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nobilis: Okay. I love your objective stance.
The thing is, those duties you've mentioned in that post, pharmacists do them now. Other health professionals are also doing their jobs. They don't need to be "consultants" in order to do them.

Then another thing I feel u don't understand is that being a specialist is different from being an honorary consultant. Yes; for doctors you must be a specialist before being appointed an honorary consultant but they are not the same thing.

Just like NMA has said, the word "consultant" in a hospital setting describes a particular relationship. That between a patient and his doctor. That is why NMA said there will confusion in the sector when there are many "consultants" around.

Nobody is saying other health professionals shouldn't specialise in their various fields. I, for one, I know that there are many branches in pharmacy, nursing, medical laboratory science and physiotherapy. Nobody is saying they shouldn't become specialists in their specialties. That is one thing you should understand. They are just muddling everything up and turning issues upside down just to favour their goal.

Oh. I doubt you work in the hospital setting. What I stated was the ideal thing that conforms with international best practise. But right now what pharmacists do in hospitals is pretty much mechanical.. All they do is their traditional role of dispensing. Now PCN took several deans of pharmacy among others abroad to study how Pharm. D which is more clinically oriented and with which pharmacists would be able to do all I stated above works. NUC was given a report and it was to be adopted. Then the doctors as usual started kicking against it saying all we wanted to do was to be called doctors. The govt. saw through it for once and approved it should be run. Then the next thing was for consultant doctors to take it to NIC and the case is pending while status quo is being maintained.

nationwide24: You said locked up pharmacies in hospitals.Nurses usually lock up wards so that the impact of their strike can be felt but doctors have no where to lock. They only leave with their knowledge and the impact is immense. Truely doctors deserve applause for this singular uniqueness.

Look. Pharmacists are the custodian of drugs and by law no pharmacy should function without a pharmacist. So there won't even be any need to get anywhere locked up since it wouldn't be lawful for anywhere to function w/o the input of the pharmacist. Now pharmacy is so diverse that if pharmacists in hospitals are on strike you can always get your drugs in community outlets. A comprehensive strike action will dwarf any strike by any other union or association..

leo1234: Thank you very much for the information. But college of medicine is not a hospital. It is a training center for students. Example of a hospital is UNTH(university of Nigeria teaching hospital)

Training centre? Forgive my ignorance, Pharmacists funtion as consultants in universities?

leo1234: Was she a consultant pharmacologist in a hospital? I don't know why JOHESU people find it difficult to understand simple things. NMA is not against anybody been a consultant. But it is not ideal in a hospital setting.

Actually she was So tell me more about ideals..

heykims: Hope u avnt got any delusonal problem, did i quote any post relating to d pharmacists?
Chai na wa o, defending a profession in d absence of an identifiable inciting stimulus is an hallmark of inferior mentality complex..

Lol. I don't. Can't say the same for you though. Move along now..

Victomolola: I have never seen an intelligent man, which you claim to be, insulting another person while arguing!!! What do you think make everybody to choose mbbs like that? Most of pharmacy student I know failed to secure mbbs admission, before going to pharmacy school!!! Next time, don't insult someone that is much intelligent and perspicacious than you and joe hates you colleagues!!!

Lies, Conjectures. +it says a lot about the kind of person you are since this imaginary people are the ones that are all around you. You will nt survive in pharmacy school if u don't survive in medical school..

Victomolola: I have never seen an intelligent man, which you claim to be, insulting another person while arguing!!! What do you think make everybody to choose mbbs like that? Most of pharmacy student I know failed to secure mbbs admission, before going to pharmacy school!!! Next time, don't insult someone that is much intelligent and perspicacious than you and joe hates you colleagues!!!

Lies, Conjectures. +it says a lot about the kind of person you are since this imaginary people are the ones that are all around you. You will nt survive in pharmacy school if u don't survive in medical school..

nobilis: Good. Pharmacy is different than pharmacology. We all agree.

But I now wonder what makes u feel that clinical pharmacy will make u better equipped to take better care of d patient than the doctor can.
Is clinical pharmacy the same thing as Medicine and Surgery?

