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buukola:SO, THESE SATELLITE DEGREE MILLS ARE STILL OPERATING IN NIGERIA. IF COURSES HAD STARTED, AND EXAMS ARE NEAR, HOW WOULD SOMEONE WILLING TO START THE COURSE CATCH UP AND PASS HIS/HER EXAMS? YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, NIGERIANS WOULD START COMPLAINING THAT IN SPITE OF THEIR ACADEMIC QUALIFICATIONS, THEY CAN'T GET A BEFFITING JOB. DEVELOPED COUNTRIES WOULDN'T OPERATE LIKE THIS AND THAT'S WHY NIGERIAN GRADUATES WOULD BE SITTING JOB APTITUDE TESTS, SWEATING UNDER THE FAN OR IN AC ROOMS, WHILST EMPLOYMENT OFFER LETTERS ARE BEING FAXED TO THEIR COUNTERPARTS WHO STUDIED ABROAD. |
Let me start by unequivocally stating that there are excellent students and Professors in Nigerian universities, but the bad eggs seem to outnumber the good ones with the result that the bad eggs amongst the Professors are letting very weak students through the net, enabling them earn academic qualifications they cannot defend. I visited home sometime last year, and in separate conversations with two current postgraduate (MA and MEd) students of UNILAG, I realised that you can buy/pay your way through various academic degree programmes in the University, and other Nigerian universities. Both independently told me that they were at the dissertation stage of their programmes, and that their respective Professors demanded that they pay something in the region of =N=80,000. Once they've made the payment into the said Professors' bank account, the Professors linked them up with doctoral students who would help to write, presumably copy someone else's, masters' dissertation which they would finally submit to get their respective degrees. In several other conversations, current students talked of going to cognate fields/departments in other universities (e.g. Drama students from UNILAG, going to OAU or UI's Drama department, and vice versa) to copy thesis and simply pass them on as their own work. Also to my surprise, I realised that the new generation universities were churning out PhDs for thesis that would struggle to be awarded MPhil in Western Europe. A friend proudly told me he’s completed his PhD in a State University in the old Ondo State, and needed someone to fund its publication. He gave me a copy to peruse. Apart from the fact that such a title should never have been approved for a doctoral thesis, the contents which was more descriptive than analytical equate with solid undergraduate dissertations or poorly written master’s dissertations I’ve come across in the UK. On perusing, I found it extremely difficult to follow due to poor presentation and English. Yet, this guy now has a PhD and currently lectures in the same university. What sorts of graduates would he and similar lecturers produce? Only last night I was checking up on someone. He is a Professor in one of the humanities subjects, also in a State University in the old Ondo State. In his CV, he indicated PhD vivas he had conducted in the past. In two cases, I noted he conducted viva for candidates defending PhD theses in the area of Science Education (Agric Education & Physics Education). How could this be? In the UK, if you’re a Professor of Human Rights Law, it’s very, very unlikely you will be asked, within the same Law Faculty to supervise, let alone examine, a PhD candidate in the area of Criminology. Even where the thesis integrates the two areas, two Professors, each from each of the two sub-disciplines would be ask to co-supervise or co-examine the candidate with a view to ascertaining that each makes his/her respective specialist contributions/critique to the thesis preparation and viva voce. What has Nigerian universities, Post-Babangida Era, turned into? Are Nigerian academic degrees what the paper’s they’re written on anymore? I REALLY FEEL SORRY FOR THE YOUNGER GENERATIONS GOING THROUGH NIGERIAN UNIVERSITIES AT THE VERY MOMENT. UNFORTUNATELY, THE CHILDREN OF THE POLITICIANS ARE NOT IN NIGERIAN UNIVERSITIES, LIKE Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, THEY'RE ABROAD ATTENDING TOP SCHOOLS COURTESY FUNDS STOLEN FROM NIGERIA. MAY THE BLOOD OF INNOCENTS, SUFFERING NIGERIANS BE UPON THEM, AND MAY THEY END UP LIKE THEIR COUNTERPART, FAROUK. |
