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sirthisthickkal:
[b] I am glad you agree that scientists have have failed tremendously for the past 6 decades in their adventure to unravel the universe existence, tell me, if scientists have not been to find answers to things they can see with there eyes what makes you think they can be able to find answers to the existence of a extra ordinary powerful being like God who they can never see . It's like looking for a needle in an haystack. Some questions are best left unanswered. Curiosity kills the cat.


Scientists proposed that through mutation, natural selection, and fossils record, evolution would triumph. Fortunately today, there hope and expectations have shattered.
After carrying out bogus research and experiment in the lab, they discovered that mutation can not produce new species it can only alter the genetic code of a specie there by producing the same specie with different features, shape and size.
Evolutionists proposed that Natural selection determines species that survives in their new environment and hence produce new species . Wrong! It is only change in climatic conditions that determines which animals or plant survives this animals then interbreed to produce offspring that would survive better than them.
Fossils record is just a fraud. Scientists have not been able to know when and where humans evolved from apelike creatures. majority of the fossils unearthed showed that there were no changes or evolvement in structure or size of this animals. Whenever fossils are found, Evolutionists see this as an opportunity to gain publicity and mislead many.

We don't need to give you evidence that God exists, you are already an evidence if you are still not satisfied, look around you, take a look at the sky, take a journey to the marine world.. after all if you choose to ignore it, its your choice...


You might ignore everything you ve seen but your conscience will not. [/b]

I did not agree to scientist failing, i only said no concrete answers have been found...

Your statement about some questions are left unanswered and curiosity killing the cat is one of the typical dangers of religious dogma...if we ddnt strife to know how the world works, would we have medicine, cars, internet, nairaland, phones?...all these things are the products of the scientific enquiry and our agelong curiosity of the world around us. How then can you say we should stop and leave some questions unanswered.
No sir, i disagree.

The rest of your post was just a conspiracy theorist remarks that needs no reply although i do look at the sky and i see blue and i am amazed, not because i think a deity is behind it, but because i know that the Nitrogen atoms in the atmosphere scatters light in the blue wavelength and i evolved eyes equipped to detect this exact wavelength which my brains recognize has something very beautiful...
I am in awe of the world and its wonders, i dont need a deity for that...

Ranchhoddas:
I sincerely hope death is not the end. The thought is depressing.

It shouldnt be depressing

Checkout this thread

https://www.nairaland.com/3165723/fear-death

Dejideji1:
It's a logical explanation from Bible scholars who are also physicist. I don't want to quote Bible verses since most of u Atheists are doubting the credibility of its contents. And I also want to show you that it's not all Christians that can't or won't reason out of the box as u have tagged us.

Yea, thank you for reasoning out of the box and keeping this discuss intelligent...

You said logical explanation, well it does sound logical i suppose but its logical doesnt mean its a FACT, it just keeps it as an hypothesis along side the multiverse hypothesis and the likes...so an hypothesis cant be proof of a creator, am sure you would agree!

ettaetta:
Anything designed must have a designer, there is plently
of evidence that the world has been designed
Take a look at the beauties of nature. the only possible designer of something this beautiful must be God.

The Argument from design is flawed...because something looks beautiful to you doesnt mean it was designed.
Lets even for a second accept the design argument, i would assume you are a christian, if truly the world was designed what makes you think it was only one person or entity that designed it?, Buildings stand because of a group effort, Cars run because of collective expertise, Space shuttles go into orbit due to the colloboration of people from different fields and discipline, the internet wasnt made by one person...
So how can you now say assuming the world was designed that it had only one designer?

Dejideji1:
Bro, it's the illusion of Time that is causing all this argument. i hope you know there are certain drugs that can alter someone's sense of time?

I understand your point, what i am asking is how did you come about this knowledge of a God outside space and time when we are all bound to it and cant leave it?

As a scenerio, its like a man born blind explaining how red is...how does he know when he has never seen anything before in his life?

Dejideji1:
Answering that question will lead to infinite regression of causes. And i feel this is where most Atheist miss it. God is not bound by the dimensions of space and time, God is outside of time meaning he has been existing before time began.

