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cybersleek:
D-reloaded, how do you know the person does not know what is ttooed on their bods? Maybe they know and you don't and you assume they don't know too!

My friend I didnt say that ANYONE who gets it doesnt know what it means. Keep in mind i went to college in this country, I cant tell you how many times you see people coming from spring break with a tat in a foreign language or some sorta symbol, ask them about it and you hear "um I think it means love or something in Korean or Japanese", it's like ok,

David, the motive is tell the story of Jesus with your body

You cant tell motive just by looking at a person cos some people just get it cos it looks nice. Like those people who get Chinese chracters painted on without even knowing what it means

At first glance, I just say such person is fooling him/herself.

I can never give anyone my credit card not even my siblings. I'd rather give them cash

Kai, no be me. Why did you give it to the lunatic in the first place?

It'd be cool if you actually read the rest of the thread

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=108212.msg1887632#msg1887632 date=1201275943]On the other hand, I would honestly have to agree with other Muslims who argue that the Bible is implicitly clear that tattooing is not encouraged (or should I say, "forbidden" - such as you have outlined in the verses you quoted:

I don't know how Christians would see such verses and still want to argue in favour of tattooing.[/quote]Lol like many others have mentioned, they believe that it's part of the Old Testament and MOST of the words of the Old Testament shouldnt be imposed on Christians and they'd rather a specific passage mentioning it in the New Testament instead

JeSoul:
no you are not crazy
I will say though that you're onto something when you say it's in the old covenant and we're not bound to it else we'd have to do every other single old school commandment as well.
However I wouldn't compare it to smoking, smoking is definately bad for you, but getting a tatoo isn't. And there's actually christian tatoo organizations out there who are using their gifts and tatoo conventions as a means of reaching other tatoo enthusiasts. . .now can I say that they're wrong? certainly not. They're redeeming the thing and returning it as a service to God.

See I dont agree with that cos "immodest dressing" cant kill you either but it's frowned upon in Christianity.

Also I dont believe that because you get people to put tatts of Christ or whatever on themselves means they will suddenly become Christians. Some of these jesus fish tat having people are actually atheists. Im assume as a form of sarcasm. It's still in a way descreting a body that is supposedly supposed to be temple of the Holy Spirit, abi? Can they seriously say they are glorifying God with that action?

Are you sure about that? apparently it's for our benefit so it could look nice, cute and shiny. *rolls eyes*

Is the Qu'ran against tattoos, pilgrim?

I mean the bible specifically says

“Do not cut your bodies for the dead or put tattoo marks on yourselves. I am the LORD” (Leviticus 19:28)

yet you see people going around with their Jesus fish, Commandment scroll or whatever "Christian" tattoo and i just dont get who they are fooling

I guess one could say they do it cos that "commandment" was in the Old Testament and msot Christian follow the New Testament. But even in the new testament, the bible doesnt exactly say you shouldnt smoke but I mean it's quite obviously that it's not favorably looked on based on

Your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, 1 Corinthians 6:19.

Honor God with your body." 1 Corinthians 6:20.

So I would think the same goes for tattoos being printed all over the "Christian" body as well.

or am I crazy?

I dont get it.

No wonder a post ago, I felt the urge to kick you.

How come he now has ambitions between Jan 17 and Jan 23rd?

Obviously you have something to hide

anyway they should make a phone that teleports people

Hey pilgrim

Didnt mean to turn your thread into a boy vs girl debate.

Just making a point that most VR families think that making sex such a hush hush topic will make their kids not wanna be part of it. Not true. Most of the time it's a complete opposite. Im not saying these people should be giving their kids condoms and sending them on their way but to have them throughly educated on the subject matter, its effects on their lives/relationships, the responsiblities and of course the consequences.

It's better kids hear it from their families than get the wrong infromation outside, cos that's usually how they end up on the wrong path. Only some of us are lucky.

Since Shapy's marriage thread was going off topic, I figured I'd continue my arguement in regards to this matter here.

I asked RichyBlack for the advantages of FC and here's what was presented

The arguments used to justify FGC vary; they range from health-related to social benefits:[34]

* maintenance of cleanliness
* maintenance of good health
* preservation of virginity
* enhancement of fertility
* prevention of promiscuity
* increase of matrimonial opportunities
* pursuance of aesthetics
* improvement of male sexual performance and pleasure
* promotion of social and political cohesion

__________________________________________________________________

[/quote]maintainance of cleanliness[quote]

Hogwash.

Good health

Lol good joke there. Never heard of FC helping with the immune system.

