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The word of God is not a book. Christianity is not a book. Christianity is the understanding of the word and the doing of the word.
Any christian that supports the verdict is a mere religious christian of the world and not a christian of the 'word'.
Do not taint your spirituality with the ways and sentiments of the world.
They ll ve their time, but God ll ve His way.

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abes: Are you sure that's just flowers

guy does are flowers. Bushy and sexy flowers.

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Ok. Thank you for the help bro.

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cash22: NICE INFO. just few people are here on this topic, thats why u dont see much comments on an invaluable info such as this. naija people like rubish things and jokes that wont even benefit them

this is not much of a topic to discuss. It is just an info to read, digest, probably save page to ur pc and then move on. So u don't realy expect people to dwell on this. I don't think the poster intended it so.
So guy cool temper for Nigerians.

SLIDE waxie: smart answer. I take back the insults

wise response.

thoth: I have come across many who likes to sound civilized and modern and had employed that line of argument using Phrases like "Self control should be ENCOURAGED" " FREEDOM IS UNDENIABLE" and i have always left them to squabble on . Then at last i ask them; What do you mean by encouraged ? How would you encourage self control ?
What do you mean by FREEDOM ? do you mean freedom as in limitless freedom or does your own idea freedom has a limit ? how does the limit come about and who IMPOSES the limit ? How does the person have such rights to impose the limit when others don't ?

I would ask you to answer those questions above since many people like to behave like parrots just regurgitating what the media echoes to them without thinking deeply about it.
If you are not going to answer the questions above please don't bother to reply my post.

Do not go hostile on me now bro, it is uncalled for.

My answer to you is simple. "do unto others as you would have them do unto you".
I believe you are a grown man thoth, who can tell the difference btwn his left and his right. If you would ve no one force your ways, pls do not force other's ways.

I ve an older sister who is not well developed mentaly. Most of the times I find myself giving instructions to her (to help her in decisions she cannot take by herself) rather than the other way around, which by our traditional value it shld not be so. My family understands the situation and so are ok with it. Providence has forced this upon us, and the least I can do is be mindful of the manner by which I give her instructions. I must confess tht smetime I do (out of human ego) venture overboard to be a bit controling of her, but as a more rational person I often quickly put a stopper to control my excesses. If my older sister could think and act as an adult, I dare not try to tell her what and what not to do.
This is my personal experience bro, so when I talk abt moderation I know exactly what I am talking about.

Okay. I am going 'to' remain on this thread for the next five seconds.

thoth: Oh my God! are you actually in a democratic country ?
don't you understand it when i said all these religions will do us no good Christian or muslim or whatever religion you choose.
The Ignorance in the north is as a result of colonialism, you have to trace it back and see who it favors that they remain so. what people always fail to do whenever they get fanatic is to be rational, and i can tell you that in certain attributes you exhibit the same as the Boko Haram in that you eschew any idea that is seminal to yours. Americans sent soldiers to destroy the values of those nations, they will not necessary term it as Christian invasion but at the background the whole psychological support sets as that. what would you do when indecency is being preached to your woman, what would you do when SELF CONTROL is banished all in the name of choice. what you guys don't know is that these guys are masters of words and media experts and they choose their words in the most deceptive way, next time they would try to impose HOMOSEXUALITY on you and you will see how they and their media will craft it with words like BASIC HUMAN RIGHT, RIGHTS TO CHOOSE, SEXUAL REVOLUTION blah! blah! blah! . at that time you will see what the others are seeing when they tell you their tale. every nation has its cultures and we should all respect that. they should not move us inch by inch to their one world government and one world ideals.

I watched a documentary where the western butchers were trying to impose their promiscuity on some eastern women all in the name of Women Liberalization, it was documented how they removed the guilt from one cheating ones spouse in the name of variety, how they removed the commitment in marriage in the name of Feminist womens right to a No Cause Divorce, you just divorce when you see something better. in-fact i will not be listing them here but i will be glad if you seek more information on your own to see how your society is gradually changed to be self destructive.

