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FighterPilot: WOW!!!! THAT WAS SAD NEWS INDEED. I COULDN'T BELIEVE THAT NIGERIANS WITH THE KIND OF EDUCATION PURPORTED TO BE THE BEST BY @AGAUGUST AND HIS BUDDIES CAN EVER PRODUCE SUCH A WEAK STRUCTURE OF BUILDING WHICH COLLAPSED

The cause of all this is the same thing that has rendered their military effectively toothless. Corruption. Such a conspicuous building. How could they just pile on additional floors just like that?

Armoured vehicles have always been our thing. This is at El Gumu where we captured an enemy outpost.

Ze capshon says:"In 1939, South Africa was ill-prepared for large-scale, prolonged warfare.Within two years she was able to supply armaments and other war supplies to her own troops in the field, as well as to the armed forces of other Allied countries".

To everyone talking about the SANDF being underfunded (during times of peace ), take note.

Patrolling ze wotters. WWII. Catalina.

Msauza: A COUNTRY THAT HAS THE BEST CIVIL AND BUILDING ENGINEERS IN AFRICA KILLED MORE THAN 67 SOUTH AFRICANS WITH AN AMATURE STRUCTURE WHICH COLLAPSED AND CLAIM LIVES OF BREADWINNERS. WHY IS IT THAT SOUTH AFRICANS WITH THEIR SECOND DULLEST BRAINS ALWAYS BUILD MORE SECURE BUILDINGS THAT ENSURE SAFETY OF GOOD STANDARDS TO ITS OCCUPANTS?

Good question.

1950. Dornier 27. Y'all know what time it is. That's it right thurrrr. I love this photo.

WWII logbook entry. "Clare Scott's granddad's". Note the last entry: dual dive bombing .

That dude.

Our Gripiddy grip. "Wot it do"

SAAF doing what they do in Angola. What experience does the NAF have?

Here's a rare picture. SAAF and Rhodesian air force bombing in Angola.

•Leased aircraft released to Nigerian govt • Oritsejafor, others clarify ownership of private jet
• Military, Boko Haram clash in Konduga

Senator Iroegbu and Paul Obi
Following the admission by the Nigerian government that the $9.3 million cash, which was seized by South African customs officials, was legitimate and had the stamp of approval of the Nigerian intelligence community, the federal government has opened diplomatic talks with the South African government to reach an amicable resolution of the incident, THISDAY has learnt.

The South African police had on Monday said they had launched an investigation, following the seizure of the $9.3 million cash found stashed in the luggage of two Nigerians and an Israeli who had flown into Johannesburg’s Lanseria Airport in a private aircraft.


The money, which was meant for the procurement of arms, was detained and passed on to the South African central bank, because it was undisclosed, undeclared and above the prescribed legal limit for bringing cash into the country, the country’s customs officials explained.

However, a source from the presidency, who disclosed the government-to-government talks yesterday to some select journalists, also said the federal government had released data and documents on the arms deal to the South African authorities.
According to the source, “The bi-focal diplomatic talks with South Africa are at the governmental level and exchanges by intelligence services of the two nations.”

The source said following the preliminary diplomatic talks, the Bombardier Challenger aircraft, with US registration N808HG, might have been released to the Nigerian government pending the conclusion of a comprehensive investigation by the South African government.

It was further revealed that the high level discussion also covered sharing of vital security information to prove that the deal was legitimate and necessary.
The government’s position was said to have been strengthened by the fact that findings revealed that the South African government had only faulted the non-declaration of the cash by the two Nigerian passengers and the Israeli.

Speaking on the efforts being made so far to resolve the incident, the source said: “Nigeria and South Africa are getting closer to a diplomatic resolution of the incident over the $9.3 million cash. The two nations have opened up discussions.

“The federal government has submitted relevant data and documents on the arms transaction to South Africa and insisted that the transaction was legitimate.


“It also clarified that the funds were not laundered or smuggled for any covert activites. No person will be that audacious to fly into a country in a chartered jet with such a huge amount of cash.

“The technical details on security matters, which necessitated the desk had been availed to South Africa for screening, but a procedural error occurred.”
Based on initial scrutiny of the documents, the source disclosed that the Challenger aircraft has been released to the Nigerian government, pending the conclusion of a full-scale investigation by South Africa.

The source further provided clarification on why South Africa impounded the cash, saying: “There was a procedural error at the airport, the team did not declare the $9.3 million contrary to the aviation and customs laws in South Africa.

“So there was an oversight on the part of the delegation that went to complete the transaction. Nigeria is trying to complete the formalities and we are confident that the cash will be released for the purpose it was meant for.”

He maintained that the movement of cash for the strategic purchase of security equipment by the intelligence service is not new, adding, “It is a global trend. The FBI, KGB, MOSSAD and others do it.”

THISDAY further learnt that the ammunition, which was being procured for the immediate prosecution of the war against Boko Haram, included arms and a military helicopter, and was approved by an intelligence office close to the presidency.

An official in the office informed THISDAY that the matter would soon be resolved and that the decision to use cash instead of routing it through the banking system stemmed from the urgency of the transaction.

