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If I show you that Jesus was violent, right from your Bible, will you renounce Christianity which he didnt practiced, anyhow? Jesus was the Yahweh of the jews (according to you), right there from the beginning with even before Moses. Yahweh did some pretty hard stuffs. All of them by Jesus still in heaven. I will also show you his preparation for war, if I use Fela anikulapo song about "watin musician go take hammer do". You will notice that only warriors buy SWORDS in the time of Jesus.

I have showed what Muhammed said from your book and what Jesus said in the bible. Which one of the two is violent? Is it the Lamb of God that was slain for the sins of the world or muhammed  who claimed to be a prophet like other prophets in the bible when in fact we know that it was only Israel that has produced all the prophets which he converted to Islamic prophets.

Confirm this from the book and make up your mind. The only instance you are permitted is in the case of lying (takkiyya)
to prosper the "cause" of allah. I suggest you follow your mind and love everyone, it will soften the hard that has been made strong by religious violence. Christians are commanded to love everyone for it is the essence of Jesus coming into the world to die and rise. Hear what Jesus had to say in Matthew :44 and compare it with what Mohammed said in Quran 5:51 and make up your mind as to who is the real Prophet.

Matthew 5:44


But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;



Quran 5:51

O, you who believe [in the message of Muhammad], do not take Jews and Christians as friends’. They are helpers’ to one another, and the one among you who turns to them is of them.
Truly, God does not guide wrongdoing folk.

Thank you Jesoul.


Thank you for your explanations. Although some of those guys have told me about the so called spam-bot, I did not believe them because of the way they have handle issues on the board. Keep it up. You are the BOMB!

ok

No toba. It is one of those things that show that these guys are intolerant.

@ Jesoul

I respect you on this forum as the only moderator on the religion board that is impartial. The rest of the moderators on this board call them whatever names are a bunch of incompetent folks with a high level of bias that borders on absurdity. Imagine, immediately I posted the article that I complained of which those who pretend to have attended some primary school also joined to ask me to re-post, I received this message "Sorry dexmond, you've lost your forum posting privileges.

Reason: Posting a message that seems like spam.
If this is a mistake, we're so sorry about this." Tell me, who does not know that these guys have received instructions from other religious forums that censor the discussion of religious freedom on how to manipulate the security settings of Nairaland to prevent people from posting a dissenting views about religion?

Any time we have people like these guys around things always go sour! look at the robust contribution by people who don't believe in faith, at least, their scientific contributions is something worthwhile. Immediately one starts to scrutinize this so called unchallengeable faith, these anti-knowledge forces will put their spanner. No wonder, the Northern part of Nigeria is groaning under the unpopular maxim-"questions fly in the face of  *****, obey!"

I posted both on the religion section and the Islam section.

I want to complain about the unjust treatment meted out to me by the religion moderators. I did a well researched article on Muhammed. It was titled " Muhammed's obsession with woman" But to my utter amazement, wily Muslims did not allow it to stay. There was no abusive words, purely an academic exercise. It just goes to show that Muslims have many things to hide and we will continue to expose them.

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Vintage Islam. Compare what Quran teaches with how Jesus handled the famous case of the adulterous woman. JESUS REMAINS LORD! ISLAM is DECEIT.

FEC WANT TO ROB US THROUGH THIS BOOK THING. IS PRIMARY EDUCATION ON THE EXCLUSIVE LIST?

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I will prefer to refer a born-again christian who commits sin as a transgressor. Note however, that the transgressor and the unregenerated sinner will end up in the same place-hell

alufa jarus! happy birthday.

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Obama is a Muslim. He deceived the world by claiming to be a christian. We all know it is commanded in the quran to lie in order to spread Islam. What a religion!Obama was planted by Saudi Arabia. Carry out a research on the internet you will be surprised.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Jhx_2TqffE&feature=player_embedded

@vedaxcool

24 Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.
25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.
26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

29 My Father, which gave [them] me, is greater than all; and no [man] is able to pluck [them] out of my Father's hand.
30 I and [my] Father are one.

Meaning Him and God are one in purpose that is the context of the verse.

Furthermore the vserse I quoted indicate barbarous teachings in the bible.

Have you heard that a man can give his fellow man eternal life? To show that Jesus was not one of the prophets of the Israelites, he made that comment.  "28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any [man] pluck them out of my hand."

Furthermore the vserse I quoted indicate barbarous teachings in the bible

What you quoted was not a teaching, rather it was about what would happen to the people of Israel if they break the covenant.

I understand the  power that went through the girl to act that way. She new the consequence of her action, she new that the Muslims will behead her after doing that, but God saved her. It will be  wrong If Muslims decide to take the laws into their own hands. If they want justice they should go about it in a civilized way. Two wrongs can not make a right, let us see how 21st century Muslims in an academic environment will act.