I'M RAISING THIS ISSUE IN POLITICS SECTION BECAUSE THE NIGERIAN GOVERNMENT IS FAILING ITS CITIZENRY BY FAILING TO PUMP SUFICIENT FUNDS INTO THE EDUCATION SECTOR, PARTICULARLY, NIGERIAN UNIVERSITIES. Let me start by unequivocally stating that there are excellent students and Professors in Nigerian universities, but the bad eggs seem to outnumber the good ones with the result that the bad eggs amongst the Professors are letting very weak students through the net, enabling them earn academic qualifications they cannot defend. I visited home sometime last year, and in separate conversations with two current postgraduate (MA and MEd) students of UNILAG, I realised that you can buy/pay your way through various academic degree programmes in the University, and other Nigerian universities. Both independently told me that they were at the dissertation stage of their programmes, and that their respective Professors demanded that they pay something in the region of =N=80,000. Once they've made the payment into the said Professors' bank account, the Professors linked them up with doctoral students who would help to write, presumably copy someone else's, masters' dissertation which they would finally submit to get their respective degrees. In several other conversations, current students talked of going to cognate fields/departments in other universities (e.g. Drama students from UNILAG, going to OAU or UI's Drama department, and vice versa) to copy thesis and simply pass them on as their own work. Also to my surprise, I realised that the new generation universities were churning out PhDs for thesis that would struggle to be awarded MPhil in Western Europe. A friend proudly told me he’s completed his PhD in a State University in the old Ondo State, and needed someone to fund its publication. He gave me a copy to peruse. Apart from the fact that such a title should never have been approved for a doctoral thesis, the contents which was more descriptive than analytical equate with solid undergraduate dissertations or poorly written master’s dissertations I’ve come across in the UK. On perusing, I found it extremely difficult to follow due to poor presentation and English. Yet, this guy now has a PhD and currently lectures in the same university. What sorts of graduates would he and similar lecturers produce? Only last night I was checking up on someone. He is a Professor in one of the humanities subjects, also in a State University in the old Ondo State. In his CV, he indicated PhD vivas he had conducted in the past. In two cases, I noted he conducted viva for candidates defending PhD theses in the area of Science Education (Agric Education & Physics Education). How could this be? In the UK, if you’re a Professor of Human Rights Law, it’s very, very unlikely you will be asked, within the same Law Faculty to supervise, let alone examine, a PhD candidate in the area of Criminology. Even where the thesis integrates the two areas, two Professors, each from each of the two sub-disciplines would be ask to co-supervise or co-examine the candidate with a view to ascertaining that each makes his/her respective specialist contributions/critique to the thesis preparation and viva voce. What has Nigerian universities, Post-Babangida Era, turned into? Are Nigerian academic degrees worth the papers they’re written on anymore? I REALLY FEEL SORRY FOR THE YOUNGER GENERATIONS GOING THROUGH NIGERIAN UNIVERSITIES AT THE VERY MOMENT. UNFORTUNATELY, THE CHILDREN OF THE POLITICIANS ARE NOT IN NIGERIAN UNIVERSITIES, LIKE Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, THEY'RE ABROAD ATTENDING TOP SCHOOLS COURTESY FUNDS STOLEN FROM NIGERIA. MAY THE BLOOD OF INNOCENTS, SUFFERING NIGERIANS BE UPON THEM, AND MAY THEY END UP LIKE THEIR COUNTERPART, FAROUK. |
Why did you ever buy such a car? Rover 75 looks nice but often runs the risk of acute overheating, even here in the UK with the mild weather. I once bought it because I had used Rover 620 which had Honda engine, but on realising it's the V6 engine which seriuosly does overheating, I had to replace it at the dealers. You should just find a way of selling it off, otherwise, that's your money down the drainage. Even the company itself has folded up. Best of luck. |
