his way to the [presidential] villa now."

Soldiers were reported to be lining the main road from the airport to the city.

A delegation of Nigerian ministers had travelled to Saudi Arabia on Monday for an update on Mr Yar'Adua's health.

They had been expected to report back to a weekly cabinet meeting on Wednesday.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/8533380.stm

Where does this do or die, seat tight reign leave Nigeria--a frigle country led by an ailing President?
Christianity EtcRe: Benny Hinn's Wife Files For Divorce by Devonian(m): 11:36am On Feb 22, 2010
princekevo:
My Guy, before you make such claim as this, can you post a reliable source for your facts? I never heard of this.
Which one have you never heard before? If it’s the theorising on religion, this is 200 Level university stuffs in Religion or Sociology of Religion.

If you were referring to John Wesley’s stuff, Para 2, Line 4 begins a quote from a published text which I referenced in the last 2 lines of the same Para 2. I quote this a second time, providing the reference as appropriate.

“For [John] Wesley's weakness was women. His life was marked by a series of intimacy scandals that went some way to discrediting him both within the Methodist Connexion, as it was properly called, and to the delighted world at large. What usually happened was this. A vulnerable young woman would come to Wesley asking for spiritual guidance. He would lavish attention on her, not to mention a stream of intimate letters. There would be some kissing, hair-patting and, perhaps, more. Or perhaps not: one theory has it that Wesley was impotent. He would then fall ill and the woman in question would nurse him devotedly, perhaps even moving into his house. Just at the point when a proposal of marriage seemed the obvious next step, Wesley would withdraw in a flurry of hurt feelings. Often the woman went on to marry someone else, at which point Wesley would become interested all over again. Quarrels with new husbands were his particular speciality” (Hattersley, Roy. A Brand from the Burning: The Life of John Wesley, Little, Brown: London, 2002, p. 58).

My brother any student of 18th Century Church History, who has completed postgradaute level modules on the Life and Works of the Wesleys wouldn't have any issues with this claim. S/he would have intensively dug into their lives. PhD theses had been written and publsihed on aspects of John and Charles Wesley's lives, too.

And when you say “post a reliable source for your facts.” Are you saying the author and/or the text isn’t reliable. If you’re in doubt, the reality is that when this book hit the shelves, it widely received glowing academic reviews not only in academic journals in theological and religious studies (which are too voluminous to download here), but also in the press, which are listed as follows.

REVIEWS:

PRAISE FOR A BRAND FROM THE BURNING: 'A first class biography, lucid and always interesting. Hattersley seems incapable of writing a dull page' -- Frank McLynn in INDEPENDENT ON SUNDAY 'A lively, forthright biography' Jenny Uglow in SUNDAY TIMES 'A full and fair biography' Kathryn Hughes in NEW STATESMAN;

SPECTATOR, 5 October 2002
"a guide to a fascinating man and episode in the past"

Scotland on Sunday 13 October, 2002
"a detailed, impartial account of the reformer's life, an intellectually and theologically compelling portrait of a riven individual."

The Times
'Splendid . . . The outline of the story is well known, but Hattersley tells it with characteristically opinionated gusto'

Scotsman
'Wesley comes off the page as the driven, passionate, phenomenally hard-working, autocratic – although self-doubting – believer that he was'

Sunday Times
'Lively, forthright biography . . . Hattersley’s achievement is the admirable clarity with which he guides us through the theological labyrinth'

Scotland on Sunday
'A detailed, impartial account of the reformer’s life . . . an intellectually and theologically compelling portrait of a riven individual'

Daily Telegraph, 6 November 2004
'This is a compelling portrait of an elusive, fascinating man eulogised as 'one of the architects of modern England'
Christianity EtcRe: Benny Hinn's Wife Files For Divorce by Devonian(m): 11:03pm On Feb 21, 2010
If we all take cognisance of the fact that all preachers, priests and bishops (or whatever nomenclature we choose to call them) are nothing but fallible human beings, only then can we realistically deal with news like this. For sociologists of religion, religion, amongst other things, is a social valve. It remotely or intimately underpins societal values. In order to perpetuate societal values, religious traditions become tenaciously entrenched by its adherents. No matter how adherents of religions seek to perpetuate their religions and the associated values, men and women, boys and girls, old and young, neophytes and connoisseurs, as fallible human beings are bound, wittingly or unwittingly, to renege on the values inextricably linked to their religious traditions. As such, although religion remains a social valve, like tyre valves in cars, it sometimes fails to hold the air and the tyre flattens out, preventing the car’s mobility.