Preservation of Virginity

Biggest myth ever. Just because these women cant enjoy sex doesnt mean they wont have it. Do you people think most prostitutues actually ENJOY their "job"? They do it for what they can GAIN from it. If a circumsized woman thinks having sex will help her gain something from the other, she will still have it so thinking that hacking up a woman's body will stop her from sleeping around is sheer idiocy.

Enchancement of Fertility

Lmao. Im sure the Hispanics and the Irish owe FC for their 10-12 children families. I think you should give that credit to the Catholic Church.

prevention of promiscuity

Same explanation as "perserving virginity", if she will gain something from having sex, she will still have it, no matter how much you try to deprive her from enjoying it.

increasing matromonial opportunities

What the hell does this even mean?

pursuance of aesthetics

Yes because you know Vaginas are known as being on the front covers of Time/People magazine. *rolls eyes*

Improvement of male sexual performance and pleasure

I think you are confusing female circumsion with male circumcison here.

Either way here's a quote from the first theard by a man with a circumcised wife

My wife is a beautiful African woman with a mutilated clit, And with a mutilated sexuality thanks to people like JoshJosh, Who think that sex is just a men pleasure and as fast and furious as better,

He doesnt sound that happy to me and not once have I even heard this as an "advantage" unless of course this so called "improvement of male sexual performance" is due to teh fact that guy can fumble all he wants and the woman cant complain anyway since she's not even enjoying it in the first place.

promotion of social and political cohesion

Imcomprehensible hogwash. Anyone care to explain this to me.


Can anyone tell me how any SANE person can sincerely see FC as being a good thing for WOMEN?

who is this annoyance called naked wire sef?

d-reloaded i can see you are a very strong willed woman-now that's good.

I wasnt raised to be any other way. 

Anyway  since I do respect shapey and her family lol I will take the whole hoopla into another thread 

Btw since Iman's question DID have to do with the topic at hand, we are all still waiting for an answer.

Im glad you understand Yoruba. I dont speak/write it hoping a person doesnt understand since Im not a coward. It's how I express my frustration with psychopaths

Just reading the "categories" listed just makes me wanna throw up. Dont know how anyone can research any of that and still say "oh it's not that bad". Sheer lunancy obviously

and Im quite aware that this is done by other women in most cases, what the hell is your point? It's a viscious cycle obviously, mothers do it cos mothers before them did it and so on, that doesnt change the fact that it's a demented and barbaric act done for the benefit of men

Notice how you havent given me any advantage of this practice for the women themselves. Im still waiting. Im also waiting for a response to Iman's question

calm down with the obnoxious threads.

took you that long?

I think they're just lactose intolerant

Last I checked priest perferred boys

I choice the option of marrying one who agrees with me. 

or plan B: convent

yahooze is oevrrated and not a good song

I'd rather listen to Efon(Mosquito) on repeat.

I think as a late b-day present, Im gonna buy debo a woman

He's beginning to scare me

how does one compare an everlasting wish to just 24 hrs of not doing something.

oniranu

Take it or leave it

I will leave it

It's only fair.

I suppose you're right but one could say if she didnt wnat people to question such a situation she wouldnt volunteer that much info you know?

But I get what you mean

The wish will also only last 24 hrs so go ahead and say it

[quote author=I-man link=topic=104367.msg1885535#msg1885535 date=1201224860]My question really is,what is the point of that rule? Relating it to this thread,the husband has shown little wisdom in his attitude to his wife.On what grounds should his wife continue being "obedient" to such a man? Given all the emotional turmoil he has put her through.[/quote]You still suck 4Play but I too would like any answer to this question.

RichyBlacK:
I see your point. The West sometimes try to paint EVERY aspect of our culture and tradition as bad. I agree some of customs are plain old senseless, however, you find stupid norms and mores in every culture - Africa, West, East, etc. On female circumcision, some misinformed feminists have hijacked the good cause of equal rights for women, to further a known agenda. Not all female circumcision is bad, however, ultra-left elements in Western societies with glaring ignorance of societies beyond their shores believe all women outside Western societies are suffering. Pathetic!

We should continue to clamp down on aspects of our culture that are wicked, senseless and barbaric, but still have the wherewithal to uphold those that do no harm to anyone.

Ok, now I know you are mentally retarded

what is this incomprehensible garbage of "all female circumsion isnt bad"

Since when is female circumsion divided into sections? Are you insane?

Btw, I think it's so funny when ignorant village bunnies think throwing the word "feminist" like it's an insult. Please tell me the advantages of female circumsion for the WOMAN. Please let me in on your demented way of thinking.

