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ijawkid: Here it is bro.....

Hebrews 6:18

New Living Translation (©2007)
So God has given both his promise
and his oath. These two things are
unchangeable because it is
impossible for God to lie.
Therefore, we who have fled to
him for refuge can have great
confidence as we hold to the hope
that lies before us.


English Standard Version
(©2001)
so that by two unchangeable
things, in which it is impossible for
God to lie, we who have fled for
refuge might have strong
encouragement to hold fast to the
hope set before us.


If it is possible for GOD to Lie then I'll stop worshipping Him.......

My bro there are just certain things GOD cannot do......the moment he does them he stops being GOD............

i kind of understand tht verse to mean tht under no circumstance will God lie, and not that God 'cannot' lie. Nevertheless, if your interpretation is realy what tht verse is then I sincerely apologise for my error.

Bidam: he thrives on straw man arguments.

! Hve u noticed tht he quickly opened up another thread based on thesame topic. It is like this is what he does for a living. He is merely interested in gathering fans and sympatizers for himself. He is only down with proving himself right rather than accepting truth.

ijawkid: Oboy have u forgotten the explicit verse that says God cannot LIE??.....

I didn't cook it up.....

pls do point out that part of the bible that says God 'cannot' lie. If u r right then I (unlike ur counterpart frosbel) will humbly accept and then apologize to God and to evry body tht may ve read tht post.
If by any means u do not remember it now, plas google it or ask someone and then get back to me. I wld realy luv to hear from u bro.

Bidam: AVE EXPLAINED IN MY PREVIOUS POST..KEEP AVOIDING THE EXPLANATIONS.

he is obviously a sneaky fella.

frosbel: How can you be objective without applying logic to the evaluation of facts ?

again, again and again I ask frosbel. explain to your fans the logic or illogic behind the promise of the Holy Spirit as I ve mentioned. These are clear facts written in John 14. If u ve not already read tht passage, please do and then evaluate it for us. We are still waiting frosbel.
Dont ignore (oops!) this one guy.

ijawkid: So can God lie??....

like ve said, the fact that ijawkid 'will not' eat dog meat does not mean ijawkid 'cannot' eat dog meat.
Do not misquote me in any way. I ve not said that God can lie. I ve only meant that so far tht God has not said this about Himself, we shld not by our human sentiment ascribe it to Him.
You agree tht God cannot lie simply because your biased human mind tells you tht God is too big to lie (your mind cannot comprehend how a God wld lie) and not because He(God) has told you this (not even in the scriptures).

So, I repeat. There nothing, again nothing impossible to God.

frosbel: lol, more and more madness

Try using water, as liquid , solid and gas -

address in clear explanations (as I myself ve done so far) how maddening my points are frosbel, rather than suggest a point of argument for me.

I do not personaly agree to the solid, liquid, gas idea solely because these states all occur at different times in space and not at thesame time. Water for sure cannot be 100% solid and 100% liquid at thesame time. Tht is settled.

You see frosbel. One difference btwn me and you is tht I'm objectve with my views. As for u, even when it is clear tht u r wrong u apply the cheapest deffence, 'dodge the question or dismiss it'.

Address my points frosbel. Dont just dismiss them by using words like 'illogical nonesense' and 'madness'. Address the points.

ijawkid: Well how else do you intend to fix the formular that wouldn't still insult the person of Yahweh and also logic and scriptural truth??.......

Even Einsten dared to think he could understand and pick the mind of God by share mathematical formulars. He got the ruddest shock of his life even before he died, and that is part of why he made the famous statement 'God does not play dice'.

So, leave God out of mathematical formulars. He created mathematics, mathematics did not create Him.

@Frosbe.
Have you yet not gathered enough guts to address samueloladapo's comments (especialy the one tht has to do with muliplication).
If it is realy illogical to say 1+1+1=1, how then is it not illogical to say 1*1*1=1?

God is way bigger than ur brains guy.

ijawkid: My bro the nonsense don too dey glaring....

And meanwhile I thought it was 1 times 1 times 1=1.......

See formular na......

I care less about what mathermatical principles are used to define the trinity. As I ve mentioned earlier I mathematics are not enough to define the boundaries of God. Frosbel first mention here the term 1+1+1=1. What I am againt is the arrangement of tht term. It is intentionaly misleading.

frosbel: It is not from GOD because the GOD I know is not the author of confusion , only SATAN is the father of confusion and because we know the Trinity is utter chaos and confusion par excellence, it can only be a product of his imaginative lies which people like you have swallowed hook line ans sinker as with other false doctrines.

this is only a confusion to those tht ve chosen to place God amongst the category of the 'cannots'.
God 'cannot' have a child.
God 'cannot' have a wife.
God 'cannot' lie.
God 'cannot' become flesh.
God 'cannot' be in two places in thesame time.
God cannot, cannot, cannot.
And this is a God tht is supposed to be omnipotent.
This itself is logicaly stupid.