2011 PRESIDENCY: Britain, US conduct surveys on IBB STRONG indications have emerged that some developed countries, who are keen on having former military president, General Ibrahim Babangida, become the president of Nigeria in 2011, have been taking steps to decode his personality before finally casting support for the bid. Nigerian Tribune learnt that interested countries, including Britain, the United States, France, Germany and now China, have of late conducted different surveys on the personality of General Babangida, with a view to testing his popularity ahead of the 2011 elections. The surveys, it was learnt, were conducted among political parties, National Assembly members, civil society groups and women organisations, said to have been considered as critical to the next elections in Nigeria. Apart from speaking to Babangida directly through their respective envoys in Nigeria, the countries were said to be keen on getting responses from Nigerian groups and individuals on a possible Babangida presidency in 2011, purposely to design a constructive programme meant to guide the intervention of the international community on the future politics in Nigeria. The National chairman of National Democratic Party (NDP), Prince Chudi Chukwuani, confirmed this development in an interview with the Nigerian Tribune in Abuja, disclosing that he had received agents from the Chinese and British governments, whom he said organised informal meeting during which they tactfully inquired about Babangida and the nature of politics in Nigeria. The NDP chieftain disclosed that the nature of questions posed to him at different times by those who met him convinced him that the countries involved were keen on the future of Nigeria, disclosing that he had an impression that the investigators had very fair knowledge about politics in the country. "These are people who have been in the country for some time and had probably done much of intelligence work for their respective countries. They came to my office one after the other and started asking questions about Nigeria, though informally, and then they asked for my opinion about Babangida, occasionally," said Chukwuani. He said that some of the Chinese businessmen he had known in Nigeria had cornered him several times to make enquiries about the interest of General Babangida in the next general election and the reason for his seeming reluctance to enter the presidential race. A member of the House of Representatives, Honourable Fatimat Raji Rasaki, had earlier relayed a similar experience. She said some Americans, who visited the National Assembly for a function by women parliamentarians, asked questions about Babangida. In the same vein, the National co-ordinator of NGO Network, Mallam Mahmud Attah Bougie, told the Nigerian Tribune that he had once been contacted by an American pro-democracy group with special interest in Nigeria to assist in x-raying through a paper on the coming presidential election with emphasis on the chances of each of the likely contestants, including IBB. There had been reports that the rating IBB has been enjoying from the international community of late is not unconnected with his liberalism, since he was generally believed to be a secular person, an attribute he reportedly demonstrated during his eight-year rule of Nigeria. According to Honourable Fatimat Rasaki, Babangida is generally perceived outside Nigeria as a leader who could easily build consensus in government, considering the nature of support he could rally from across the federation. IBB had shown interest in the 2007 presidential election by collecting the nomination form of the Peoples Democratic Party (PDP), though he later withdrew from the presidential primaries because he said he would not like to feature in the same presidential contest with the former governor of Katsina State, Alhaji Umaru Yar'Adua, who he referred to as a younger brother. However, the inability of Babangida to get the support of the then president, Chief Olusegun Obasanjo, was considered the main reason behind his withdrawal from the race. Obasanjo reportedly advised him to support a younger candidate for the position. Since 2007, the former military president has been keeping a low profile in politics. +++ http://odili.net/news/source/2010/apr/1/627.html +++ I thought Nigeria is an independent, sovereign state! How come these countries are sampling opinions about IBB? Or, is this a propaganda? If so, how come it’s Tribune that is the agent of IBB’s propaganda? Awolowo’s body must be rolling in his grave. |
Whoever penned this story and released it into the world wide web is grossly irresponsible. I also doubt if that media outfit wouldn't irrevocably lost its credibility. This is not something you joke about using this channel of communication. |
Justcash:That reminded me of the scenes I repeatedly witnessed in Ovoko (an Igbo village not far away from Nsukka), some 18 years ago. You're describing an Igbo stuffs, here. |
