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princfred:
You wey be professor of research but cant mention any. Imagine goat. And one shouldn't need to research first before knowing such structures by churches it should be staring in our faces just like the ones build by missionaries do.

I've modified. Sha lemme type it again.
Habitation of Hope by RCCG.

CodeTemplar:
There are no cheap universities anywhere, either private or public. For example the FG spends average of N430, 000 per year on each UI undergraduate.

Take a look at the type of people on this page. Will they want to believe if you tell them that?
They don't know their education is being subsidized. Heck, some don't even get the concept of a subsidy.

princfred:
Keep trying to deceive yourself. How many of those Rehaps , orphanages and schools for blind deaf or physically challenged were built by your so called GO saints? You want to make mouths with the ones missionaries built and left deceptive mumu. Mention.

They did not build free uni's but what they did build were free or affordable and they built it for people not even their race while we are here preaching that churches should build things the poor of their own race can afford not just to favor the rich and you are bleating about.

Bye bye. It's obvious you have nothing reasonable to say, that's why you resort to insults.
Habitation of Hope by RCCG.
Conduct your own research and learn. Don't type uninformed.
Peace.

Ihateyoumod:
Accept it ur church has conformed and aligned itself to the standards of the world, guess who sets d standards of the world??....Satan.....u all have been brainwashed by Satan that's y u believe the church cannot offer cheap education.

Wow. There's actually someone who thinks a private jet and it's maintenance cost can fund a private university.
#ThisIsNigeria!

Ihateyoumod:
Keep kwayet...where did I say a jet will cover the running cost of a university......... U mentioned something's the university needed money to cover......so r u saying the cost of one or two of these things cannot be covered with the cost and maintenance of a jet.

Mind u some of these churches own more than one jet....so wht r u saying...

A church university is like covenant, redeemers can not be cheap because they had conformed and aligned with the standards of the world......... That's d point u r making here

So the maintenance cost of the Jets will cover for the universities expenses right? That's exactly what you're saying.
Aligned with the standards of this world. So they should create their own country and economy?
Have you ever seen a cheap private university before? Why are you typing like an illiterate?

princfred:
You are the one with a closed mind. Where are the Rehaps, orphanages and free secondary schools missionaries built? Where they stupid to build things that were cheap and affordable the poor? Imagine . Why didn't they start building things out of the reach of the poor in their names? Ask your selfish GO's those questions.

Now you're contradicting yourself. There are many rehabs and orphanages in Nigeria. You have constantly deviated from the point of this thread. Your points are finished.
Bye bye. When your missionaries build a free university, come and tell me.

Ihateyoumod:
By the way is the standard of d world now d churches standard....this shows how much d church has fallen

Peace. You saw series of questions and you came to give one generic statement making no sense whatsoever.
Bye bye. All of you have lost your points

Ihateyoumod:
The money spent on jets and it's maintenance will handle all these expenses...after all d money comes from the people abi....use ur brain nah

Like I said, poverty mentality. If someone tells you a jet was bought with 2 billion dollars now, you'll believe it.
Because you've been hearing of how expensive it is to manage, you say a jet will cover the running costs of a university. You have no idea how you sound.
A private university can never be free/cheap. That is a fact.

drealtruth:
Thanks for the swift response I did a little research and I found this link http://www.davidoyedepofoundation.org/portal/scholarship/register/ but it's not opening.

I'm trying to open it too. Check Covenant's website directly or inquire at Winner's Chapel. Though it must have closed by now.

princfred:
They left and government took over and made them not free.

White Christians who built Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Yonsei, Notre dame for the rich also built and contributed to building free /cheap schools , orphanages etc for the poor even for Blacks. Why black pastors and christians own must not be affordable to the poor?

The point here is that they did not build free universities anywhere. And the ones they built are not cheap either.
They also have scholarships for the poor to attend their secondary schools. Stop closing your mind.
If you know you're determined to leave here with the same mindset you came with, then inform me now. I can't be typing to someone who's not willing to accept when he's wrong.

drealtruth:
hello, I've not heard of one, do you have a link where one can apply for the scholarship online or otherwise? Awaiting your response, Thanks.