Frosbel the fact that you will not agree on something does not mean that you cannot.

frosbel:


What utter illogical nonsense.

is this your answer to all the points I have raised so far (especialy concerning the promise of the Holy Spirit)?

1+1+1=1 gives the impression that three persons coming together to become 1 person (this is the wicked and devilish impression tht u r trying to give frosbel).
1=1+1+1 on the other hand means three persons being expressed out of 1 person. I believe this is what those for the trinity intend to impress.

The fact tht you are a liar rubbishes evry argument you bring up any where and any time.

frosbel: Please stop using the words, ignore or avoid .

The Spirit of GOD is simply GOD's spirit.

"these are the things God has revealed to us by his Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God." - 1 Corinthians 2:9

You would admit God has one Spirit not 2.

stop being dubious frosbel. This above is the only post u ve made here concerning the Holy Spirit.

'The Spirit of GOD is simply GOD's spirit'.

That is a very vague answer frosbel. It is like saying 'the car of frosbel is simply frosbel's car'. I ve asked you to clarify on the only answer u ve given concerning the Holy Spirit and you ve not done tht so far (I can surely quote all yr response after this). Now you come here to lie that you ve posted twice abt this.

N.B: I noticed tht you use a very intentionaly twisting term such as 1+1+1=1 as ur argument against the trinity. Those for the trinity do necessarily claim 1+1+1=1, rather they say that 1=1+1+1.

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frosbel: Why do you keep ignoring various posts that have described this issue, is this intentional or just sheer laziness

if you are too scared to give an answer to my question then you ought to ve at least pointed out these posts tht ve addressed the issue of what 'God's spirit' realy means, rather than pull up a dodgy and ambiguous response.

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God does not have a spirit (it is man tht does). God himself is spirit. And so the holy spirit whom frosbel calls 'God's spirit' is a matter of fact God himself. I am sure evry one wll agree with me on this.

Now Jesus promised the disciples in John 14 tht he wld ask the father to send 'another' helper who will dwell with them and be in them for as long as he (jesus) is away. I believe we all agree tht this helper Jesus talks abt here is the Holy Spirit which as I pointed out is God himself.
I then pose this question to Frosbel and his likes. Since you say it is not 'logicaly' possible for 1 to be in 2 places at thesame time. Is it then 'logicaly' possible for Jesus to ask God to send 'another' of Himself(God) to come and dwell with and in the disciples?
According to your logic of impossibilities, if the Holy Spirit (who is God) has been dwelling in men all this while then God has been absent from heaven aswell.
Frosbel will you then call Jesus an illogical liar for promising the disciples the Holy Spirit?

If Jesus is not a liar, then;
(1) indeed God can be in two places at thesame time.
(2) God can indeed send Himself.
(3) 1(the Holy spirit) + 1(God the father) can be = 1(the God head). If 1+1 can be = 1 (as I ve pointed out), then it ll be 'logicaly' stupid to say 1+1+1 cannot be = 1.

And I ask the question again. Why ve you all chosen to ignore the case of the Holy Spirit as it concerns the trinity. Is he not a part of the issue here?

deSika: friend you need salvation, you need to stop making God conform to your logic, to what you think God should be and start seeing God the way he says he is from the bible. you need to humble yourself and learn. learn from the scriptures not with your wisdom but open your mind as a child

Salaam aleikun

this you just mentioned is one of the biggest errors that most of those that claim to fight for the truth make.
The bible says that the rich will build a God made of gold and evry thing expensive, the poor who cannot afford gold will build a God with wood and evry thing else they can pick from the ground around them. So also the man tht is bound to reasoning will build a God of logics and statistics for himself.

Like I ve pointed out to frosbel earlier. My interest is not to argue for the trinity. My goal is to tear down the very foundation on wich frosbel builds his argument, by showing to him from the relationship btwn God and the Holy Spirit that indeed 1+1+1 can be =1.
He has so far refused to address my question (he is smart, but not wise).

The supreme God built the system of logic as a guide to those tht are bound to canal (physical) understanding. God is way beyond the boundaries of logic.
Even scientist have come to realise that there are some universe out there where some laws of physics as we know it here are turned upside down or even in non existence. Logic as we know it here then takes a totaly different meaning in these universe.

It is not surprising that a muslim shld ve better understanding of the bible than one who actively claims to be a christian, for christ himself said that this ll be.

So frosbel, drop the intelligence and smartness (these are only the strength of the arrogant), rather embrace wisdom (it is the strength of the humble).

Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth (including all the logics therein).