He said the purchase of arms from countries like the US and other Western nations often take much longer because of compliance issues.

As a result, certain security organisations resort to the use of cash for the purchase of ammunition from certain defence equipment manufacturers to speed up the process.


Meanwhile, a news report linking the President of the Christian Association of Nigeria (CAN), Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor, with the aircraft was clarified by the cleric yesterday.

In a statement by his aide, Bayo Adewoye, Oritsejafor admitted that he owned some residual interest in the company, Eagle Air, but said he was not the operator of the aircraft.

In the statement, the CAN president said: “The Word of Life Bible Church has been made aware of the recent media interest regarding an aircraft (Bombardier Challenger 600, Registration No N808HG) owned by The Company Eagle Air in which our Pastor, Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor, holds a residual interest.

“We can confirm that although he holds an interest in Eagle Air, the aircraft in question is not operated by Pastor Oritsejafor.

The aircraft owned by Eagle Air Company, which has confirmed that since 2nd August 2014, the aircraft has been leased to and is operated by Green Coast Produce Limited.”


He explained that this is standard practice in the industry and advised that any and all enquiries in respect of the day-to-day operations of this aircraft should be directed to the management of Green Coast Produce Limited.
He added that he would be happy to help the authorities with any enquiries. ...

More...http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/-9-3m-traced-to-intelligence-agency-as-nigeria-s-africa-open-talks-on-seized-cash/189231/

Now the question is how intelligent is Nigerian intelligentsia if they are busted by a low-level customs setup at Lanseria? Hmmm?

So, the Nigerian government has confirmed that it owns the money confiscated in South Africa.

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2014/09/fg-defends-9-3m-cash-seized-s-africa-releases-data-transaction/

Who was the emotional debater the rejected the story of these people working with Nigerian intelligentsia? So much for trying to buy South African weapons undercover. So much for "having everything SA has".

Johannesburg - A team of South African experts in the identification of bodies and in search and rescue operations is scheduled to fly to Lagos on Wednesday, to complete the task of identifying the 67 South Africans killed when a church building collapsed in that city on Friday.

Officials said that the government would later fly relatives of those who died, to Lagos to help identify them.

And they said that the government's Joint Operations team - comprising security and disaster relief agencies - would meet on Wednesday to decide whether South Africa should send a full search and rescue team to help the Nigerian authorities.

On Tuesday a woman was brought out of the rubble of the building still alive and barely scathed so the chances of finding more survivors cannot be ruled out.

The Nigerian government has reassured Pretoria that it has the situation under control but South African diplomats on the ground in Lagos have told their head office that they are not so sure.

South African officials complained earlier on Tuesday that one of the reasons it was taking so long to determine if any South Africans had been killed or injured in the accident was that Nigerian authorities were not cooperating.

But it emerged last night that the mail culprit was the Synagogue Church of All Nations itself, and its leader, the self-styled prophet and faith healer TB Joshua.

The South African officials said that all the South Africans – like the hundreds of other foreign visitors to the church – had had to surrender their passports when they arrived there.

This made identification of bodies and nationalities more difficult than it should have been.

And the officials said that the church had at first refused to allow Nigerian rescue personnel onto the site after the building collapsed on Friday.

Joshua has been insinuating that the Nigerian Islamist terror group Boko Haram was behind the collapse but Nigerian disaster relief officials said the more likely cause was that construction workers were adding two extra storeys to the four storey building without reinforcing the foundations.

Motlalentoa: I'm not sure what y'all expect me to say about people who worshipped a man more than God the creator.

Is God only in Nigeria and confined to a single man, that these individuals had no other alternative, but to travel across borders to seek Him?

I hear you there. I understand they were silly. But they are dead now. And they have friends and family who loved them. South African friends and family. That's why we are standing together. Surely if your family did something silly and died, you'd look for support too? Be South African. Be great.

Motlalentoa: Useless people. They left Mbhoro here in Mzansi and flew to their deaths - all for stickers and bottled water

Well, yeah, maybe. I also think it's gullible of them to do this. But look, they are still South Africans. And for that reason, we need to be with their families in spirit. That's what we do.

As a South African, I don't think that this thread should be allowed to turn into the typical SA vs Naija thing that I've also participated in. Most of the posters have been supportive and encouraging, especially @Rickkid, with the beautiful message. Thank you to those Nigerians. The dissing will happen another day! Not today.

tdayof: Fact: u r clueless

So clueless I blessed you with stats and all you have to offer is emotion and incoherence. Looks like I stumped ya.

tdayof: The second most powerful country: China

Chinese national flag

Composite Index: 2
Economic Capability: 2
Military Capability: 3
Population Capability: 1
Technological Capability: 10
Energy Security: 14
Foreign Affairs Capability: 9

Population: 1,350,695,000
GDP (nominal): $8.939 trillion
Area: 9,706,961 km2
Active military personnel: 2,285,000

Note: China ranks number one as the most populous country in the world and comes in second in terms of[b] economic power.[/b] Analysts predict that [b]China will overtake the US [/b]before 2030, according to the International Futures model.

