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Politics / Re: Fuel Subsidy Removed - Full Transcript Of Press Release From The Pppra by dmainboss: 10:44pm On Jan 01, 2012
swezenberg:

What you need to know is that you can't dine with the devils and say you are clean. Jonathan is in a very wrong party for me to expect anything good from him. Nothing good can come out of PDP. It is a fact you need to understand. I posted on his candidacy before the election and am glad his supporters are seeing the result of their flaws.

May the Lord keep us till 2013 and we'll both come around here to evaluate this step taken by the GEJ govt

Points like these will always have us disagree. I dont like it when you turn the Nigerian problem into party affairs. It is wrong. I am currently in Edo state for the holidays and here, most former members of the PDP have decamped to the ACN. Does that mean they are now righteous because they have left the PDP? It is wrong when some of you make Nigerian problem a PDP problem. Nigeria has been going down long before PDP was founded. The PDP is the ruling party so you find a lot of interest there. If ACN or CPC become the ruling party today, just like in Edo state, all the politicians will decamp there. So will you then start to fight ACN or CPC? The same ACN choose Atiku who was a known crook as their flag bearer in 2007 just to see if they can wrest power. So please let us address the root problem instead of making partisan statements. Some of the best governors in the country today are from the same PDP. So when you say nothing good can come out of PDP, you are so wrong. Akpabio, Amaechi and Chime are examples of PDP governors doing great. The issues we should always address are bad politicians and bad and greedy mindsets of our leaders, not parties.

cap28:

It continues to boggle my mind that there are still quite a few nigeirans on this forum who continue to support  this subsidy removal.  Does it mean that these people are not affected by the high unemployment, high cost of living,substandard services, poor infrastructure etc

Even in countries like Greece and Ireland where people enjoy a standard of living that is beyond the reach of  most nigerians, the people of these countries still came out en masse on the streets to challenge their govts  plan to implement austerity measures.

Maybe its still too early to tell what the outcome of this subsidy removal will be in nigeria  



Well I am surprised that people like you come here post things like these. I have travelled many countries and Nigeria has one of the lowest cost of living. In these countries you mention, you have as high as 45 percent tax. In Nigeria,  most people pay 0 tax. fact. Nobody bothers you in Nigeria. fact. The major things we suffer in Nigeria are infrastructures like power and roads. As for cots of living, we do not have higher cost of living than all these countries you mention. My friends in UK are living from hand to mouth. They cant hardly buy anything for themselves. We go from here to UK and take them out.
Politics / Re: Fuel Subsidy Removed - Full Transcript Of Press Release From The Pppra by dmainboss: 10:23pm On Jan 01, 2012
swezenberg:

dmainboss,

I love your argument but if you were to be fair on the common man would you have taken this step without considering any step to cushion in the effect of this policy on the man that is still struggling with the present minimum wage in the country.

Just put yourself in their picture.

Totally agree with you that there should be cushions and we must continue to demand that. But i beg to disagree that labor is the common man. I hate political cliches and that is one that has been peddled for too long. labor is not Nigeria. Their population is very small. Making policies in Nigeria along the lines of what labor wants is one of the things that have stunted our progress. How can you make major laws for a country of 160million people based on the demands of less than 2 million people? In fact labor is not even up to a million.
Politics / Re: Fuel Subsidy Removed - Full Transcript Of Press Release From The Pppra by dmainboss: 10:16pm On Jan 01, 2012
swezenberg:

^^^^^^^^^^^ do you trust this government that much? With all the lies about Bokoharam, to constant power etc