You quoted scriptures without asking any questions about them. Kindly ask your questions.

Thank you Aletheia

@ Chakula

Where are bible evidence to show that Jesus never claimed those things which you mentioned. I want to respond to some of them.

@ Poster

You may not fully understand what is in the bible since you are not a Christian. But I will still go ahead and try to explain not as one who have perfect knowledge of the bible nor God, but as one who believe whatever the bible declares.

I will like to point out that it was faith in God and ones own righteousness that guarantees one a place in Abraham bosom (Paradise), for the Old testament saints did not go into heaven directly.

Genesis 15:6

And he (Abraham) believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.

Ezekiel 18:27

Again, when the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive.

It was at the resurrection that the gate opened .

Ephesian 4:8

Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.

When the final day comes we shall have all our questions answered. The bible calls the things of God mysteries.

@ Italo

Ahh! Peter was never a bishop in Rome talkless of being a Pope there. If he were at Rome, why did the Apostle Paul not acknowledge him when he wrote to the Church supposedly headed by "Pope Peter" there? Here I reproduce Roman 16:1-27. More than twenty names were mentioned, and you know that "Pope Peter" should have come first!


Think about it.


Romans Chapter 16:1-27



1 I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea:

2 That ye receive her in the Lord, as becometh saints, and that ye assist her in whatsoever business she hath need of you: for she hath been a succourer of many, and of myself also.

3 Greet Priscilla and Aquila my helpers in Christ Jesus:

4 Who have for my life laid down their own necks: unto whom not only I give thanks, but also all the churches of the Gentiles.

5 Likewise [greet] the church that is in their house. Salute my wellbeloved Epaenetus, who is the firstfruits of Achaia unto Christ.

6 Greet Mary, who bestowed much labour on us.

7 Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellowprisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.

8 Greet Amplias my beloved in the Lord.

9 Salute Urbane, our helper in Christ, and Stachys my beloved.

10 Salute Apelles approved in Christ. Salute them which are of Aristobulus' [household].

11 Salute Herodion my kinsman. Greet them that be of the [household] of Narcissus, which are in the Lord.

12 Salute Tryphena and Tryphosa, who labour in the Lord. Salute the beloved Persis, which laboured much in the Lord.

13 Salute Rufus chosen in the Lord, and his mother and mine.

14 Salute Asyncritus, Phlegon, Hermas, Patrobas, Hermes, and the brethren which are with them.

15 Salute Philologus, and Julia, Nereus, and his sister, and Olympas, and all the saints which are with them.

16 Salute one another with an holy kiss. The churches of Christ salute you.

17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

19 For your obedience is come abroad unto all [men]. I am glad therefore on your behalf: but yet I would have you wise unto that which is good, and simple concerning evil.

20 And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ [be] with you. Amen.

21 Timotheus my workfellow, and Lucius, and Jason, and Sosipater, my kinsmen, salute you.

22 I Tertius, who wrote [this] epistle, salute you in the Lord.

23 Gaius mine host, and of the whole church, saluteth you. Erastus the chamberlain of the city saluteth you, and Quartus a brother.

24 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ [be] with you all. Amen.

25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

27 To God only wise, [be] glory through Jesus Christ for ever. Amen.

@ Italo

I mean to say the Roman Catholic Church OK. the word catholic means universal.

@Vedaxcool

I will like to believe you but the following verses stops me from doing that
viticus 26:29

    You will eat the flesh of your sons and the flesh of your daughters.

The full verses of the scriptures are here provided and explanation given. I dont claim to know God absolutely, for one can only know God in part. Moses who was very close to God was not even given the privilege of seeing the face of God notwithstanding the relation that existed between him and God. It was only Jesus who knew him perfectly well for He and God are one!

John 10:24-30

24 Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.

25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.

26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any [man] pluck them out of my hand.

29 My Father, which gave [them] me, is greater than all; and no [man] is able to pluck [them] out of my Father's hand.

30 I and [my] Father are one.


Back to the verse you brought up. I want to produce the verses from 13-43

13 I [am] the LORD your God, which brought you forth out of the land of Egypt, that ye should not be their bondmen; and I have broken the bands of your yoke, and made you go upright.

14 But if ye will not hearken unto me, and will not do all these commandments;

15 And if ye shall despise my statutes, or if your soul abhor my judgments, so that ye will not do all my commandments, [but] that ye break my covenant:

16 I also will do this unto you; I will even appoint over you terror, consumption, and the burning ague, that shall consume the eyes, and cause sorrow of heart: and ye shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it.

17 And I will set my face against you, and ye shall be slain before your enemies: they that hate you shall reign over you; and ye shall flee when none pursueth you.

