Christianity Etc › Re: Many Christians Only Know The Law Of Moses But Not That Of Christ by Dtruthspeaker: 1:47pm On Jun 22, 2021 |
OkCornel: How did the Serpent's seed sneak back into the human race if only Noah's sons (descendants of Seth, not Cain) survived the flood hmmm?
All these rubbish doctrines flying up and down sha...  who do you think made Sarah give her servant to Abraham? Exactly as he made Eve give to Adam to eat!  |
Christianity Etc › Re: Many Christians Only Know The Law Of Moses But Not That Of Christ by Dtruthspeaker: 1:44pm On Jun 22, 2021 |
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Christianity Etc › Re: Many Christians Only Know The Law Of Moses But Not That Of Christ by Dtruthspeaker: 1:42pm On Jun 22, 2021 |
perezeghi: Apologies but the Scripture did not say in any place that Eve slept with the serpent or Satan. I don't even want to do any form of assumption on it. The scriptures did not say whom Cain married but we calculate that it must be his sister as we reasonably obtained from Abraham marrying his half-sister. The scriptures did not say Jesus, spoke with Abraham but we obtained it from the fact that Christ said "Before Abraham, I am". As pregnancy is the proof of sex and burning is the proof of fire, those facts prove other facts! |
Christianity Etc › Re: Many Christians Only Know The Law Of Moses But Not That Of Christ by Dtruthspeaker: 1:22pm On Jun 22, 2021 |
OkCornel: Address Acts 15 jare….
Was the law meant for Gentiles not residing in Israel too? Open a thread! OkCornel: I can leave your travesty on Eve sleeping with the Serpent to conceive Cain for another day. That’s another lie to tear apart easily. I have already tied up the evidence from the end to the beginning exactly as pregnancy is the proof of sex. You accept it or reject it, I really do not care |
Christianity Etc › Re: Many Christians Only Know The Law Of Moses But Not That Of Christ by Dtruthspeaker: 1:16pm On Jun 22, 2021 |
OkCornel: Read Deuteronomy 32 v 30-38 and explain to us how that passage is a law.
Basic English sha.., na wa o I was not talking about the passage but statement in the passage exactly as you demanded "turn the other cheek" which is also part of a passage. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Many Christians Only Know The Law Of Moses But Not That Of Christ by Dtruthspeaker: 1:05pm On Jun 22, 2021 |
OkCornel: Dtruthspeaker;
Speak the truth, you won’t die. Why did you dodge the question I posed on Acts 15?
Is the law meant for gentiles not resident in Israel? Please read Acts 15 and tell us.
Just as I expected, you’re looking for ways to dodge this one and hide under the banner of “I edited my post”
Cc Jesusjnr2020 I Never Deviate from the issues which flow from a thread I comment on. All Fresh Issues and Topics should have a thread of their own and I always tell anyone who raises a Fresh Issue requiring my answer to Create A Thread for that Issue. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Many Christians Only Know The Law Of Moses But Not That Of Christ by Dtruthspeaker: 1:00pm On Jun 22, 2021 |
OkCornel: Can you show us where the Law of “Vengeance is mine” states “turn the other cheek?”
Let’s examine Deuteronomy 32 in context just to be sure people still understand basic English here… The first part of "Turn the other cheek" does it not say "Whosoever shall Strike thee on thy right?" When struck, is it not that you say, you must "Revenge" and strike back? "Vengeance is Mine Says The Lord" and The Law! |
Christianity Etc › Re: Many Christians Only Know The Law Of Moses But Not That Of Christ by Dtruthspeaker: 12:52pm On Jun 22, 2021 |
OkCornel: I changed my post?!
Or you conveniently edited that part out of your reply! I can’t deal with such level of dishonesty. See how you willingly lie and falsely accuse, is not your posts to me at 12:05pm written thus? Duplicated hereunder! OkCornel: "Re:Many Christians Only Know The Law Of Moses But Not That Of Christ by OkCornel(m): 12:05pm Dtruthspeaker:
It is Settled and Known that Christ Jesus, is The Lord!