Wow. For Winner Chapel and Covenant/Landmark, I think you should apply to the David Oyedepo undergraduate scholarship foundation (I think this year's own has passed). Inquire at the church if you're a member.
I don't know much for other churches.

princfred:
You've gone from "no cultists in those universities " to 4 or 5. Now, hw many cultists do you think it takes to launch a reprisal attack? But thats BTW. The major point you are trying to deflect from remains that real missionaries gave blacks orphanages, free and close to free primary/secondary schools etc most but your black pastors rather establish business in their name than establish those things that can be affordable to their fellow blacks who contributed to them. And your attempt to deny, downplay or deflect from that fact makes you sound retarded.

Oya now, tell where you heard of reprisal attack in Covenant or any of the other universities.
I'm not denying anything here. They gave free secondary schools, I agree (even though the government took some of them over because they weren't free )
Your missionaries did not build any university here, not to talk of making it free. There is no free university in the world. The "missionary" universities are 10 times more expensive than Covenant.
Covenant is affordable to Nigerians and that is why it doesn't lack students. They give scholarships to the intelligent but poor among them and that is enough.
If you're not smart enough to pass scholarship exam, and your pocket no reach , then go to where your pocket reach.

kennypoka2:
That's why I had refused to write an epistle to reply you earlier. You are so opinionative... I leave you to your assertions...

Lol. Youths are afraid to make the change they seek for even when it's at their doorstep.
Bye bye yo.

kennypoka2:
They can run a standard university and make better avenues for more poor people to attend such institutions. Every Christian leader should answer this question, are these universities in line with God's teaching? Because if it is, then I don't understand the objectives of the church anymore. I have friends that after their study in these so-called universities are still looking for jobs. We can't keep justifying these practices and expect changes in our country. If these leaders that claim to be serving same God can't come together and think of ways to include the poor in their educational scheme, then what's the point? The world should be separated from the church. The way things are done in anything church-related is different. Because God is concerned about winning more souls and if anything they're doing is not winning souls then why do it? They all want to build universities even one that just started yesterday. The church I attend are seriously tasking the members to complete their university but their secondary schools and primary school are nothing to write home about. Instead of aiming to build universities that doesn't cater to the poor, why not just concentrate on the secondary schools, make it better, bigger and more conducive for children to attend. I believe building universities without including the poor in the agenda is wrong and evil and shouldn't be encouraged. These churches are meant to be the moral pillar of the society, with them around, the nation is meant to be better. But, reverse is the case in Nigeria... I'm not blaming religion for where we are presently but I can boldly say they contributed to it.

So all the talk about the existence of scholarships for members, your eyes did not see any of them. Because you're friends are still looking for jobs, we should now overlook all the other people who benefitted and are benefitting positively from these schools.
No offense but if one does not take his/her studies seriously enough, then he/she has no one to blame when they see no job. Because they aren't qualified for it. Stop assuming that because you went to a good university, that every employer will fall at your feet. In those universities there will be first class and there will be third class.

From what you've typed, I've seen that your own church is the problem you have. Which church is that?
And since you're there, all this change you're advocating for online, why don't you say it out there. You're in a better position to cause the change you're looking for.

CoolAmbience:
It's okay. I think I now get your view on publicity of good works that Churches do, especially in terms of industrialization.

While I respect your lack of interest in the lifestyles of some clergymen, my view on this is in the contrary, as they are just like anyone else and should be criticized when they do something wrong.

All men are equal before God. If we can criticize national leaders, I don't see why clergymen shouldn't be criticized when they err.

But the clergymen can criticize anyone right?

Everyone gets criticized and everyone can criticize. My own is that I don't care.
If others care about the pastors lifestyle, fine, no problem. I see it as a waste of my time.

Augustenite:
Bro, dey can as well invest in the health sector where all their members both the rich and the poor can benefits. Not having 2 universities . what is the essence of producing jobless graduate. More also, must all of them have a university, some of them should think of building a technical colleges where they will train and at the end equipped their graduates with necessary startup equipment, so from there reducing the rate of unemployment and helping the poor in their church. Either you like it or not .THEIR MAIN AIM IS TO MAKE MORE MONEY INTO THEIR SELFISH POCKET AND NOT TO ASSIST THE SOCIETY.

Providing free health care is not investing in the health sector? Hmm.
So the chance that they may be jobless is a good enough reason to let youth wallow in poor education right?
I know churches that train youth on workable skills, and empower them at the end. Try searching next time.
And I don't care what their main aim is, they have done what your government could not do. And nowhere in the world will you find a cheap/free private university. Nowhere!
It's poverty mentality that's causing all this. There are people in this same Nigeria that pay 12 million per year for education that is slightly above what private uni's here offer.
Go to where your pocket can afford. Don't be looking for free private university. You might as well have asked manna to fall from heaven.

princfred:
If you believe their are zero cultists in private universities you are simply delusional. Again, if churches want to upgrade government universities they can. If they want to establish things the poor can afford, they can.

