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erico2k2:
Frm this answer I think we both know where we stand have not told us what field they are consultant in.

The fields are really not important and u know that. But what the heck, paediatrics, O&G, Surgery (cardiothoracic, Visceral, Vascular, neuro), internal medicine, path......
I can keep going....

erico2k2:
And when you say many of your friends are Consultant, may I ask Consultant what? like I know a guy here Dr Oladikpo, he is a Consultant Psychiatrist. I also know a lady Helen McMahon, A Nurse Consultant, so what kind of Consultant are your friends?

wait did u say u know Dr Oladikpo? Is he the Oladikpo that now works in Ekiti state?

erico2k2:
And when you say many of your friends are Consultant, may I ask Consultant what? like I know a guy here Dr Oladikpo, he is a Consultant Psychiatrist. I also know a lady Helen McMahon, A Nurse Consultant, so what kind of Consultant are your friends?

They are all doctors and have finished their specialties and the hospitals they work in offered them consultancies in their various fields of work. So 2 answer ur questions consultants in various fields of medicine. Hope u are satisfied.

erico2k2:
Ok the reason I was asking is if there is no position for a Consultant you cant be one, in the case of NHS England all Consultant are Employed by Govt in the form of NHS England.

Thats how it is in medicine everywhere

erico2k2:
Bro, I'm goinna say something, I don't mean it ina malicious way, how many Consultants do you know? and howmany do you know who work in private hospitals? There is a reason why I'm asking you, don't forget I have worked in one of Europe biggest hospital as well, for 5 years I'm used to clinical terms.

Many. Most of my colleagues are consultants. I am on the way to be one myself and don't mean in naija

Samgreguc:
If u dont care, why quote me then?

Cos u quoted me

erico2k2:
you know the Issue is about status hence the unnecessary arguments, they forgot its a tittle of position rather than a kind of qualification.

thank u sir

Samgreguc:
why should he 4get his def.? Is it wrong?

He is correct but it doesn't help us here

Samgreguc:
and pls, what makes you feel I dnt knw what you jst posted?

Don't really care if u did or didn't. Just let it rest.

erico2k2:
Did you not read the Bit about Medicine? Read my friend and comprehend, the definition of Consultants is same for every field, I even posted how it applies to Medicine and pharmacy, check again.

Have checked again. My answer remains the same to the one I posted earlier. 4get ur ambiguous definition cos it won't help here. I don't mean any disrespect so don't agitate urself. U need to know the idea behind the ideal of these people. See we don't care if all health sector achieve consultancy. What we care about is that we don't have to have our orders during patient management rescinded.

erico2k2:
Did you not read the Bit about Medicine? Read my friend and comprehend, the definition of Consultants is same for every field, I even posted how it applies to Medicine and pharmacy, check again.

Ok checking.....

erico2k2:
for anybody who is still thinking Consultants is limited to just Doctors check these out
Consultant (disambiguation)


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Look up consultant in Wiktionary, the free dictionary.

A consultant is a professional who provides advice in a particular area of expertise.

Consultant may also refer to:




Contents
[hide] 1 Types of consultants
2 Entertainment and fiction
3 Other uses
4 See also

Types of consultants[edit]
Public consultation, an often legally required process by which the public or affected parties may comment on major projects
Consultant (medicine), a medical specialist in the United Kingdom, Ireland, and Commonwealth of Nations, similar to an Attending physician in the United States
Consultant pharmacist
Creative consultant
Educational consultant
Elevator consultant
Employment consultant
Foreclosure consultant
Lactation consultant
Legal nurse consultant
Loss control consultant
Magic consultant
Management consultant
Media consultant
Native-speaker consultant, another term for Informant (linguistics)
Process consultant
Statistical consultant
Theatre consultant

Source :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consultant_(disambiguation)

4get ur ambiguous definition. We are talking about medicine and the health sector and who better can tell u what it means than one who is involved in every day dealings in that area.

erico2k2:
Ok Im back
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consultant_(medicine)
From the above link you will realize the term Consultant is a position within a HOSPITAL, its not a Degree.
Another for Pharmacists.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consultant_pharmacist

I believe I have explained this in details in my last two comments.

erico2k2:
There is a reason for my question. The position of consultants has no Educational requirement as such, it boils down to the highest level of your discipline and speciality, I will give you a link in a bit to see what it means to be a consultant in medical terms and non medical terms, gimmie a minute.

That's where u are wrong to say the position of consultant has no education requirements. It has everything education in it cos the person that becomes a consultant in medical practice must be a specialist in his/her field, may have been well published and must have experience in the particular field of his consultancy.

