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bitingcool:
Infact! Yellow house ALWAYS came last in my school then. Lolllll, yellow house syndrome.
PRO UNITATE!

Luckylife:
No wonder they are called zombies!

missdebs:
hmmm, economy is down, businesses must restrategize once again

Jadonjack:
Stop deceiving this gullible pple just to scam them... Its not good

CharlyG1:
A person can get tired in a spiritual warfare.
Sometimes, a person may sleep and have a dream where he/she is fighting a very dangerous battle. When the person wakes up, he may feel very exhausted.
The thing most people don't realize is that this thing isn't actually a dream. It is the Holy Spirit that energizes a person's spirit to fight against evil powers. And this usually will make the dreamer exhausted when they wake up.


Spiritual energy like Physical energy can deplete and needs to be refilled.
Take the story of the woman with the blood issue as an example.
When she touched the helm of Jesus' garment, Jesus felt strength leave Him and He asked His disciples who touched Him. Though His disciples could not understand at that time what He meant.
Luke Chapt 8 vs 43

Spiritual energy is refilled with the word of God and doing God's will. Physical energy is refilled with food.
John chapt 4 vs 34:

Jesus said to them, "My food is to do the will of him who sent me, and to accomplish his work.

Matthew chapt 4 vs 4:

But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.


But now in the instance of prayer, you may not necessarily grow weary(except the Holy Spirit leads you on long Fasting and Prayers) when praying in the spirit for the speaking of tongues and praying in the Holy Ghost energizes a person's spirit to pray more effectively unto God. I guess this was what Analice was trying to point out. You will be able to go on long hours of prayers (depends on how the Holy Spirit wants it)
Usually the tiredness comes when you're not praying in the Spirit.


When you pray in the spirit, there is an unexplainable kind of energy the spirit enjoys. God sends His angels to fight on your behalf and He may use other methods to answer your prayers too. Warfare prayers have an instant effect on the kingdom of darkness.


You will know if you're praying in the Spirit. It will flow out from you like living water.. The words of prayers flow out, you don't force it. You will feel the vibrational energy of the Holy Ghost flowing through you in warfare prayers.
Let the Holy Spirit guide you in your prayers.
Ask that He guides you and teach you to pray.


God bless you.

SamuelAnyawu:
I Need infrastructural development in Nigeria

Who Census go Epp? Afterall, all governors will start counting Chickens, Goats and cows

Mtschhhhheeeeewwww. Next

williesmith:
Awesome thread, gonna follow it. Don´t know much about Pastor Chris Oyakhilome besides some facts I read at https://www.naij.com/tag/pastor-chris-oyakhilome-private-jet.html , but I definitely want to know more.

Emusan:
No one is forcing you to respond to any post. Like I care!

Meanwhile, I cut those statements especially the quotations because I'm using my phone not system and not time for unnecessary post.

The summary of my point here are:
1. The Apostles spoke in tongues and everybody hearing them understood what they are saying. Who interpreted it to those people? Not any human being but Holy Spirit Himself. Which means, Holy spirit is the one who gave the utterances as He wants for a purpose.

2. Do the Apostles speak to themselves on that day or edifying themselves? They edifying themselves! That's why no interpreter was needed.

3. 1 Corin 14:2 makes it clear that speaking in tongues sometimes are personal dealing with God which no man will understand.

4. It's evident from Apostle Paul's writings that speaking in tongues to deliver message to the congregation (Just like prophesying, Teaching e.t.c) is different from speaking in tongues personally to commune with God.

Summary of your confusion!

1. Your confusion stems out when you think there is only one type of speaking in tongues which is 'in congregation' that's why you think interpreter MUST always available.

2. Thinking since everyone could understand what the Apostles were saying that day, everyone speaking in tongues today must follow the same pattern forgotten that it is the Holy spirit who gave the utterance as He wills.

3. Inability to distinguish between when someone is edifying him/herself through speaking in tongues which no man understands him/her and when someone is passing a message to the congregation through speaking in tongues.

OurSchoolNews:
Consultant starts insulting you and your ancestors and a Registrar* now puts mouth.
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JMAN05:
With do respect sir, we never said the holy spirit left the earth, do not resort to lies bro. Emusan is not ready for a calm and sincere discussion. That's why I ignore him. Do u also want to be like him?

Emusan:
They are Jehovah Witness who have right to tell a part of the Bible that is LITERAL or ALLEGORY even when most Bible scholars disagreed with their claim.

That's what you get when one decides to twist the Word of God out of context.

MadCow1:
Bout what?

Emusan:
As usual I know you have nothing to say after your lies statement has been exposed.

Again, you said "That place speaks of wisdom, but this is wisdom personified. And the context shows that the bible is [size=14pt]allegorically talking about Jesus who is endowed with the wisdom of God."[/size]

And later said this "Inanimate things are often given animate attributes, even though they are not. The wisdom at Prov 8 is one example"

And finally asked after quoting some Bible scholars who gave their explanations on Prov 8 "That is just some. Don't you see reasons to accept that Jesus was the one the Father was talking to?"

