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frubben:
please why do dey run to build uni . see they are not gaining anytin like you say. how about the secondary and primary school that are very high. you want to tell me the cost of maintaining secondary and primary is high too.



please answer o

My God. I never said anything about all these na. Look for the correct person you wanted to quote. Ahn ahn.

Livefreeordieha:
No they didn't but they owned nursery to secondary schools..With high standards completely free with choices day and housing facilities..Perhaps if they stayed long or the government didn't eventually interfered they would have its a probable submission or an opinion.

Now tell me which of ur pastors have an extra moral lectures for free?? Let alone a school..Please excuse me I'm tired of sheeples jare..

When you see any of your missionaries with a free university, come and tell me. Till then, peace!

kennypoka2:
I'll be nice this once.. Please post them here.

If you like don't be nice, I won't post them here. Go back and look at them. I have other people to answer. Next time counter objectively. Look at all your replies. All of them empty.

iPopAlomo:
From another angle...

The question is who grabbed who first?
If you're in doubt, go watch the match again, slowly.
Funny thing is, it's not the arm Ramos grabbed that got injured, the was the other arm that Salah fell on.

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gregyboy:
Something i dont get from peeps like you is comparing nigeria with other country even in terms of wrong doings ...so because almost part of the world churches own universities with high titution so ure now saying is normally to follow it...never forget two wrongs never make a right...nigeria is worse in every sector and within ourselves we promote corruption setback. like ure doing now...if the world are following that part so nigeria shld go along with it same way...hypocrite that ure ..i bet if they make you a pastor u would be the type that would pray for ebola patient afar instead finding cure...

Wow. You purposefully blinded yourself to the fact that they're always talking about missionaries and their free secondary schools. I'm simply asking, since those missionaries are the reason you think universities should be free, why couldn't they make their own universities free ehn or cheap?
I don't believe prayer solves problems. So there. Stop generalizing.

frubben:
guy seriously, they build uni to impact not for profit. seriously who are you.

Am suspecting you either adeboye's son or oyedepo. cos you point are all falacy

I think you misquoted. I didn't say anything about the reason they build universities.

kennypoka2:
I ask again, what are your questions??

Look at the previous posts.

princfred:
So if the churches use peoples money to upgrade the existing universities will they faint? Then those jet money can build orphanages, Rehabs, hospitals nationwide that will benefit those who contributed to it better.

My business is not with any jet money. That is between the pastor and his God. I haven't said anything about my own church that gives free food, clothes, and health care to the needy. Because that is not the scope of this matter.
So the church should basically be helping the FG right. The same FG that cannot account for much of the money allocated to universities. The church should give them more space for embezzlement

Livefreeordieha:
go and read history then come back to me...Because it appears ur parents /wards/kindred forgive me never went to school or never met them...

Because my own ancestors went to missionary schools and it was free...Even my older siblings some of them did...

It's a bit personal to me that u trying to defend something u are completely ignorant of...U even try to petrify me by saying some missionary schools charge 7m per student...Nice move...But I'm not impressed because from all indications u are either completely mischievous or ignorant or maybe both..

I know alot of people here honestly would have heard of free education during the missionary era.

Learn to be just and fair..Be spiritual not religious...Being religious is a recipe for deceit and extremism..

So after all these lines, it appears you didn't barely read my initial statement. You came here with intent to defend yourself by all means.

I did not in any place say that the basic schools the missionaries built in Nigeria were not free.

I asked you, did any missionary build a university in Nogeria? You dodged it.

kennypoka2:
Now, you just confirmed my hypothesis... Please receive sense.. Please

The same to you fellow Nigerian that never has an answer to questions.

hotdealz:
This is an outright lie.
There is no shortage of universities in nigeria. Almost everybody wants to attend the likes of unilag, uniben, oau etc while most universities are begging for people to attend.

True, he should've said a shortage of desirable universities.

oke48:
So because of "controversy" created by a few people who simply hate the church. I never mentioned anyone hating the church. Like I mentioned, they should set their priorities straight. It is true they have scholarships schemes because I have heard a few but the question is "are these schemes transparent enough to favour those who truly deserve it?". May God help us.

Those who truly deserve it are those, who are, not only from the church, but smart enough to pass the exams as well as imbibe the rules of the university they are going to. Don't you think so?
What would be the point of receiving a scholarship if all you'll do is be a nuisance to other students and get expelled in less than a year?
The scheme is transparent enough, if your church owns a university you want to go to, you read your books, pass the exam well, and you're in.

kennypoka2:
Shuoo... You don't think well bro.. That's just the honest truth.

Abeg, if you know sey you no get answer, no dey quote me.

kennypoka2:
Can they come together to build universities that are affordable to the poor? Think before you answer, I repeat think before you answer!

