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mind expatiating where you saw 10A+? if it the PV side for a series string them thats super but if its the battery side or if the panels are parallelled then norin special

Dam5reey:
I got their price list too, Now Im convinced..

I can attest to sunshine panels.....i use them and my harvest is quite impressive. why spend so much money on name?

JohnKester:
Harmonise the first bold with the second so we can understand better.

Cheers

is the fg bond is on?

Simple maths....bought it 2012 June. From 2012 June to 2017 June is 5years and we are in September. Maths is not that hard!

oseiwe:
2012 model for over 5 years equals to 2018, 2019, 2020.

Y I think innoson cars has come a long way in terms of quality, but buying innoson car is more like a patriotic thing to do. #BuyNaijaToGrowNaija. The govt and banks should lead the way due to the higher number of cars they can purchase at a go

Been using my Hyundai accent 2012 model for over 5 years now and nothing has been changed in the entire car except brake pads and normal servicing. The spark plugs have never been changed but d performance is awesome! Hyundai rocks!

Efuro,

always on point on cost and especially the opportunity costs.
I norminate you for the forum finance minister

efuro:
Dear marketer

1. You have ideal product but do you have referrals who can vouch for a clean deal?

2. Consider reducing ur price.

Just my piece.

Pls is the fg bond still happening and what is the prevailing rates? Only seeing TB these days

feelamong:
In Treasury Bills ..there is no fixed penalty. The bills are just sold off into the market at the best prevailing rate they can get.

Thats why it could be traded on.....if the prevailing interest rate is favourable you could even get capital appreciation when you decide to break your Tbills early

You are just being unappreciative of your existence

gabe:
we evolved to take advantage of the favorable conditions. Irreducible complexity has been disproved over and over again. Also, the complexity of life around us is not by CHANCE. its by NATURAL SELECTION, which is as fine a designer as any process.

Please house I need info on fg bond. When is the next auction and what is the prevailing rates.. Plssss

Please what is the prevailing interest rates of FG bonds? I prefer it to TB.

You are very good.
however, it is not possible for the universe to have a beginning and an end! it is not also possible for the universe to have a boundary so there has to be a multiverse! so you know i strongly believe in the existence of God...and sometimes i wonder whether he has go to visit other universe and the world is on autopilot until he returns

butterflylion:
Please take small small dey lie you hear? This was your comment below




An eternal universe is what the multiverse hypothesis is all about. How can you deny not saying the very thing you said? Na wa o

I know I am not blind, neither have I been hallucinating throughout this discussion so clear you said what I just quoted Abi no be talk am again?








Goalpost shifted again.

You said knowing God restricts science yet you said theists who were scientists originated the big bang theory and you still cannot see how you punctured your entire argument with your own hands?



Look above



. So much confusion. How can someone who believes in God and creation originate the big bang theory if he felt it was against creation? You seem confused. Read what i wrote above again.




Indeterminate simply means not exactly known, established, or defined. However science says you are wrong because they say the universe has been scientifically determined to be about 13 billion years old. So how then does indeterminate and eternal come in when we have a determined finite time?



Again I ask you, how can I be dwelling on fantasies when all I have done has been to work with the things you have said. I already showed you where you mentioned eternal universe above. Was that my wishful thinking at work too?

it doesnt have a charging system though since i charge with the big inverter or solar.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/inverter-24v-220v-500W-inverter-pure-sine-wave-input-24-v-output-220-v-inverter/32799481550.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.CnGRzR

Saipro:
Kindly state the brand, model and capacity for the smaller inverter. Might need one for villa setup.