Summary of your confusion.
1. Prov 8 is ALLEGORICALLY talking about Jesus Christ who is ENDOWED with the wisdom of God

2. Prov 8 is talking about INANIMATE THING that was just given an ANIMATED ATTRIBUTES.

3. Prov 8 is a prove that The Father is talking to Jesus Christ.


Confuse fellow!

Emusan:
As usual I know you have nothing to say after your lies statement has been exposed.

Again, you said "That place speaks of wisdom, but this is wisdom personified. And the context shows that the bible is [size=14pt]allegorically talking about Jesus who is endowed with the wisdom of God."[/size]

And later said this "Inanimate things are often given animate attributes, even though they are not. The wisdom at Prov 8 is one example"

And finally asked after quoting some Bible scholars who gave their explanations on Prov 8 "That is just some. Don't you see reasons to accept that Jesus was the one the Father was talking to?"

Summary of your confusion.
1. Prov 8 is ALLEGORICALLY talking about Jesus Christ who is ENDOWED with the wisdom of God

2. Prov 8 is talking about INANIMATE THING that was just given an ANIMATED ATTRIBUTES.

3. Prov 8 is a prove that The Father is talking to Jesus Christ.


Confuse fellow!

JMAN05:
If you dont mind the discussion is not between me and you. Can you possibly ignore any reply I make here. I will love it if you do.

I appreciate your understanding.

Thanks!

JMAN05:
From the bold faced phrase, you seem to imply that Jesus is not the literal word, but originated therefrom. Is this your position?

JMAN05:
That place speaks of wisdom, but this is wisdom personified. And the context shows that the bible is allegorically talking about Jesus who is endowed with the wisdom of God.

JMAN05:
Let me ask you: Do you think that God's wisdom was created?

JMAN05:
Some Bible Scholars agree that these verse is talking about Jesus.

JMAN05:
In his work, Exposition of the Epistle to the Hebrew, John Owen said after quoting Prov 8:22-31:

We must first secure this testimony against those who have attempted to deprive the church of God of its use and advantage, and then improve it unto our present purpose. In the ancient church none questioned but that the Wisdom which here discourseth is the Son of God; only the Arians greatly endeavored to corrupt the sense of one passage in it, and thereby to wrest the whole to give countenance unto their heresy.

JMAN05:
What interests me there is that he stated that this view, ie Jesus as the wisdom of that Prov 8, is an ancient belief, and he went further to condemn a belief to the contrary.

JMAN05:
A commentary called The Bible Illustrator (Old Testament), states after quoting Prov 8:30:

The delights between the Father and the Son, before His assumption of our nature, were twofold.

1. They delighted in one another without communicating their joys to any other; for no creature did then exist save in the mind of God.

That is just some. Dont you see reasons to accept that Jesus was the one the Father was talking to?

JMAN05:
Inanimate things are often given animate attributes, even though they are not. The wisdom at Prov 8 is one example, Prov 1:20-33 is another. The apostle Paul personalized sin and death and also undeserved kindness as “kings.” (Ro 5:14, 17, 21; 6:12) He speaks of sin as “receiving an inducement,” ‘working out covetousness,’ ‘seducing,’ and ‘killing.’ (Ro 7:8-11) Yet it is obvious that Paul did not mean that sin was actually a person.

JMAN05:
But we can discuss this issue of spirit if you wish. But that needs a new thread. So that we can focus this one on one topic. What do you think?

JMAN05:
If I understand you, you mean to say that the individual or the person later called Jesus in the first century AD did not exist until he was born by a virgin Mary. Or you mean that the name did not exist then?

JMAN05:
The bold-faced expression shows that you believe that Jesus came from the word. He is thus not the word. Lets break it down:

JMAN05:
Wisdom = The Word

Jesus ORIGINATED from The Word not that Jesus is the Word, at least for some time.

And Jesus is not = The Wisdom only that he originated from it/"him".

That's the implication of the statement. If that is not what you have in mind, pls rephrase
Now, lets do it this way and assume it never happened. Can you please take back your agreement you gave above to the effect that Jesus is a LITERAL Word of God, and that when God speaks, he oozes out Jesus? Can you take them back, let us close that chapter since you dont agree with the implication. Because LITERAL is LITERAL.

JMAN05:
That's not the point. Let me remind you your statement. You said: Jesus is God because he came from the Word.

You never said: Jesus is God because he came from the word and was delivered by a virgin without sperm.
Thats the point. You omitted the italized words.

JMAN05:
You omitted the italized words. As such, the word of God conveyed by an angel didnt end with Mary. Manoah's wife and Elizabeth received such, and their offspring should be called Gods if your statement is to be consistent.

You have the opportunity to take back your words or rephrase it, if you see it as a mistake. We all do err.

Let me ask the question again. I do not want you to say that it is not what you said.

If Jesus is 100% God because he is a word that proceed from God, shouldn't the word that come from Jesus' mouth be God since Jesus is in fact God? If that does not work that way, how is Jesus 100% with God

JMAN05:
By your answer above, you agree that the words that come from Jesus' mouth are 100% God. Is that what you mean?

Pls think about the implication of whatever you are going to say.

JMAN05:
For what?