It's like most respondents on this thread got the OP wrong. I’ll cite three examples. @UcheUwadi: The OP hasn’t denied the fact that “a higher number of Igbos [are working as] doctors, accountants, pharmacist, and investment bankers etc.” @ justwise: The OP isn’t denying the fact that “this is a Nigerian problem.” @ Fhemmmy: I don't really think the OP is “trying to make it an all exclusive igbo trade.” To synthesise your points, the three of you are insinuating that the OP thinks all the Igbos do is deal in drugs, and that drug dealing is exclusively an Igbo problem. I don't really think that’s what s/he is saying. She rhetorically asked, “why is this [i.e. drug dealing] very very predominant amongst the Igbos lads and lasses. “ She even goes on to say that “[t]raditionally, I respect the Igbos for their industriousness and creativity” which seemingly suggests her awareness of the fact that Igbos are found in all walks of life: medicine, pharmacy, academics, engineering, legitimate businesses, etc. However, given the preponderance of Igbo names in the list of people caught peddling drugs, she finally asked, “but what's happening these days?” Guy’s let’s be analytical, rather than allow ethnocentricty becloud our comprehension and judgement of the issue at stake. Having said this, I concur with the OP that the majority of Nigerians peddling drugs are of the Igbo stock. To cite another example, read the story of Fidelis Ozouli, a 30-year-old, Nigerian student in the UK. He swallowed 67 packages of cocaine with a street value of £250,000 (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1231144/Drug-smuggler-swallows-67-packages-cocaine-bid-past-customs.html ). Why would the Igbos do anything, particularly drugs, for money. Is it because what matters most is how much wealth you can show/display during Xmas/new year festivities, irrespective of the source? |
benodic:WHAT'S THE SOURCE OF THE HIGHLIGHTED ASSERTION/CLAIM? |
RICHIE BOI:WELL SAID. IF SHE MADE IT TO CHINA AND GOT CAUGHT THERE. SHE'S A DEAD MEAT. |
These are the sorts of people running Nigeria: peadophiles and s-e-x offenders. And, what's the source of Yariman Bakura's wealth that he can afford to splash $100,000 on bride price only, when millions of nigeria are living on lessons than $1.00 a day. I've said it for the umpteenth time, all past and current Nigerian leaders should be deceptively assembled (e.g. invited for a crucial meeting to address Nigeria's problems) and summarily executed/eliminated, Jerry Rawlings style |
UHMN, AFTER SEVERAL COMPANIES HAVE RELOCATED TO GHANA DUE TO CONSTANT POWER OUTAGE IN LAGOS, OK OH. |
In fact this relates directly to a thread I've just created. Read this! https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-418765.0.html |
Pastor or spellbinder? •He cast a spell on my wife and spent all her money, man alleges •No, she’s just my business partner –Pastor By CHRISTOPHER OJI Wednesday, March 24, 2010 Police detectives in Lagos are currently working hard to unravel the mystery behind the sudden disappearance of a mother of three, just as a Lagos-based pastor who allegedly eloped with the married woman is being detained by the police. The man of God, Pastor Ken Obinwa, is also alleged to have swindled the woman’s husband of several millions of naira. Husband of the run-away woman, simply identified as Eze, as well as her children were seen at the Festac Police Station begging the pastor to release the woman or tell them her whereabouts. Eze, who narrated his ordeals in the hands of the pastor, said he had enjoyed 22 years of blissful marriage with his wife, Clara, before the pastor reportedly caused confusion in their home. “We were blessed with three children,” he said. “One of them is studying abroad. I am a caring father and husband who have always taken good care of my family. I bought cars for my wife and I had travelled abroad with my wife and children several times. We don’t lack anything. God blessed us with money and we were happy until this pastor came into my wife’s life.” Eze said he got a shocker from his children when he returned home one day with some food he bought from an eatery. “My children rejected the food,” he said. “I thought it was a joke until they started running away from me. I came back home the second day and my little angels refused to greet me. They kept running away from me.” He said when he reported the case to his wife, she told him to confess his sins, adding that a pastor had revealed that he was planning to kill her. “She said the pastor told her that I was planning to kill her and her children. I