My friend, you can't just wake up and be skeptical over everything. It is bad for the health. The FOI bill is there for you to get info. Use it. The only people who have tried to say there is no subsidy are politicians and public commentators seeking relevance. Even labor and Journalists agree that there is subsidy. And they also agree that the cost is high. Even the ACN governors who are sopposed to be opposition, agreed there is subsidy. Dont you think if what the government says is a lie, they are in a better position to know? I will not come here with a smile on my face and say remove subsidy. It is a hard decision and one that will bring some pain, but the bigger picture and my point is, we are living on welfare in Nigeria and it is the wrong way to run government. The military started all this mess and it must stop someday. I don't envy GEJ. He is the dirty Harry that has to do all the dirty cleanups and it aint a pleasant job to do.
Politics / Re: Fuel Subsidy Removed - Full Transcript Of Press Release From The Pppra by dmainboss: 10:07pm On Jan 01, 2012
swezenberg:

Mikeansy,

You have said it all. Jonathan has created another account for the treasury looters to go on looting spree. What makes you think the money saved will ever come back to the people.

A Fed Govt that could not commission single pedestrian bridge. Babangida in all his Atrocities commissioned the 3rd mainland bridge. What has this administration done for the people?

Just to flex muscle on the ownership of Federal roads in Lagos. This is the worst we've ever had.

Hissssssssssed!



In your anger, which I fully understand, you have made a few missteps. 3rd mainland bridge was a project spanning more than 9 years. It was started long before Babangida's time. If Jonathan wanted to loot money, he would have simply stayed with fuel subsidy. It is easier to connive with fuel importers to steal money than to let it remain in the Nigerian government system, not to talk of all the pressures the whole episode has put him thru. He has actually made a much more difficult decision
Politics / Re: Fuel Subsidy Removed - Full Transcript Of Press Release From The Pppra by dmainboss: 10:02pm On Jan 01, 2012
lastpage:

I am amazed at the reasoning capacity of some people here!
Some have said we need "to save money"!
One said the removal will be an incentive to refine it locally, what about the previous price hikes?
Some have said we need to remove the money so we can enjoy "computer like America"!
Some even said that we like free things and the subsidy removal is desirable.
So we need to remove fuel subsidy hike the price of PMS before we can have "critical thinking" or "get innovative"?
Its even very laughable when you hear people say the "price hike" will clear the road of Okada! Does simple common sense not tell you that they will simply transfer the cost to the end-user by simply raising transport cost? Or will people begin to trek long distance?
Arrant and silly rationalizations from immature minds!

Cant these people just REFLECT ONE BIT?
*IBB increased the price of the same PMS a few times during his govt, Tell me what it translated to, in the LIVES OF NIGERIANS?
*OBJ increased the same PMS Price, seven times in Eight Years.
What was the benefit to the average Nigerian? Or was it not the same reason they gave you people?
*DId they build any new refinery [/b]between IBB and Umaru Yar Ardua/Jonathan's  regime?
*If they never kept their word before now (even the more honorable looters, talk-less of a GEJ that allocated =N=5Billion to renovate his wife's NGO office), what makes you think this "Shoeless Liar without any form of shame", will keep his word this time?

[b]Look, l have always said it, if Nigerians allow some thieving fools in government to make life impossible and they take it lying low, then they deserve to suffer till death!
Freedom is never given FREE, you fight for your FREEDOM. Niegrains must BRING this Govt DOWN.
The "Oppressors" will never be satisfied.





What is thieving in someone telling you, you have to pay for what you used and he doesnt want to pay for you anymore? Was it government that gave birth to you? Stopping subsidy is not the same thing as stealing your money my friend. Moreover, it is not about saving money. It is about not spending more than you earn. Nigerian spends more than she earns by subsidizing. We cannot afford it anymore.

