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God1000:
As a heathen who believes in humanism, I'm free from religious bondage, the existence of God is something that bothers me a lot, we read so much about his mighty power in the Bible and quran, but how do we know all that story is real, how do we believe in someone that doesn't show himself (physical appearance) will I croak before I get the answers?

Since you refuse to see the little things on earth, you are gonna have to learn therefore by the direct experience giving by "croaking"!

Experience has always been a better teacher!

nbgospel:
There has been teachings on the popular chapter and verse of the scripture we know about which is Psalm 23.

There are deep things about it which you need to know. Now was Psalm 23 a actually an experience of king David? What is the meaning of the Lord is my shepherd? What is the central message of Psalm 23? What is Psalms 23 in KJV?

There are lots of questions to ask and things to review. I am here to tell you that an article I found on a website on Sermon and commentary about Psalms 23 marvelled me because of it's Rich content.


One of the things you need to know is that I learnt from the page is that all that King David said in the spirit will take place if the Lord is my shepherd. Then I shall not want in anything in life be it wealth and prosperity.


There are lots of time to share, you need to visit the page for more because the article teaching on Psalm 23 KJV was great...

Yes!

ONLY IF THE LORD IS INDEED YOUR SHEPHERD.

IF HE IS NOT, THEN YOU WILL HAVE WHAT IS GENERALLY AVAILABLE!

Myer:
Point to anything I mentioned here that's not a fact.

I have already addressed what I addressed AND YOU HAVE ALREADY ANSWERED, HOW YOU CHOSE TO ANSWER, SO IT IS SETTLED AND I HAVE MOVED ON.

musicwriter:
Of course, men/women created all laws, except physical laws that are there by default.

You are still dodging the question posed.

When those men/women where born, was The Law not already on ground before them waiting for them to come?

You know that Worship has Traveled! So it is a biz Ventura!

Omooba77:
How can I please God?

The same way you please yourself, your parents, your neighbours, your emoyers!

Crystyano:
How do living things without a physical form exist

In fact, how does anything that is not a property of something with a physical form exist when it's not something with a physical form??


As far as I'm concerned,if something exists,then it's either something with a physical form or the property/characteristic of something with a physical form.....


The other time,AOO1 was talking about spirits but he ended up saying nothing or not saying anything at all!!!!

Bros, we too be fellow products like you and Manufacturer don already tell you wetin He wan talk.

So See Manufacturer's Manual (Bible) for details, if you like.

musicwriter:
Of course, rebuttal has been given. Fornication is a wrongdoing or SIN according to your religious perspective versus SIN as non wrongdoing in the perspective of the law. Can you refute that?

I refuted it and you could not reply! I asked,

"WHO MADE LAW? Certainly not your father nor mine nor our fathers or there fathers there before."

For all men where under The Law before they were born.

So Who Owns That Law which all men in the world are born into?

See the injustice!
https://www.nairaland.com/6859542/482-impounded-okadas-crushed-lagos

Is it just to steal my property because I "violated" a rule which you really have no right to make? Land and Road belongs to No One.

Or is the punishment of violation the stealing of my personal property?

Mayour11:
Even if the number is low, they'd tell you there's no money to hire

This is where you see that men have been decieved. Courts are supposed to be Free, For it is established by Nature and not by men. And the things in Nature are Free!

Thus, a complaint should have gone to it with his own version of Complaint, as long as his complaint is comprehensible and understandable (No need for strict application of Writs, Petitions, Plaint etc all these are Frauds and devices used to unlawfully control the natural free will God gave men)

Therefore, the Judge attached to the Court is Free.

All that is required is a person who is known to be reasonable and fair to be called upon to hear and determine a matter.

Mayour11:
..., the police also need money for money to carry out investigation.

Another Fraud, The Police Set Up. Nature is our Police, and it has its way of proving crimes whilst respecting Individual Rights.

And when Nature Convicts a person, the convict himself can not reasonably challenge it.

Therefore at all times, the respective Rights of the parties are never violated.

A person should not be imprisoned on an accusation at all. His rights remain unless guilt falls on him.

