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kingxsamz:
That's not a straight forward answer and I didn't ask for an epistle. I'll give you another opportunity.
The question is What will you do?
I expect your answer to start like this: "I will..."
So let's see you answer smartly in that manner. Go!

I have answered you already and surely you comprehended that my answer was to the effect that I KNOW MY CHILDREN ARE VERY WISE, so i was not going to do anything about it.

What I am going to do is to call you that my children travelled with the car and have joyfully arrived with our normal travel goodies and they even washed the car ready for another trip.

That's My Kids For You!

NNTR:
Taking out time to draft out the woman's charges was unnecessary

You didnt you read the memo, showing that Jesus asked the woman, the archetype of Eve, the following questions:
'Woman, where are your accusers, Where are they? Is there no one left to condemn you?'...

As seen, every case is independent from each other and therefore, THEY ARE JUDGED ON THEIR OWN INDEPENDENT MERITS.

Thus, the case of the woman who was charged with ONLY ONE CRIME OF ADULTERY, which was brought to The Lord for Judgement, is in no reasonable way comparable or similar to the Charges WHICH GOD HIMSELF (and not men) LEVELED AGAINST EVE.

Therefore, for me to see The Truth of the Case, it was needful to uncover the offences which she perpetrated by her acts in the transaction thereof.

kingxsamz:
Lol, so what if you foresee that your car will kill your children the next day, what will you do?
It's a direct question o. What will you do?

which also means that I know what specific area in the car which will kill my children exactly as we already have eg driving above 100kph aka overspeeding, drunk driving, racing other with other road users etc and we have over conquered these things.

So Surely, my children are greater than these things thus, it is also foreseeable that they would show that they are indeed MY TRUE CHILDREN for they would magnificently arrive at their destination without a scratch and the car even washed ready for another trip .

That's my children. They love to prove woe sayers WRONG!

Owain:
See,the ONLY reason you still go ahead to travel despite the possibility of having an accident or being kidnapped is because there is little or nothing you can do about the outcome of your hypothetical trip. I mean, you have no idea of what the future holds so you just service your car(if private), observe the necessary security precautions and hit the road. What any other HUMAN would do. The same logic goes too for all your other examples, there's only so much you can do!

But, if you know for a CERTAINTY that if you go ahead to travel tomorrow the 22nd of Dec, that you'll DEFINITELY be involved in an accident(hypothetically) that'll leave you completely paralyzed for life, answer me truthfully, would you still go ahead and make that trip??

I want to know..

It is Certain that JUDGEMENT IS CERTAIN!

It is also Certain that The Certain Judgement could either be favorable eg "Thou art Discharged and Acquitted. Entrance is hereby granted thee to enter into the New Heaven and Earth!"

Or Unfavorable eg "Thou art hereby found guilty of sleeping with thy neighbour's wife/husband, stealing, blasphemy .... thou art therefore sentenced to live thy life in the Lake of Fire and Brimstone.

Then the question which remains is "which Certain Judgement do you want to obtain?"

That, you have both a choice and an ability to accomplish, if you truly desired it.

OBALOLA55:
WHICH OF THE CREATOR ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT YOUR HUMAN god (CHRIST) OR YAHWEH (THE CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE)

Any, Every and All Creators Everywhere!

HellVictorinho3:
Theists consider theism as a solution to problems.

But the problems remain in the presence of theism.

What's the essence of theism?

Dtruthspeaker,TenQ, every other theist on Earth

Simple! When your car, phone house has a problem, Who is the proper person to take them to for resolution?

Surely you do not take your car to the plumber or your phone to the carpenter or your house to the surgeon.

You take them to Their Creatoors!

Thus, God, The Mighty Creator, is the Only One Who Can solve and resolve the problems experienced by our living in this our Box called world.

So exactly like our Computer Box, He is the One Who has the equipment and spare parts or secret codes which can be imputed for solving all our problems.

Exactly as a Camry can not live without regular maintenance from its creator, the Toyota Company.

