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LordReed:
If all has sinned how are they not under The Law of Condemmation aka Law of Sin and Death?

That is exactly what Paul is saying. When you steal, kill and do wrong, The Law comes for you and you will be under Condemnation and death.

But when you are washed and you do no wrong aka sin not, you are free from condemnation exactly how Efcc and ndlea and police do not bother when you do no wrong. End of story!

LordReed:
Those weren't what Jesus said to his disciples to keep alone....

The serpent has revealed his twisting self!

Change of post! The question was about my following The Law in its entirety not about disciples to keep alone.

No Road!

budaatum:
I guess the logical question to ask you then is, who created your god? Unless you want to of course claim your god is not on earth, to wit, where exactly is this god of yours?

It is an illogical question because the topic is about Proof of God, The Creator Who created us

And not Proof of that God's own creation! So this out of discuss.

Xxxxtentacion2:
if the parents were alive they wont allow their son throw himself into fire.. can you watch your child burn in fire while you do nothing if God was alive he wont allow people he loves suffer...

This case shows how illogical you are.
https://www.nairaland.com/7671858/mason-dark-tiktok-challenge-leaves#122838570

budaatum:
Actually, people think and they believe and do not bother considering the available evidence, which shows no evidence of a creator apart from those created by their fellow human beings.

As they may choose to think in ignoring the clear and obvious evidence and fact that no thing in this world is capable of creating itself including themselves were not even able to create themselves and place themselves in the best places in the earth instead of the bad places like they say Nigeria is.

LordReed:
The same Paul that said all have sinned? LoLz.

Have we not all done and do wrong?

And he restated what Christ Said that it is in our power and hands to stop doing wrongs aka "go and sin no more" . That's all.

LordReed:
LMFAO! Do you as a Christian follow the laws of Moses in its entirety?

I cannot do the entirety especially as i am not in Israel. And Moses taught them how to do it how much more I in my day, when devils have changed the calender (time and Laws Dan 7:25).

And most especially God raised up the most important part of The Laws that everyone can keep which is

1) Love, Respect,Honour and Fear The Lord.

2) Eschew evil and Do the good, harm no one and be blameless in everything.

All these things I can do and live to do.

LordReed:
State it unequivocally, did Paul say Christians are under the law or they aren't?

I stated it unequivocally that every Christian and reasonable person understands a that Paul was saying that if you have done no wrong then The Law would not come after you. And because a person has done no wrong, then he is above The Law of Condemmation aka Law of Sin and Death.

Paul did not say and cannot say that you above the Law of Family and Marriage and Food and drowning etc

budaatum:
So yes, people everywhere gave credit and worship to one who they were convinced was the maker of the universe, life and the earth. Just that people everywhere give that credit to the gods they believe in just like you do, since all the gods could not have created the same universe and life and the earth in the various diverse ways we are told they created. ...

In otherwords people recognise that a Greater Being owns and created the world, even if children of devils refuse to acknowledge Him like stupid tenants to their Land Lord.

Xxxxtentacion2:
NO he does'nt

Wishfull thinking

Xxxxtentacion2:
the existence of suffering in the world

So when a person throws himself into fire and suffers burns it means his parents do not exist right? What a logic.

LordReed:
Huh? Are you confused? First you say he advocated for the law now you are saying he didn't.

The same Jesus the supposedly said to someone to obey all the laws? The same Jesus that said:

You are pretending not to see I said Christians get Paul and they understood that what he said is what Christ Said in fewer words

LordReed:
LoLz. Are you being fatuous? Where do you think the trash comes from?

No, it actually disproves your point. The trash of 1 person is insignificant compared to the trash of millions and the trash of millions cannot be ignored.

Thrash mostly comes from settlers. Travellers thrash are mostly in the way of travel therefore are always lost in transit.

Millions of people including you and i have tranversed Abuja Lagos, Portharcourt-Lagos and we have never one day seen our last thrash.

Plus1234:
He pain you small.

E no go sweet you say madman dey call you.

LordReed:
Have you seen the trash heaps in Lokoja before? How would I find my own trash amongst the trash of millions of people.

Dude they were not travelling with the bodies of their dead.

You did not go to the heap to pile your thrash so how can it be there?

But the mere fact thst you can't find your own thrash in lokoja has proven my points.

LordReed:
Dude he was talking of the law given by Moses. Christians he said are not under that law so I dunno what you are talking about. Jesus never said anything like that.

Did I not infer that The Law is The Commandments?

Anyway, it is laymen and churchgoers and devils who do not understand what Paul means or refuse to understand. Christians get it and they understood that that is what Christ Said in fewer words.

jaephoenix:
Notice I didn’t send the message to you. I know u r incapable of mental exercises, so I didn’t waste my time.
So follow your advice

Says a person seeking people to join him in wasting his mind thinking about stupid unprofitable things.

jaephoenix:
1. The Bible has been found to be fairy tales both scientifically or historically. None of the events recorded in it were true. Egypt never ruled israelites. Nobody named Joseph has been in any form of rulership in ancient Egypt. And these ancient Egyptians keep records. That's why they are the earliest civilization. No time did the sun or moon stand still. No time did people resurrect en masse from the dead. No scientific evidence of a flood that covered the earth. Etc etc.