That is the correct natural procedure of Justice Dispensation and this procedure is both fast and fair and cheap.

It is because justice it is a vital component of living so these frauds have set up a system to steal from people and forcing people to give them their hard earned earnings, while subjecting them to their absolute control and whim.

Which is why all their beneficiaries can do whatever they like and escape with no consequences while laughing at the people as they cry for justice.

Also the same reason why there is injustice.

Kinematics:
Kano est 20 million and Rivers est 7 million? What a fallacy..




Well I don't think the reason for case adjournment is entirely due to lack of judges rather I think its due to our poor judicial system.

Every local government is supposed to have a Court. That would speed up the justice delivery.

musicwriter:
Honestly, I don't understand what you're saying and the reason is because you're conflicted between reality and your religious belief. Sorry, when I talk about your religion it's not to put you down but because I know where your perspective is coming from. A religious person can NEVER understand this thread.

Let me tell you something.......

The issue raised by the OP of this thread predate your god Jehovah Yahweh or Allah, whichever the case...... by thousands of years. The information was well documented in Africa long time before your bible or Koran were written. The ORIGINAL scripts had been in Africa for thousands of years, making the same argument that I am making here. However, what the bible and Koran authors did was burn down the ancient African literatures, plagiarized and re-wrote the ancient African texts and claimed that "their god said" in all the so called holy books, therefore, automatically posing themselves as the custodians of god's word; example; that fornication is sin, etc but which is falsehood. This was done for the purpose of controlling the masses in the name of god. Unless you free yourself from the falsehoods in your bible that has defined good or bad in the name of a god, you'll forever not be clear as far as this topic concerned.

Once you discover the falsehood of religion, you'll understand that good or bad depends on motive/perspective not your god. Sorry, the problem is the falsehood of religion that got you blind and conflicted, that's why I talk about your religion. It's important to first remove the blinders before you can even understand this thread.

Finally, your god has nothing to do with good or bad. It's we humans that create, know, and justify good or bad and it's we humans that said "god said" in the holy books for the purpose of control.

See, as I said, ungrounded attack in the believe of God and NOT GIVING ANY VALID REBUTTAL. (Fall Of Ad Hominem Because I Believe In God)

"Anything placed on Nothing, shall never stand. It must always fall".

Awoo88:
Na the same thing we dey talk. You judge the did. You only validate your judgement with the why. No body judge the why with hard fact, only sentiment and subjectivity

No sir, they are not the same thing because the "Did" can scatter the case eg "Jagga, did you sleep with Rasta's babe? He answers= "me wey no dey around!" Case Dismissed/ Case Closed.

While in "Why", you are guilty already eg "Ogo, why you sleep with Rasta babe"?" Or exactly as thieves are asked when caught, "why you thief dis brainbox, mirror and chrome?" As he is chopping beating for his guilt of stealing.

sonmvayina:
After all these..tour body is still going to become food for worms and maggots...who is fooling who?

We see that our bodies are exactly as our clothes covering the body, in this case covering our soul.

So like the cloth, body go old and rotten
and become manure, but the soul of those who qualify for future living, all it takes is to put away the body and get another cloth. Problem Solved.

Myer:
I intentionally ignore your mentions cos I've realised your intention is at variance with mine.
Your intention is to argue pointlessly.
My intention is to engage in intelligent arguments that produce results and enlightenment.

At such we will be at disservice to each other.
So pls like Johny Walker, just keep on walking out of my mentions.

CHANGE OF POST!

IF YOU HAD A VALID CASE AND OBJECTION TO MAKE, YOU WOULD HAVE PRESENTED IT!

SO GO BACK AND ENSURE THAT YOU HAVE ALL THE FACTS RIGHT BEFORE YOU COME MAKING YOUR POSTS.

musicwriter:
It's clear you've started contradicting yourself and indeed accepting that good or bad depends on perspective. That's a welcome development.