But the final solution though is split the country. We have a 36 state country where only about six states take care of the rest. That is a very very bad way of doing business. And the six states are among the smallest states. Imagine states like kano with 40 local governments yet they add nothing to the federation. How can we continue to live like this.
Politics / Re: Fuel Subsidy Removed - Full Transcript Of Press Release From The Pppra by dmainboss: 9:55pm On Jan 01, 2012
All this doomsday talk is just laughable. It will be painful alright but it is far from all this doomsday rant here on NL. Many parts of Nigeria, especially the south east, has had to pay between N100 to N150 per litre before for a months and hell didnt break loose. I want subsidy, but I dont want subsidy on consumer products. I want subsidy on production facilities. That is the right kind of subsidy.  We should advocate the following

1. A national database. This is one of our biggest problems in Nigeria. The reason banks will not give loans to upstart companies is majorly because there is no national database. I speak from experience. Why would you give someone a loan when you cannot verify his real status and location.
2. We need a full and immediately deregulation of the power sector. I have personally written to the president through his Facebook page and I hope he gets my message. Deregulate power now!
3. We need to encourage small scale industries. People keep talking about labor. What percentage of Nigerians actually work for the government? Very insignificant. The much larger part of the people work in the private sector. That is why it is wrong that government over the years have made too many policies with labor in mind when they form a very small part of Nigeria. That is one reason I hardly support labor strike. I will only support strikes that solve issues bothering majority of Nigerians.
Politics / Re: Breaking News: GEJ Declares State of Emergency in selected LGAs in Borno, Yobe, Niger and Plateau. by dmainboss: 1:52am On Jan 01, 2012
@oyb

Sorry, I dont respond to ignorant rants from partisan bigots. Not my thing, sorry! Try another lane.
Politics / Re: Breaking News: GEJ Declares State of Emergency in selected LGAs in Borno, Yobe, Niger and Plateau. by dmainboss: 8:58pm On Dec 31, 2011
2mch:

cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy

We thank God for GEJ. His beauty pageant is over. I dont know if he thought ruling a chaotic country like Nigeria is beans. And he will rule without any blood on his hands. Anyway, lets see what action he will take. This administration has been known to blow big grammar with no substance, thought or action. grin. First stop let us trap that alj harem in a net on this NL. That guy is a big snake and part of the problem. He has not commented here, I hope his village is surrounded. tongue

In the midst of all these ignorant posts, you find some sensible few. The bolded explains GEJ's attitude so far. Whether he is right to act like that, i cannot say and would not defend it, but he would have prefered to solved things with dialog. You can also call it a naive stance and you might be right. But it is certainly not weakness. But he has begun to realise that is impossible in the Nigerian situation. Things are a lot more complex than what most of you post here. These guys work with security reports and know things you and I dont know. Most of you just talk like ruling a country is 1+1=2. There are very deep things you hear and see when you are in government. You cannot even mention them. So you only shake your head when you hear people making all kinds of comment.

Like someone said, everyone has become a security expert. In Nigeria, everyone is a coach. But only the coach sees the team training and only with such knowledge can you make good judgements. Some of you talking here, if they tell you only 1 or 2 secrets about Nigeria, you will faint. That is why you wont see military men, especially those above lieutement positions talking anyhow.

GEJ cannot just declare state of emergency anyhow. Declaring a state of emergency is a serious business. It has been the begining of many wars and coups. It is not childs play.

Talking about Boko Aram moving to other states. It doesnt work like that. A terrorist cell cannot just change base. It is not that simple. They have taking time to build trust in the communities where they live. They need to appear normal wherever they live. That is why is is not easy to move down south. By this state of emergency coupled with the closure of the borders, they will be somewhat incapacitated. But again, some of their structures already on the ground might still function but their capacity to grow will be greatly hampered.

Another misconception here is that BH can just spread their wings all over the country. It is not tht simple. What you are witnessing is a development that has span ten years or more. The warnings started going out that Al Qaeda was building a base in Nigeria since 2001, after sept 11. Succesive governments didnt take it serious. The truth is that this is not the regular BH that were wearing blue berets, This is Al Qaeda with a jihad mission but placating as BH.

