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Very well said prosper.

liveLongNprospa:
Bruh I don't give 2 fvcks about my tribe to the point of having my conscience judge me.

E get lines wey we nor suppose cross abeg. I don see the effects of tribalism and while you might benefit in the short term, e go dey worsen things long-term.

Yes my stance might not change anything oo but I'm okay with it.

Emaprince:
atleast we all love our tribes more than the others .

Noo Emmanuel, we don't! Or at least I don't, for God's sake that's why we evolve!

That's why you see me constantly hitting on the fact that dayo, a Nigerian emigrant to a foreign country where he is a minority, more so part of a minority group that has been on the receiving end of such deadly rhetorics should understand better, the implications of such bitter words.
Indeed one can rationalise those hateful narratives if it was coming from a native lagosian who instinctively feels threatened by the changing tribal makeup of his immediate environment and who doesn't grasp the idea of economic growth due to immigration and diversity.

But when a Nigerian emigrant himself who has seen the effects of tribal division and then exposed to the history of those in his new country who have suffered soo much on the alter of racial differences. He should fvcking know better.

And maybe I also once thought that tribe mattered but one evolves to the point that you see that it ultimately doesn't matter.

I'm detribilized because I have had sufficient exposure to different tribes. My Yoruba aunt is one of the best people in my life, that woman no dey joke with me, we always have the best of times together, my friends in the university were multi-ethnic, my friends during nysc were of different tribes and I made wonderful memories with these people. I work in a multi-tribal environment and I can sufficiently say that I really don't give a Fvck about my tribe over others..
The same way my state grapples with bad governance is not the same way all states grapple with bad governance?
From corrupt governors with no sense of accountability to its citizens, to approving overbloated budgets that they funnel to themselves, to owing state workers salaries, are all these not common factors in nearly all the states?? Do any of them know tribe when stealing from the masses.

Oga, I am not tribalistic. I don't see my tribe as superior, make no mistake, I admire subsets of my tribe, I like the fashion, l like the cultural cuisine, I admire some historically significant events like a king's ofala etc but I do not in anyway think it is more significant than other's tribe.
So please don't generalise that we are all tribalistic as in the sense that our tribe is better than the other.

Segedinho:
Defending who

So in summary,Dayo might have been triggered and needed a clap back....(2) duped many times by igbos hence d negative vibes (3)acted on impulse after someone insulted his beloved tribes in a like manner .

If only you could hear yourself right now.
You started by asking "defending who", then went right back to defending and rationalising reasons why he decided to be evil.

Let me illustrate exactly how you sound, you hear that armed robbers have robbed a traveller on the road and killed the person, of course you know it's wrong, but rather than condemn the armed robber, you start rationalising WHY the violent criminal did what he did.

You say, well, all of us human are imperfect and have a certain level of evil in us, maybe the criminal was absolutely poor hence why he had to become an armed robber, maybe he was forced into it by bad friends, maybe he was high on drugs when he was robbing them.

You try to rationalise the act but then you make sure to interject, ohh, I'm not defending him! Well the thing is, in a way you are!
By not outrightly condemning the criminal you create a pysch where people accept that since it's rationable, who are we to judge?
Well no! Evil is evil! The rhetorics you are making cover for is why we had Nazi Germany.
You are in effect rationalising hitler's rhetorics.

There should be no situation where a human being tells another that there are inferior. That they are born with crime DNA embedded. That they are all leeches, that they are beasts, that they are corpse eaters.

Maybe truly I have reposted these soo much that they have lost the actual implications of such words. I've posted soo much that the shock value isn't there anymore. But I do so so that they wouldn't be room where such is tolerated here.
Without my exposure who knows if we would actually be having such nastiness here,it can actually be argued that by me constantly raising awareness of the issue, I have actually prevented such from ever happening here.