Owain:
Your illustrations no follow at all.
Would you still go ahead to create humans KNOWING FULLY WELL that they will suffer in this world as a result of disobedience on the part of some other humans/non-humans who've existed before them? Yes or No?

How is it different from people marrying and giving birth even though they know that children get sick or get murdered?

Or traveling even though you know that you could get kidnapped or have an accident?

It's as simple as when you enter the sea, you get wet; when you consume poison, you will get sick.

If you do not want to be sick, do not eat poison, if you do not want to die, do not walk on the paths of death.

It's as simple as that!

DeepSight:
Mad talk? Steady now, calm your nerves and stop being emotional. Take a deep breath and then a cold clear look at this question:
If a product is faulty, who do you blame - the product, or its maker?

Its a really simple question with and equally simple answer.

The Answer is as clear as day. NO ONE IN THE WORLD HAS SUED HP, COMPAQ, IPHONE BECAUSE HIS NEIGHBOUR PUT IN VIRUSES INTO THEIR CREATIONS WHICH HE GOT FROM THEM.

EXACTLY LIKE SUING TOYOTA BECAUSE ONE MECHANIC TOLD YOU TO PUT SAND IN YOUR ENGINE "FOR STRONGER PERFORMANCE AND FUEL ECONOMY" AND YOU LISTENED.

CLEARLY, THAT IS YOUR FAULT AND NOT THE FAULT OF THE MAKER OF THE TOYOTA.

DeepSight:
This is absurd, only the creator could do such.
A creator is responsible for its creation.

What kind of mad talk is this when it is clear that The Creator did not do anything but Relaxing in His Own House?

Obviously, you have exhausted your reasonability quota of the day!

Owain:
I think the question is straight forward enough.. I mean if you could indeed see the future, would you still go ahead to create humans knowing they'll have to experience such untold suffering?
And pls don't bother if you want to come and start telling me of 'freewill' this and that.. Because freewill or no freewill, if you KNOW the FUTURE and KNOW FOR SURE that Satan, Adam, Eve and the rest will misuse their 'freewill', and thus lead to this kind of suffering, then there'll be no need to create them to start with.

What do you think? Or am I missing something?

Pls try to reason with your brain..no religious sentiments pls.
Thanks

You are missing everything.

First, the mere fact that I can see that my car would get damaged by my "children" would never had stopped me from making it.

Secondly, i can also foresee that my children will not destroy my cars, but that either would not make me create it.

Thirdly, I can foresee that my Tesla can enjoy happily ever after or stupidly bring suffering on itself.

As A Creator I see many things and I will do what I choose to do.

BUT WOE AND SUFFERING SHALL ATTACH TO ANY STUPID CREATION WHICH DOES NOT OBEY THE WORDS OF MOUTH.

Na im Fault be dat!

Courtesy, DeepSight!

DeepSight:
This is a bold claim, considering the diseased nature of the world and the fallible nature of man.
It seems to me that what you are doing is blaming the created thing for its fallible nature, whereas the responsibility for that could only ever rest with the creator.

It is always unreasonable to excuse any creator while blaming any created thing in the matter of the imperfection of the created thing. That, my friend, is always a question of the creator's competence or motives.

And don't be ignorant. I could point you to physical factory defects in a jiffy.

Who diseased the world?

Answer: the creation itself.

Was he under the fear of imminent death (Duress) or "under a gun when" when he was made to BREAK THE ONLY LAW IN THE WORLD?

(This is where Adam (Man) is different from Eve (woman)

Adam was forced by the threat of love and sex and the sweetness of woman into breaking The Law otherwise He would have been Free and the world would not have been diseased, exactly as it was when it came out of the Factory.

And this is the reason why God through the Bible, speaks to men and made A Way for them to Return to their Original Factory Settings and their Former Absence of Diseased State, for those who want it.

But Eve has none.

If you look closely you will see that GOD DID NOT TRY HER ON THAT DAY, {unlike Satan and Adam} same as He Did to Cain's murder of Abel. THEIR CASES WERE NOT TRIED BUT POSTPONED TILL JUDGEMENT DAY.)