18 And if ye will not yet for all this hearken unto me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins.

19 And I will break the pride of your power; and I will make your heaven as iron, and your earth as brass:

20 And your strength shall be spent in vain: for your land shall not yield her increase, neither shall the trees of the land yield their fruits.

21 And if ye walk contrary unto me, and will not hearken unto me; I will bring seven times more plagues upon you according to your sins.

22 I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children, and destroy your cattle, and make you few in number; and your [high] ways shall be desolate.

23 And if ye will not be reformed by me by these things, but will walk contrary unto me;

24 Then will I also walk contrary unto you, and will punish you yet seven times for your sins.

25 And I will bring a sword upon you, that shall avenge the quarrel of [my] covenant: and when ye are gathered together within your cities, I will send the pestilence among you; and ye shall be delivered into the hand of the enemy.

26 [And] when I have broken the staff of your bread, ten women shall bake your bread in one oven, and they shall deliver [you] your bread again by weight: and ye shall eat, and not be satisfied.

27 And if ye will not for all this hearken unto me, but walk contrary unto me;

28 Then I will walk contrary unto you also in fury; and I, even I, will chastise you seven times for your sins.

29 And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat.

30 And I will destroy your high places, and cut down your images, and cast your carcases upon the carcases of your idols, and my soul shall abhor you.

31 And I will make your cities waste, and bring your sanctuaries unto desolation, and I will not smell the savour of your sweet odours.

32 And I will bring the land into desolation: and your enemies which dwell therein shall be astonished at it.

33 And I will scatter you among the heathen, and will draw out a sword after you: and your land shall be desolate, and your cities waste.

34 Then shall the land enjoy her sabbaths, as long as it lieth desolate, and ye [be] in your enemies' land; [even] then shall the land rest, and enjoy her sabbaths.

35 As long as it lieth desolate it shall rest; because it did not rest in your sabbaths, when ye dwelt upon it.

36 And upon them that are left [alive] of you I will send a faintness into their hearts in the lands of their enemies; and the sound of a shaken leaf shall chase them; and they shall flee, as fleeing from a sword; and they shall fall when none pursueth.

37 And they shall fall one upon another, as it were before a sword, when none pursueth: and ye shall have no power to stand before your enemies.

38 And ye shall perish among the heathen, and the land of your enemies shall eat you up.

39 And they that are left of you shall pine away in their iniquity in your enemies' lands; and also in the iniquities of their fathers shall they pine away with them.

40 If they shall confess their iniquity, and the iniquity of their fathers, with their trespass which they trespassed against me, and that also they have walked contrary unto me;

41 And [that] I also have walked contrary unto them, and have brought them into the land of their enemies; if then their uncircumcised hearts be humbled, and they then accept of the punishment of their iniquity:

42 Then will I remember my covenant with Jacob, and also my covenant with Isaac, and also my covenant with Abraham will I remember; and I will remember the land.

43 The land also shall be left of them, and shall enjoy her sabbaths, while she lieth desolate without them: and they shall accept of the punishment of their iniquity: because, even because they despised my judgments, and because their soul abhorred my statutes.

Explanation:

After God had handed down the commandments/covenant from verses 1-12, he now told the Israelites the consequence of not keeping the rules. You may be surprised that the Israelites actually ate their children's flesh when the king of Assyria laid a siege over their country 2kings6:8 "Then the king of Syria warred against Israel, and took counsel with his servants, saying, In such and such a place [shall be] my camp.". 2kings 6:26-30.

I hope that has clarified your mind about the God of the bible.

@ Vedaxcool

I don't hate Muslims, they are God's precious creature just as Buddhists, Hindus, pagans etc are! Islam claims to follow the path of the Prophets of ancient Israel, if that is the case, why is Islam 100% different from Judaism and Christianity?

I just want to correct misconception about the new testament been written by the catholic church without joing in the arguement. The apostles were non-denominational christians. In other words, they were not catholics. Therefore, the new testament was not written by catholics.

@ OLADEEGBU


The beast is waiting to take over properly. The natural man can not understand spiritual things because he thinks they are foolishness. Those who think the documentary is rubbish does not understand the war between the forces of darkness and the power of light. The devil indeed is crafty. He that has an ear let him hear.

@ Abdul
Islam actually teaches marriage to pre-pubescent girls. In the Quran, Mohammed talked about the Idah (the waiting period of a divorcee woman before she could re-marry). Mohammed mentioned the waiting period of a child that has not started menstruating. The question now is, how did a child end up among those class of women mentioned if she were never married in the first instance? Or is there a mistake in the Quran?

Quran 65:4

And if you are in doubt as to the prescribed period for such of your women as have despaired of monthly courses, then know that the prescribed period for them is three months, and also for such as do not have their monthly courses yet. And as for those who are with child, their period shall be until they are delivered of their burden. And whoso fears ALLAH, HE will provide facilities for him in his affair.