Since He is The Lord, then you already know that He is The Same Law Giver.
Since He is The Law Giver, is He Under His Law that He should Fulfill it?
Remember His Words "ye are from beneath, I am from above. Ye are from this world, I am not of this world" John 8:23 So who does The Law Apply on that it should be fulfilled? Is it Upon The Son of God Above or upon heaven and earth beneath?
All The Laws of God, Do they not Command "Love God and Love your Neighbour?
So the question is Do you Truly Love God? And do you Truly love your neighbour? Only those who DO THESE, fulfill The Law.
And God Already Loves Us and Has more than Sufficiently Proven His Love for us but have men Loved Him in Return? No! They are rather making excuses saying "God should give us the grace, God should help us"
But when they want to do anything that they like eg steal, have sex with people's wives and maidens, Lie etc they have the energy to implement it.
But to stay faithful to thy wives and refuse Lyings and giving False testimonies, storytelling begins.
As I said at the first, You know that which is right already, that is what The Law has shown you, SO DO THEM, if you truly want to.
You quietly dodged Acts 15.
Did the Law apply to the gentiles not resident in Israel too? (Quote) (Report) (Like) (Share) Is Acts 15 not the Application of The Law to the gentiles, which is a Change of Post ⁿfor the issue is not about "the application of The Law to the gentiles" but Whether The Law has been amended or changed/whether Christ can be Under The Law that He should fulfill it, which have been rebutted.See now you resorted to lying, false accusation and cheating just because you do not have any Truthful Answer to Counter my response and yet you expect that God will open His Holy House to you and you did not hesitate to take the opportunity to Lie, make false accusations and cheat all at the same moment of time, so how would you not hate instructions of righteousness whilst holding on to your love of sinning? The Records bear witness of your Lies and All and I do hope people of Truth will do come to tell you so. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Many Christians Only Know The Law Of Moses But Not That Of Christ by Dtruthspeaker: 12:28pm On Jun 22, 2021 |
OkCornel: Can you show us where in the Law we should turn the other cheek when we are struck?
Patiently waiting. The Law is "Vengeance is Mine," Deuteronomy 32:35! |
Christianity Etc › Re: Many Christians Only Know The Law Of Moses But Not That Of Christ by Dtruthspeaker: 12:20pm On Jun 22, 2021 |
OkCornel: You quietly dodged Acts 15.
ⁿDid the Law apply to the gentiles not resident in Israel too? I dodged nothing, it is rather you who has Ran Away with the Post and Changed your Post! For the issue is not about "the application of The Law to the gentiles" but Whether The Law has been amended or changed/whether Christ can be Under The Law that He should fulfill it, which have been rebutted. So this is a Fresh Issue in proof of the fact that you do not have any valid counter. So all is settled and let us "Truly Love God and our neighbour as The Law hath commandeth, if we want!" |
Christianity Etc › Re: Can Nigerian Christian And Muslim Ever Unite? by Dtruthspeaker: 12:06pm On Jun 22, 2021 |
compton11: so Abraham was a fornicator? All men sin and are guilty of sin! |
Christianity Etc › Re: Can Nigerian Christian And Muslim Ever Unite? by Dtruthspeaker: 11:57am On Jun 22, 2021 |
compton11: that mean Abraham according to u was fornicator? All men sin and are guilty of sin! compton11: And how come Ismael vs isaac related to Muslims and Christians? You already know about Sarah's error in causing Abraham to sin (as Eve did to Adam) so you understand Genesis 16:12 "And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren." Are the Muslims not these things? Do they ever dwell alone? Are they not hateful of every person who is not their kin? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Many Christians Only Know The Law Of Moses But Not That Of Christ by Dtruthspeaker: 11:49am On Jun 22, 2021 |
perezeghi: God has been trying to simplify His words to man from creation till date but man has been trying more hard to dwell in his own understanding. God gave man everything but man continuously decides to go seek out his own knowledge. God gave man the power of will/choice but man abuses it.
Many people do not still understand the concept of bolded below.....even as Christ Jesus came to draw our minds to it in simple words. But when a man's heart is hardened and darkened it will be hard to see the truth and hold on to it.