tried to find out who the pastor was, but that was when my wife gave me another shocker. She accused me of belonging to an occult group, that the pastor also told her I am a cultist. “I started suffering what I did not know anything about. I think the pastor hypnotized my wife. Each time I wanted to explain things to Clara, the more she would complicate the issue.” Eze said as a result of his wife’s strange behaviour, he joined the Catholic Charismatic Renewal, a Christian denomination. “But my wife stopped giving me food. Later, God started his miracle when my undergraduate son confessed to me that he was in Pastor Obinwa’s house for over six months. My son told me that the pastor asked him to come for some spiritual bath and the mother took him to the pastor’s house. This was a boy who told me he was in the school.” The distraught husband said his son also told him that the pastor had been taking them from one river to the other for spiritual baths. He said his daughter also revealed to him how their mother had been packing food items, money, clothes and other personal effects to the pastor. “The pastor must have collected several millions of naira from my wife because her bank account is now empty,” he said. He quoted his children as saying that the pastor’s wife also frequented their home to collect things. According to Eze, after hearing his children’s confessions, he decided to confront his wife who he said later eloped with the pastor. He then decided to report the matter to the police who arrested the pastor. “I am begging the pastor to give me back my wife. If he can’t bring her back, let him tell me where she is. I am sure the pastor used some diabolical means to deceive her. This fake pastor has shattered my home. It is only God that can set me free.” His son, Charles, who took the narrative from the father said: “When I got admission to study at the university, the pastor told me not to go, that I would die as soon as I arrived at the school. Out of fear, I stayed in his house for six months. My father bought me a laptop and gave my mum N500, 000 for my school fees and upkeep. But mum spent the money with the pastor. They were lavishing my money on themselves. “Pastor told my sister and that our daddy is a member of an occult group and that he wanted to use our blood for rituals. My mum told us to believe the pastor. That was why I started running from our dad. My sister too was afraid of our daddy.” Eze’s daughter, Clara, who corroborated Charles’ story, also begged the pastor to release their mother. “Our mum drove out in her jeep and I know she went to the pastor’s house. Please, pastor, give us our mother. We love her and we need her.” Pastor Obinwa told Daily Sun that the woman was just his business associate. “I only transact business with her. My wife introduced her to me. I am not her pastor. I was only doing business with her and she is our family friend.” On her whereabouts, he said: “My friend, the woman told me she was travelling to London. I prayed with her and I wished her safe journey.” On whether he was visiting the woman’s house while the husband was away, he said: “Yes, I used to visit the woman who is my very good friend. It is true that her husband and I had never met until today but madam is a very good friend of mine. There was a day my wife prepared a cake for her, and her husband even ate from it. That is to show you that we are family friends.” A mild drama ensued when the police told the husband to call his wife on her cell phone to know her whereabouts. The woman, however, refused to pick the call. But as soon as the pastor called, the woman answered. The embattled man of God said that the woman is still alive. “She gave me a foreign number. She is in London. Oga don’t worry, your wife will soon come back to you,” he assured. Police spokesman in Lagos, Mr. Frank Mba said investigations on the case are on-going. http://www.sunnewsonline.com/webpages/features/citysun/2010/mar/24/citysun-24-03-2010-001.htm |
ICHABOD (MEANING THE GLORY HAS DEPARTED) |