I'm convinced you're uneducated. You have no clue what to measure, compare and how to measure it. You're just spewing numbers you have no clue the meaning of.

the question is simple - on what ground can South Africa's DEVELOPMENT not be compared to China's?

Do you even know what DEVELOPMENT is? Yes? No?

When you're ready with real stats, we will be more than happy to see what you've got. So far, you've just told us that china is bigger. Rubbish assessment. nigeria is bigger than Switzerland or similar today. So what? Your precious china is bigger than Germany. So? Use the right measures for the right things. Don't be ignorant.

Patchesagain: yes, a state of decline from a level that Nigeria could not even comprehend, and a state that Nigeria will never acheive. A decline that is about to be ended by a boost in military spending that Nigeria has never achieved nor will it ever achieve - some $9 Billion is ear-marked

Our military is not broke, its underfunded... how many new projects have been announced this year alone? Does that sound broke to you?

Yes, our PEACETIME military would have trouble with conducting a long term war. But, if our security situation were to deteriorate we could feild an army that is superior to the SADF - which was the best military Africa had ever seen.

the fact remains that our PEACETIME military is superior to your WARTIME military.

the fact remains that our PEACETIME military is better funded than your WARTIME military

the fact remains that our PEACETIME military is better equipped than your WARTIME military

In times of peace we are superior, can you even comprehend what we are capable of in times of war?

and dont argue about definitions with me, clown

rev·o·lu·tion/ˌrɛvəˈluʃən/
–noun
1. an overthrow or repudiation and the thorough replacement of an established government or political system by the people governed.
2. Sociology. a radical and pervasive change in society and the social structure, esp. one made suddenly and often accompanied by violence. Compare social evolution.
3. a sudden, complete or marked change in something: the present revolution in church architecture.
4. a procedure or course, as if in a circuit, back to a starting point.


in·sur·gen·cy/ɪnˈsɜrdʒənsi
–noun, plural, -cies for 4.
1. the state or condition of being insurgent.
2. insurrection against an existing government, usually one's own, by a group not recognized as having the status of a belligerent.
3. rebellion within a group, as by members against leaders

Finally, we dealt with the insurgency, apartheid ended because of POLITICAL not MILITARY factors. ANC military formations bigger than small cells of bombers were a non-entity in South Africa. No enemy force was able to establish a permanent base in South African (and Namibian) territory after 1970. No South African towns were captured - Can Nigeria say the same?

Your argument has been weighed, measured and found wanting

Come back when you know what you are talking about

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MikeZA: Don't mix things up.

How many soldiers are HIV+ in your military?

They have no idea. He himself could be HIV+ but no one knows their status in that land.

FighterPilot: ALREADY MILLIONS OF NIGERIANS IN SA HAVE BEEN FASCINATED AND ATTRACTED, NOTHING TO SAY MUCH. I MEAN NO HARM.

Ouch.

fydence: hahahaha...sorry I'm nt in the Mur.der capital..I'm fully at rest... U shld go check ur bathroom now, u are the one who cant rest...you see?? ? ? DELUSION!!

You know you're washed out when you have to recycle the same thing ten times. Can't walk away because the butt hurts. here, here. Should teach you to play in the mud when you aren't smart enough.

fydence: hehehehe...more delusions and mouthfarts.... Take ur boasts to Lesotho...they will bow to u...bt here, nah... We go cure ur crase!!

I thought you were done. Looks like your heart knows the truth. You got walloped and you can't rest.

tdayof: AM DONE WITH YOU GUYS .
ABOVE ALL
[size=43pt]KEEP DREAMING
JOSEPH jnr[/size]

I see the frustration has made you loud. Bring stats. Not loudness. You have been baptised with facts and in response you have large font.

Peep this out ->[size=24pt]YOU ARE DONE[/size]

SA is the ONLY red category country in Africa. Fact.

fydence: there is nothing u will bring from ur country of psychos that I cant tear to pieces. All ur mouth farts have bn responded to 3 for 1...so stop being a siss.y with Maximum Delusion and Comprehension issiues

All you got today was butthurt. Nothing gained for your long venture.

fydence: I'm thru with you southie!!! Your body dn cool u now abi, u wn form one thing for here...RUBBISH!! Hahah boasting abt dealing with boko haram..when insurgents took over ur country and common theives perform disappearing acts in ur territory...work on ur comprehension skills then maybe u'l be worth my time.
***Hint: With reference to 'disappearing acts', plsssss...This post doesnt mean Zuma is a Magician o...Comprehension is a national problem is south africa

You are just through. Finished in other words. Achieved nothing in others. Done.

tdayof: And moreover china ... Malaysia may b included among newly industrialized countries.
But d rate in which their industries develop is far better and faster than that of SOUTH AFRICA

Stop being ignorant. Let's take LPI rankings alone. Hong Kong, China - LPI rank 28. SA - 34. Same red category. Nigeria 75! Orange

Look at Russia if you wish. 90!

Just LPI. Not much. http://lpi.worldbank.org/international/global?sort=asc&order=Infrastructure

You have brought zero facts to the table and you keep fighting with stats. How ignorant is that?

tdayof: Keep dreaming

Because the facts infront of you are dreams. you are not exactly covering yourself with glory denying facts in front of you.