These are the same pitiful Nigerians that make fun of Islam and it';s rules on women yet you want to cry and say that your rules are good. How is female circumsion any different than making a woman wear a hijab. Same purpose is it not? At least with the latter however, she can take the damn thing off and that will be it, instead of being physically scarred for the rest of her life

How typical that you have guys telling girls whether or not circumsion is "bad". How the hell would you know? Abi you be hermie? Asinwin.

I am quite aware of the law Richy and that a restraining order requires both parties else the dumb ass wouldnt know where NOT to go. I watch Law & Order too, jare. Make I hear word.

It was wishful thinking on my part.

[quote author=D__D link=topic=48097.msg1885462#msg1885462 date=1201220962]you're in danger here of over-generalising. It is true that many religious familes are in denial about the influence of sex . . . my family is a good example. But none of us has ended up mentally challenged just yet . . . or maybe i'm in denial
Fact - the parents may pretend to be in denial but the children are much wiser.
Fact - many religious families do open up eventually. At least my parents did when they felt we were old enough . . . the only problem was we were already a lot wiser.

Let's not decieve ourselves . . . its a man's world. (don't crucify me yet).
Men don't get pregnant, women do.
Men don't attach much emotional significance to sex, women do. It is perfectly possible to have sex with a woman and forget her within 2 mins . . . women tend to have a soul tie to whoever they have sex with.
No one expects to marry a male virgin . . . it is the dream of parents to give their daughters away as virgins.

It is all part of our culture that cannot be wished away simply by complaining. It is not true that parents don't expect their sons to be virgins, its just that in this day and age . . . how many parents are bold enough to ask their sons if they are having sex? My parents are strong christians . . . they wont dare ask. All they can do is hope and pray that their boys are keeping their zippers closed.
The bible does not discriminate when it comes to fornication . . . infact it is even stricter for men . . . he that looketh on a woman to lust after her IN HIS heart (not even touching) hath commited fornication with her already. Based on this law alone even 10yr old boys are guilty of fornication.

who can blame him? All the while i was a nice little virgin, my friends thought i was crazy.
On the flip side we made fun of the very same girls they were sleeping around with. It indeed is an unfair world.

we have plenty of self control its just that our society expects us to throw it away to prove that we are now "men". Imagine the face of your girlfriend when u tell her u're a virgin . . . its like you're not normal or smth.

don't bother understanding. When you have boys and girls as kids you will unconsciously do the same thing.

i don't even subscribe to the idea of telling kids about condoms and pills . . . it is simply a license to have sex. Tell them not to. period.[/quote]First I didnt generalize, I said most not all Secondly David, sharrap jo, you are not a virgin.

As for women get pregnant, quite a number of women who have sex and dont get pregnant. One of my good friends, she's Igbo and lol Catholic, she always gets mad when I make fun of the Catholic church, been having sex since freshman year in college yet to ever get pregnant, not even a scare, she just makes sure that she's protected. when she wants to settle down and have kids, I assume she will ditch the contraceptives. another irony considering the catholic church is against contraceptatives, but that's beside the point

Personally I dont like getting into my life on NL much. I like TOH to be ambigious on Nairaland but even though my parents werent fanatics, they were out there too which is weird cos my dad's agnostic 80% of the time and my mom's semi-religious, they should just thank their lucky stars that my siblings and I didnt "yawo" and we know enough despite the fact that they'd rather we be in denial. Knowing about all these things doesnt mean the kid will run out and take part in these things, they will just be knowledgable and i dont see any problem with that.
That's why you have some girls that believe the BIG lie of "oh if we do it just once, you wont get pregnant", if she was given the right info, would she believe such bull? Doubtful

as for women attach emotions, now that's a generalization. Yes we are alot more emotional than men (unfortunately), not all women attach emotions to sex. That USUALLY happens when the girl has immense feelings for the other, if not she can sleep with a guy and leave just like any other person. One night stands are not just a male thing.

as for male virgins, people make fun yea whatever but really it's not as crazy as some people make it seem. I myself cant stand man-whores. I dont subscribe to the school of thought that a girl can be called a slut but a guy cant. Both can be called sluts IMO and I have no problem expressing my distain for such people. What sane woman wants to be witha guy that has slept with half the country? seriously? That's disgusting. Doesnt make him a playboy, makes him a pig with no standards and grown mature women dont deal with pigs. Only teenagers are fascinated with such people.

It's ok that a woman should dream of giving her "gift" to her husband but she has to deal with his nasty second hand arse. How is that fair? Why cant she get a "precious" gift too? Lmao havent women suffered enough? Do we not deserve gifts as well? O ma ga o.