The real people that can really stop this madness are the northen leaders. But they dont want to because they are more interested in politics. But it will soon bite them on their behind
Politics / Re: Actual Cost Of Petrol Is N39.50 Per Litre – Coalition by dmainboss: 2:53pm On Dec 30, 2011
^^^

To know how the price was arrived at, please read this article http://saharareporters.com/article/real-cost-nigeria-petrol-dr-izielen-agbon
Politics / Re: Actual Cost Of Petrol Is N39.50 Per Litre – Coalition by dmainboss: 2:42pm On Dec 30, 2011
^^^Gbam. Its not rocket science, really1
Politics / Re: Actual Cost Of Petrol Is N39.50 Per Litre – Coalition by dmainboss: 2:25pm On Dec 30, 2011
alj_harem:


Good day sir. I must say you are still very stu.pid even after 2 weeks, you are still biased and stu.pid. I am sorry to say sir

Now this are fact because I have members in Aramco oil in saudi araba

1. The cost of regfining a Barrel of oil is less than 5 dollars.

2. A barrel of oil is 168 Liters of oil

3. This cost is plus, the maintaince, cost of labour, cost of energy in form of heat, cost of chemicals etc

4. Now convert 5 dollars to naira is 750 naira for 168 liters = 4 naira per liter

what does that tell you, u ideeiot

I would have ignored your foolishness, but just to expose your idiocy, I will respond. First I will repost the link I posted before. It is only ignorantly mischievious people like you that try to tell us what your so called infromant in Aramco Saudi told you. That is just funny

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/ene_gas_pri-energy-gasoline-prices


http://www.kiplinger.com/features/archives/gas-prices-around-the-world.html

Below are prices for 2005 so you can also compare:

http://money.cnn.com/pf/features/lists/global_gasprices/


These are world oil prices from different countries including a link for prices in 2005. If it cost $5 to produce a barrel (168 litres), why do countries of the world including Saudi sell at the prices listed. That will be approx $0.03 (or around N4.5) to produce a litre. And Saudi sells at $0.61. That will be 20 times above its production cost according to your claims. Which effectively means they aint subsidizing fuel. And the report clearly says it is subsidized.  You are making a fool of yourself by quoting what a so called informant  told you compared to official information. I am ashamed of you and who is the idi.ot  now?
Politics / Re: Actual Cost Of Petrol Is N39.50 Per Litre – Coalition by dmainboss: 2:18pm On Dec 30, 2011
Kx:

Dis they remove subsidy b4 they did all that as your govt has preached to high heavens that the proceeds from subsidy removal will be used to provide some of those basic needs?

Did the current government put Nigeria in this predicament? We got where we are under military rule. Just like Ghana found themselves before democracy took over. So whats your point? The present government inherited the mess. Do you think if Ghana had been producing oil during their military era and subsidizing fuel, they would not have removed it after the civilians took over?

Just to correct that it is not only about building infrastructure. The subsidy right now is actually being funded from borrowed funds. that is living dangerously. Nigeria is spending money it doesnt have.
Politics / Re: Actual Cost Of Petrol Is N39.50 Per Litre – Coalition by dmainboss: 2:09pm On Dec 30, 2011
Kx:

To all those quoting Ghana.

(1) Does Ghana produce or import fuel?
(2) Does Ghana provide her citizens with 24hrs electricity supply for her manufacturing sectors and domestic use unlike Nigeria or not?
(3) Does Ghana have sound education system unlike Nigeria or not?
(4) Does Ghana have sound,truthful,trusting  and working leadership unlike Nigeria or not?
Kindly clarify b4 u ask Nigeria do jump because Ghana has jumped.