I have clipped such wings before it took off, who knows how slowly it would have started where someone comes here and says, igbos are leeches and beasts and suddenly we have to actually hold a debate on that.
My proactiveness on the issue might have very well ensured that never happened here.

So again sege, don't rationalise the criminal act, condemn it thoroughly and condemn the criminal until he realises the error of his ways.

Segedinho:
So,I don't have any issue with anyone that tends to DEFEND his/her tribes in d midst of insults.

I don't believe dayo will just wake up to post those incessant uploads in your arsenal without a prior combat/insults .....he must have been triggered by someone defending his/her tribe as well.....maybe he was pissed and needed same group of persons pissed as well..

I don't support such strong words..

You see, this right here! Is why I keep insisting on him addressing this because you can see how your defence falls flat in the face of logic and evidence before us.

You try to rationalize his actions by seeing him as someone being put in the "defensive" or "protecting" his tribe when it's actually the opposite. When he's clearly the provocateur here.

Those posts shows someone who is actually goading others into tribal warfare, who is pulling others down into the mud with him.
This protective mindset which you now have towards his evil acts is the reason I want him to address these himself.

Where is the "defense" or "protection of one's tribe" when you go into a crime thread where there is a missing corpse and then proclaim, "I HAVE A FEELING THAT IGBO CANNIBALS HAVE GONE TO EAT HER DEAD CORPSE". Tell me sege, where is the defense there?

Is that not someone actively baiting People into starting tribal warfare?

You claim that all of us have this tribal instinct but I don't see you going around baiting and goading people into terrible warfare, worse doing it while you yourself are a minority in a foreign land. It just doesn't add up! Only clowns are in a circuit and should be ridiculed as such. He wasn't any victim of any narrative, he was an active participant.

Why would someone in America still be concerned with such trivail or mundane issues? How can you be far away and be causing issues for those in your home country??
You can see that your point falls off in the face of logic and evidence before us.

Again, using these posts as evidence,can you tell us where dayo was fighting for or protecting his tribe?

Emaprince:
Hahaha.....he came in like a dog that lost its way...attacking every one.

As in!!
How do you just enter a new thread and start calling everyone idiots_? Like what are you trying to achieve?
Anyways,I remember that bimfo too came in that way. It's almost like you just want to make your presence known or something.

Emaprince:
Bro.. I have tried my best to plead with you too. let it slide. This doesn't mean people here don't know who is who.

StarchAndBanga:
All they are saying is we get the message u are trying to pass across..

But how on earth will I know that people truly understand the depth of what I'm saying if only 2 people on this thread have dared to speak against it?? Because from my eyes, it just looks like people are pretending to be okay with it happening?
I usually do tackle dayo on this once he gets involved in our politics because I do fear that he will influence people's mind without them grasping his cynical motivation.

How would I know that people understand him already if not a single person has gathered the mind to address him on it?

Segedinho:
My belief is everyone is tribalistic by default but many take it to the extreme.

I have pointed out to oa.sisx as well as dayo that they are as guilty as you are in terms of expressions which I deem too extreme..

I don't think dayo is as guilty as you are in repeating an already seen screenshots just to score a point.....that is what I think we are talking about.
Whenever I see dayo's reply to you..it is more of a counter attack to your already provoked message.......

Maybe then I think we're mis-defining the term tribalism or not ascribing the right words to his actions. Because there is a big difference in liking and venerating your tribe or culture and then outrightly hating deeply and consistently looking down upon another tribe. You can see that the posts I paste here are not of him necessarily highlighting the goodness or best attributes of being Yoruba but consistently denigrating other tribes.

I mean, one of those posts advocates that Igbo people be put in slave labor camps, that's not just tribalism or whatever, that's evil.

So I think it's a mistake to generalize his actions as "we're all the same". Noo. There is a huge gap there. A child who stole meat from the pot is different from armed robber stealing money in the bank. There's a very huge leap there.