I even took out time to draft out Eve's Charges to see her action properly.

https://www.nairaland.com/6319053/when-eve-charged-court-charges

DeepSight:
This is a bold claim, considering the diseased nature of the world and the fallible nature of man.
It seems to me that what you are doing is blaming the created thing for its fallible nature, whereas the responsibility for that could only ever rest with the creator.

It is always unreasonable to excuse any creator while blaming any created thing in the matter of the imperfection of the created thing. That, my friend, is always a question of the creator's competence or motives.

And don't be ignorant. I could point you to physical factory defects in a jiffy.

Who diseased the world?

Answer: the creation itself.

Was he under the fear of imminent death (Duress) or "under a gun when" when he was made to BREAK THE ONLY LAW IN THE WORLD?

(This is where Adam (Man) is different from Eve (woman)

Adam was forced by the threat of love and sex and the sweetness of woman into breaking The Law otherwise He would have been Free and the world would not have been diseased, exactly as it was when it came out of the Factory.

And this is the reason why God through the Bible, speaks to men and made A Way for them to Return to their Original Factory Settings and their Former Absence of Diseased State, for those who want it.

But Eve has none.

If you look closely you will see that GOD DID NOT TRY HER ON THAT DAY, {unlike Satan and Adam} same as He Did to Cain's murder of Abel. THEIR CASES WERE NOT TRIED BUT POSTPONED TILL JUDGEMENT DAY.)

I even took out time to draft out Eve's Charges to see her action properly.

Solofresh2:
Happy Sunday Nairalanders
Well,am sure we all are aware of the Bible verse that says "the wages of sin is death"
But to my knowledge,I find out that all humans must die and even some wicked people we know still live longer than the ones we call saints
Sometimes, you will see some wicked people live so long till old age before they die and you will also see some kind hearted people dying young.

If the wages of sin is death,then why do this wicked people live long and why do we believe everyone will still die

I think there is more to this Bible verse than we see it

Please any one with good knowledge should explain.Thanks

Lalasticlala please front page

Did you not hear that the wicked must eat the fruits of their wickedness?

So they have to live to see and eat their destruction before they Die!

itsme01:
Some people misjudged as saints are sometimes more wicked than the ones we know to be wicked

You already said the Magic word "misjudged".

So we require Proper and True Judgement!

DeepSight:
Of course the point being made here is exactly that if an iphone is faulty as released from the factory, surely, Steve Jobs would be the man to question, not the Iphone.

That is the point, of my point.

WHEN THERE IS A PROBLEM, THEN INVESTIGATION, QUERIES AND JUDGEMENT WOULD BE REQUIRED.

DeepSight:
And it is again exactly this sort of puzzling arrogance that really is worrisome: we are repeatedly told how inconsequential we are in the matter of our own existence - while he who created us as we are sits in righteous and pious judgment over we the inconsequential. There is something markedly perverse in this, surely.

And this is where people do not see that they are being very stupid, out of line (Trespassing) and Suicidal.

For, if your car could talk and freely run its mouth, would you tolerate it talking about your garage or compound or House?

Surely, we know you would burn the car for not minding it's own business.

AND CREATE ANOTHER ONE. (If you still desire, As is your Unquestionable Right!)

DeepSight:
No contest - but that remains entirely the deed of the said creator, from start to finish, warts and all. That cannot be blamed on any created thing.

That is what INVESTIGATION clears.

Absence of Factory Defect is Proof of Self Murder aka Suicide!

And unfortunately for us creations, we have no factory defects.

Therefore, those claiming Factory Defects WILL DISGRACE FULLY FAIL IN COURT ON THAT DAY!

Shalomdee:
...Many people have been led to believe that Christ will come before the tribulation and those who are not ready will be 'left behind ' to face the tribulation and would have to reject the mark of the beast in order to make heaven at last.

This is self proven already as the Tribulation is surely here and The Lord did not come before it.

AdventHero:
God's instructions SHOULDN'T BE applied on the basis of our emotions or perceived understanding

Or on wishes and Wish Fullnesses.

