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Haaa. . . .Do both then I guess

well its your prerogative how you choose to constitute your top 10

but jus for curiosity sake. . . .and to enlighten us with your eexpansive hiphop knowledge
what makes your top 10?

Mesmerize:
Jill Scott "A Long Walk"

That takes me back oo. Tuneeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

I think Javaprince said it best- - - - - -all these music should be taken as entertainment at best
not some world changing, life affirming, revolutionary piece of music.

although 400 mils sure would revolutionise my lifee

davidylan:
You mean this "process"?

These satirists no go kill person ooo

Tactical nous eh?

I am not going to slag a brother for making some dough, but most of the
business moves these people make are no-brainers.

Leveraging your success/image is nothing new in any business.

chiogo:
Hahahaa, most of 'em still sell crack even though they now rap. How do you think they are so rich?? from just rapping? nah, roflmfao.

abi oo. . .they don't tote guns anymore either. Wonder what all those guns in TI'S possesion were for.
Lighting his candles eh Hannibal.?

This is what i don't get about you rappy-heads.

I never compared the skills of Biggie to any of the Wu Tang(although GZA is a deep brother)

I WAS COMPARING ALBUMS.

I don't care if Daddy Showkey called BIGGIE the Selassie of AJ City.

I said 36 Chambers was a better album than Ready to Die. Shikena

We might not compare a rap group to a solo artiste, but we sure can compare their out put.

36 Chambers with all its humor/wordplay is in my opinion a better album than Ready to Die. Kapish

And by the way. . . .is reminding me you are Jackal meant to give some sort of HIPHOP Rank?
You would have been better served calling yourself a MEERKAT.

Hannibal:
@ Doyin13,

Somebody help me. . . . . . .Doyin wants to lecture me on Hip-Hop.
Hombre, there's no era in Rap Music, i grew up listening to Rap music. . . . .sneak away from school to buy CDs in em days.
I will sit u down with chalk in me hands and lecture u about RAP.

I listened to ILLMATIC when it came out. . . . . It wasn't really CLASSIC but NY just needed a tonic to quench Dr Dre/Snoop Dog's west coast beats.
"The Chronic" was better lyrically and the beats were OMG. . . . .
If u need history lessons on the birth of Hip-Hop in the early 90s. . . .Please holla at me. We can start with WU-TANG CLAN.

P.S. I loved Rap so much when i was a kid, i skip my meals just to watch Yo! MTV Raps.

Saved by Google eh Jackal. . . . . . .

Well if you know your wu tang, I would hope you would place 36 chambers above Ready to Die

But I am suspicious of your credentials considering you think FIDDY is the greatest thing to
happen to rap in recent times.

Hannibal:
You left me gobsmacked with the comment above!!!

What else can the FG do for the Niger-Delta region? These buncha violent youths see oil as their God-given rights but then, it belongs to Nigeria.
I don't know how truthful it is but i heard Niger-Delta students get the highest scholarship and are more likely to be employed in em Oil Companies than students from the other parts of Nigeria.
However, these kids don't even want to educate and get trained. . . . . All they know is bunkering and sabotage.
It gets to a point that this ugly-headed hydra forces the Federal Government's hands to meet FIRE with SUPER POWER.

Well I guess these Youths should thank the FG over its generosity and magnanimity.

I wonder if you would thank me in the same way if I seized your salary, keeping almost 80per cent for myself
and giving you a special treat to TFC every weekend for your silence over the gross injustice.

javaprince:
@ALL
Rap is now more of a business, hence most of these rappers just say anythint to sell their albums. Most of the stories they "Yan" aren't true at all or over exagerated. Then this rappers say the "dirtiest" things and "actions" and they are REALLY the worst role Models. I love Tupac, and Nas but you need to watch/isten to some of Tupac's Uncut Videos , Biggies' and Snoop dogg LEWD tracks to get the Picture. At times they just sound like Obesere - the lewd musician.

To ALL whatz INSpIRATIONAL about Guns, Killings, and bitch bleeping? Stealing and drug dealing?

I used and still to listen to TuPAC and rap hiphop - but THERE IS NO DOUBT IN MY MIND THAT I AM JUST BEEN ENTERTAINED AND MUST NOT DERIVE MY INSPIRATION 4RM THERE.

My 2 cents

That statement is worth a lot more than two cents if you ask me.

Hannibal:
@ Doyin13,

You only listen to the radio friendly ones like "juicy" "big poppa" and "one more chance"
One thing i love about Rap music is the fact that best tracks rarely make the radio/TV(it's reserved for the rap addicts).
Listen to "gimme the loot", "warning" and "the what" and come back n gimme the testimony. These are prophetic rhymes.
They are classics.

I love Stillmatic but grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. . . . . . . .Ready to die swallows it every day of the week LYRICALLY.

Guy. . . .I guess you have never heard ILLMATIC then. NOT STILLMATIC.

And you simply made my point for me. . . . . . . ,  .All of ILLMATIC was on point.
It wasn't sullied by any radio friendly clap trap.

B T W Trust me, you don't want to be educating me on mid 90's hip hop. That was my era

When I need gist on FIDDY or SOULJA BOY I will holla

Hannibal:
The best hip-hop album ever? I disagree with you.
Ready To Die is the best hip-hop album ever made(It's like a story book).

It seems you must have had a lot of sardines for dinner as a little pickney

Seriously though, I do appreciate why some would choose Ready to Die as their fave hip hop album.

As for me, ILLMATIC is just symbolic of what hiphop should be. A collection of songs that spoke
from the the very core of a young man growing up in a harrowing environment.

They were no love-vendor adulating tales a la Biggie's one more chance, or overly sobby tracks like 'juicy' which
you seem to love so much.