Samgreguc:
say nt what u knw nt.
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Late Proff. Dora was once a Consultant b4 d Physicians rebelled against it.

What u don't understand is no one studies to be a consultant. Doctors don't study for consultancy but for specialist title. The consultancy position is conferred or the candidate who has the required degree title (as in has completed specialist training) and the necessary experience. So those people are just doing what they don't know.

erico2k2:
OK now before this ruling today, would they be called Consultant in Nigeria?I need your answer

I can't really tell u yes or no. It depends on the requirements placed down by their board or governing bodies. But u know the fire brigade approach of the Nigerian system and people. They can just give all of em consultants without even understanding what that means or the limitations of their profession.

Clinton207:
Please are human physiologist members of this health team(workers)?

We will have to wait and see

aobodoefuna:
Proudly nursing. nurses rule. Haters take a bow.

Any hating u get is only in ur head

MrsAwesome:
Cry me a river. Presently in Nigeria, there is nothing like chief matron again...wonder whether a male nurse will be called a matron too. Chief nursing officer is the designation and rank which is equivalent to chief medical officer, chief medical laboratory scientists and the rest but not equivalent to a consultant nurse.
With a basic degree all these professionals can reach this level but with additional qualifications from the regulating body the officer can be elevated to a consultant level.

A proud nurse representing..

True but I enjoy calling them chief matrons. More fun 4 me to their discomfort.

Fashola must have said "I am a handsome man ooh. Hehehehe!!!! This my cap is positioned well on my head ni. Abi ooh, let me take Foto to remember it. By the way what is this old man saying sef?"

FRCS:
Rubbish !
Absolute rubbish !!
As far as I'm concern this is "end stage Nig health sector decay"

Completely agree

contactmorak:
Please don't laugh at me, it's not like I can't afford it but I've just not been inside a plane before. I usually travel to other states in Nigeria by road. So this person has texted me tictet Ref Number for Arik Air to Abuja tomorrow, but I don't know what next to do. The time texted to me is 7:30am.
Pls if you have travelled by air, domestic flight before pls advise me. Didn't want to ask the person, so he doesn't feel embarrased. Pls this is urgent! When I get to the airport in the morning what shud I do? God bless.

Make sure u ogle all the ladies u see wearing short skirt.

saxywale:
No. I believe a consultant nurse to be different from a matron. Eriko's definition of consultant nurse fits what they call nurse practitioner in Canada. You can become a nurse practitioner by taking a msc or PhD and specialize in a particular aspect of patient care. I don't think going for further studies makes one a matron in naija.

I was attributing the chief matron status to matrons who have Bsc nursing, long years nursing experience with a masters or phd in nursing.

erico2k2:
This is where you get it wrong, why do you think we call them consultant Nurse in the UK? what's the difference?

A consultant nurse is a nurse who after the completion of her nursing training has also completed masters and post doctoral studies and then has been widely published, I think up to 2-4 years research experience. This nurse is then accepted to be a consultant nurse if the hospital she is working in together with their nursing board decides she has enof experience to get that title. That is why they call them consultant nurses in the UK and other countries that use those. Believe me I know cos I work with many of them. I have even held some upgrade lectures for their nursing consultants a few times in the past.

Udoks:
I doubt if many posters here even know what it takes to be a consultant. it's not automatic for doctors. we go through residency training for years to become consultants. If these people want to be called consultants, then there should first be fields to specialize in, cos a consultant is a specialist in a particular field of medicine; then a residency program for them would also have to be started. And believe me, this is Nigeria, before these people even come up with the actualization of their residency fantasies, most of them would have gotten to the age of retirement and those coming behind them are even more clueless.
Now the only time I will know that GEJ and his men are high on products of bowel movement and intoxicated with effluents of micturition is when these Johesu ppl wouldn't have to go through residency programs to become consultants.

Crust of long story: No, that auxiliary nurse on your street can become a consultant, neither can the Gateman in our teaching hospital. Except of course they go through residency and become consultant Gatemen and nurses.

Wait sef... Consultancy na beans?

It's what I tell people down here. U can imagine doctors from other parts of the Africa and the world that I met are laughing at nigeria cos they have also heard this news. Someone told me yesterday, so after all this year's u spent training at home and here. When u return a nursing sister will also be a consultant as u.

erico2k2:
In other news B4 now if you even get 200 years experience and go through all kinda training as far as you are a Nurse you can never gain the status of Consultant.

