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Martinez19:
First and foremost, Gen. 19:16 confirms the misuse of Lord to mean the angels(study deeply the originals if you have) . What actual was going to happen was a natural disaster the first time of it's happening. The right conversation between Abraham and these angels in Gen. 18 was '... If you see so and so number of righteous people will you do all you can to protect the city?' the angels replied in affirmative. Even if Abraham had reduced the number to one, they would still have responded in affirmative. Remember I told you that they were on a rescue mission. They were to tell the whole city about the forthcoming disaster but instead the people gave them no chance preferring above all things to rape the men and thus no hope for them. Preaching in public was a suicide mission for these angels.
The angels warned lot's household and lot listened unlike his son in laws who laughed it off. So what happened to the city later that night was the reigning of what seems to be to be multiple meteorites. The scientific background then was poor and it was attributed to the Lord(translators tried to make it all match but got it wrong. These translators too had poor scientific background you know before 1611 the Catholic Church then the reigning church supported the geocentric model and other erroneous believes now proved wrong. This was before the time of Newton and the likes. Going against the church was suicidal. The writer of the original text originally made the same mistake of crediting the disaster to God since it seemed supernatural). The rescue mission was for those who were willing to listen. Were lot's daughters righteous? , people who slept with their father to have children. They reached out to lot's son in laws who didn't listen, would you say they were righteous?. So you see God never masterminded the destruction . If we were as crude are they were then, we too would have attributed it to God since it seemed supernatural.
Look at Ananais and Sapphira, do you think the Lord killed them? Big no. Peter then was the head of the church and a deep study of Peter shows he was no well grounded in the knowledge of Christ. 2 Peter 3: 15-16 shows you that he later became a student of Paul's epistles. 2 Peter 3:9 shows you that Peter finally knew that God's will is for to man not to perish. How could God have killed the couple is we have forgiveness of sin through Jesus Eph. 1:7 and Col. 1:14 and there is no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus Rom. 8:1.?
If the leader, Peter, was not well grounded in the knowledge of Christ how do you expect Ananais and Sapphira to know much. Besides they have lived long under the law in which anything a prophet says comes to pass. So when peter told them they had lied, he told them they were going to die(he should have put them in order with the Word), and they so much believed it they got heart attacks both of them. Have you see people who got so frightened they slumped and died? So was the case my brother. Peter misused his words and brought about their deaths. Any question?

Martinez19:
just like I said there are errors on the part of the translators and let's point it out as I look at the story. Look at Gen.18 closely and you observe that angels in form of men were going somewhere when Abraham invited them to his house. Where were they going? They were going to Sodom and Gomorrah. After they prophesied about Isaac's coming and they were about to leave they contemplated in Gen. 18:17-19 on telling Abraham and they did in Gen.18:20-21. The use of Lord to represent God was erroneous as Abraham out of respect used it for the angels. Gen. 18:20-21 shows you that they heard about Sodom sinfulness, from who? God check it (remember they are angels). They said when they see they would know the extent of sin. Mind you they never said kill. Check it.
The problem here was the translators consistent use of Lord to represent God instead of the angels. Also note that Abraham had this mindset that God gives and take which I debunked in my earlier post (you may need to go through them) and started saying that if the angels saw so so and so people they should spear and not kill. Kill? did they mention kill? Check it out. If you compare the original Hebrew text with the king James you did be surprised at the errors of addition and the rationality of these non-Christian translators coming to play. Look at Rom. 8:1the original Greek translation did not include 'who do not walk according to the flesh but, according to the spirit'. Their rationality came in to play again because they saw the original statement as nonsensical even though it is true (when you study salvation). Matt. 17:21 was never in the original Greek translation at all. But the scholars added it because they thought believing alone can't be enough (which is a lie) and Christians are like this ie. they find it hard to believe the simplicity of God but prefer complexity and working it out. How sad
Before I finish my teaching any disagreement on the part? Mind you, the Bible is not in support of Catholics(story for another day).

Martinez19:
very good, you are a thinking man. I like people who don't just believe anything. Now, you should know that the new testament was written in Greek and old testament in Hebrew. Moreover, the men who translated the Bible to English made errors by adding a little based on their thinking and rationality as seen on comparison with the original text (though it is negligible) . The Bible says that the scripture is given by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. That word 'scripture' in Greek is verb not noun meaning that the urge to write was given by God but what was eventually written down was dependant on the writer's scope and revelation. Does 2 Sam 24:1 and 1 chronicles 21:1 appear to contradict? Yes it does, that shows you that the story's inspiration came from God but what was eventually written down was dependant on the writer's scope of understanding. Corruption inspired fela's music not the lyrics, beats and genre.
In that story of David, the person doing the mass killing was not God but the evil one and it was not God's anger but a disobedience to exodus 30:12. David made the census without a ransom for every man so the spirit of death capitalized on this opportunity and many people died mysteriously. And of course, the old testament folks(many) not knowing Satan attributed it to God. God gives and never takes.
Noah's case was not God's idea. Adam's sin caused death to reign not just in the body of man but the earth. Remember that it would have caused nothing for God to kill them right away isn't it? Why waste your time gathering animals and suffering a man to build a boat? Besides, he would have buried them as he buried Moses. During creation, God made two bodies of waters, one below(sea, rivers etc.) and one above meaning a body of water uniformly lined the upper atmosphere. Because death reigned, all was disintegrating and God told Noah to start building ahead of time. If God wanted to kill them, why allow Noah to warn them. They died simply because they would not heed Noah's advice and God's warning so they perished look at Jesus' statement in Matt. 24:37 no attributions to God. They died because they wouldn't listen.
To understand the Bible, you must read it in the light of the epistles so as to rightly divide the Word. Read Luke 9:51-56 Jesus was rejected but he showed the natured of God against His law-bred disciples. God can't, has never and will never kill anyone. He is love.
Any question before I race to Sodom and Gomorrah's story?