So, would you prefer a sub-standar but cheap, free-for-all university? Tell me.
University with no light, unqualified personnel, dirty environment and no equipment, just so that the poor can say "my pikin dey school".
Well, there's no need for the church to do that na. The FG already has those on ground
But if that's what will make you happy, I can help you send a report Oyedepo saying, "this is what the people want".

slydog:
Falz is simply following the foot step of his talkative father lambasting the schools owned by churches.

OK, Madonna, Covenant, Redeemers and others are schools for the poor, no school fees. All comers affairs, when the standards begin to fall, because it surely will without funding, Falz and his father will still be the one to say churches have no business running schools because they cannot maintain one, they will even say the govt should take it offer.

How do u attract quality lecturers , will they all come to do charity and teach for free??
A Professor in a Federal University is paid between 500-700k depending on the department, and each department has a set number of lecturers that must be in its employ depending on the size of the sch before accreditation by NUC, if you think it is easy, you will wonder why even govt funded universities fail to get accreditation.

All man to his tent, go sch where your pocket reach.

I don't even know what to say. It will shock you how people will still find fault in what you just typed.

Sha. ThisIsNigeria.

kennypoka2:
You can't ask a question and still answer it yourself.. So you are not ready for my answer then. Damn you Satan.. Be gone!!

So is he wrong? If you had an answer, you wouldn't care about that now would you?

kennypoka2:
Yes. It is... Thank you

You're welcome. Peace.

Westbestside:
Bros, honestly speaking. You are pointless.

So this is your answer to the question. I ask which industries? You have nothing to say.
Imagine.

kennypoka2:
You are not wise. That's all I have to say.

Your opinion though. No wahala.

CoolAmbience:
I see nothing wrong with them investing in industries, like FMCGs, agriculture and minning. I mean of what use is enhancing quality education in an environment of rapidly diminishing job opportunities?

While I commend your articulate and sensible defence of the Church in some areas, I still think that there are certain 'indefencibles' which even you should acknowledge, just as this one.


If you have mandate to build schools for improved learning you should also have mandate to support in creating good jobs for some of these quality human products that you have generated.

That is simply rational.

So, now that Landmark University is engaging in commercial agriculture, and offering training for their students in agro-based endeavors, what do you now think of the church?
It's not everything done in their universities that they'll expose to the public. I know they can do better, but it's not as if they're doing nothing.

oke48:
[s]So tell me, what miracle do you want the churches to perform to make the universities "free"?[/s]. The only miracle is for them to set their priorities straight. I am not against the churches building universities but looking at the controversies surrounding this, they should stop building the so-called universities since it can't be free. Thank God we have government universities which are quite affordable; they should try to support its members through scholarships schemes/programs. I think this would save them the stress of all these arguements.

So because of "controversy" created by a few people who simply hate the church, then they should stop building universities offering quality education.
Wait, scratch that, how come most of you arguing here are still talking about scholarship schemes. Virtually all those universities have scholarship schemes for their church members.

blaise26abj:
Focus on the message, why is it that poor members who want to go to school can't afford to go to the university? Is there a system in place to make it available for them? A balanced kind of system where the rich pay well to enable poorer families to attend the schools? No doubt it is expensive to run a university, but when you build one with the effort of all your members , rich and poor, it is sane to also set up systems that will make it affordable for all the members

Wow. So you mean to tell me you've not heard of the scholarship foundations most of those universities run for not-so-privileged members of their churches?
You must have heard of it.

kennypoka2:
Bulls-hit!!! Satan be gone

But is he wrong? No.

Livefreeordieha:
u are just delusional and a rare type of hybrid sheeple...


I will not ask u so much...Just one...Do u know that if the missionaries that came to Africa charged exorbitant fees most of us won't be here today perhaps still under colony but the free education afforded our ancestors to tap free,gain knowledge and asked for our independence...


Why can't ur churches atleast make it affordable if not free...

If u like quote Me with another sheeple influenced bullshittttt...Middle finger is wat awaits u...


Answer the simple questions and stop being a religious nuisance.

Leave Higher.Ed first. The thing is a bit personal to him.

Now, did the missionaries build universities when they came here? No
Is it cheap to run a university? No
Is there any cheap private university (by your standards) on the surface of the earth? No. Even the ones built by the so called "missionaries" charge up to 7million naira per student.
So tell me, what miracle do you want the churches to perform to make the universities "free"?
Do you expect lecturers to teach and not demand salary? Do you expect cleaners to clean and not demand salary? Do you expect the university to order infrastructure and not pay for it? Do you expect them to receive their 24/7 electricity for free?

Please tell me, what plan do you have that can make a full fledged university free? Tell us this your brilliant idea that no one on earth has ever thought of before.