All these stuff you quoted actually supports the argument why fuel subsidy must go, because Ghana actually stands in a better position to subsidize fuel since they have all these facilities in place. If they refuse to subsidize with all these facilities they have, how do you want Nigeria, in her sorry state, to subsidize. They do not need major funding for infrastructural development since they have developed considerably.
Politics / Re: Actual Cost Of Petrol Is N39.50 Per Litre – Coalition by dmainboss: 1:59pm On Dec 30, 2011
samstradam:


I don't know why nigerians are so unbelievably intellectually lazy, why do you keep comparing yourself with a country that JUST STARTED PUMPING OIL LAST YEAR- WHAT ABOUT OUR 40 YEAR HEADSTART ON THEM? Does common sense not indicate to you that having just started pumping oil they should not have as much infrastructural capacity as one who has been doing it for 40 years+? Or did your own history books indicate to you that Nigeria started pumping 2 million barrels per day immediately we found oil in the 60s??!! What is wrong with us gan sef.


You are a funny guy, really! What 40 head start? Have you been living in Ukraine? We are on minus headstart! With refineries nearing 40 years and no proper turn around for same period, you say we have a headstart? You must be in dreamland. The truth is, it might be cheaper to actually start from scrath right now than to rely on the stupid infrastructure we have! Haba!!
Politics / Re: Actual Cost Of Petrol Is N39.50 Per Litre – Coalition by dmainboss: 1:56pm On Dec 30, 2011
^^^My broda, we all know Naija is having serious problems but it is sad that people politicize the issues for their own personal interest and then tell us they are doing it for the good of Nigeria. Imagine Akande saying that BOKO ARAM is silent revolution.

There is fuel subsidy all right and Nigeria does not produce fuel at N39. The key issues are:

1. All our refineries were built during the Gowon regime. So they are all over 30 years old. The turn around maintainance over the years has been terrible. Now we have reached a very very sorry state. Going forward, we must build new refineries. But that requires private participation as government is surely going to be able to do it.
2. To allow for private participation, subsidy has to go and market forces must dictate what happens. Truth is we will suffer from it for a while but it is still the best thing to do else the future will be worse than Greece
Politics / Re: Actual Cost Of Petrol Is N39.50 Per Litre – Coalition by dmainboss: 1:38pm On Dec 30, 2011
How some of you can choose to believe a social critic or party official over actual facts is funny. The facts are there as I have posted above. So it doesnt matter what someone here in Nigeria says, they are just trying to score cheap political points and get cheap recognition. World prices for commodities aint going down, they are going up for all products including fuel. Nigeria even stands a far greater risk because our population is expanding astronomically, we have a lot of redundant population and we have no other major source of income.

@Kobojunkie

Kobojunkie:

Before Obasanjo's deregulation in 2005, the price of petrol was less than Naira 40 per litre.

http://www.socialistworld.net/doc/1913


I posted the link before. Please check it out. As at January 2005, it was N51 per litre. OBJ increased it at end of that year. So do the maths again.

I still think the 0.38 cents per gallon figure is not far-fetched.
Politics / Re: Actual Cost Of Petrol Is N39.50 Per Litre – Coalition by dmainboss: 12:13pm On Dec 30, 2011
Kobojunkie:

^^^ The March 2005 link has gas price listed for  Nigeria, Lagos at $0.38. In 2005, the exchange rate was at about Naira 100/$1. So, the Naira 39.50 amount reported does seem to work, to an extent, when you consider the 2005 figures then, and also assume the number was for cost/litre.

http://money.cnn.com/pf/features/lists/global_gasprices/

The exchange rate was between 132 to 136 in 2005. In 2005, petrol sold at N51 per litre. OBJ increased the price at the end of that year. You do the maths.

The countries that sell fuel very cheap are countries like Saudi, Lybia and Venezuela. The advantage those have are low population, full working refineries.

You can check out the facts on wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigerian_naira

If you multiply $0.38 by 136, you get 51.68 which was the price of petrol as at 2005 before OBJ increased it at the end of the year.
Politics / Re: Actual Cost Of Petrol Is N39.50 Per Litre – Coalition by dmainboss: 12:04pm On Dec 30, 2011
free2ryhme:

Can we have the breakdown as to how the actual cost of petrol is 39.50?  There resides in the piece elements of truth.