He created time so as to achieve cause and effect so that there will be consequences for every action taken. It's only something that is bound by time that can be created (meaning having a starting point) So God doesn't need to be created.

when we talk about eternity (in religion) it simply means timelessness and that is in heaven, the abode of God. As humans will find it extremely hard to comprehend since we are operating in a system governed by space and time.

If we are operating in a system governed by space and time, and we cant leave it...then tell me, how do you know that God is outside space and time(when obviously you havent been outside it yourself)?

ettaetta:
here is my proof. The things God created are far beyond human understanding. See this,

Which of them is more complex, the worlds fastest super-computer, the worlds most advanced robotic system, the Space Shuttle, or, an Earthworm? . How much more a complex human created by God

You ddnt prove anything, you just compared artificial things with a natural thing...

I wasnt asking how great an engineer God is, i asked for proof of his existence...

Mind you, there is no prove that the earthworm was created by God or any other thing by the way, it came to be by Natural selection until you prove otherwise sha...

blueAgent:
Those are bones of Dinosaurs and other monster creatures destoryed during the conflict.

No, bones of dinosaurs date back to 65million years ago

What i am talking of is "Homo sapiens sapiens" aka Modern humans (your species) bones that are 200,000years old, how do you explain that?

ettaetta:
Five Questions for Atheists. l'l go straight to the point.

Short and precise...nice work

1.What caused the universe to exist?

We use science to find out whats true in the world, but noone said science has all the answers, thats why scientists keeps on research and proposing theories...
Noone knows what caused the universe to exist as of now, but to say God did it is just bad logic and opens the floor for more questions, what caused God to exist?

2 What is the Evidence for Evolution?

There are lots of evidence

1. Fossil records
2. Homologies
3. Distribution in time and space
4. Embrology
5. Paleontology
6. DNA (which is probably the cement that seals it)

3 how do we account for the origin of diffrent languages spoken by humans?

Just like living things, languages evolve...example is Latin, it evolved to French and English, it wasnt a one day thing, it was a very slow process that happened to two distinct latin speaking groups who changed their syllables one sound at a time until they became so distinct

4 Why do we not see humans being born in the zoos from monkeys if we came from monkeys?

First of all, humans did not come from monkeys, we share a common ancestor.
Secondly, Evolution doesnt work like that...Was there a day you slept as a child and woke up an adult?
No...its d same here, the changes happened slowly over millions of years

5 what evidence can you offer that God does not exist?

It is not the atheists job to offer evidence that God doesnt exist, its yours
You are making the claim not me

Imagine this scenerio, i tell u i have a flying horse thats invisible
You say its a lie, i should prove it
Then i say, no, you offer me evidence that i dont have an invisible flying horse...

How does that sound?

Modern philosophers say that some people fear death because they would miss out on all the things that would happen, e.g Humans colonizing mars or the galaxy, True A.I computers and all that stuffs, e.t.c

Its true but if you give it a second thought, what about all the things you missed before you were born? It didn’t seem to bother you that much…

You have been dead for 13.8 billion years before you were born, and it did not seem to bother you in anyway, why think it would bother you again after your last breath?.

davien, ValentineMary, Redlyn, HardMirror, hahn et al

Many philosophers has had a run on this subject and one of them is probably the world’s foremost; Socrates.

Socrates didn’t think we could know if there’s an afterlife or not, but he thought there were really only two possibilities:

a. Death is a Dreamless sleep
b. Death is a passage to another life

In both possibilities, there was nothing to fear about.

Epicurus who lived about 100years after Socrates did not believe in the afterlife and thought option A was most likely but he too didn’t believe death was something to fear.

This was his argument;

-Death is the cesation of sensation
-Good and evil only make sense in terms of sensation
-So, Death is neither good nor evil

So what he was trying to say is that if something is bad only because it feels bad, then death cant be bad because you cant feel it. Its just non-existence and the fear of non-existence is not only stupid but it gets in the way of enjoying life.

How you feel about Death is probably shaped by whether you believe in an after life or not.

The fear of death has plague mankind ever since we discovered its an inevitable end and thus has brought about philosophies associated with it.

Ancient Egyptians believed that when you die, you heart would be weighed with a feather, the heavier your heart is, the more likely you would be sent to the underworld.