Gen.2.9 - And the LORD God planted all sorts of trees in the garden--beautiful trees that produced delicious fruit. At the center of the garden he placed the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil Ye are Absolutely Accurate! And I just learnt another reason why they are the way they are, Eve cheated on Adam by sleeping with Satan. She had a child from Satan (Cain) which is why God Cursed her womb (Cain dey belle already). Which is also why Christ said " Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. HE WAS A MURDERER FROM THE BEGINNING, and abode not in the truth And we all know who is the first Murderer! Also take note of the first Mass Murder, whose son was he. Genesis 4:23. Most people are "sons of Satan" hence Anti-Righteousness as their True father and find it excessively difficult to do Righteousness. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Many Christians Only Know The Law Of Moses But Not That Of Christ by Dtruthspeaker: 11:30am On Jun 22, 2021 |
OkCornel: Has Jesus fulfilled the law? Yes or No It is Settled and Known that Christ Jesus, is The Lord! Since He is The Lord, then you already know that He is The Same Law Giver. Since He is The Law Giver, is He Under His Law that He should Fulfill it? Remember His Words "ye are from beneath, I am from above. Ye are from this world, I am not of this world" John 8:23 So who does The Law Apply on that it should be fulfilled? Is it Upon The Son of God Above or upon heaven and earth beneath? OkCornel: If you love God and your neighbor, have you fulfilled the law? Yes or No All The Laws of God, Do they not Command "Love God and Love your Neighbour? So the question is Do you Truly Love God? And do you Truly love your neighbour? Only those who DO THESE, fulfill The Law. And God Already Loves Us and Has more than Sufficiently Proven His Love for us but have men Loved Him in Return? No! They are rather making excuses saying "God should give us the grace, God should help us" But when they want to do anything that they like eg steal, have sex with people's wives and maidens, Lie etc they have the energy to implement it. But to stay faithful to thy wives and refuse Lyings and giving False testimonies, storytelling begins. As I said at the first, You know that which is right already, that is what The Law has shown you, SO DO THEM, if you truly want to. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Many Christians Only Know The Law Of Moses But Not That Of Christ by Dtruthspeaker: 9:40am On Jun 22, 2021*. Modified: 10:07am On Jun 22, 2021 |
jesusjnr2020: I wouldn't necessarily say set aside, but upgrade where need be to the Standard of the kingdom of God which He brought, and this is essentially for those of His church.
For instance, concerning the commandment about adultery, Jesus said:
"Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart." Matthew 5:27-28 (KJV)
Hence Jesus upgraded or if you like amended that commandment to bring it up to the level God expects of His church and those of the kingdom of God.
God bless. It is not an "upgrade" or "amended which Always means "A Change and an Alteration". Therefore, an amendment in that Law would be, "Thou shalt not commit adultery:" to either "Thou shalt commit adultery:" or "Thou shalt not commit adultery with a married": Exactly as He Amended the Law of the "Curse of the ground" (in His Heart Only, Genesis 8:21, compared with The First Law, "Cursed is the ground for thy sake". Genesis 3:17. That is how an Amendment looks like. Therefore, that is no example of Law of "Amendment" or "Upgrade" as you wrongfully alleged.It is exactly what you said above, Standard of the kingdom of God which means in Law and for Law (and we are talking about Law) "Commencement and Standard of the Proof of Guilt for the Commission of an Offence Committed"Disclosure of A Standard of Measurement, is Never an Amendment or Upgradation of A Law.
The Law/ Judge Determines and Sets the Standard, the Standard does not Change or Amend or Create The Law.
The Law Always Comes before the Standard and the Standard Always Follows The Law.And because you are not A Law'er/Levite as Moses was, you do not Truly comprehend The True import and Message Of Law which Christ delivered, Only Law'ers can as Law'er Paul Proved (except for the fact that he spoke in legal language, which laymen like you can not rightly interpret, as Peter warned) |
Christianity Etc › Re: Many Christians Only Know The Law Of Moses But Not That Of Christ by Dtruthspeaker: 8:02am On Jun 22, 2021 |
jesusjnr2020: You quoted a verse which you misunderstood the meaning.