You know what? Fine. So to you, the 4 or 5 cultists out of thousands of students (who know they'll get expelled and imprisoned if they try rubbish) are enough to cause a reprisal. Well done. Continue.
No one will build on a faulty foundation when they can establish a completely new one. Peace.

Leopantro:
will the education guaranty their salvation. the aim of the church was for spiritual salvation and fulfilment. A place where the word of God was sought and his teachings via the holy spirit was impacted to his followers. at lease that's me thinking, not ranting. i have carefully read all your post and i can't find anywhere where the pursuit of God's mandate and knowledge was forefront. instead, you talked about standard of education, maximaizing intellectual achievement and economics of running a university.

remember there was schools of teaching when Jesus was alive but people left their work and such schools to sit at Jesus's feet to listen to his teaching. many were poor but he fed them with fish and bread.

will building of these universities glorify God's teachings or improve Man's understanding of Education?

Why are you talking as if you've not heard of Covenant University before?
Is it not people like you that are always complaining about church universities and their strict insistence on Christianity. Calling them advanced secondary schools because they don't allow pointless youthful exuberance.
Now you're asking all these questions.
It's like you just came here to ask random questions. Covenant University does all that you're asking about now. And that wasn't even a topic for discussion on this thread because everyone knows how strict the universities and their rules on religion are. Na wa oh.

princfred:
Are you trying to proof their is no way church can upgrade existing universities if they are interested? Their is a big difference between church and Rehaps my friend stop deceiving yourself.
The church members need to be direct security personnel but can support in a million and one ways after all they also provide security in their owm universities without fear of reprisal attack by cultists on thrir members . Again its about interest.

Wow. Why will they fear reprisal when there are no cultists in those universities in the first place
It's like you've lost your points.

Meklex:
Why open Universities if it's more costlier than an average university? It's not even that they are ranking best or anything, so why bother to establish something as sub par as the existing universities only with tuitions that you'll to pay through your nose? Why?

Afterthoughts: Churches shouldn't be building Universities in the first place, they should build NGOs instead. The church is already an institution of learning, why build schools? Why?

Take a trip to Covenant or Elizade ( I'm sure you've not even heard of Elizade ).
Check them out and then come and tell me in what way they are "sub par".

If the government will not give quality education, someone must do it. It's only Nigeria you see a university collecting 25k as tuition. Then later people will start complaining that the universities don't teach well. How will they when they're not being properly funded?

Leopantro:
my questions are
1. MUST churches build universities? what happened to the definition of the word "church"? if churches now require physical buildings to impart the morals of Christianity then the orginal concept of the word "church" has bern forgotten.
2. with so many universities currently in the country and including those that secured higher qualifications outside the country, where are the jobs these graduates will occupy? people are lossing jobs left, right and center. people with masters and PH.d are working in banks and applying to be drivers in Dangote companies. if the graduates now cannot generate jobs for the populace, will it be the special graduates from these universities?

The purpose of the universities is to raise a standard better than the ones of the current public universities which are falling by the day.
If people had proper education, a job wouldn't be their only means of survival. Besides, I've seen a vast majority of Nigeria's graduates who can't even defend their degree. People like that can't get a job. This is the same Nigeria where you see a graduate of say, Unilag with a 2.2 claiming that he's better than his counterpart from another university with a first class.
We need a better standard of education to produce graduates who can appropriately defend their degree, thereby maximizing the achievements in their jobs as well as creating employment for the others. Graduates who think, not graduates who rant.

princfred:
Then run something else less costly to uplift the poor who contribute. How does it makes sense to collect thrir money to build something they font benefit from? If whites do that to you, you will be making noise now your fellow blacks do that but are saints.

Something less costly. I presented that opinion to someone and he was talking rubbish.
So, you'd prefer a sub-standard university that's no different from the public universities you're trying to run away from?
I think the better option is the scholarships that are being awarded. That way, you get to go to a premium university, coerced to maintain your grades and behavior so you don't lose the scholarship.

princfred:
Then you ate shying from the inconvenient part. So its selective amnesia now. Private university with peoples contributions is your business but not private jet? Then why is what Buhari does your business.