@FROSBEL
you still ve not addressed my question frosbel. Have you seen the bait that you are afraid to bite this one?
Take that bite frosbel, it will open your eyes.
Give me the chance to tear your logics to pieces.
Clarify what you mean by 'God's spirit' frosbel.

Take note of this question before you give ur answer frosbel: if God is spirit, is it then logicaly right to say that God has a spirit? I do not think so, do you frosbel?

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Maxymilliano: Kehinde Bamigbetan

Iyana Ejigbo is back in the news, no thanks to the perennial flow of the water from the overfilled burrow pit behind NEPA and the challenge of completing the excavated trench between Iyana Ejigbo and the natural destination, Egbé Stream. The overfilled burrow pit is mainly due to the conversion of the temporary container into dump site despite many warning. The flow to Egbé Stream has been impeded. The stagnated water after the recent downpour have dissolved the asphalt and separated materials and the binding chemicals. The result is the pothole, particularly just after Iyana Ejigbo heading towards Ikotun.

Our effort: We reasoned that we should make the water flow into the trench first so that we can stop the dissolution of the asphalt. To do that we had to break the culvert at the entrance of Kayode Powerline Street, and then use the broken rocks to fill the pothole so that at least the lane close to the media could be motorable. Second, in agreement with LASTMA, we opened a lane on the opposite carriage at peak periods.

We are happy that the permanent solution to the de-flooding is now on course because the contractor from the Ministry of Environment that will channelise the flood concretely to the Egbé stream visited on Thursday and is expected to resume work in 12 days. Our palliative effort will surely be the beginning of the end of flooding at Iyana Ejigbo. We shall keep you informed.

show detailed pictures of all these works you claim is going on. We are not interested in just the picture of your boss.

MR KEHINDE BAMGBETAN!!!
MR KEHINDE BAMGBETAN!!!
MR KEHINDE BAMGBETAN!!!

How many times did I call your name?

cold: These ones na small tin na.The one I witnessed was a while back at a crusade ground.Everyone was screaming & gyrating fervently like the world was coming to an end.I just stood there,sticking out like a sore thumb.As the prayers reached a feverish pitch,suddenly I noticed from the corner of my eye this amputee with no arms and just a leg.At first,it seemed like an illusion,I had to wipe my eyes just to make sure I wasn't in some sort of trance but no this man's hands & leg were actually growing back.I couldn't believe it,everyone started screaming really hard now the place was electric!The whole incident might have gone on for about 30 minutes or so and then the man stood up and walked up to the pulpit,imagine!The Hallelujah was deafening!Kai na wa o!I should have written the Bible

you did not mention the church tht organised this crusade.
Any church tht organises a crusade craves publicity. So my guy there at least shld have been videos of this event taking place live on that crusade ground. Dont tell me that the church out of modesty decided to keep the tape in their secret archive. That kind event na big selling point for any church today O!

Guy talk true.

For those of that mocked him by saying he is too old to fight; I hope you are seeing this video.

uniqueval: Its a pity BASH Ali couldn't BASH his way through....

He did BASH his way through. He met with the president and spoke his case.

Like I insinuated in an ealier thread concerning thesame matter, this man is doing something that is very significant to the insightful and progressive minds but then is foolishness to the retrogressives. He has BASHED his way in to be listened to by his leader. He has fought for his right, the right to be heard.

frosbel: Please stop using the words, ignore or avoid .

The Spirit of GOD is simply GOD's spirit.

"these are the things God has revealed to us by his Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God." - 1 Corinthians 2:9

You would admit God has one Spirit not 2.

I apologise for using the word ignore.

How do you mean when you say God's spirit? Do you mean it is a spirit being that exists apart from God but that is owned by God (like I can say this is Frosbel's car), or do you mean that it is a part of God that is and exists inside of Him and therefore (at least according to your logic) cannot be separated from him.
Please clarify this.

@FROSBEL.
You ve made all ur points against Christ being God and so against the trinity. I noticed you have not made any argument against the Holy Spirit as it concerns the trinity. It is not valid that you shld ignore him(it) in your argument since he is a part of the trinity as by those who believe in it.
So, I ask you again frosbel. Who or what is the Holy Spirit. What by your understanding is the nature, essence and function of the Holy Spirit. Most importantly what is his relationship with God?
Do not ignore my question bro.

Forward to turl. He's got a thread on helping out with photoshop problems. He might be able to help.

labamo07: Who would have doubted Majek is SICK? He just made a mockery of himself. The guy wan take 100million go take crack again. Those small small boiz don tell am say na Benilyn with Codeine dey reign. He kan say na winch dey do am, na capital STUPIDITY..............

you are a baby.

@FROSBEL.
How would you describe the Holy Spirit?
Who or what would you say it is?