Ancient Greeks believed that all mortals go to the underworld(which was the domain of Hades).

Judeo-Christian and Islamic worldview believes that at death, you would be judge on your deeds on earth which would determine whether you go to Heaven which is a place of eternal bliss or Hell which is a place of eternal torment.

Eastern Philosophies on the other hand believes that life is a cycle and death is just a point that connects the beginning of a circle to the end.
Death is a topic many people dread and the only people who know what death is or feels like is the Dead (or do they?)

My simple take on this is that the question is invalid...

Imagine a lightning striking a tree at random and it starts a fire, the fire spreads around the forest burning everything in its wake...

Does that fire have a purpose?, i dont think you can even begin to ask that kind of question...

So life doesnt have a purpose anymore than pluto has a purpose, but we humans have evolved sentience and knowledge and consciousness(or the illusion of it), and by that, we can now define a purpose to our lives and the life of every other species on this planet and possible the galaxy...

Dawdy:
Your analogy is dumb. If I hadn't seen gun before and someone told me that gun killed. I had to believe him, because he told me based on the experience he might have had about the gun. Perhaps he used it himself or it was used in his presence. He didn't just assume that gun killed because he had dream that gun killed.

The reverse is the case here. They said "earth is rotating around the sun 67000 mph." though, they never saw earth rotation. just speculations. How come when we jump up on the moving earth we land on the same spot? The said if you threw something up inside the moving car, it wouldn't fall down far behind you. Is something moving straight compared to rotating object? We asked, "what makes earth rotate" they said gravity. They can't really explain how the so called force of gravity. They just assume it pulls everything down. And the only example they gave is that if you threw something up it would fall down. Why the so called gravity allowed me to throw something up in the first place? The same gravity can't pull smoke down. If the Sun's gravity is constantly pulling planets toward it, why hasn't the Earth been pulled into the Sun?

The law of gravity pull the to the earth to the sun can easily be broken whe a bird flies. They gave another excuse that gravity is the strongest and the weakest force. What make gravity strong and weak? Gravity remains unproven theory not fact at all. And if the gravity is removed in astronomy, what is left is zero.

Oh, now i realize...you are a troll, ddnt know, my bad...

Dawdy:
They say light is moving 300000 km/s did you just believe that without questioning how they arrived to that conclusion? Or yo actually know h
The speed of light yourself. You said "they are trustworthy" they are not! The people who faked moon laning are not trustworthy.

I would assume you havent killed someone before with a gun(if you have, more grace to your elbows).

If i asked you to take a gun, point it at your mother and shoot, would you?

why wouldn't you try it out?

you havent shot a gun before

you cant just believe what they say about guns without trying it yourself nah, can you?

johnydon22:
Please what sort of life would survive and thrive without the sun and how?

I do agree with him on a basic level, there are some lifeforms that survive independantly of the sun in the deepest of the oceans, they get their energy from hydrothermal vents in the ocean floor...so those kind of life could probably survive and evolve to adapt to the change in geography.

it is the knowledge of these life-forms that have driven scientists to find out more about europa and its ocean and the high possibility of life thriving there from some form of geo-thermal energy source instead of the sun

captainnigeria:
Thanks. It just pains me that a lot of people don't understand this stuff and how impossible it is for science to be wrong. If the theory is wrong it is abandoned. People will make excuses for each verse in the bible or quran no matter how stupid it sounds. They still try to rationalize everything. loads of bollocks if you ask me

Hi bro, Nice writeup...i have gotten to a point where i dont argue with theist anymore, to all man is own, and i hear things like "when we die, we would know who is right", and it pains me alot, you know why?, its because when we die, we wont know that we are dead talkless of knowing who got it right...so leave the misinformed to their misinformation and try to educate the young and willing to learn for thats the only way we can move the human race forward

Amazing write up...too long to read in my opinion but nice one, you get a thumbs up for that


In other news, i would continue in my godless nature, fear, corruption and perversion...

and please ask yourself why its the bible we fear, why not the quran or the torah?...

I had a gf who complained i say "i am sorry" too much ...

Sincerely, i say it to avoid fights, i hate fights and conflicts and it wont take anything for me to say sorry if i feel it would avoid that...but i was insulted for saying i am sorry...