So if I just cook up something now that Nigeria has invaded Cameroun, you will say there must be an element of truth in it? We live in an evil world. People lie and deceive when they want to. It is not rocket science. If you really think guys in Saharareporters cares about you or Nigeria, you must be deluding yourself. Nigerian politicians are very bad but what really irks me is that the people that should provide the checks and balance are even the most corrupt. Including, the judiciary, press and civil society groups. I have worked with many civil society groups and they are nothing but Ghana must go groups. Its sickening.


Saharareporters are a soft sell and gossip online magazine.
Politics / Re: Actual Cost Of Petrol Is N39.50 Per Litre – Coalition by dmainboss: 11:59am On Dec 30, 2011
The Internet makes it simple.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/ene_gas_pri-energy-gasoline-prices


http://www.kiplinger.com/features/archives/gas-prices-around-the-world.html

Below are prices for 2005 so you can also compare:

http://money.cnn.com/pf/features/lists/global_gasprices/

free2ryhme:

Can we have the breakdown as to how the actual cost of petrol is 39.50? There resides in the piece elements of truth.

So if I just cook up something now that Nigeria has invaded Cameroun, you will say there must be an element of truth in it? We live in an evil world. People lie and deceive when they want to. It is not rocket science. If you really think guys in Saharareporters cars about you or Nigeria, you must be deluding yourself. Nigerian politicians are very bad but what really irks me is that the people that should provide the checks and balance are even the most corrupt. Including, the judiciary, press and civil society groups. I have worked with many civil society groups and they are nothing but Ghana must go groups. Its sickening.


Saharareporters are a soft sell and gossip online magazine.
Politics / Re: Actual Cost Of Petrol Is N39.50 Per Litre – Coalition by dmainboss: 11:48am On Dec 30, 2011
Ishanorun:

To know how the price was arrived at, please read this article http://saharareporters.com/article/real-cost-nigeria-petrol-dr-izielen-agbon

Immediately I saw the Sahara reporters link, I lost interest! Next,
Politics / Re: Jonathan’s Govt Confused – Okogie by dmainboss: 7:15am On Dec 29, 2011
LEXYLOV:

God Bless the man of God for this exposed. NL has too many ignorant forumites than any other social sites. Even though they know the truth of their situation they still pretend and say all source of rubbish here to credit their incompetent leader. Even a lame,deaf and dumb in Nigeria today observed that there is no government than the looters on the rampage active in the seat of power. The fisherman call GEJ earn this post by his usual mysterious lucks. He has no any ideal of administration except of taking care of animals at zoo. Angry If Facebook can play an important role in the lives of Tunisian, Libyan, Egyptian etc revolution success, why not we Nigerian that much more than those people. We can still help from the keyboard through the internet to awake people who will do all the necessity to effect a change asap. Lips sealed

Posts like these are the reason you cannot have a revolution. When Dayokanu, Demdem, Oyb and their kind talk about a revolution, they mean, they want their party to take over power. That is the very root of Nigeria's problem. Okogie didnt exposed anything. He took the part of least resistance as we say in physics. He took a cheap shot. He did the easiet thing and that is, attack the president. I dont see him issuing any warning to the North. I dont see him treathening Boko Aram. Thats what real men do. It is cheap shot and silly when you come out and attack the president when that is the very reason Boko Aram is attacking in the first place. Okogie is only helping Boko Aram more. He is contributing to their cause. He is playing to th gallery.

Like I said before, If you want Boko Aram and the incessant Northern attacks to stop, the south has to speak with one voice and give them an ultimatun. But it will not happen because we are too partisan.