But, obtaining THE TRUE "Understanding" of them is pari material.

AdventHero:
Our texts on part one of this topic "God is particular" focuses on the case of Moses and the resultant effect of his action. God always means what He says and will not change the mode or reduce His standards to accommodate aberrations in matters of worship and salvation.

Dear Friend the only language God accepts is one of "Faithful Obedience" to His Words. ...

This is where we know those who are the Children of God!

DeepSight:
For it has always seemed somewhat odd to me, that one may create something, and then proceed to sit in magisterial judgement over it - in terms of condemning it to destruction or granting it life. In terms of saying that it is good or evil - Because - any such judgement is necessarily a judgment of the Creator itself and no one else, surely?

Is it Peugeot that is to judge the iPhone or Steve Jobs?

Or when the Camry does not work properly do you take it to the surgeon?

DeepSight:
Who else is responsible for the nature of a created thing if not the creator of the thing?

I bet you would not agree that you are guilty of kidnapping simply because your friend used your car to kidnap people.

So if you have that right, how are you so wicked and unjust to imagine that God too does not have it also?

Well, the great thing is that your opinion is inconsequential exactly as when Steve Jobs or Toyoda Judges that certain iPhones and Corollas are fit for destruction.

And it is done!

And no one can stop their destruction.

That is the Incontestable Power and Right of A Creator!

Prime4life:
Girls when dey use body gum you for sex, then get something dem won share oo. Is either na ghonoreah, HIV, or STD. so my brother shine your eye.

And dem get wetin dey one take from you and e no be money! Na something wey you no know say e dey dia. Something wey Big Well Well!

Women be witches!

Sem know your spirit pass you.

Remember d oda guy wey notice say everytime e phuck, hin dey shrink?

Boys think say na joke, and I wonder if someone no see say d women wey talk for d thread dey DEFEND THEMSELVES AND COVER UP THE MATTER!

It's not money women want it is your soul.

Exactly as Mileena's "Finish Him" move in Mortal Kombat, see, ("Finish Him" and eh, she's a WOMAN!

After you have made your own "brilliant" or "stupid" moves, remember God, too is playing in this game called life, so He too is making or shall make His Own Moves too.

iLoveYouToo:
Lawyers please come and epp us

The law men made for themselves said that they would be charged for murder and if found guilty, the court would not pronounce death sentence on them but they shall be kept in prison at the pleasure of the Governor.

HelloWriter:
I think that the burden of the responsibility would be on anyone acting in loco parentis (in parental position). If they did it while at home, their parents would have been the ones to hold responsible. But, now that they did it while at a boarding school, the school managers are to be held responsible.

A case in point relates to the minor involved in the recent school shooting in Michigan, USA. His parents have been arrested because he came to school from his home with the gun on the day of the shooting.

Even in Late Sylvester's case, his real parents may also share in the responsibility as many Nairalanders agree on this thread https://www.nairaland.com/6880945/opinion-why-blame-oromoni-snr

There is almost no vicarious liability in criminal responsibility for no one can be convicted for a a crime committed by another person, so it is impossible for either loco parentis or the school to be guilty of murder, which even the Michigan case prove.

The school is however culpable for not taking the necessary and due action towards preventing the death and suffering of Sylvester.

Lamanii22:
Good morning everyone! So I made a post about my husband's nephew few weeks ago about the boy being light-fingered... I don't know how to add previous link to a new post pardon me....


Most people "nairaland boys" especially moved from the message of that post and started bashing me. Well, that was much expected since it's now a culture on here...


So we got a call from his school that a laptop went missing at one of the hostels, and all fingers were pointed at him, they said he was the last person who went there and Sha Sha Sha, they've seized his phone, we pulled a call through to his mom, she said she'd be at his school tomorrow (that is, today)..... There would be more info later...


This was what I was trying to avoid but my husband wasn't seeing all this at all, he is pissed now anyway.... His image at school have been tarnished... Even if he was innocent, the damage cannot be undone....

As I told you before, the evil you do, will return to you with interest.

Throw the boy out... Your Turn is Coming.