Repeating yourself shows its not true and you have nothing but a big fallacy.

jaephoenix:
2. According to you Christians , Yahweh existed without a creator.

According to us, God is God and we don't care where He comes from nor do we see any one contesting ownership of this world with Him! End of story.

jaephoenix:
3. Actually, the bible focused on all the creations of Yahweh, and not just earth. The Bible specifically said "In the beginning..

Obviously your usual stupid madness has begun

jaephoenix:
4. I was making my own conclusions about my own god, just like he made his own conclusions.

Invalid! No one asked you to.

22jumpstreet1:
he is not demonic..


he is just not well and needs help...i have volunteered to foot the bills...Him and Dtruthspeaker.

it is still standing...

Says the dustbin eating madman.

paxonel:
bad argument:

Saying just "bad argument" is proof you could not argue against it.

paxonel:
Our discussion here is difference between Christ and the law. Romans 11:6

And my counter which you could not argue is that Christ is The Law as proven by His Power to forgive sins. Common sense would have told you that it is The Law who has power to forgive and waive a sin.

paxonel:
What is then the correlation between man does not live by bread alone with what we are discussing here?

Are we not talking about life and death (condemnation)?

Again, there is no correlation with what we are discussing to this.

paxonel:
You don't use physical events like dirts again after wash to do illustration with spiritual cleansing especially when it get to do with the death and resurrection of Christ.

As i said you are irredeemably deluded. Jesus used a physical things to explain the spiritual e.g. vine and branches, the good shepherd and the sheep. It was obviously you he told that he used earthly things to explain the heavenly things yet you pretend not to get it. Man, you are finished.

And this is definitely for you

Revelation 22:11-12

He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: [b]and he which is filthy, let him be filthy ...

jaephoenix:
Whoa. Impressive!
So bro lemme ask you this.
Such a diverse universe existed and (according to you) was created by a god.
1. Which god is it? Yahweh, Allah, Brahma? Jesus claimed whatever he is but his book, the Bible has been found to be fraught with many lies and contradictions. How do you know Jesus claims isn't one of the lies?
2. Such an intelligent god wouldn't just pop up on its own. So who created it?
3. How do you know its one god and not many? After all, your own god said 'let US create man… ' , he didn't say 'let me create man'

The bible talked about us and our good/bad welfare.

So, we don't care where God comes from nor do we are any one contesting ownership of this world with Him!

So wash off. We don't care for stupidities

jaephoenix:
Like many Christians, fallacy flies in your face.
1. You ignored the part I said the Bible has been found to be a book of fairy tales

Found by who? And what authority? Here you are comitting a fallacy.

jaephoenix:
2. So why can't the universe exist without being created, since no one created such an intelligent god?

Can a thing exist without being created to exist?

Secondly, the bible focuses on the man and his house called earth and not on Pluto or Uranus.

jaephoenix:
Imagine this
There is only one Flying Spaghetti Monster . Other entities are fallen angels (Yahweh, Satan, Poseidon, Ra, Etc) who proclaim to be, but are pseudo, and they go by many names. All the end of days, all will be judged by the one true Flying Spaghetti Monster

Does the above sound strange to you, and why?

Invalid! No one asked you what your opinion is on the subject. So it is either you came to point out a reasonable query or you keep silent. Your own rubbish opinions is not the subject matter so you have spoken off point.

achorladey:
His peace does not originate from you. He cannot partake in your manipulations and lies of differentiating weeds from wheat and killing wheat based on your madness and insanities peddling coming from your brains

Imagine. Devil won give peace!

Aemmyjah:
According to Revelation 20:14, what is the lake of fire?

Repeating yourself after I have answered you even twice just proves that you have nothing
and that you want me to lie and say what i did not see which I will never do.

So if you think there is something more than I have said in the Rev 20:14 bring it let everyone here see it and let us see if what you see is there to see.

If not, we clearly know that you had nothing and that you were just trying to manipulate me like a demon into seeing what is not there.

LordReed:
Dude they would not be carrying round with them the dead bodies of 200,000+ people.

Not just poop, trash, bones of animals that were eaten, burn pits, etc. Nothing, no evidence.

Were they not more than 3million people? Surely 200,000+ bodies is not an issue

Poop, trash, food wastes etc these things are never there when you travel. Surely you have not found the bone you ate last time you travelled to Oré

LordReed:
Which law? The same one he said Christians are not under?

O Christian Lawyers were art thou?

He did not mean that Christians are not under Law. He was talking about The Law of Condemnation. The Laws which convicts and condemna a man what you would understand as "Criminal Law" with all the standards of proof of guilt and absolve-tion from guilt according to Law.