Wrong! It is you who fails to appreciate that Sight and Seeing which is what causes perspective, is an integral part of our natural living, for we see to live, thus it is taken for granted

So the question in issue is "what do we see?" Which is what I addressed and not "how does a person sees, what we all see and have seen, that he sees?" Wrong question.

musicwriter:
Read my first post on this thread again cause I already explained everything that you're just coming to terms with now. But the problem is that your religious perspectives have your psyche confined and stuck, otherwise you'll have read where I even said that the nuances to judge bad or good are so many that sometimes it could be difficult determining good or bad depending on the circumstance. I even used words as "good, "better", "best", "extra good" just to be able to explain it. I even went as far as comparing it to weighing something on scale to find a perfect balance!!

The foundation of your post was already bad as you yourself have seen by my query of the relevant portion of it.

If the foundation is already bad, there is no way that your post would be valid, therefore, I did not read your attempt at balancing the issues, exactly as administering medications to a horse whose heart and brain is dead is totally a nullity. Forgive my sharp speech.

And twice have you attacked me based on the fact that I live on God and the Bible thereby FALLING IN THE FALL AKA FALLACY OF AD HOMINEM BECAUSE I BELIEVE IN GOD rather than simply present your reasonable rebuttal if you had any, which as you truly see, you do not have.

You are rather pleading that I should have seen the fact that you attempted to do justice to the matter, which I am answering you that "As long as the foundation is bad, you have a bad house under construction" which has now collapsed as the ikoyi storey building.

"Anything placed on Nothing, shall never stand. It must always fall".

Awoo88:
You judge what you feel and think the intentions are not the intention. And the bolded is affirming my point. What can be judged not is the observable actions not the why but the DID

It is procedural, the "did" comes before the "why".

Myer:
You are the church-goer and religious one since you only recycle whatever your pastor tells you and dont study your bible.

FALL OF AD HOMINEM!

You do not have any thing valid to say other than to come to do what you accused others of doing, which is to insult and persecute me.

musicwriter:
"Nothing is good or bad. Good or bad depends on your point of view.

Not totally correct.

Some things are not good nor bad (but can be directed for either good purposes or bad purposes eg eating, chairs, gisting, sex.

Some things are apparently Good in themselves having no bad quality eg harming no one, giving good care to others (not any care), fairness, justice.

And there are many things which are bad/evil ab initio eg Stealing, plottings to harm your fellow man, desiring unjust gain and profit, breaking of good faith agreements

So you see, everything in this world have their proper places which ranges from "Neither good nor bad/evil to either good or either bad/evil."

musicwriter:
It's your motive that creates the illusion of good or bad. Something could be bad to me but good to you.....and vice versa."

Above is the second paragraph of my first post on this thread but of which you replied saying "wrong." So explain to me how you knew but said I am wrong.

The question you are supposed to ask is what is the place of Motive in every case?

Answer: So that the ''Just is" can be Served. Motive is only necessary for the purpose of calculating the amount of guiltiness an Accused has so as to determine the amount of punishment to be brought upon him.

These are what makes your presentation flawed.

Myer:
I have been a staunch Christian and I also persecuted non-Christians.
Now I'm irreligious and at the receiving end.

You were a church goer, not a Christ Follower.

Also IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR A CHRISTIAN TO EVER LEAVE CHRIST, EXACTLY AS AN AJEGUNLE BORN FACE ME I SLAP YOU BOY WILL NEVER LEAVE A 3 BEDROOM FLAT IN GARKI ONLY TO RETURN TO HIS FORMER AJEGUNLE OR UGBOWOR!

musicwriter:
Indeed, I've shown that it's separable i.e in RELIGIOUS versus LEGAL perspective. So, how dare you ask that question when you're arguing it's inseparable?

You did not know before, as your previous statement proved and you thought I was wrong to have applied Legal Reasoning to it, so I am happy to prove it to you that you were wrong.

musicwriter:
Regarding the rest of your post, I have no time to dwell on your religious views cause religion is madness..

As is your Right sir, as you already have power to do and lo, I did not call on you to take up what you wish to call my religious view.

So I am well in my law full place as you are, so no problem.

Workch:
Are you not ashamed that to say that rain fall from heaven?

hehehe CHANGE OF POST!

I really do not claim to know exactly where rain comes BUT I MOST CERTAINLY DO SAY THAT IT DOES NOT COME FROM THE EARTH.