Yar’Adua’s men fight back •Hire 7 SANS to tackle Jonathan •2 ex-ministers fail security tests •Jonathan, lawmakers in crucial meeting Written by Taiwo Adisa and Idowu Samuel, Abuja LOYALISTS of ailing President Umaru Yar’Adua are said to have hired, at least, seven Senior Advocates of Nigeria (SANs) to fight the decision by the Acting President, Dr. Goodluck Jonathan, to dissolve the Federal Executive Council (FEC). It was gathered that the aggrieved kitchen cabinet members had resolved to fight the acting president for taking the decision without recourse to the sitting president. A source said that members of the dislodged cabal were bitter over the dissolution of the cabinet, which meant that all of them had lost their plum positions. The group is said to have raised N500 million to prosecute its legal challenge. It was gathered that the group was also planning to embark on lobbying of members of the Senate to ensure that they delayed the screening and confirmation of ministerial nominees for, at least, two weeks. A source said that the cabal leaders had hoped to undo the decision of the acting president within the next two weeks so as to return the nation to status quo. At least two notable SANs were said to have been engaged while some other senior advocates numbering five were said to have joined the team. A source said that no fewer than 25 companies which got major contracts from the leaders of the plot when they were in government had been mandated to raise the required funds to pay the legal fees and also lead the charge to lobby members of the National Assembly. “Their plan is to ensure that the programmes of the acting president are truncated and they have decided to look for pliable judicial hands to help their cause.” “But members of the National Interest Group in the Senate have also been alerted to this. “They have all resolved to fast-track the screening process of the ministers to the extent that most of the returning ministers will not be made to pass through prolonged screening,” a source in the Senate said. Meanwhile, at least two members of the recently dissolved cabinet of President Umaru Yar’Adua have failed security tests, following their screening by the security agencies. Former Minister of Works, Dr. Hassan Lawal and his counterpart in the Ministry of Aviation, Mr. Tunde Omotoba, were facing security scares on Monday. It was gathered that petitions on the ill-fated Abuja Airport runway had been piling against Omotoba at the headquarters of some of the security agencies, while the works minister was also said to have some petitions against him. A source also said that some security agencies forwarded list of the ministers they were investigating to the acting president through the National Security Adviser immediately the cabinet dissolution was announced. The information was aimed at guiding the acting president in the recomposition of the cabinet, sources said. Sources said some other ministers in the dissolved cabinet were also facing security challenges and some of them were actually dropped as a result of that understanding in government circles. It was learnt in Abuja, on Monday, that reports of the State Security Service (SSS) and other agencies indicated that petitions had been pouring in against some of the immediate past ministers and that their clearance for Senate confirmation might be a tall order. The source said the reason behind Jonathan’s decision to drop some loyalists of President Yar’Adua was actually because of the security challenges and not as a result of the hatred between the camp of the ailing president and the acting president. The acting president was said to still hold his boss in high esteem and he did not harbour ill feelings against him, despite his inability to see him in the past weeks. The source said Jonathan had personally dissuaded members of the dissolved Executive Council of the Federation (EXCOF) from debating the issue of invocation of Section 144 of the 1999 Constitution so as not to portray the council as anti-Yar’Adua. The acting president had also dissuaded his supporters in the Senate from embarking on the impeachment option on the strength of the fact that the ailing president did not deserve to be disgraced from office. The Senate is still expecting the ministerial list today amidst conflicting signals that the list was encountering problems at the hands of security operatives. It was gathered that the presidency had resolved to send the names of the returning ministers to the Senate, such that the lawmakers could do something about the screening before they embarked on Easter break. Meanwhile, Acting President Jonathan is not leaving anything to chance in re-constituting the EXCOF which he sacked a week ago, as he held a crucial meeting with some members of the Senate and House of Representatives. Jonathan’s meeting with National Assembly members, which was held at the Presidential Villa, Abuja, on Monday night, was able to resolve issues