Paul was simply showing and proving in accordance with Law how a man is guilty and how a man is declared innocent making the connection and Law effects (legal effects) with the Works Christ Did and had Done.

Thus, his writings is about The Law implications (legal implications) of what Christ had done via a vis what The Law had done and will do.

So; Paul was writing to us lawyers first, hence Peters warning to lay men (2 Peter 3:6) to save help us see the Truth and Foundations of Law, for we absolutely know that there is no thing on earth that is not under Law.

Therefore, when Paul said "not under law" he meant a person who would not be attacked by criminal law since he has committed no offence exactly as no police or Efcc or ndlea has come to face you since you have not broken their law. That is what he was trying to teach hence why he said "sin (offence) is not imputed when there is no Law" Romans 5:13". This is where man and his fake laws called legal attached their own "Nullum crimen sine lege is Latin for "no crime without law." The phrase reflects the principle in criminal law and international criminal law that a person cannot or should not face criminal punishment except for an act that was criminalized by law before they performed the act. Though they say "Law" they mean man made laws e.g. criminal code, police act, acja, constitutions and all those fake commands that man made

Whereas, Law is Law and has always been in force and no man made The Law hence my thread https://www.nairaland.com/6989896/lawyers-not-deceit#110283265

So, Paul was talking about Law and how the Law operates in convicting an offender (a sinner)/absolving a person from sin.

LordReed:
There's no poop to identify that's the point.

They carried the dead bodies of thousands of people who died over the course of forty years? Are you kidding?

There normally isn't! You wont find the poop you laid when you were travelling after a week or 2 especially when you buried it or covered it with sand. Even the one laid open turns to sand and dust. That's my point.

Secondly, there is no big deal in carrying their dead. Mortuarying and handling of dead bodies is a part of living.

paxonel:
nothing but rejection of Christ.

The law isn't Christ.
The law is the law, while Christ is Christ.
They are two different entity

Rejection or accepting the law does not constitute rejection or accepting Christ.

Is it the law you worship or Christ?
Choose one

You have always loved your delusions irredeemably and if only you confined your delusions to damned self, then I won't have to contend you.

Is Christ not The Way, The Life, The Word?

How does man live? Deuteronomy 8:3 has already answered you.

You are the accurate person this quote describes

People have a habit of inventing fictions they will believe wholeheartedly in order to ignore the truth they cannot accept. Liba Bray

paxonel:
And you didn't deem it fit to continue to verse 11 so that you will have proper understanding?

1 Corinthians 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Since the scripture affirms that they were washed, sanctified, justified in the name of Jesus, can you now boldly say they are still thieves, nor covertous, nor drunkards anymore and that they will not inherit the kingdom of God ?

You don't have any such right to declare that.

When a thing is washed, does it mean it cannot be dirtied again? No

The only way a washed thing remains clean is if it is not made dirty again.

Thus, anyone who returns to his formers sins or any sin eg drunkenness,covetousness, fornication,lying, stealing is dirty and they shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Revelations even shows you that this is the standard of judgment in that even though The Lord may have washed and accepted you, He must not have any ought against you. E.g. the church in Pergamos in Revelation 2, who allowed and did fornication. which you say is washed.

14 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.

See He clearly stated who He wants here.

4 Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.

Meaning their garments were washed and that they were given clean garments and these made sure that it never got dirty (defiled) again.

Thus, you can see that what has been washed can be made dirty again unless the person ensures that he is not made dirty again. Deceive yourself no more!

Aemmyjah:
King James Version
Revelation 20:14
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

According to the verse
What is the lake of fire?

Notice the two 'prisoners' (according to your explanation) kept there

Obviously death and hell are what we would call evil persons just like Satan and all those cast in there.

Which is why we even say "death took him" and "hell came upon him".

So, it's still a place housing convicted persons like Sona in the Series "Prison Break".

LordReed:
The Sinai area is 60sqkm, that is a small area to be wandering in for 40 years. You are speaking as if they never stopped moving day in day out when several times it is said that they camped and stayed at locations for days. Even if they never stopped moving will they not eat? Will they not poop? Will they not stop to bury the dead? So thousands of people die over 40 years in a 60sqkm area and their bones cannot be found?

Can you identify who owns the poop between Abuja and Okene that it belongs to Muhammad's people or that it belongs to Tinubu's people? Or did you not read that even Jacob asked to be buried in the promised land? So obviously, they carried their dead.

Aemmyjah:
According to REVELATION 20:14 (Not according to your idea) , the lake of fire means or represents what?

I have answered you what I see it looks like and represents.

Clearly, it's a place that contains convicts hence why I said prison.

If there is something in there you want me to see, then you have to point it out.

Kingsnairaland:
Psalms 51:5 in Other Translations
5 Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me. 5 For I was born a sinner— yes, from the moment my mother conceived me....

Did David not do something sinfull after he was born?

Have you seen any where, where God has accused a baby or even an adult person who has done nothing "why hast thou done this sin?

Go and see if you can find anyone who God found guilty of sin who did not do anything.