If you are into solar street light installation around Lagos, WhatsApp me

Relax.....u cannot compare the knowledge of the present with the ignorance of the past. Sun was believed to be revolving round the earth in those days so much so that it was blasphemy to say otherwise. We know the truth now

jkbee:
Of course spirits exist but science doesn't believe they do... So do charms work yet they deny their potent.. Who cares. Only a fool says there is no God

Time is not an invention of man. Time is existence and man did not create existence. I agree that Time is a dimension of God, the beginning of Time is the beginning of God

obinna58:
Not at all
Time was never there before man cos man invented time, your time definition was right cos that exactly how it should be in order to suit measurement,
Of course the galaxy is about 13.21Billionyrs and planet is 4.543billionyrs forgetting that it was possibly calculated with the help of "time invention" and there no difference between then and now except that the earth is passing through it's own process of life which at a time expires (completed it's life span), life sizes to exist and that infinite time you think exist continues
I never said 100yrs is equal to 10yrs just that I equated it mathematically to an animal which has about 1000+Yrs of life span and made equivalent to 100yrs

Do you believe in God? Cos I think that might be themain reason you are being impervious to this argument

How does something that was not existing hitherto take advantage of a unique condition. Wait until lifeforms are discovered in other planets then u'll know earth is not unique. If you know how complex the human brain is and the 100 enzymes a yeast molecule can produce u'll know it can't be chance. Can't you see the intelligent designs? A trillion years cannot produce this designs by chance

gabe:
its also clear sunlight is white. But we all know it isn't. Its about proof. Life and everything on earth took advantage of the unique conditions on earth to flourish. The conditions were not created for us. We took advantage of it.

Thanks....hope u're happy now!

obinna58:
Seems like your brain is paining you, when argument like this is involved don't just come and chip in words any how, who is saying clock is time
Maybe you can involve calendar as well

That which you are trying to differentiate btw now and the past is time...?it progresses on its own....has nothing to do with human. It progressesmin space for instance the earth will go round the sun in a period of time....we measure it to take 365days based on our definition....another intelligent lifeforms could measure it to take 4 dmerciful based on their own definition

chemystery:
time is a human construct used to help us differentiate between now and our perception of the past. Existence is another thing altogether that has to do with matter. Space on its own is human construct used to define an expands free of matter

Stay on the topic! Even if man came out from bacteria, the bacteria cannot come out of nothing!

walls01:
is it because you do not believe in God that make you believe rubbish. ape like animal my foot where is this ape like animal and where are the intermediate changes since they claim is gradual. why have we not notice this changes again.
what are cardinal point and why such reference?

Time is defined as the progress of existence! Is existence human construct? Space is the emptiness btw matter. Is this emptiness human construct? We are not talking about seconds and minutes here! We are talking about the unlimited progress of existence

chemystery:
You are confusing yourself. I guess time and space and supernatural construct

Looking at the organisation of the universe and the intelligent design thereof, it's super clear that the universe and everything within was created. Chance can never make such a design. Who knows maybe this entire world is just a dream of the Ancient One

gabe:
Creationists make up a law they cannot prove like 'all things were created' then convieniently sidestep it, again without proof, when they say god was not created. To make it plausible, they say,again without proof, that god had no beginning or an end and is outside the bounds of time and space. You can't eat your cake and have it. You don't make convienent excuses when there is a deviation from whatever postulate you are touting. Either everything was created, or some things are not created. That something had a beginning does not connote creation. It has yet to be proved and stays that way until you can provide proof, not concocted deducible statements.

I agree with you 'Perhaps the universe is God'.....Perhaps we have a multiverse!

NPComplete:
The first problem is assuming God has always existed. There's no proof for God always existing other than some verses in the bible. And we all know the bible has never been an impeccable source of information.
So that assumption is an argument from dogma.

Secondly if we are to believe that God has always existed, why is it hard to believe the universe has always existed in whatever form before it became the form we know of it now. Maybe this form we know of it is just our mental projection. And since our brains can't see beyond 3 spatial dimensions, it is plausible that our understanding of space time is skewed and limited. The universe may also be eternal for all we know. Perhaps the universe is God.

Personally, I don't see anything wrong with God Himself having a creator. I can live with it. And I imagine it is possible we also become creators ourselves after we leave this life. It might just be that that's the essence of life. Life birthing more life. Creators creating and getting created. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that.