AND NATURE SHOWS ME THAT IT COMES FROM UP.

AND THE BIBLE SAYS GOD AND HEAVEN ARE UP.

SO, UP I LOOK AND UP I WILL LOVE TO GO!

Workch:
seriously I am so embarrassed on your behalf, If in 21th century we still have people who believe rainfall comes from heaven then humanity is failing.
You are a setback to humanity and what you showcased today is a wake up call to our government to start investing genuinely in education.

It’s heartbreaking to see that a homo salients still believes rain drops come from heaven.

hahaha Translation: "I did not know that water cycle only explains what happens in our cooking and boiling pots" hahaha

"You know Nothing, John Snow!"

XXXXTENTACION:
What job have you done so far...

hehehe You are not my employer neither are you my Evaluating Officer!

maiquel:
lol,... I got you

Thank you sir!

ShaqFu:
Nicely put my good sir. So many of them fail to understand this, as they tend to judge people who don't believe in whaet they believe in from that point of view.

You can see how hard it is for the moniker you're debating with to comprehend what you've been saying.

Happy to disappoint you lady, No matter what, all relevant judgements in the world are based upon Good vs Evil; Rights vs Wrong; Law Full vs Unlawfull.

musicwriter:
Example; a so called wrongdoing in your bible, such as the SIN of fornication, is not a wrongdoing from LEGAL point of view, and therefore, is not a sin from the perspective of the law. Read that again.

Now you are talking about Lawful vs Unlawful Did I not tell you it is inseperable?

The question then is, "WHO MADE LAW? Certainly not your father nor mine nor our fathers or there fathers there before.

It is God, The Owner of this House (world) Who Made The Laws Controlling all the inhabitants of this house.

That is where The Law, The True Law which men call The Law, The First and Original, Comes from.

And it is that Law which makes you unhappy and pained when you discovered that the woman you love has fornicated with other men.

That is The Law in Force, which everyman is bent under and not the unlawful evil and lying laws which men made for themselves, which will never be there for you when you need them the most.

That is what Christian Lawyers like me now know!

XXXXTENTACION:
Go and preach in sambisa forest to demonstrate the power of your God ...

You are not my Employer!

My Employer has placed me here! hehehe

Workch:
You are illiterate, keep quiet.
Simple water cycle you still do not understand. No wonder illiterate are adherents in Christianity.
How can you not understand basic science of rainfall? Damn

Oh you fell for my trap here! .

If water cycle was True, then it Must be raining everyday in the world.

The Sahara and the oceans should have their equivalent quantity of rainfall, extracted from them.

Famine should be impossible, for the sun comes up and heats up everything everyday, yet, no rain falls! Why?

Floods caused by Excessive Rainfall would not exist either because, BY THE FOOLISHNESS OF YOUR SCIENCE, THE QUANTITY OF RAIN DEPENDS ON THE QUANTITY OF HEAT ABSORBED INTO THE ATMOSPHERE, SO GOING BY THAT REASONING, WE OUGHT TO SEE FLOODS POUR OUT FROM OUR COOKING AND WATER POTS WHEN HEATED BASED ON YOUR WATER CYCLE THEORY.

AND THIS HAS NEVER HAPPENED. NOT EVEN ONCE HAVE OPENED THE COVERS OF OUR HEATED POTS, DID A FLOOD OVERWHELM US.

So you see, you are a fool to think that science reaches up to God's Work!

Workch:
Scientific illiterates are more likely to be religious. It would have been better if didn’t comment

science did not cover this area, if not, I dare you, repeat what science told you to say and see if I would not rip it to shreds making you look stupid.

FahBuLous:
So some people are still daft ...
He thought he was making a point but actually he was spewing rubbish....

A Fool just must always display his foolishness!

Workch:
With basic thermodynamics of liquid, it’s easy to see the ridiculousness of the Noah’s ark myth.
The Bible claims that there was rainfall for 40days that covered the peak of Mount Everest, let’s even assume that the earth contains that much amount of water

Why doth thou lovest to advertise that thou art foolish, rainfall cometh from the heavens and not from the earth.