Its exhausting having to explain over and over again. Here's a comment on another thread I made trying to explain the why's..

drered: The idea is for all of you to work collectively in improving patient care and therapeutic outcome. Everyone will have the scope of their duties clearly stated to prevent encroaching. The pharmacist will advise you on drug therapy, measure drug serum concentrations, manage medication regimens in polypharmacy, give inputs to optimise use of medication, identify potential and adverse drug reactions, give suitable alternatives in contra indications. The pharmacist still ends up running this by you. Basically, you put heads together and at the end improved therapeutic outcome!. For those asking "why the need for consultant pharmacists?" Same reason you need specialists in different fields of medicine. Same reason there are nurse anaesthetist and nurse oncologists and a wide array of other specialist nurses or you think pharmacy is not diverse enough? People that say pharmacists can't be consultant and in essence mean pharmacists can't specialize are ignorant of how diverse pharmacy is.

heykims: They re only trained in carrying out plans documented by doctors, it is amazing they re now challenging d docotrs from whom plans they acquire their clinical knowledge..

Lol. Pharmacists go to school to learn how to follow your orders? Loooool.. So what orders do you give academic pharmacists, industrial pharmacists, compounding pharmacists, drug information pharmacists, infectious disease pharmacists, nuclear pharmacists, regulatory pharmacists and public health service pharmacists?

decode55: & you're really pained.

Such hate won't get you anywhere dude. If you had channeled this energy you're using to hate on doctors into reading your books & passing jamb, who knows?

Maybe you'd have gotten into med school



But I doubt sha

Your case is obviously congenital

Ok sis. Move along..

nobilis: You also forgot to add that Dr Paul Orhii is also a consultant pharmacologist.

Pharmacology is not what is in contention here... Pharmacy is. The constitution states that a person with a broad knowledge of food and drugs should be appointed as the DG of NAFDAC. Naturally who is?. Pharmacology deals with drug action, interaction, indication and therapy. That's extensive enough? What about quality assurance and quality control a pharmacist is well versed in? Abi isn't that the whole idea behind the agency?

decode55: thanks for the compliment

But you still haven't answered my question

You're really slow doc..

decode55: why the hate? Your jamb score wasn't high enough?

Lmao. Slowpoke. Ya'll einsteins haven't cooked something else apart from low jamb score?

nobilis: The DG of NAFDAC, Dr Paul Orhii is a pharmacologist. The former DG of NAFDAC, Late Prof Dora Akunyili was also a pharmacologist and a toxicologist.

So what exactly is your headache?

. You forgot to add that she was a PHARMACIST and consultant pharmacologist?

CircleOfWilis: he is an honorary johesu member

You guys are so quick to cry foul when people disagree with your insane ideals. Get off your high horse! You are not god after all..

Pharmacists didn't go on strike when politics came into play and Dr paul orhii was appointed as DG of NAFDAC. Doctors didn't say nothing about the anomaly either. Now pharmacists, nurses, lab scientists are saying they also want an opportunity to be able to make an impact, reach the peak of their career and also get a shot at the headship of hospitals and doctors have thrown all the caution to the wind and allowed people die over silly reasons... When Dora Akunyili of blessed memory was the DG of NAFDAC this never came up, we measured a large amount of progress but now? I'll let you fill in the dots..

Hmmm

armadeo: NO!!! i cant. The fact that you cant differentiate public(govt) from private is what surprises me. psn shut down private LAW ABIDING pharmacies. you don't even know where your power reach sef.

PSN can't shut down anything einstein. Its a society, not a regulatory body or trade union..

armadeo: Lil will the private pharmacies close down too? Patients already patronize pharmacies outside the hospital so if you try am.....


































Nobody will notice.

You can't read abi?

Lmao...

thegeneral84: Though I don't want to sound callous but the raw truth is " Pharmacists (or any other Allied Medical Profession) going on strike alone would have little or no impact", the main reason for their coming together to form JOHESU in the hope that their impact would be felt then. Your reason for staying together is the "collective hatred" for Doctors. There is no way a common hatred can successfully keep two or more persons together. You can't decide to marry a girl only because you both hate say "saloon cars". Sadly, That is what JOHESU is.