Time and space are not human construct. The way to calculate or measure these quantities are human construct however the quantitiesnthemselves are not human construct. Just as electricity can be converted to magnetism so also space can be converted to time n vice versa. Whatever was in the Beginning, we reffered to as God!

chemystery:
You cannot assert that it is impossible for nothing to result to something yet concluded something called god came out from nothing. That is a sincere insincerity in argument.

Time and space are human constructs. Since we can't determine when the universe was created, which must have been possibly created before the time construct was created, we can therefore conclude the universe existed independent of time and space!

You mentioned that "Prior to the universe, there was nothing, NO TIME, no space, nothing at all". But you have use the word prior to distinguish between a TIME the universe existed, and a TIME it never existed, thereby defeating that argument.

Lastly, looking at all these things you have said about god, tell me, why can't we say same of the universe? What made it invalid for the latter and not so to the former?

Time was not created by Humans. Clock is not time...it is a device to measure or calculate the progress of existence(time)

obinna58:
What else can be the importance of time if not for measurement only, I think you are going all round to backup your claims

The unlimited continued progress of existence is time.....when existence started, time started.

winner01:
How about those things that have no beginning for instance, nothing we have ever seen

Well, nice theory. We should still agree that there was a time point when all these began and there was something already in existence independent of creation or points of existence.

I think real time does exist, I disagree with those who say it doesn't.

While I appreciate your research and also stating that I 100% believe God created the universe, the question who created God is not an invalid question.if God is timeless, why did He create the universe 12billion years ago and why not 300billion years ago? What is the boundary of the universe? What about other universes since almost all the bodies(atom, molecules, element, compounds, planets, systems,galaxies etc) are in other bigger bodies.

winner01:
If something comes into being, it must have been prompted by something else. A book has an author. Music has a music artist. A party has a party-thrower! All things that begin, that have a start, have a cause to their beginning.


"If a creator God needs to have been made by a creator, that creator would also need a creator who needs a creator … like an infinite chain of toppling dominos, which is an impossibility." - Bertrand Russel (1872-1970)


Today’s atheists repeat the objection, including Richard Dawkins (The God Delusion) and Philip Adams, who said,

“The great argument for God was that there had to be a Creation, a beginning. … But my objection was simple. If God was the beginning who began God?”



So who created God? Many religious people, especially Christians including myself consider this question the ultimate blasphemy. In times of inquisition, 800 years ago in Europe, this question alone could easily have gotten one killed or at least sent to the torture chambers by the powers that be of the time – the Catholic Church.

Yet today, it seems to be a legitimate and a profound question. This question must be best answered to help grow the faith of genuine enquirers and tick the conscience of honest unbelievers.
Even if one doesn't believe in God or any kind of divine being, the question remains: Why does anything exist? Why not just nothingness?

These are the ultimate existential questions and it may concern every human on earth.



Everything we observe in nature has a beginning. Theists, more specifically Christians however often object by making the claim below:

"God is in a different category, God is different from all nature and humanity and everything that exists, in that he has always existed, independent from anything he created. God is not a dependent being, but self-sufficient, self-existent.
Psalms 90:2, 1 chronicles 29:11-12, John 4:24.

Christians admit that everything has a cause with just one exception, GOD. Christians submit this because this is exactly how the Bible describes God, and how God has revealed himself to be.


While I will not be using scriptures to make my point.
It is important to note that the Bible says, “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth” (Genesis 1:1). Here God created time itself. Only One who is outside of time, that is, timeless, or eternal, could do this.

Let's leave this for a while. Almost everyone agrees that the world has a beginning. Science seems to have proven that time and space had a beginning. This fact amongst others have made some change their opinion on reality.
https://www.nairaland.com/3314364/christian-family-atheism-jesus-christ

Three scientific evidences seems to prove that the universe has a beginning. They are briefly explained in the thread above.