HigherEd:
We are simply asking many of these entitled folks to tell us where you got your ideas of an utopia where church uni run without charging fees. Yale, Princeton, Harvard came into the argument because they were founded by churches of their clergies. But if you think that is too hard to process then tell us how Yonsei, regeant, pepperdine, Oral Roberts uni, biola uni, Loyola Marymount uni, oakwood uni, villanova uni, leeward, Georgetown uni, St Andrews uni all founded and in many cases still run by churches charge millions of naira that dwarf the tuition of Nigerian church unis.
Why are people in those countries not screaming like many of the idiots in Nigeria. Maybe it's because they understand a thing or two about what it cost to run a university.

Why are their poor not screaming blue murder against the church for allowing their unis charge them thousands of dollars in fees which results in ppl taking back breaking loans to pay. Their poor also pay tithe and offerings, not to talk of the huge financial aid their govt still gives to private universities. Catholic uni of Notre dame collected millions of USD from US every year yet the school fees is 45,000USD.

The best private uni in Africa is American Univ of Cairo which charges 14,000USD while Covenant is the second and charges about 3,000USD. Let that sink in.

DrayZee CodeTemplar made important point on the so called call for industries. And let me reiterate that many universities funded by churches even have more employees than some industries. But be rest assured that when churches go into industries you would hear demonic things like "how can church build an auto industry when members can't afford the cars they make." That's the insanity of the Nigerian populace they deliberately forget the churches to employ ppl through universities and draw out the fact that poor people can't attend. Covenant for instance has over 2000 families feeding from it. But no let's forget that and focus on the 850,000 fees that the poor cannot pay.

You are wise. That's all I have to say.

These people asking the church for industries, please just name some of the "industries" that would be appropriate to be built by a church.
Should the church begin to manufacture steel? Or assemble cars? Or sell cement?
Really, what do you people want? Or is it that you people just feel like typing?

izzou:
[b]It may please you to know that I am a product of a private university(church owned) in this country

Saying that no church built it's university for profit making is a lie. It's either you are ignorant, or you just want to lie. Ask those who have been there. I'll rest my case on this point. Make we no too talk am

Now, you say the church doesn't have the mandate to build industries. Fine. I agree. So how did they get the mandate to build schools?
Note that I'm not against churches building universities . I'm just against the fact that every church now builds it's own universities. Our purpose of getting education is to have a positive impact in the society, while we make a living. There is no platform for us to make a living. There are no jobs, and no structures on ground to create one. Instead of using this loophole to impact godly principles into people, we still create more problems

Look at Nigeria. Every state has its own university, polytechnic and other tertiary institutions. Coupled with the ones of the Federal government and you still see sense in adding more.

Talking about godly principles, what class of Nigerians are they targeting? The rich or the poor? Because a middle class Nigerian will not find paying 500k a semester easy, not to talk of the poor.

Be it known to thee that there are other super mega churches outside Nigeria and Africa. If the aim was to impact godly principles, they should have littered their countries with universities too.

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Are you saying Africa is the only place where you see churches running universities?
Try making a search for once, and while at it, check the school fees they charge.
MODIFIED:
That said, I don't really have a problem with his swipe at church funded universities. He, like many other Nigerians simply doesn't know what it costs to run a university.

Cashrange660:
Did Dangote have a first class degree? Yet he signs the pay cheque of a woman with high academic profile (Blair's wife). Point out one first class graduate that has made a huge impact to the society and is being celebrated (aside academic works) here in Nigeria. They think certificate is everything...
P.S: This does not mean graduating with a 3rd class is in anyway good.

Dangote's father was rich. His uncle was rich. Give an example of a 3rd class graduate who made himself reasonable by his own efforts.

blakid:
For the very first time in my life i felt like crying over a football match. Sergio Ramos should be banned from football.

Who grabbed who first.

otipoju:
He is still a wicked person...abi wicked person no dey get money ni.

Fact is Ronaldo will not be there forever...and even while he is here, he is not the most spectacular player we have have seen in football.

Everyone likes Salah because he is humble, Ronaldo hates Messi, hates his team mate Bale and any one he thinks is out shining him.

What sort of human being is that ?

AND RONALDO TOLD YOU ALL THESE THINGS ON WHATSAPP ABI?
The way some people reason can give Satan a headache.

jessca048:
why do you always like dropping a discussion which is in no way related to the matter at hand

He feels he has attained divine wisdom.

paparazzi1987:
He should have come up with different concept rather than copying someone else creativity

We really lack originality in 9ja

It's a cover(parody). That's how it's meant to be.

SolutionMee:


The guy above me took my glory but I won't say anything. The God of Jacob that I serve will definitely judge.

I'm happy that I make STC (second to comment) though

By the way,

We don't need high-tech like this in Nigeria. When we use solar technology to draw and consume all Suns energy, what energy will be left in the future

I hate it when a particular generation ain't considerate. If that's how the past generations did, what energy will be left for us today

Just tell me that you're not serious. Please tell me you're joking ooo