Judging from ur previous post u could ve easily passed for an Islam protagonist.
I ve always echoed my views even on this forum tht God is not an Arab neither is He English. So if an African wants to behave like an Arab simply because he is a muslim, or another wants to act English simply because he is a christian, tht is his choice. He shld not in anyway try to force tht choice on me.
You can build strict rules around a child to prevent him/her from doing himself harm, but u shld not do thesame for a rational adult in the name of protection.
There is no doubt tht too much freedom can be harmful (as too much of anything can be harmful), so moderation is always vital. Nevertheless, freedom is undeniably a good thing to have. Like u ve noted, 'SELF' control rather than external control should be encouraged instead for a rational being. Agreed nt all adult humans are actualy capable of rational thinking and behaviours but these can be handles with luv and moderate rules.
Stop selling the idea tht if you can muzzle and cage the woman then the world would be a better place. This is wrong and has never been proven to be right. The man should be tamed first, then he ll ve the moral authority to tame the woman.
The woman ate the fruit and then gave to the man. Believe me, if the man had refused, tht matter would ve ended there.

thoth: Any religion could be used, christianity could be used and has been used as well.
If you study the crusades their were quotes from the bishops and psalm verses which were used on the people, they simply went on a pillage rampage in asia and north africa. This day the christians are still being used and more violent than the muslims in the form of the west and europe using the christian stance to commit atrocities all over the muslim world. Mind you these muslim nations has always been at peace relatively till the west went there to plunder them and destroy their culture with their so called christian values. The immorality that follows your christian values and adoption was wholly rejected by these population hence what followed. The new christian doctrine is nothing but a carefully designed strata to reduce the morality of any group that adopts it and thereby making it easier to exploit them and make them more ignorant.
While this is hard for the average nigerian christian to understand because his brainwashing and reprograming is almost complete to the point that he himself will condem anything that has to do with his own history and culture and extol the lax values it projects as exemplary; the muslim world has been able to preserve their culture and hence their sanity for a long time.
Anytime a terrorist acts his actions are quickly classified by the west as a religious one thereby using that same christian card to oxygenate their atrocious machines and mis-representing the actor and wholly disinforming the masses. The taliban does not act out of religious compulsion, No! They ultimately don't. Their country was invaded on a weak pretex and they fought to protect their nation and its values from disintegration. The religious theme is what binds them all in faith and in purpose. But the professional executed image blackmail by the western imperialist enemies will not let the masses know the truth as it is but will keep bombarding them with false information and misrepresentation to use that same Christian angle as a leverage for support just like The leaders of Boko Haram are doing. The people that fought in Iraq are not fighting because of religion they are fighting because their country, the nation of their ancestors and the only land they call home has been invaded,pillaged, destroyed and Occupied by a nation which has no interest in the welfare of the people . The religious theme in this scene is only a binding force and something which propels unity and a common cause.
When the babaric Christians attacked Igbo Nation the leaders of the Igbos sought a binding element to foster unity and common cause and they also found it in our common heritage and belief and as a result the Ekumeku Movement was born and hence the igbos became the only people that fought as a nation to defend a common front. Drawing youths from all over igbo land to defend the Anioma front.
Don't let the western propaganda and our media lies deceive you. We africans only have each other and the earlier we understand that and educate ourselves in the true african sense to liberate our minds and nations the better for us.

The poverty, illitracy and indoctrinations we ve in the Northern part of Nigeria today , were they also caused by 'christian values'? Where the average northerner today hardly know any thing about his world other than the Arabic(non-native) scripts tht he has been taught to resite over and over again nearly all his life. Tell me what can be more brainwashing than the situation we ve in the north today.
The so called western invasion of the so called muslim world today ve never been clearly depicted as christian values attacking Islamic values. The purpose as we know it has been to instil 'democratic' values. The most prominent of these values has been the freedom of choice. To choose for urself wht u believe is best 4 u as a rational being. The Americans never sent soldeirs into a nation to convert a muslim woman (or any muslim at all) to christianity, rather they are saying tht even as a muslim she has the right to speak and choose for herself.
You ve had d sweet freedom to air ur disgust for christian values on this forum simply because u live in a democratic world, and this christian values ll not encourage its followers to carry a knife and start looking out for ur head. Here u r enjoying the fruit of these values and yet u spit on them. If u choose to call the right to be free christian values then so it is.

thoth: May the almighty Lord bless you and your family, may he give you more knowledge and health.