on who should constitute the new cabinet, with some of the shortlisted candidates being dropped due to negative reports against them. Senators and members of the House of Representatives met with Jonathan under the aegis of Integrity Group. About 20 members of the group were said to have been invited to the meeting by the acting president. Members of Nigerian First Forum, which emerged in the House of Representatives, were equally selected to look at the list of ministerial nominees. The acting president had, at the close of last week, held a similar meeting with the leadership of the Peoples Democratic Party (PDP) and the National Security Adviser, General Aliyu Gusau, during which those in attendance put a seal on the shortlisted candidates. Is it a DO or DIE MATTER? These fools called cabinet ministers must be benefiting from this impasse. What have they done to make life bearable for Nigerians that they've been asked to quit and would want to remain in office. WHY NOT INVITE THEM TO A MEETING AND HAND THEM SPECIAL TEA TO DRINK. HOW I WISH A WAITRESS/WAITRER IN THE ASO ROCK CAN LACE THESE POLITICIANS' FOOD AND DRINK |
WHERE ARE PAPA'S CHILDREN WHO HAVE BEEN PREACHING FIRE AND BRIMSTONE, HEAVEN AND HELL FIRE ON NL? WHAT AN INCONGRUITY! |
WHICH OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD HAS SUCH A BILATERAL ARRANGEMENT AND AGREEMENT WITH THE UK, PROBABLY NONE. THAT SHOWS HOW STUPI.D AND SENSELESS OBASANJO WAS AND STILL IS. |
shadrach77:First, I'm not a Muslim, but I find this post to be very alarming. Second, any evidence/academic references to back up your statistics. Can you provide a credible source as evidence. Finally, and in relation to the boldened and coloured text from your extract, which theologians are you referring to? I've never in my theological education journey encountered any such claims. Again, can you please provide credible sources for your assertion that “many theologians refer to Islam as the ANTICHRIST religion. Muhammed is the false prophet.” THIS IS A VERY PATHETIC THREAD/POST AND SHOULD BE BANNED BEFORE THINGS DEGENERATE. MODERATOR(S) PLEASE BAN THIS THREAD |
shadrach77:I'm compelled, first, to ask whether or not you're WASC O Level generation, or the NECO generation, and, second, to know whether or not you passed WASC O Level English (A-C) which those days entailed English Comprehension. I'm asking these questions becuase the importance/significance of this piece which incontrovertibly exemplifies what's happening in the Nigerian Pentcostal |
^^^ YES! WHAT ELSE DO YOU THINK THEY'RE DOING THERE. DO YOU KNOW THE DAILY CASH TURN OVER IN COTONOU IN RESPECT OF IMPORTED MOTOR SALES? AND WHO TOLD YOU THAT THESE PENTERASCALS AREN'T MAKING BUCKS IN THOSE COUNTRIES YOU LISTED? |
Thanks OP: You've recycled my question into a new thread. But where are members of Winners Chapel, TREM, RCCG & Rhema on this Forum? Are they too timid to answer this question or acknowledging the fact that their churches can't be bothered preaching the gospel of Christ in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran & Iraq? |
kola oloye:You sound very, very deluded. What precisely are you admonishing KunleOshob to repent of? Presumably of critiquing Pastors and GOs. You're certainly one of those "Touch not my annointed" SOMBIs on NL. Let me tell you, David was not merely (the second) king and ruler of all Israel, he was also a prophet. Yet, he committed two heinous crimes: adultery and murder. If you can’t remember the rest of the story, Nathan cleverly accused him and David ultimately realised his follies. Yes, he confessed and repented of his sins. However, God not only dealt with or punished David in his own way ("You killed him with the sword of the Ammonites. Now, therefore, the sword will never depart from your house, because you despised Me and took the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be your own." Nathan then informs David that his child with Bathsheba must die. Indeed, their first child dies after seven days), but also forgave him. The shepherd’s staff is for striking the sheep in the same manner that it’s used to drawn the sheep unto the shepherd. I'll rather prefer you direct your repentance admonition to these Pastors and GOs wallowing in shamefull stuff. |