And my insistence is on him addressing this and not pretending like it never happened.
Remember what I told you was my reason for even discovering all these. Earlier in the campaign when everyone was completely high on the Obi mania, for this person to have already started mercilessly insulting Obi from the get go spoke to what would have happened if these findings were not made public..

If I didn't do what I did, this person would be here cunningly selling us the Tinubu campaign while insulting the hell out of Obi and we wouldn't have known the cynical motivations for his actions. So i intend for him to address why his mind has been carved like this towards an entire tribe

Segedinho:
Seconded.

D incessant floods caused by d screenshots is not worth it...
I believe his points has been seen by virtually everyone on this thread....

Sege you have personally called me out on some occasions for what you percive is my "thin skin" to insults. Now, Have you at any point in the last 6 months called dayo out for those things you saw? Or did you not just want to create "unnecessary problem" for yourself? Or did you think those things weren't "really that bad"?

Along the line I somehow forgot to remind us that apart from voting, there are some other minor roles we can play in being involved in our democracy. Unlike Nigeria, advanced countries and it's citizens are very proactive in democracy. For example, the art of civil disobedience or protest, we are still in that stage where all of us are used to accepting the shit thrown at us from government. In America, if a government official says monkey ate money, or termites ate financial documents, expect to see that government official in jail, expect to see visible protest if action is not taken. But we simply accept it as one of those things.

Secondly, participating in campaigns, either as a candidate running or a campaign staff, or a support group. The mindset to have when doing these shouldn't be self aggrandizing but a commitment to a cause you personally believe in.
Over the years, the people who fill those roles are bad people with selfish agendas but this campaign season has introduced a new dimension to Nigerian politicking and campaigning. You notice that paid rallies are no longer as significant as before, you notice that politicians no longer hawk and eat corns or eat children's food in schools. The narrative isnow purely on candidate quality, plans and capacity to deliver.

Important info, please there are over 300 Obi support networks around the country, find the closest one to you and join. It's nothing much, just you using digital media to speak to people around you for Obi, your work colleagues, your relatives, your fellow students, your church members. Just in general, those you personally know. The idea is to create a chain of linked supporters.

They're sent periodical text messages to keep them fired up for the elections and also introduce them to other candidates and offices on the ballot.
This is just one of the ways you get to participate in your democracy.
If you're interested, you can join any one of these that affect your personal interest.

Beer parlor analysis. yeah, let's pretend that obi is not the frontrunner in Abuja, Benue plateau, nasarawa and maybe taraba.

Anyways, all these as I've always stated are just random guesses in the end. It will all be settled next month.

What we do know for sure is what the numbers tell us.
Ibime, you're a numbers guy, how strongly do you rate these polls that all have Obi leading?

Do you think our professional polling here are accurate enough?

DissTroy:
As long as it doesn't dominate and choke off a discourse, it's fine.

You've established the fact that he is. My post history on this thread would show me calling out same people for tribalism. But if you're serving a meal, it shouldn't be the main course.

If you noticed, the tribalism call is no longer as effective as it was when it was occasional calling out.

Raum is one person. Amoto is one person. Until the slide into their ways or instigate it, the calls should be shelved.

What's the message for the others who far outnumber them?

I was enjoying the debates since last night about the ethnic make-up and intra-politics of the North, and Tinubu characteristically renting crowds in Enugu, including the ripping-off saga by the APC state chairman until tribalism came up even though neither of the two usual suspects on this thread went that way or mentioned Obi since last night.

If I see it from that perspective, others have too. Shelve it until it's imperative that you point it out.

We could have multiple discourse at a time. Yes, your boldness in calling them out too is duly noted but first, my tribalist accusations are very well targeted at the perpetrator especially the main culprit here, i personally find it very repugnant that someone will spend soo many years saying the vilest and ugliest of things to other people and then want to pretend like it's absolutely normal to do that and not even care to the normal readers here why you were so invested in such nastiness. I'm sorry but I really can't pretend to ignore that elephant in the room. At least offer up a rational explanation for doing the evil you consistently and willfully engaged in, not totally pretend that randomly calling people corpse eaters is an absolutely normal thing to do. And the 2nd objective why I do so is indeed me cynically highlighting the silent mob mentality. I mean, I'm sure and I know a lot of people also find those things said in very terrible taste, why it is difficult also speaking up against is my other motive. You bucked the trend, why couldn't others. The question would keep hanging there.