Kaleidoscopic:
You do not quite know me so you're wrong to assume and judge based on mere and faulty assumptions.

All men fall into 2 groups sons of Adam (Righteous) or sons of Satan and Eve (evil).

And it is only sons of evil who have this issue.

The Lord is not far from the Righteous.

Kaleidoscopic:
If God is truly Omniscient, that is all-knowing, all-wise, and of infinite awareness and understanding, [b]why does He require us to ask before He acts?[/b]l

Because you people are stupid evil creatures who never appreciate a good thing unless you have suffered and cried and begged to receive it.

Tells you whose child you are, which clearly tells you the second reason why God would almost never answer your prayers

And this is besides the third fact that you all think that God does not know the TRUE Reason for your petition.

And with God, it is impossible to get promoted to next class Unless and Until you qualify for it.

So stagnancy or promotion, is in your hand.

Kaleidoscopic:
our mind is right, and at peace with God and our 'neigbour', and since God sees that we're making daily effort to keep his commandments, to love and to be charitable towards others, why does He have to wait until we pray to answer our prayers?

Now you are marking your own script, so of course, you would not fail yourself.

Kaleidoscopic:
He knows our innermost thoughts, silent prayers, wishes and aspirations, yet He would not go out of His way to make them happen, until we pray?

He clearly said "before you ask I will hear and while you are still speaking He would have Answered"

So if this does not happen to you, therefore it should show you where you stand and whom you stand with.

Another Church goer on his way to "I Hate God" ship aka atheism.

Ammishaddai:
Not true . There are instances of men who walked with God and they were murdered and condemned to a life of penury . The will of God is not the same for everyone

God has already told us His Will, so that is settled.

Thus, there is a difference between doing a job for God which may include death, which every servant of God knows that death Automatically means Life, so no problems here and ordinary daily living, which if a man TRULY walked in God's Way, it is always well for them and Psalm 23 is their song.

And they know that The Way of The Lord is not Dangote, Tinubu riches and what the world thinks is riches.

They TRULY know and Understand The Law of "Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof".

The know The Way of The Lord and they joyfully walk therein.

Ammishaddai:
It is possible for a man to walk in all the statues of God and still not succeed in life

Then he did not walk in the Way of The Lord.

snowwhyte607:
A Christian is one that his or her life is suppose to be like that of Christ. A true Christian should be one that when people see, they see the life of Christ.

A combination of Christianity and Entrepreneurship is what I've termed Christianeurship. And a Christianeur must note the following to succeed:

1. Poverty is not a genetic disease Psalms 139:13, Genesis 1:26-28, Jeremiah 1:5.

2. God made sure everyone of us has a gift 1Corinthians 12:7.

3. God made sure that time and chance happens to all people Ecclesiastics 9:11.

4. God made sure that there is time to sow and time to reap Genesis 8:22, Ecclesiastics 3:2.

5. God has opened doors that no man can shut for us Revelation 3:8

We should also know that prayer is not a substitute for knowledge, neither is it a substitute for information.

Prices To Pay In Order To Succeed:

1. The price of hard work Proverbs 22:29.

2. The price of knowledge and information Daniel 9:2.

3. Collaboration; you can't do business successfully without networking.

God bless you all!

You forgot, Jeremiah 7:23, else ALL IS A NULLIITY.

“But this thing commanded I them saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.”

sonmvayina:
Lol..if Jesus was truly God son why did he abandon him?
After inspiring the prophets and psalmist to say he will never abandon his people or his own??

As I said, No reasonable person puts food in a dirty evil plate.

amnesty7:
Pls explain here so that we can all learn. The verse is surprising that Jesus cried that God has forsaken him.

No reasonable person puts food in a dirty evil plate.

sonmvayina:
Just say you can't....nobody will crucify you.

Before you attempt to make sense out of nonsense...

Still stupidly saying the same thing. No one is still going to crucify me as I have refused to answer the Op's Shit full Stupid question.

Actually, you have just crucified me because I exercised my right to refuse to answer.

So there you go, MURDERER.