John Wesley wrote several thousands of hymn poems sung across the Christendom. He was a key figure in the 18th century English Evangelicalism which not only revived the Church of England, but also led to the emergence of the CMS, which spread Anglicanism around the world. More importantly, he was the founder of the Global Methodism. Yet, John Wesley had soft spur for women. The extract culled from a key text on Wesley's life corroborates this as follows. “For [John] Wesley's weakness was women. His life was marked by a series of sex scandals that went some way to discrediting him both within the Methodist Connexion, as it was properly called, and to the delighted world at large. What usually happened was this. A vulnerable young woman would come to Wesley asking for spiritual guidance. He would lavish attention on her, not to mention a stream of intimate letters. There would be some kissing, hair-patting and, perhaps, more. Or perhaps not: one theory has it that Wesley was impotent. He would then fall ill and the woman in question would nurse him devotedly, perhaps even moving into his house. Just at the point when a proposal of marriage seemed the obvious next step, Wesley would withdraw in a flurry of hurt feelings. Often the woman went on to marry someone else, at which point Wesley would become interested all over again. Quarrels with new husbands were his particular speciality” (Hattersley, Roy. A Brand from the Burning: The Life of John Wesley, Little, Brown: London, 2002).
Christianity EtcRe: Benny Hinn's Wife Files For Divorce by Devonian(m): 10:49pm On Feb 21, 2010
Evang. Olu:
John Wesley was a great man of God but his wife was not even born again; up to the extent that after preaching his wife will start saying bad words to the congregation against him. We just have to pray for him that more of God's grace be deposited in his life. Temptations and Persecutions must come. He is a great man of God.
Yes! Not all that glitters are gold. I'll not dispute your assertion, but can you direct me to any text which supports this claim. I'm keen to know.
RomanceRe: How Many Boyfriend(s) Have You Had To Date by Devonian(op): 2:36pm On Feb 21, 2010
olugirl:
hey, research ke? is that not against NL rules?
Hi Olugirl: I actually checked it out in case it is but it really isn't so feel free to participate in this interesting study. You can contact the research director at oconnorfrancis@ymail.com

Cheers!
RomanceRe: How Many Girlfriend(s) Have You Had To Date by Devonian(op): 10:15pm On Feb 20, 2010
mama-gee:
Nonsense Thread.
You should have just walked by if you're not interested in this post rather than make such a silly and senseless comment. Similar surveys had been conducted in the USA by the University of Michigan: "New survey tells how much intimacy we’re having: 29 percent of men, 9 percent of women say they’ve had 15 or more partners" (http://www.ns.umich.edu/htdocs/releases/story.php?id=117); and in the UK by the Virgin Media: "How many people have you slept with?" (http://health.virginmedia.com/online-intimacy-calculator.htm), and The Telegraph "Young women 'have more sexual partners' than men" (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/3685314/Young-women-have-more-sexual-partners-than-men.html). Mama-gee, what is nonsensical about the thread? To the best of my knowledge, no such survey result exists for Naija. Even if this is tokenistic and anecdotal, the research team is keen to have answers to this question. So, mama-gee rather than derail this thread, just walk by. OK!

Brothers in the House just slam me your responses. Tha.
RomanceHow Many Girlfriend(s) Have You Had To Date by Devonian(op): 8:53pm On Feb 20, 2010
How many girlfriend(s) have you had to date, and how many of them gave you the fruit to eat, and, like Adam did you actually eat the fruit? Honest answers needed, please. No see me see trouble kind of responses, please. To be honest, this is a poll, and Nigerian men on NL would be kind enough to answer this question as honestly as possible. At least we're all here anonymously, so your wife wouldn't know you've dated so many women before her, assuming you actually did whilst a bachelor. And, if she was the only gal, she would be the happiest that you weren't sleeping around.

Aims of the study:
1) To show the average number of women that Nigerian men dated before getting married.
2) To indicate how many Nigerian men actually dated women they never settled down with in holy matrimony
3) To highlight the level of sexual activity taking place during courtships/relationships which never resulted in a marriage

PLEASE KEEP THE ANWSERS COMING BROTHERS.

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