1. The second law of thermodynamics
2. An expanding universe
3. The cosmic background radiation

So basically.
- The universe has not always existed (the universe has a beginning)
- Time and space began with the universe (Time and space began when the universe began)


Prior to the universe, there was nothing, NO TIME, no space, nothing at all.
This implication of this is that whatever brought the universe into existence is independent of the universe, independent of time (timeless or eternal) and independent of space.


This is a serious implication. It means that :
1. Either the universe came from nothing
2. or the universe came from something
3. or we don't know what brought forth the universe.


In reality. It is impossible for nothing to produce something. At least majority of people agree with this. And if it is impossible for nothing to give rise to something, then the existence of life should make no sense.

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To me, life is even less complex than the universe. This truth (that nothing cannot produce something) is uncomfortable for those who propose that there is no Creator (of the universe).

This has led major scientists like Stephen hawkings, Lawrence krauss and others to theorize that something can come from nothing.

1. The M-Theory (which requires nothing something called gravity)
2. The multiverse theory (to which there exists no observable evidence)
3. Quantum vacuums (which infact has the properties of nothing something as Dr. Alexander Vilenkin points out
in this video.)


And maybe any other theory I don't know of. One thing is sure however, to validate any of the above theories, one must modify the definition of nothing.

Let's see the real definition of nothing.

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Having said that. I'll go straight to my point.
Whatever was in existence prior to the universe, exists outside of time and space.

Whatever exists outside of time is timeless or eternal. The words "Timeless and eternal" seems to have a connection.

Lets see the definition of Timeless
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and eternal
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The major connection I see between these two words may be clear for everyone else to see.

"No beginning and no end".

This phenomenon is alien to humans. Majority of people can't seem to imagine an object with no beginning and no end (an object that was not created or an object that has been existing since forever).
It is natural though, afterall even our great planet will come to its end.
My point is, it is difficult for anyone to imagine something without a beginning or end.


The Bible describes God as:
1. ETERNAL in the following verses: Isaiah 40:28, Romans 16:26, 1 Timothy 1:17, Psalm 90:2
2. and SELF EXISTING: Exodus 3:14

The word YAHWEH itself is believed to be a form of the verb hayah, which signifies “to be,” ultimately meaning “the eternal One” or “self-existing One.”



So I have been able to make 2 points so far.
1. Timeless or eternal means no beginning and no end (UNCREATED OR SELF EXISTING)
2. The Bible describes God as timeless and eternal.



When atheists ask the question, "Who created God?". This question can be analyzed critically.

If something was created, it simply means it has a beginning. This negates the proposition of Christians as regards YAHWEH. Therefore such a question might either be born out of ignorance or dishonesty.
One can't ask who created something has no beginning and no end. Since the question itself proposes that this something has a beginning, It is an invalid question.


An eternal being or object has no beginning, no end. It is uncreated and timeless. It is self existent.
This is the what we mean when we say God is eternal.

I do not write to offend anyone's beliefs, but you can read this with an unbiased mind, I'm positive that you will come to an honest conclusion and admit that the question "Who created God" is an invalid question.


God bless you.

They are same black China 100%. same architechture

Saipro:
Same goes for the PowerStar series. Dimensions, capabilities, features, whitesheet et al are so similar, I often wonder if they really aren't different flavours coming out of the same factory in China.

Prag consumes just as much as mustpower......same electrical architechture

DUNKA:
Then go for Prag as it had good user feedback. Search for Richmond previous post on this inverter. Good value for money. May God open more doors for you

@ Dunka,

if his reason for wanting to discard the mustpower inverter is high idle consumption, mind telling us the idle consumption of the premium brands you recommended?

I use mustpower but i also have a small inverter i use for light loads(lights & electronics) that consumes about 10w idle power. I only use the mustpower during the day or when powering refrigerator n microwave/iron

DUNKA:
my unsolicited advise is sell the China invertes and go for the premium brands. Thank me later

Launching of satellite is not among our 1st 2000 problems as a nation but because we do not know how to manage scarce resources we waste money especially because its oil money

Thanks GeorgeD1, our grand Patron and inspirer when it comes to solar and new technologies.