Theflint1:
There are tribalistic people everywhere, it's funny you're trying to paint this funny picture off the tweets of a random on Twitter.

The account you are replying to was one of the first I flagged as an alternate. View the oldest post of the person you would know who runs it.

DriveByKiller:
joe what do you say about Buhari who is neck deep in romance with Boko Haram and marauding herds men and Tinubu has never criticized for once.

I will tell you one thing now: your very future and those of your kids and that of Nigeria hangs on this year's election producing Peter Obi.

Why?
Because for once if Obi wins from nowhere, it's power to the people. Our democracy would have taken a big stride in independence, transparency and accountability.

It would forever change the landscape of democracy, human rights, oppression and good governance because power will ultimately lie on the people and the ballot box will be the tool every politician will fear the most.

Atiku or Tinubu will only symbolize the continuation of the status quo; selection candidates by a few political elite, chosen ones and systemic rigging against the everyday Nigerians.

You really need to know that this election is different from all other before it because Nigeria's democracy is at the crossroads.

If Atiku or Tinubu win the usual way as par rigging, all our voices and agitation would have been for nothing and the people would have lost all zeal to vehemently campaign to vote for reforms.

You really need to see this from a national survivability angle.

And trust me, Peter Obi would deal with IPOB more than Buhari can ever do.
If there's one thing I can predict about Obi now is that he will be a pacifier when he becomes president

I know you won't understand this picture.

DissTroy:
Donjazet2, maybe. But you tried to make it look like Yorubas in general are tribalistic . Of the top 3 most populated tribes, Yorubas are the least tribalistic.

And for all it is worth, Tinubu's occasional tribal card regardless, he appointed many non-Yoruba ethnicity into his cabinet.

It's time to let the constant hammering on tribalism go. Point it out on this thread when there's an obvious culprit - this goes both ways - but constantly hammering on it makes people defensive. When our tribe is constantly under attacked, it's human to go on the defensive.

Tinubu is sick. He's too frail for the rigours of the presidency. He has a dubious genealogy. His educational history is ambiguous. He has drug- peddling allegations.

These are sticking non-tribal stones to pelt him with.

I've never done that. I've only consistently pointed out the tribalism of tinubu and his supporters. Never generalizing the entire Yoruba. For fvcks sake, I consistently highlight the adulation of pa Adebanjo, Obasanjo and co. I have never attacked the majority our Yoruba brethren here on basis of tribe, I don't attack larride, Oasis, blueray, itsrm, treble and the rest.

What I consistently do is attack the tribalism of the tribalists within the tinubu camp as proof as to how divisive the man is especially raumdeteur who till date is yet to explain his extreme igbophobia.

So please don't conflate my pointing out of evident tribalism to me attacking all Yorubas that will be surrending the narratives to them.

Just like the concept of reverse racism that republicans use, where when one consistently calls out the systemic racism in their society, they turn around and accuse the accuser of being racist himself, you should know what that's called.

Theflint1:
I swear, if PO doesn't win 2023, 2027 would be another good opportunity to do the PO/Kwankwasiya movement. With at least 8M votes in the bag from PO, they will def kick either Atiku or Tinubu out if they fail to perform as president.

The presence of this strong third force favours Nigeria, and we have PO and those that believed in his candidacy to thank for that, whichever way the elections end.

Obi would get farrr more than 8 million votes. In a sea of 200 million people, Obi gets far more than that. He has the general acceptability spread across all regions.