There no relation between the tuition fees of a university and a jet.
Private universities cannot be free. That's what I have to say.
And what Buhari does is not my business. Did you see me comment about Buhari anywhere apart from here?

kennypoka2:
If you are open-minded, based on those posts I quoted and those I countered, you'll know my point. I don't need to write an epistle before I make my points CLEAR. It's only unintelligent folks like you that find it hard to see my point.

N. B: I still stand on my other point that you are not wise!!

Ok.

princfred:
Upgrade is in many forms. If a church set up a security or logistic outfit , rehaps for cultists and prostitutes, to help tackle cultism in universities thats something. If they are interested improving existing universities they will achieve it.

Churches in the two universities I've been to hold reforms for former cultists and juvenile delinquents in general. Also preaching to them the ills of their doings is also a method of reform. That's good enough for me.
And security is not something the church should be involved in. If the church does that and there's a backlash by a particular cultist group against the church by killing members, what will you say then?
Besides, the government can cover it properly. For example, the SARS agency in Uniport literally turned that school around. That school was a den of cultism. It's only on social media that I hear of a different type of SARS.

gregyboy:
Why do churches build uni at first place if not to secure thier wealth or enhance it...did christ come for the rich alone because it seems the gospel is only for people who can afford the tuition... Why the poor seat at home hearing it...why own private jet when 90% of the citizen are hungry ...cant all churches co.e together and use thier wealth ti raise the economy i bet if the di so many traditionalist will sed ressons to convert

Why are you bringing me consistently into a conversation I didn't talk about. Jet is not my business. Ahh.

Look, some things just can't happen. You're a human. If you feel that's what needs to be done, then advocate for it and bring the churches together. Don't come here saying you want a private university to be free. It's just not possible. Is the money for maintainance falling from heaven?
That's my take.

phetto:
Catholic is running a vitamin A cassava farm in my home town. And it benefit the poor

And they have a filling station

That's reasonable.
Landmark University runs commercial agriculture, and where does the produce go to? The environs of Omu Aran. Who does it help? The people of Omu Aran.

CoolAmbience:
What is your point?

I just said that there isn't anything wrong with the Church creating wealth and jobs, simple.

More efforts in that regard is expected in the face of rising unemployment and restiveness among the youths.

What do you mean by 'exposed to the public', is it something that should be kept a secret? If it is done in the open, then the public is privy already.

Importantly, the ostentatious lifestyles of some of these clergymen go a long way in spurring these negative perceptions too.

Who do we blame for this?

I say exposed to the public in the sense that if the media doesn't report it, a vast majority of the populace won't know about it.
I don't care about the pastors lifestyle. They'll receive full repercussions for all their actions.
My point and business here is, you can't run a privately funded university cheap (or free) and that the universities are actually involved in minor aspects of industrialization. That's all.

kennypoka2:
You are a disgrace and you should be ashamed of yourself for supporting evil even when you don't have much knowledge on the matter being discussed. I pity people like you.. The world would be better if only you choose to follow the right path.. Please, choose to. Thank you

I choose to use my brain instead of ranting uninformed.
YOU should be ashamed of yourself. You came here pouring insults up and down, one would think you had something reasonable to say. All your replies, empty, and now you ended with further insults. Obviously, you had no point from the beginning.

loswhite:
ok let us go to secondary schools since the missionaries did not built university....
The secondary schools are they affordable?
Is it cheap to run a secondary school? In your lane reasoning u think running those missionaries secondary schools where cheap right ? U ppm are just so blind. The most annoying part is the comparison with US and other countries without considering the parity of purchasing power in each of the countries

We thank God for his mercies
Now, simply, simply, give me an example of any "missionary" secondary school with quality remniscent of those run by the churches that is free. Just like one or two examples will do.
Purchasing power eh? They brought missionaries to me as an example, and I said, okay, show me a "missionary" university that is free. Is that too much to ask?

princfred:
Which space? I said upgrade the universities not give them the money to embezzle. The jet money is also between them snd those who contributed for it.

Abeg, jet no concern me here, ehn. Now, you mean it is viable to tell a Christian congregation to donate money towards upgrade of schools where cultism, prostitution and corruption abound. Along with the fact that there is no way the church can have authority over the occurrences on campus. Is that really logical

princfred:
Which space? I said upgrade the universities not give them the money to embezzle. The jet money is also between them snd those who contributed for it.

Abeg, jet no concern me here, ehn. Now, you mean it is viable to tell a Christian congregation to donate money towards upgrade of schools where cultism, prostitution and corruption abound. Is that really logical