It was a decent review however i have always preferred midnite classic and even common itracer to morninstar due to its lack of aesthetics....i love beautifully made things and this is a criteria for choosing for me funny enuf esp as many of these controllers performances are close to 99% efficiency.

GeorgeD1:
all,
so finally here comes the head-to-head comparison between midnite solar classic 150 cc
and the tristar mppt-60.

1) build
the tristar comes solid as a rock made of an upper cast aluminum and a lower steel body. so also the
midnite. it looks rugged enough and its appearance exudes quality. a mere glance gives one the
impression of high quality.
-both charge controllers take this round equally.

2) installation
both charge controllers are easy to install with both shipping with a battery temperature probe as standard.
clearly marked positive and negative battery and solar pv terminals reduces possibility of error.
- this round is also a draw.

3) setup
setting up the tristar is a little tricky as you'd have to fiddle with the notorious 'dip switches'. from system
voltage settings to battery type selection and equalization, you will do well to read your manual over and over
to make sure you don't flick the wrong switch else you might just kiss your precious controller goodbye.
the midnite classic on the other hand is a beauty to set up. the built-in wizard helps guide you through the set up
process and you could be done in minutes without even opening one page of manual to read. it is that easy.
-the midnite solar wins this round without contest

4) programming, fine-tuning, etc
coming closely on the heels of setup is programming and fine tuning the charge controller.
the midnite solar has quite an impressive list of user adjustable settings that you could carry out directly from the
mngp (display unit). you could also use the wizbang jr add-on to achieve this. and this helps to make the unit very
flexible and user friendly.
the tristar on the other hand is not that easy to program. i've mentioned the dip switches already. to adjust the few
settings available you will need to install the optional 'msview' software.
-again the midnite classic wins this round.

5) connectivity, internet, etc
both charge controllers connect to the internet when properly configured but it seems the midnite classic has a more
seamless architecture. configuring the modbus for the tristar has always been a pain in the ass for me.
- midnite classic wins this round

6) performance, solar harvest, ability to optimize yield even in cloudy weather
i rotated both charge controllers from north facing panels to south facing panels over the course of two weeks and
monitored their performance with the different arrays. i discovered the tristar always being first to wake up from night
mode or 'rest' early in the morning and being the last to go to sleep in the evenings. also conversion wise (dc to dc)
the tristar seems to shine. however what the midnite classic lacks in terms of its inability to wake up on time, it tries to
make up for it by its superb solar algorithm - although it finds itself always trying to play catch-up for the rest of
the day.
for most days, production from both charge controllers were almost equally matched with only a little variation.
- this round is a draw with the advantage tilting more towards the tristar.

7) durability, reliability, etc
like i said in my earlier post, it's still early days yet with the midnite classic cc so i may not be in a good position to tell
how durable or reliable it may turn out to be. however, i can vouch for the tristar as a solid and reliable unit able to
withstand almost anything thrown at it. unless you deliberately set out to damage it, this cc is guaranteed to serve you
for many years to come.
- this round is inconclusive

8 ) scalability, ease of expansion, etc
perhaps the biggest selling point and over-aching advantage the midnite has over the tristar is its ability to produce
between 80 to 96 amps of charging current with a maximum solar array size of up to 4,300w at 48v. that means as a
user there is more room for expansion. you can start with a few panels and continue building up your system on an
incremental basis by adding panels after panels without worrying about changing/upgrading the charge controller.
the tristar on the other hand maxes out at 60 amps which translates to 2,300w at 48v. anything above this and the
current limit alarm set in.
- midnite classic is the winner for this round

9) conclusion
as can be seen, each charge controller has its own strong points and not so strong points. also, they seem to match evenly
in quite a few areas. at the end of the day, its much like comparing ronaldo and messi - both are kings in their own rights -
or comparing apple and android. while one is a closed system and difficult to manipulate, the other is flexible and easily
configurable - but they both excel in what they do.