Unfortunate that we don't have a single northerner on this thread but I believe that the educated young northerners are leaning towards Obi. I once posted a poll here done in ahmadu bello which obi won with atiku coming second. The opinions of those young students was striking.

seankafor:
your comments are almost predictable

Can't you change tactics for once in your life?

My friend how many times would I tell you that if my comment is not for you, you ignore? Why obsessing over my comments? Any time you make a post here, it is to criticize my comment. If you don't like my views, you ignore, it's as simple as that. Not repeating the same thing everytime.

DissTroy:
It's only relative. Maybe just a Yoruba - Igbo fluke rivalry playing to the gallery war.

But analysing it independently as an Ibibio man, I'm more likely to experience tribalism from ethnics in Imo than I am in Osun.
Even in school politics, I'm more likely to have a smoother entry into the SUG of a university in Abeokuta, Ogun State than any in Akwa, Anambra.

Does Tinubu play the tribal card to his advantage a few times? Yes. I campaign against him so I'd hype it up. But are the Yorubas tribalistic? No.
I was born and raised in Yorubaland for a part of my life into teenagehood. I CAN NOT exactly pinpoint me being discriminated against Yorubas because of my tribe. Neither my parents who lived there before I was born or my siblings.

I'm against Tinubu but what has to be stated has to be stated.

I agree with you on the sentiment that Yorubas are more liberal and less tribalistic than other tribes, that's why I said "until tinubu introduced politics of hate there". I lived a large part of my life in Maryland Lagos, I also have Yoruba relatives, my uncle's from both partenal and maternal sides married Yoruba wives. My best food till date is a Yoruba dish. Spinach stew. Efo riro too.

As for Yoruba inclusiveness, there are largely known factors to this. They were the first Nigerians to have contact with the colonizers who set up administrative offices in their land and made it a center of diversity over the ensuing years. Being a developed port city meant being a large trading center that attracted all sorts of trade.
Being the first tribe to adopt western education made them more liberal, enlightened and educated than the other tribes and they were the largest group of nigeria's first emigrants to the west. They left in droves to get education.

And lastly, there were more of onlookers in the bitter civil war which was primarily a northern- eastern civil war. The northerners hated easterners more than westerners and the easterners hated the northerners more than westerners.

Soo all these factors combined made the Yorubas the most liberal of the rest until tinubu in a quest to solidify his control of power in the region introduced xenophobic narratives, "these people leave their lands and come to ours to mess it up" "they come in night buses and leave their messed up land of cannibals". As though the economic migrants who move to lagos are not drawn there because of the businesses. Businesses enabled by virtue of geography and historical politics.

Soo in summary, the Yorubas are less triba but tinubu has successfully introduced the politics of hate as you can see from his acolytes, raumdeteur and the rest.

Then I disagree with you on the university stuff. No data to back up the claim but I generally believe that the youths are just in general less tribalistic than their parents. Many people born in the 90s just don't care that much about tribal affiliation or sentiment.

izzou:
[color=royalblue]The reason it happens that way is because the average Yoruba man does not really care...It is just now that tribalism has gone round.

These guys don't care about religion or tribe.

My classmate in secondary school was a muslim, his younger sister was a Christian. His father was a muslim, and his mother was a Christian.

Imagine how liberal they are, even to children.

I think Lagos case has more to do with how the yorubas are, rather than because it is cosmopolitan[/color]

Until tinubu's politics introduced the most hateful of politicking narrative in Yorubaland.

Why do the Igbo states all have more females than male numbers registered? East is the only region where all it's states has more female than male.

The final national voters register.
Please endeavor to get your PVCs.

With these numbers, I truly see Obi winning Lagos. APC has never crossed a million voters in Lagos. In a high turnout election, APC loses. It's that simple.

Kokobilo87:
I just wanted to have a talk. I am sorry, I didn't know you liked your sexuality to be a secret. by bad

You know that normally I wouldn't bother, but now I'm actually worried that people wouldn't know that you are a professional troll whose entire existence on nairaland is creating frustration and might actually mistake you to be a person whose head is correct. That's just my concern.