The beats, the lyrics, every thing just gelled. Social relevance meets 'poetic talent' is ILLMATIC

I never said Rap Music should be banned. Far from it.

But I think we should analyse it for what it really is.

A bunch of infantile misfits, no cleverer than your average sweettalking street love-vendor,
glorifying the law of the jungle. In between, they make a few songs to try to prove
they have a mother or never knew their father, and in other cases rail against an Establishment
that made them fat cats.

[quote author=A-40 link=topic=6372.msg2433448#msg2433448 date=1214672148]@Hannibal
Like Nas doesnt drop commercial tracks? Nas is good but he is over rated yall make it sound like all Jigga spits is Money,Cash,Hoes and thats not true.Lets assume Nas just edged it please tell me how many rappers can sell out MSG in a day for their retirement gig let Nas try and pull that one off.American votes indeed[/quote]You are equating commercial success with talent abi?

Jay Z has been very astute in his choice of beats, I will give him that.

But despite his subsequent shortcomings, Nas is forgiven for GIVING us the best hip hop album ever- - - -ILLMATIC.

So for that singular achievement, I will always vote Nas.

hmm. . . .I was only being sarcastic young lady.

And I guess I should be encouraging on your endeavours to take action
over such a delicate issue. Keep it up.

Well if Kanye West's Diamonds was your initiation into the travails
of the diamond trade in West Africa, all I can advise is that you read
the papers and watch the CNN or BBC a lot more.

I also hope West's Jesus Walks was not your first time of hearing about Jesus.

How a man chooses to source his income should not be determined
by anybody else let alone 'foreigners'.

If he wants to gain his livelihood rapping about the parlous state of his
riverine existence, so be it.

The Deltans had a lifestyle pre-oil that involved their farmlands and their rivers and little school.

Are you trying to tell me they should accept the corruption of this lifestyle without comment, even delayed as it is?

The resolution of this crisis as far as the FG is concerned is simple. Full allocation of all proceeds from the oil to the
local community. It might not stop the local fighting, but it will stop it from being a federal issue.

I don't think you got my argument bruv


Firstly, I did not in any way try to discourage any rapper from pursuing
a career in rap music. If he wants to rap about sardines for dinner and earn
money while doing so. So be it.

I simply argued Rappers don't say much.
There is nothing overtly profound or anyhow useful in their poetry.
The ubiquity of lyricists who put words together is a testament to that I think.
So if Rap is Life and consequently you live your life to the tune of a rap
lyric, then you are in a sorry state.

The social observations might have been revealing in the lyrics of the first rappers, but they
have been repeated so often to the point of redundancy.

There are only so many ways you can describe the ghetto, and new hiphop
sounds increasingly desperate.

That it is a commercial enterprise is no slight on rap. But when connosieurs take
it too seriously and try to pass it on as some sort of perspicacious art form, it sounds
as ridiculous as calling Tracy Emin's famous 'unmade bed' art.

Well I guess the tipping point has been breached.
What I find most remarkable is that it took so many
decades since the tiny revolt of Adaka Boro for the
Deltans to show any kind of armed resistance.

The polluting of the rivers, the flaring of the gases preceded
the pick up of arms, so i guess the community is very much used
to it at this point in time.

And for a change, it is pleasing that by and large the beneficiaries
of these corruption of the Delta are also feeling the pinch. It is not
confined to the 'common people' alone.

I guess my own viewpoint is tainted by my desire for the Militants to WIN.

They might be criminal elements amongst them, but whether criminal or genuine
freedom fighter, these anti-state elements have their origin in the failure and unfairness
of the state in addressing Niger Delta issues.

Rappers are very good at putting words together, I will give them that
but if you gain your life lessons from listening to rap, then you are as irredemable
as the Projects themselves.

There is a difference between sounding smart and actually giving realistic solutions
to life's problems.

Rappers like Common, Talib, Dead Prez come up with the most unrealistic propositions
one can imagine. Their words might be emotive, they might even show brief episodes of
incisive observation, but often times they simply put words together without any
degree of feasibility in the pictures they frame.

But what I can't stand with Rap is when an artist makes a ten track album, nine of them
being the usual gangster drabble and then the perfunctory one or two tracks dedicated to their
mother or social issues apparently to display a soft side.

@A-40

my comparison might have been a tad facetious but I still maintain Marion's game isn't worth the
huge contract he has and his move to the Heat at the tail end of last season proved it.

He is athletic yes, defensively dynamic but he is no better than a good third option on a team.

I am yet to be convinced he can really create his own shots off the dribble.

A spot up shooter earning 19 mil per. . . . . . .Gimme a break jo

naijacutee:
[color=#000099]Wow! Omoovie sounds like my twin!! I only do[b] world music [/b]and rock. I've tried to enjoy mainstream stuff in th epast - it didn't work. Sadly,though, most of the artists I enjoy are slightly less popular but they rock!! Switchfoot, POD, Creed, Evanescence, Red, Red Hot Chilli Peppers, Stained, Good Charlotte (Bad, I know!), Blink 182, Demon Hunter, Emery, Blindside, Relient K, Pax217, Pillar, The Almost,  Ok I'll stop now,  but it would be nice to know that other Naija people know/enjoy these music types :-)

Did you just say World Music?

I am hopeful ooo. . . .Which part of the world.

well i will be doing players in his earnings bracket a disservice
if i used them for comparison.

millco88:
That's all ya got?

I base my logic on factual, objective evidence and that's what you can bring to the table?

Guy, speak English

But seriously. . , I feel stats are overated. A bloody American pastime.

I know what I see, and what me I see is an overpaid Shawn Marion. Kapish

Stillwater. . . .you do well oo

See as your Echo just dey rig round this thread,

I will extricate myself. . . .so as not to disturb the fengshui of the room