What this generation of church leaders need to realise is that by the time people wake up to reality or shall I say become liberated, the number of people that are likely to reject Christianity and all it stands for might outweigh those in the western world, leading to a sharp decline in church attendance. See what the Church of England has become in terms of church attendance. Many of its church buildings had been closed down. These have been desecrated having been converted into pubs, disco halls, community centres, Mosques, Hindu and Sikh Temples. A few had been bought over by Celestial Church of Christ and other African Indigenous Churches or Black majority Churches in the UK. In fact, Islam is gradually taking over parts of EU (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1544238/Islam-is-taking-over-says-Dutch-politician.html ) including the UK (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1054909/Have-babies-Muslims-UK-hate-fanatic-says-warning-comes-9-11-UK.html; http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/8555538.stm ). If you go to York Minster in the City of York, UK, that is the very place where Constantine the Great was declared Emperor. And, through the Edict of Milan (313), Christianity (which hitherto was a religio ilicita, i.e illegal religion) was declared religio licita, i.e. legal religion, by Constantine the Great. It is in this same UK, where churches are now closing down. Indeed, if you momentarily take black dominated churches in the UK out of the equation, I doubt if the number of practising Muslims wouldn’t outweigh practising Christians. I suppose the point ‘am making is that, by the time those Pentecostal Christians would wake up to the reality and possibly desert the church, Muslims might then take over Nigeria through Christians’ self-destruct. Then, these GOS, Pastors must stand before God’s throne to face His wrath. |
toba:I see where you're coming from. When I said, "after 7 years," traditionally (except these days when you really wonder what else the younger generation [Post-Babangida University Graduates] has knowledge of) a number of people would know which church requires you to spend 7 years in the seminary before being admitted into the Priesthood. So, in saying "after 7 years", this naturally/traditionally presupposes that I completed the training but decided to go no further. [b]On change. [/b]At that very stage in my life, I received no mission or commission in that direction, even today. It would have been like Moses before he was called to deliver Israel out of Egypt, trying to revenge of his own volition, he became a self exile until God actually commissioned him. But if God had that plan for someone else, Moses would have died in exile, not personally realising his dream for Israel. Besides, you're talking of me being the change. It's imply not feasible. This is a global institution which carved a state for itself, so it's not under any secular governance, yet weilding one of the greatest influence throughout the world. NO MAN CAN WROUGHT ANY CHANGE THERE UNTIL JESUS RETURNS TO CARE FOR HIS OWN BODY! In any case, I now teach in a setting where I unpretentiously help the younger generation--of all faiths and none--to fulfil their dreams and potentials to their fullest abilities. In this way, I'm happily leaving my footprints on this planet earth. |
What did the church do to help George when he was out of jobs? What if George didn't have the opportunity to relocate to the USA? I hope readers would learn from George's predicament. |
petres_007:In Moral and Political Philosophy as well as in Philosophy of Education, it is said that when indoctrination has successfully taken place one or more of the following happens. (1) the absence of any rational justification for one’s beliefs or values; (2) the inability to justify one’s beliefs or values; and, (3) the inability to consider alternatives. So, when people hold on to a belief (secular or religious): (a) just because the Pastor/Priest/Bishop/Pope or GO says so, FULL STOP; (b) without being able to clearly articulate reasons for holding such beliefs (even when there are acceptable reasons for holding such beliefs); and, (c) failing to consider alternative viewpoints, one major conclusion that can be drawn is that the individual is ostensibly suffering from the paralysis of his/her intellectual imagination. |
REAL TRUTH:Absolutely true! This is becuase, those RCCG members who woulld not respond here are ostensibly suffering from the paralysis of their intellectual imagination, which is the end product of the phenomenon called indoctrination. |
i unreservedly sympathise with all and sundry directly affected by this incident, and wish all in the government similar but worst fate. |