Martinez19:
one thing you should know is that God can't kill. It was a tradition of the old testament folks to attribute supernatural events to the workings of God as they don't have revelation of who Satan was. In fact you can count how many times Satan was mentioned in the old testament . The writer of Job knew Satan and told us that Satan, under permission, destroyed job's household but when we look at job's reply he said God gives and takes but now let me ask you who did it? Satan, why? Because he had the keys to death and hell until Jesus stripped him off it in revelations chapter 5. So you see death is the handiwork of lucifer. Remember Elisha and the little kids? Did God support their kill? No God made it that when His ordained prophets say a thing, it comes to pass as a proof that they are His so you see that was what was operating then and coupled with Elisha's misuse of power, 42 children died. And since death was involved, you know Satan was involved as he had the key to death and hell. You can now explain elijah' calling down of fire to kill 50 men. 2 pet. 3:9 shows you it is not God's will for men to die. Men die by ignorance, wrong choices and stupidity.
This lays down the preliminary of my teaching, any disagreement on your side before we discuss Adam and eve and the likes?

Martinez19:
well, we say things are hard to believe or accept because we see no correlation or logical relationship until first hand experience or deep unbiased research and reflection. As for evolution, it is true that fossils in which mysteries abound exist even for extinct species but equating it with humans because they look alike is plausible but it lacks certainty. How can animals that don't live long undergo a million years evolution? Why can't we see evolution around us?
Concerning the seeming flaws in the Bible, there are many instances where a loving God appears to kill or permit evil. Could you pick a case you know a let trash it out?

Martinez19:
when I studied philosophy, I learnt that to know something you must believe as you can't say you know but don't believe.

Scientists believe evolution but were not there during the process but they say they have evidence by virtue of similarities observed among organisms but can you rule out the fact that this similarities could mean design by Someone with a simple basic plan employing wonderful variation. Think about it.

Can you and I discuss seeming flaws in the Bible to put you in order

virginboy1:
If a Muslim pronounce and certify you to burn both in earth and in hell, how would you react?

analice107:
Hmm. You said you are SURE the trick happened while he shook the Container, as in, he trickishly switched the container with another one while still standing there before my korokoro eyes in the afternoon? Its well.
You said it was physics, and i wanted to understand the physics of lifting a car with teeth, standing up right with his hands behind his back.

Martinez19:
my brother, you just have to believe. Come to think of it, Mr A said God does not exist and Mr B said God exists. Mr A does not have the right to standardize his belief and impose it on Mr B. The same goes for Mr B. People who say God does not exist because they can't prove him or they want to go theoretical and logical. Who made this a standard basis. Is it not also theoretical possible that there exist a being perfect, all power, all knowing who created the universe and can't be seen but connected with through faith, who made it that not being able to see or hear God is a basis for His existence, that person should stand and prove it. As I can confidently tell God is very simple and real and the truth is in the bible. To know more, go around a true Bible believing church not the ones that will tell you that God placed a iceberg to sink Titanic killing millions of children or the ones that are too religious. Any thing else you want to know my brother.

analice107:
I watch Chris Angel, i am not so familiar the other guy you mentioned.
Fine, they are called tricks and on TV.
Am talking about the ones i have see with my eyes. The Jellof Rice episode its not that long ago, in the broad day light. The guy picked the Can, opened it for everyone to see the content, it was empty. He closed it, still holding it, all he did was shake it, he opened it again, hot steaming Jellof Rice, with meat. Guys collected that rice and ate.
And Why don't we UNDERSTAND THESE THINGS?
Listen dear, am a Christian and don't lay attention to what satan and his Seeds are doing, but there are stuff you come across that you cant just dismiss. Satan has his power believe it or not, these things are real.
Another Magician came up saying, those trying to explain away Magic as mere tricks, are doing so with the intent of denying aatan's existence, its all an act. All of them are in the same boat

analice107:
hmmm. okay. But one of those guys playing with knives died in another occasion. They came again, brandishing knives, slicing here and there, but silently in the crowed stood one man who had come there to challenge them with h his own potent charms. The Magic was slicing his stomach, and the knife went through and all his intestines came gushing out. The whole scattered, his colleagues tried to rush him to the hospital, he died.
What kind of tricks can you do to lift a car, a whole car with the driver still at the steering, with your teeth, lie on the floor and a car drives over you?
What about the Jellof rice inside an empty Milo Can? this one i wasn't a Child.

cloudgoddess:
No, you just described a naturalist:

"In philosophy, [naturalism] ' is the "idea or belief that only natural (as opposed to supernatural or spiritual) laws and forces operate in the world."