But that's not true. Nurse attain chief matron status which is synonymous to consultancy. They just don't call em consultants. This thing they are looking 4 will choke them in the throat. It's just cos they think doctors enjoy certain rights which they are not wrong to think but then.....

bushdoc9919:
I daresay it is ok....the problem now is chain of command issues.

But this should not be the real fight....the real fight is for 30% of the budget to go to health care....and for more teaching hospitals, for the transformation of teaching hospitals to public private systems....which leaves more money for Primary and Secondary health care....and increasing training places.

That is what NMA and JOHESU should be agitating for.

Modified: The real issue is that government may probably say that it cannot afford more salary increases....which is why 30% to health should be the main thing for now.

This is a catastrophe. It's really bad. The idea behind this decision is to remove the supposed monopoly that doctors enjoy but the problem with this decision is that the patients will suffer. Pls 4 those of u ignorant about what this means. It is quite simple. A consultant nurse will have have equal decision making in patients management as a consultant doctor in nigeria. Even this is not practiced in developed countries that Nigerians love emulating.

U people rejoicing now keep rejoicing till the first casualties start coming out. This decision has already claimed it's first casualty in UCH. I heard a paediatric surgeon operated on a patient and went home in order to return the next day for his ward round. When he returned the consultant nurse had done her ward round and had opened and inspected the operation wound. The operating doctors asked the nurses at their station to pls reopen the wound so that the consultant who by the way was the person that operated to inspect the wound himself but the nurses refused saying they had done their ward round and they won't open the wound again. The surgeons angrily left and refused to return cos of the way they were treated by the nurses. The child died from infection 4 days later. I don't wish anyone this on anyone but this information is from a reliable source.
In developed countries only doctors are called consultants cos they consult. Now other health care professions ourside medicine us other names to represent their consultants. This is so there would not be any confusion on who has the last say on patient matters. This decision is bad for the Nigerian healthcare system and u guys will see it with ur own eyes in the coming years unless they clearly state the limitations of the non medical consultants.

davestead:
So what's your own definition of God fearing people sir? Or maybe you can't comprehend the written English...I can understand... Make comparisons between the both...that's how an intelligent post that claims to correct others should be written.

Ur sarcasm was expected and that concludes the lecture. A God fearing man can never be vengeful, he must see God in everything even in the silliest comment.

freshdude2:
Ah! Anything to piss you off. Good night dummy.

I rarely get pissed off, its past ur bed time small boy. Go to bed let ur parents talk.

GlorifiedTunde:
This is a very sensible thread. A lot of people have deceived or deluded themselves for long over a " God fearing " partner . I'll answer what it means now.

A God- fearing person is:

1. Not just a Church goer
2. Not just a Church worker
3. Not just a title bearer
4. Not just a gentle and morally sound person.

But ..

1. A person who loves God deeply that you can easily tell when he talks
2. [s]A person whose words of encouragement is always backed up by scriptures[/s]
3. [s]A person who doesn't feel shamed talking about God
4. A person who doesn't joke with sin
5. A person who doesn't hang around sinners or sinful places
6. A person who's friends too are godly[/s]
7. A person who will never ask you for sex before marriage
8. A person who tries all his best to avoid sin and feels terribly guilty when he falls into sin
9. Someone who loves to serve God, in fact a God-addict

[s]However, you cannot properly assess a real Godfearing partner if you are not. You are likely to base your judgement on your own level of spirituality.

For instance, a lady who clubs and believes she is Godfearing, will tell you a guy who drinks and go to Church too is Godfearing.

What I'm saying is that, your judgment of a Godfearing partner is usually equal to your personal spiritual level.[/s]


Most ladies do not actually like the real Godfearing man, they call them "overspiri" and "boring"


I have counselled many ladies, they always want a good+bad guy, which is impossible.

What they do not know however is that, being a Godfearing man doesn't mean you can't be loving, caring, romantic, protective, good in bed, funny and spontaneous.

davestead:
Nice and most sensible post I've seen in a long, long time. Thanks for that

i have corrected ur post. Ur definition of god fearing person is based on ur interpretation and how u understand. This ur definition has nothing to do with a God fearing man but a church going man. The two things are different and seperate cos a church going man may not really be God fearing.

dkronicle:
Strip infront of him, if his D is still shrinked then is a man of God.

Is that is ur definition of a man of God then I must be St. drnoel

freshdude2:
Drnoel, nairaland's chief phaggot. Come advise this young man from your years of experience.

small child so u are back again to insult ur parents