If you think the Nigerian president inefficient is the reason for the attacks then you have been fooled or you are too young. Nigeria needs to split. This isnt really new. Its been happening since independence. Its the same reason we fought the civil war. If happened even under military leaders. The only difference now is that the level of sophistication has increased because technology has increased and now, there is external collaboration from Al Qaeda
Politics / Re: Jonathan’s Govt Confused – Okogie by dmainboss: 11:32pm On Dec 28, 2011
Honestly, I think we should just split and go our separate ways. It is a pity people like Okogie cannot take such stance and always prefer to be politically correct. I would like to see an ACN leader come out and advocate that the country splits. then I will start too take them seriously.
Politics / Re: Jonathan’s Govt Confused – Okogie by dmainboss: 11:14pm On Dec 28, 2011
expert555:

GEJ is too confused you can his beaming smile when he received the sultan of Sokoto at his villa the other day as if is all well with the country. I don't think the man is fit to rule the country. I want us to face one problem at a time. GEJ should resign and allow his deputy to rule. He have lost my sympathy if the northerners are bombing us because we have a Christian president we want to enjoy what we are been violated for. In this case I did not see the need for the suffering of the people.

I will like to ask you a sincere question. If GEJ should resign because Boko Aram is carrying out suicide bombings and he cannot stop them, will that make Boko Aram to stop or will that give them the hope and courage to go for the big price?
Politics / Re: Jonathan’s Govt Confused – Okogie by dmainboss: 11:10pm On Dec 28, 2011
leeman720:

Total confusion all over him(GEJ)  tongue angry

I dont think GEJ is confused. Rather I think the whole Nigeria is confused. If I ask you what you really want for Nigeria, you would probably say

1. We want a one Nigeria with peace and unity. But is that possible or realistic. Absolutely no.
2. You might also say, I want Nigeria to split. But will you be ready to bear the cost of that? Absolutely no again.

I think we as a country have to make up our mind what we want and be ready to go for it. I dont envy GEJ because he has inherited a time bomb. What is happening today is a build up of over 40 years of confusion. Truth is, it doesnt matter who the president is, it would still have happened. Only difference would have been the timing. Funny that so many people have predicted this a long time ago and over the years, but Nigerians have dipped their head in the sand hoping it will all go away. Fact be told: It is here to stay!
Politics / Re: Jonathan’s Govt Confused – Okogie by dmainboss: 11:00pm On Dec 28, 2011
goshen360:

Terrorism had been in the days of past present and Nigeria is not a one religion nation, so how come BH is so vibrant now? If you are seeing it from the perspective of BH Islamizating the world, then American should be the starting point not Nigeria because America has more Christians than Muslims,ok. I tell you but we dont have to argue over this, there is injustice in leadership of Nigeria and hence, there cannot be peace where there is injustice not to talk of confused leadership.

This is not about us arguing. We gain nothing from unnecessary arguments. My point is that, if they were a militant group fighting for injustice, you would be right. But they are not. They are a terrorist group with suicide bombers.

The first mistake many people make here is that suicide bombers are motivated by money. NO NO NO THEY ARE NOT! You dont collect money to do a job that you will not be alive to enjoy. Suicide bombers are brainwashed people who are normally brainwashed from a very young age. You can google about the typical mindset of a suicie bomber. It is purely a religious and a cultural problem. They are not advocating for improved welfare from the government. They are saying the western culture that we have is evil and should be stamped out. period. That is what the Talibans preach in Afghanistan and pakistan. It is not perculiar to Nigeria so you have to realise it is not as a result of poverty or injustice.
Politics / Re: Jonathan’s Govt Confused – Okogie by dmainboss: 10:48pm On Dec 28, 2011
beylinko:

One thing i have 4 jonathan is dis 'If a watchman sees a danger n refuses to blow d wistle 2 warn d people,God will demand their blood frm his hand' D choice is his.