"a·the·ism
ˈāTHēˌizəm/
noun
disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods."

An atheist can be a naturalist. Or an atheist can have spiritual ideas that don't coincide with a naturalist worldview. Regardless the defining factor of an atheist is the disbelief in GODS, period. Stop trying to change definitions to suit your perspective, it's dishonest.

Martinez19:
Because something can't be see does not mean it doesn't exist. I know God exists and you can't prove it neither can I. The existence of many religion claiming to be the true religion, different churches with doctrines opposing each other and fake pastors makes it truth hard to be established. the truth remains one and varies not no matter what we say or believe.

analice107:
Is it that you deny these things or they don't happen where you come from?
when i was a kid, there were these Jaz men who come to entertain us with magic, afterwards sell their wares. A man will use this knife Mae Suya uses to slice through their stomach, stick it into their eyes, nothing happens. A man will lie down and a plank will be place on him, a car will drive through him, nothing will happen to him, i have seen a man who lifted a car with his teeth off the ground. he stood erect with the car by his teeth.
An Hausa man came to my village, he never went into the River, How he did it, no one knows till this day, but he tied a robe to a stick by the bank of the river and spiritually tied an Hippopotamus and pulled it to the river bank and it was killed. He never stepped inside the water.
I have seen where a man took an empty giant Milo Can , opened it for us to see it was empty, closed it, shook it and open it again, steaming hot Jellof rice filled the Can, he scoped it out and people ate it to prove it was indeed rice.
Its either you are lying or you are living in denial.

AmakaDNBStories:

Amplitron:
It depends on what the drivers perceived worth of the people in the situations are. If the fat man happens to be Mr President of another country he may chose to do nothing and kill the five homeless people from his country in order to avoid war that may kill thousands from both countries as an aftermath of the accident. Things are very complicated with humans and morals. Often we will chose a course of action that will bring less overall pains in the long run.

RoyalBlak007:
Deep sleep forever?

Ayomivic:
The Op is telling people on this forum that before he used to work for God but now he is working for Satan.

Well the true is you will either serving God or serving Satan and everybody have choice to make.

The question i will like to ask op or anybody that feel he or she can asnwer it are.

Do you know that every humanbeing that are in their right sence must surely believe something. Which mean you cannot say i did not believe anything againg. For saying God does not exist is, your believed.And you are not 100% sure that God does not exist because everything around us are evidence of God existence even your been alive is an evidence of God existence. We were created male and female and both for each other. We can see that if our sence of reasoning is functioning correctly .That is to say both male and female were intentionally and purposely created. All their characteristic are nnt just happen by mistake,it was planned by someone.Pls, think beyound my explannation.

*Do you think every creations or things on the earth and sea and sky, with their characteristics happened by chance?

* What does it entails to be Christian?

*What Christienity teaches, is it good or evil ,to you as formal pastor?

*What hardsip are in christianity that make you prefer atheism to Christianity.

You did not believe in witchcraft or magic . What kind of research have you made on that since that can be done expecially in africa?

homeboy205:
Please what do you think happen to the soul after death...

Johnny19:
ATHEIST!!!!!!!!!! Ur own hellfire go hot pass Sodom nd Gomorrah own...

Haven't yhu heard dat God honours his word more than his name or that God is not a man that he should lie neither is he a son of man that he should repent!!!!

chubbyswit:
like i typed earlier, trying to prove it to you wont make any sense. We'll only be beating about the bush. Hold on to whatever you believe in and let your spirit convict you. You'll find out the truth the moment you close the eyes of your flesh in death. Have a nice day bro

chubbyswit:
answering your questions wont make any sense to you bro since u're convinced within your mind that ur current disposition is the right step to take. We'll be only beating about the bush if i start typing cos you'll still end up hardened, ask the same God you loathe for wisdom first then maybe i might answer you. happy new month

chubbyswit:
Supernatural activities is real all you athiests die in your foolishness and regret it forever.

ichommy:
Where is my own Pepsi?

cloudgoddess:
I agree.

If childhood indoctrination suddenly became illegal, the major world religious would likely see a tremendous decline in adherents, if not total collapse within a few generations. This is because the powerful force of indoctrination is the only thing that keeps many people unquestioningly dedicated to their religions. Without it, people are free to explore science and other realms of thought, without guilt, fear of familial/societal rejection, religious bias clouding all their perceptions, or fear of hell - all which are just a few of the various factors that keep indoctrinated people subconsciously entrenched in & dedicated to their belief systems.