How do one come back from that?

davien:
I've been asking theists why god needs a throne for ages now... does it get tired of standing?

When did it decide to make a sit when they say it was the only thing existing?

Where did it know anything talk less of everything if nothing existed before it?

How does it manage to be eternal without dependence on anything to achieve or maintain this?

How could it speak any language since it is the only thing there ever was? isn't language a common thing among groups of people?

What does it need nostrils for and how did it come by it when there wasn't anything to smell in existence?

It's questions like these many folks forgo when they invent and worship gods with human features and characters..

You have a brain, use it..

Bro...you are the real MVP...

blueAgent:
while Scientist using mordern dating  technology believe the world is over 17Billion years old.both groups are partly right.

The age is actually 13.8 billion years, not 17 billion...

So Man has been on earth for about 6000yrs as accounted by christains.

How do you explain the bones of humans that are 200,000years old

This would be fun...lol

johnydon22:
So the trans-neptunian object dubbed planet X is a hypothetical planet issued to explain the perturbation of the ice-giants orbits but calculations suggest this might be due to Neptunes Mass.

After the international Astronomical Union disclassified pluto as a planet, this hypothetical planet was called Planet Nine(its no longer Planet X)

Enjoying the thread by the way(thank Zeus its back)...

Depends on the definition of a soul.

Some sects like the jehovah witnesses believe once you are living, you are a soul, a living entity with sentience...i can agree with that and conclude it does make sense in that respect...

A soul in terms of the average christian sect which is an immaterial being that controls the body and survives the death of the body, that obviously doesnt make any sense...

KingEbukasBlog:
Wait , you see what being born

New star systems

Her manner of approach is so horrible...whats hard in saying "Thanks but no thanks"...some chicks sha

ettaetta:
who then created the womb

It formed in her own mother's womb...

KingEbukasBlog:
do you have photos and videos of this process taking place , accretion I mean

No, but we can infer because we see new systems being born and its safe to say ours wouldnot be any different

ettaetta:
who created your brain?

What makes you think it was created?, it formed in my mothers womb...

AdoptedSon:
That Bill Gates is the richest makes him egocentric
that we are poor in Nigeria makes USA and other capitalist states egocentric.
That Usain Bolt is the faster of Tyson Gay and Gaitlin make him egocentric.
That Blessing Okagbare is the fastest woman in Africa makes. her egocentric
That Richard Dawkins is one of the greatest atheist living and not you here on naira land talking Bladderash makes him.egocentric.

The rule of thumb all things are not equal. All fingers are not equal.Not Everyone may be successful
Do you know how many people you beat to win that contract?
Do you know how many people you move 1 steps down ward so you can clinch first position or first prize.

You are too Selfish. (from your point of view)

Oga mi, what are you saying because you are just going off point...

I said there is no initial purpose to life, we got here by accident, but we are here, so we give ourselves purpose...

You claimed that since you are alive then you have a purpose because others are dying, i responded with saying you are being egocentric(i.e thinking everything revolves around you), that what about the other people dying every 8 seconds as you claimed, do they have a purpose as well? Or are you the only one with purpose?...

Now, you start replying with off topic points...

If you think i wasnt insulting you by saying you were being selfish, then you misread me, i was describing your view on the matter...your last statement was obviously uncalled for...

AdoptedSon:
Donnffd, what you explained is purpose? every 8seconds people die, why not you? you are no way special.

Take a look at child death rate, why have you not died from Polio, Malaria and the likes. Accidents, worldwars surviving all point to purpose.

Everything work together for a purpose. You can read Rick Warren's Purpose Driven Life (not so sure that's the author name).

That I beat every other sperm cell shows Purpose, it might have been anybody. also, my sperm cell was a great sprinter: Usain-bolt like. (winks)


Johnydon22, I see you.

You see my problem with that, its selfish, you are here because everything works together for you and it means you have a purpose...that is too egocentric.

You talked about the people dying from diseases and world wars...they dont have purpose?, they are just dots that should be cleaned from your storyline?, the other sperms that were slower were just there to make you feel special? Is that it?

Only when you step out of your own perspective and view the world from a strangers eyes would you fully grasp the meaning of our shared humanity...