I would have agreed with you if the bolded were true. How do you see the danger in a terrorist attack? Israel is the best at preventing terrorism in the world and they still get some attacks from time to time. The way they prevent most attacks is that over the years, they have been able to plant moles across the mid-east. These moles live in countries like Iran and Syria like normal citizens and have completely blended into those societies and send back information to Israel. But these took long years of work to achieve. Nigeria on the other hand, dont have that for now. They are probably trying to develop that but it will take time to achieve. For example, if you send an SSS or police guy from Enugu or Ilorin or Delta to damaturu, they will be completely useless no matter what security training they have received. You need people who can blend into those communities. And without that kind of intelligence structure, you cannot stop these attacks. My take is we should split the country, then we will have to deal with them at the borders.
Politics / Re: Jonathan’s Govt Confused – Okogie by dmainboss: 10:39pm On Dec 28, 2011
goshen360:

Go to the root/cause of the problem and you fix the problem. Terrorism is not as vibrant as it is now in the past in Nigeria. So, when you treat the cause of this flame, you fix the problem. The problem is INJUSTICE. Look everywhere in Nigeria, you see injustice: to the poor masses that voted leadership into power and BH is just a small group out of the masses reacting in frustration and dissatisfaction of the economy.

You just made my point. While I will not hold brief for the government, your answer is very vague.

What is the root cause of the problem?

Injustice from who to who? I dont see Boko aram crying for justice. They are crying for sharia, just like every other terrorist group in the world. They want islamization of the world.

BH has never addressed the economy but Islamization. So my question remains un-answered. This is where Akande goofed. Calling the actions of a group who is carrying out an Islamic jihad, a silent revolution is so insensitive, callous and disturbing
Politics / Re: Jonathan’s Govt Confused – Okogie by dmainboss: 10:14pm On Dec 28, 2011
goshen360:

Maybe you are the one confused. The truth is, the youths of this generation are more informed and sophisticated than these old politicians that dont have any clue how government works. In the pride of these old politicians, they will never allow the youths come to power to solve the problems of Nigeria because elections in Nigeria is not free and fair but rigged by PDP. Please, digest this sentence and apply it to Nigeria of today: You cannot have peace without Justice.

I would love you to tell us how you can solve terrorism and suicide bombings
Music/Radio / Re: Skales In A Ghastly Motor Accident. by dmainboss: 9:57pm On Dec 28, 2011
And someone with this kind of mentality will now release an album and expect intelligent minds to buy it and listen to him abi? Tell me what someone like this has to say in an album? It is sad we Nigerians are to blame because we allow illiterates to lead us all the time.
Politics / Re: Would Buhari Have Tackled Boko Haram More Effectively. by dmainboss: 1:49am On Dec 28, 2011
dayokanu:

Mr partisan bigot, I am waiting for your further contributions

Indeed you are not only a bigot but a stu, pid one at that. Where in what you posted did the FG make a statement like the one you posted below?

dayokanu:

Bros what happened to Dokpesi IBB and the "Na we do am" saga of October 1 2010

The govt claimed they knew ppl who bombed and Dokpesi and IBB were their sponsors

Why is it that Dokpesi and IBB are still free men after over 15months?

So if the SSS has a lead and they are trying to prove it in court, it is equivalent to an official statement from the FG? You are such a daft fellow and a partisan bigot!!
Politics / Re: Would Buhari Have Tackled Boko Haram More Effectively. by dmainboss: 1:05am On Dec 28, 2011
dayokanu:

Bros what happened to Dokpesi IBB and the "Na we do am" saga of October 1 2010

The govt claimed they knew ppl who bombed and Dokpesi and IBB were their sponsors

Why is it that Dokpesi and IBB are still free men after over 15months?

Please can you post any link where the government said that? I am very much interested in such a link. If you cant post that, then you are a partisan bigot!
Politics / Re: Would Buhari Have Tackled Boko Haram More Effectively. by dmainboss: 12:49am On Dec 28, 2011
@oyb

It is pointless trying to reason with you. All you continue to spout is partisan stuff and then you try to throw some sort of bully tactics. Its an old propaganda trick but only works for the fainted hearted and ignorant. I will be happy if the country finally splits so we go our separate ways and see who survives and who drops.

Till then.

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