I'd rather blame PCN than blame you.. If things were the way it should be. Any strike effected by pharmacists would be comprehensive.. Lock down in hospital pharmacies likewise community and industry. Then we'd see how much impact would be felt.. Lol. Common hatred? This is just a comeback from repression that has gone on for so many years. The tides have changed..

drkay: I can bet my balls, the REAL author of this write-up is not a medical doctor.

cuz he isn't talking like an egocentric, all knowing prick? I think so too..

jpphilips: If they are not physicians, why are they aspiring to eat the physicians pie?
If they are not physicians, why will they want the physicians title?
If they can only dispense drugs, by all means stick to your B.pharm and D.pharm respectively and trust me, NMA wont complain.
OR
Do you want Nigerian tax payers to pay you a consultant's fee just for dispensing drugs? haba! what else is theft?

You're not as smart as you like to think..

Oduduwaboy: Who are the people that run medicalworld.com? i think they are nurses who are out only to denigrate Nigerian doctors. Shame on them.
Anyway back to the facts of this case you. Twin delivery is a high risk delivery that should be managed in tertiary institution with full complement of staff and continuous electronic fetal heart monitoring ...
The NHS trust here does not sound like one thus exposing the doctor who chooses to work here to overworking , errors & litigation . Doctors beware !!!

Keep giving excuses. He was incompetent.. Simple.

Oduduwaboy: Is this why you think a Pharmacist should head a HOSPITAL ? In all the countries you visited, what were the practices concerning headship of hospitals?

In case you have forgotten , a hospital is for the practice of Medicine ! There may be many medically related courses but they are still not medicine .

Just as there have been bad doctor-administrator there has also been EXCELLENT doctor-administrators . Please do not let us subvert or obscure the issues here .

Don't be ignorant sir. Hospitals abroad are headed by people even out of the medical line. It is purely an administrative position.. It is your competency that matters even though studying medicine might give you an edge.

armadeo: as i said one does not mean all. One ' Nigerian DR' is incompetent OK, one american DR is incompetent OK, ( a Dr was held for the death of Micheal Jackson) i guess he was Nigerian too.

what exactly is the point of this thread? the title is misleading.



A Nigerian Dr bashing thread. Enjoy yourself.

smh. Be objective for once and stop giving excuses for the "profession". This things happen. Its cliché already that anyone that says anything against medical doctors wanted to study medicine but wasn't "smart enough". Now, reporting incompetence is doctor bashing.. Smh

Awesome piece..

This will turn to an NMA vs. JOHESU thing. Didn't watch the interview so I'll reserve my comments..

armadeo: denial and anger in a single step, you are getting there.

Ok sis..

armadeo: no it doesn't, yes i have seen pharmacist correct Drs no biggie particularly on dosage of drugs.

what do you mean by better route of administration its oral iv topical, the severity/type of the illness depends on the route of administration. Does a pharmacist need further training for that?

Alternative therapy you can all do that in your drug presentation, again any need for further studies, EVEN IF,
Mr pharmacist if you want to make changes as you claim go into research and get drugs cheaper, more effective with lower side effects for the benefit of the patient.

no one stops you from a Msc or Phd and be called Dr pharm, In an academic setting Yes, in a private setting Yes, in the hospital WE SAY YOU ARE NOT A CONSULTANT. PERIOD!!!!

Period? Who made you author and finisher? Kindly swerve..

matify: JOHESU??

. NIGERIAN

matify: Bigotry loquaciously displayed with pernicious and malicious intent to sway the uninformed into a frenzy of mental torture.

You have twisted facts to suit you depravity and your penchant to denigrate the nobility of the physician using flawed resource is unconvincing.

The purulent vile spewed in the write-up only typifies your ignominy for the medical doctor for whom you have displayed an innate rancour for.

We leave you to your doomed fate!!

. Ohh. Shutup!!