Foolish troll who only exists to be useless. Why didn't you type your normal self, let them know you.

Kokobilo87:
Ya donkey fool, ya isa still ah cash ah check ina tha bank ya donkey. Ya pay tha fee which isa cost from ah $10. Ya isa stay ina Enugu ya donkey ye.

Kokobilo87:
I isa answer to ah no one. Ya want ah proof ya isa not ah get it. Ya isa get ah it when ya isa respect ah full.
Poor Goodvibes007 scraping tha bottom of tha barrel ye

Kokobilo87:
Ya donkey ye. One ah time ya ah laugh anada ah time ya ah cry ye.... We Isa knows ya Isa not ah laugh. Ya isa over brag and ya Isa do tha damage control ah thing

Kokobilo87:
You are one of the homosexual I know, I am still waiting on your opinion of Mbappe ex who was a transgender man.

Since you are a homosexual, I would like your take on this matter.

Soo you suddenly know how to speak well now, abi? Why you no continue your gibberish? Go on, show everyone here your madness.
I have never even engaged your madness on that thread. Better return from whence you came.

Ibime you dey see me see trouble?

These one's carry their madness from that side reach here.

Football sef.
How do you eliminate Chelsea and Liverpool only to lose to Southampton?
So like this man-u don break their trophy jinx.

A001:
Something for the fools to feed on

My bro, I am like, seriously appealing to you to try and let this otem issue go.
When people say it here, it's usually for fun but the fact that everyone can predict that the minute someone mentions otem, you will be triggered and certain to respond gives the incentive for you to be trolled.
I personally find the whole thing ridiculous but it goes on because you give it life.

Please stop being triggered or forced to respond when someone mentions otem.

YOU ARE NOT OTEM. Let them just have their fun. Stop having headache over this. Please.

raumdeuter:
I now understand why you go hard on him the way you do

And you go to places where it hurts him the most. He thinks he is weakness when I refuse to involve his deepest worries and his families in this
That is why he doesnt bother you and tries to make peace, he even wrote an epistle begging you for peace multiple times

I know that's what will stop him but I still wont do it

The funny thing is that all I'm doing is asking you to do is explain to everyone why you spent 15 years vociferously attacking your countrymen, using the most evil and vulgar terms ever used and sowing the seeds of hatred in people's mind?

If this is me "attacking you", well then attack away, but I'm sure people who respect you will like to know how your mind works such that you appear friendly and comic this minute and the next minute you are firing on all cylinders of hate calling a tribe corpse eaters and cannibals.

I'm sure you will definitely reply by digressing off point about me calling ngige an igbo yoruba bastard to which i will tell you I believe I made an uncharacteristic mistake which I don't even remember doing. And then I will still ask you again, why you believed that any Igbo person leaving east was a poor pauper who came to cause trouble in Lagos and was from a land of cannibals.

I hope ijebos and obrigardo were not affected?

SlyFoxxNoLimit:
At this point are you not tired yourself? Bruh

How else could you be dialogued with to stop making this place toxic and allow people to converse normally?

Meanwhile, seun dropped a major notice which we all should really take important.
Recently I've noticed some funny shenanigans on my email.

https://www.nairaland.com/7520210/password-guessing-attack-dont-reuse

raumdeuter:
Yes I am all those monikers you are following Oasis, nihilist sege, otemsbunny, seankafor, sod all of them na me

So has that cured your malady?

Stop fooling yourself dayo, is sleekdot not your alternate?

Hmmm, I guess this is what Obasanjo brings to the table.
Knowing all the shenanigans of INEC itself, the man is ready to ensure this election is absolutely free and fair.
That's if this news is reliable.

https://www.nairaland.com/7520825/breaking-news-obasanjo-secret-meeting#119941058