The ignorance of most nigerians worries me but people like you is what gives me hope.

I honestly do not doubt lagoshia's narrative, cos the west indeed can go any lenght to achieve their self interest.
Still, recognise this. The bible says that where there is a crack in the wall the snake will crawl in. The sanke in this case wld be the West (as alluded by lagoshia) and the crack in the wall wld be the violent clause tht exist in the Islamic doctrine. As long as this clause exists and the world recognises it, the west will continue to use it to their favor.

BetaThings: A politician addressing Christian congregation. This is not Russia . They were not dragged there!
What about the pastors in Iraq? Are they politicians
So soldiers cannot be Christians?
The Vatican is not guarded by atheists

BTW Jesus did not tell the Roman centurion (a Christian) that soldiering was evil!

I notice tht you seem so quick to defend your views tht you ve the habit of not taking ur time to digest and understand the points laid out.

For one, a politician is a politician where ever or who evr he/she maybe addressing at what evr times. Thier goals and intentions are always politicaly colored (as implied in my first post; yet u missed it). If u act ignorant of this fact then this conversation is over.
Secondly I nevr in any where in my post said or even implied that soldiers are evil or that those soldiers u mentioned were not christians. I asked a simple and clear question, and I ask again. Where those particular soldiers (be they christians or whatever u want to label them) sent by the church and sanctioned by the gospel or were they sent by their Government? Pls read the post again and have a clear understanding of it before you respond, including this one.

BetaThings: Really?
1. with Palin telling a Christian congregation that the invasion was a task from God
2. With Soldiers spraying crosses on mosques and shouting Jesus kill Mohammed?
3. The one complaining was more concerned about the loss of congregation to the protestants
4. And his church's hand was bloodied in vietnam
In any case, do we have good cop, bad cop scenario

did you realy say Palin! The politician? Guy pls read my post well before you respond.
Those soldiers you allude to, were they sent by the church or were they American soldiers?

BetaThings: Sorry, Sir
Still happening

This is from Iraq

http://www.alternet.org/story/147513/how_american_right-wing_christians_are_waging_%27spiritual_warfare%27_in_northern_iraq

it is very clear tht these men have their political intentions. They have not gone around killing people in the name of Jesus have they? They wont and they can't because the gospel itself ll not back them.
Did you notice that it took another Christian to clearly speak against this (that is reforming itself).
The willingness to point out your wrongs and then address it is what makes the difference.

daywatcher: Are you serious? You think the Catholic church has become as big and influential as it is today simply by distributing leaflets? Have you heard of the Spanish inquisition? The Crusades? Closer to home, How did Catholicism became the defacto religion in SE Nigeria? Were they not help by violence and intimidation? If you do not understand my point, please say so and I will clarify.

yes. You are very right that all these happened in the 'past'. Christianity and the catholic church in particular has 'outgrown' this. The only wise means to judge and assess any progressive instituition is to compare its past with its present. As for such comparism there is no doubt how progressive the church as been over time.
No wise man judges someone or something on the bases of it's past, the present is the ultimate yardstick.
You must recognize the fact tht it took no outsider to reform the church, it was done by the church itself (this is the test of true maturity). Another thing you shld also note is that those tht over saw the crusades and the killings tht followed them never gave any scripture or verse in the gospel to back their actions (it was clearly out of the political nature of man), and tht was why the reforms were much easier to accomplish.
The fact tht man was created in dirt does not mean that man shld remain in dirt.
Leave ur past my bro, your now is who you truly are.

50calibre: We are all created in the image of God, so i think God is racemes, he would embody features of all races.

yea. Then he could ve a white face, chinese eyes, indian hair, arab legs, mexican torso and a black ass.

All I see is sand upon sand. When the strong wind blows it will be worth no more than one in the hand.
...Dewze.

I believe he can indeed build ten clinics with $1m+120m Naira, but will the same amount also pay for maintainance and staffing for the preceeding months?

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