JMAN05:
You said:

One dictionary define "divine" as "being God or a god or goddess."

Are you not using divine in the context of "God"? You went on to say the word carry God's DNA. Explain.

IF I misunderstand your words, pls help me understand.



You ve not answered the question. I can in fact use the same scripture against you since you dont understand the reasonableness of my stand, you are thus a natural man.

So, can we weigh our positions. I ask again:

When Jesus was on earth, and God spoke from heaven, was he also producing Jesuses?

JMAN05:
You misunderstand that verse. It does not mean that the word is literally living as if is a person.

JMAN05:
Barnes' Note states:

he "Word of God" is "what God speaks" - whether it be a promise or a threatening; whether it be Law or gospel; whether it be a simple declaration or a statement of a doctrine. The idea here is, that what "God had said" is suited to detect hypocrisy and to lay open the true nature of the feelings of the soul, so that there can be no escape for the guilty. His "truth" is adapted to bring out the real feelings, and to show man exactly what he is.

Greek zoon
- "living." It is not dead, inert, and powerless. It has a "living" power, and is energetic and active. It is "adapted" to produce this effect.

JMAN05:
Is Isaiah called the Word of God?

JMAN05:
Firstly, let me isolate this phrase: "heard THE WORD". You can only hear sound not person, is that not true?

And your associating voice with The Word and using "heard" for them shows something you dont want to admit; that The Word, to you, is the same as a voice.
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Aside from assigning personality to The Word, I agree with your statement.

JMAN05:
To you.

JMAN05:
The bible does not condemn reason/logic.

JMAN05:
What am saying is that, the bible has identified whom God used in creating many things. Granted, it was the spirit that effects those proclamations from God and from Jesus during creation. But the creation was done through Jesus as the scriptures indicate. Col 1:15, 16. Compare Prov 8:30.

JMAN05:
The problem you have stems from your assigning personality to the spirit. This spirit is an active force, not a person. For eg, it only a force that be described as overshadowing, pured out as Acts 2:17 says, not a spirit person.

JMAN05:
So, why do you say God was speaking to the "Spirit" when john 1:1 shows that Jesus had been with God before the world was? You ve not answered that question, and the bible described Jesus as partaking in creating many things? Why would He live Jesus and discuss with the spirit.

JMAN05:
In fact, Prov 8:30 shows that Jesus was the one beside God during creation. I mean beside, not in him. That shows that he is a person not a literal word.

JMAN05:
2. I agree that when God speaks a word, the spirit brings it to pass. Now, the person that spoke the word to Mary is not God, but an angel. SO even Angels voice out Jesus? Do you see how you make Jesus inanimate?

JMAN05:
You said further:
Jesus is the God because he came from the word. Does that not also mean that John the baptist is God cos he came from the word? Is Samson not also be called God cos he came from the word? I want us to reason this your stand. I don't see the reason behind them.

JMAN05:
If Jesus is 100% God because he is a word that proceed from God, shouldnt the word that come from Jesus' mouth be God since Jesus is in fact God? If that does not work that way, how is Jesus 100% with God.

JMAN05:
Think about it friend.

JMAN05:
Jhn 5:7 is not genuine.

JMAN05:
Maybe you didn't know when you implied that. Again you stated that the word Gabriel spoke is Jesus. The word he spoke was an impersonal sound. You called that Jesus.

JMAN05:
You also posit that Jesus is the LITERAL word of God. The utterance of God is an impersonal sound. This facts shows how you view Jesus as an impersonal sound.

Sir, you agreed that Jesus is the literal word of God, and that he is the word that ooze out when God or God's word comes out, that means when God speaks, he is transmitting Jesus.

Look at what you further said: The Words that God speaks has His divine life in them. They carry His DNA.

So whenever God speaks, the words have divine life called Jesus.

JMAN05:
When Jesus was on earth, and God spoke from heaven, was he also producing Jesuses? I dont mean to ridicule, but to let you see the mistake in this belief.

JMAN05:
Jesus cannot be the literal word of God. God's word is an inanimate sound.

JMAN05:
Jesus is God's word in that he is God's spokesperson just like a President today do have a spokesman. Isn't that explanation reasonable?

JMAN05:
On the question you asked, we read:

Gen 3:8-10
The man and the woman heard God's voice and hid. It was the voice that they used to recognize the one approaching. To show that it was the voice, the account said "God KEPT calling". So they heard God calling, that is why they ran.

The man helps us understand this conclusion. He stated why he hid himself:"I heard your voice in the garden". So he hid cos he noticed God was approaching from His voice he (Adam) heard.

Don't you think that this conclusion makes sense?

JMAN05:
No, no, no. If my words sounds harsh, forgive. I didn't mean to sound so. I want you to see reasons. we learn everyday.

CharlyG1:
Let the power of God shake this thread!

trueking:
A colleague of mine attended C.E for the first time and was told to start speaking in tongues, after thirty minutes and the guy saw they would not let him go if he does not speak in tongues, he resorted to praying in his native dialect, ( he's from Ogoja) and they urged him on, " that's the spirit, brother" when he left, he kept on wondering if there was anyone that could understand him there. moral of the story, Tongues no be by force.