If the Law would not pass till all be fulfilled, that suggests it would pass when fulfilled, and Jesus fulfilled the Law so what does that teach you?
By the way, Jesus came to restore what was in the beginning before the Law was. Matthew 19:3-8 See, you skipped the words "till heaven and earth pass away". And heaven and earth has not yet passed away, which only happens after John's Revelation is Fulfilled. So you are the one who is wrong! |
Christianity Etc › Re: Many Christians Only Know The Law Of Moses But Not That Of Christ by Dtruthspeaker: 7:56am On Jun 22, 2021 |
perezeghi: Matt.5.17 - "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. Matt.5.18 - For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.
If you miss the understanding of the creation of man,the convenant with Abraham, the Exodus of the Jews........all by God in the Old Testament......then you'll know that Jesus Christ only came to re-emphasize what God commands of man and He did not bring a new law. Thank you! I have been saying this always. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Many Christians Only Know The Law Of Moses But Not That Of Christ by Dtruthspeaker: 7:38am On Jun 22, 2021 |
Kingsnairaland: You can't keep any laws of God if God does not give you his rightoesness You know that which is right already, that is what The Law has shown you, so do them, if you truly want to. |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Supernatural World Is An Old Fiction by Dtruthspeaker: 8:54pm On Jun 21, 2021 |
truespeak:
How laughable! A Complainant who says he has a case but abandons his case and manufactures a defence for the opposition, then starts to attack the manufactured defence. 
Oh! What a nice way to go to bed!   |
Christianity Etc › Re: Many Christians Only Know The Law Of Moses But Not That Of Christ by Dtruthspeaker: 8:48pm On Jun 21, 2021 |
jesusjnr2020: Many Christians Only Know The Law Of Moses But Not That Of Christ They Are One and The Same! One God, One Law, One Baptism, One Spirit. God of One! |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Supernatural World Is An Old Fiction by Dtruthspeaker: 8:28pm On Jun 21, 2021 |
shogsman: As a successful student of life and traditions I am here to settle an ever so old score.to start with Supernatural beliefs are beliefs in things that do not and cannot exist to the best of scientific knowledge, first bold! Of what relevance is your character evidence in your coming to disprove Supernatural belief? You could always present your case without giving evidence of your character. Second Bold! Scientific knowledge is not always Proof of Truth but Unchallenged Evidence is Proof of Truth. So you are measuring Truth with a Wrong Instrument! shogsman: ...Having done an extensive research and visited tons of herbalists and traditionalists personally for my study I can very well conclude that spirits, rituals and charms are just superstitious belief,the only power it has is the influence it has on believers who are at the mercy of the traditions they grew up into. The bold is you relying on hearsay evidence! shogsman: When people are asked to justify their belief in such invisible beings, they often appeal to two things. The Bold: You raised this post for the purpose of presenting your claim that the supernatural does not exist and not to attack the claim that it exist. Therefore, you either present your claim and proof that the supernatural does not exist or it is taken that you have No Evidence in proof of your claim. shogsman: Any New Age bookshop will be able to provide numerous testimonies regarding invisible agency that might seem hard to account for naturalistically in terms of hallucination, self-deception, misidentified natural phenomena, trickery, and so on. Second, many will also claim a subjective sense of presence: they ‘just know’ their dead Auntie is in the room with them, or that they have a guardian angel, by means of some sort of extra sense: a spirit sense. Many contemporary religious folk believe they can sense divinity by means of some sort of god-sense.
If there really are no good grounds for believing such beings exist, however, why do people believe in them? There’s much scientific speculation about that but, as yet, no definitive answer.
One obvious advantage of positing invisible agents is that they can account for what might otherwise be baffling. I could swear I left my keys on the table, but there they are under the sofa. How on Earth did that happen? Someone died around my house and my Windows won't keep shut,the spirit must still be lingering around even though there is a strong wind coursing through the weather. I think the reason why they are so many believers in this part of the world is because people need something to rely on,they need a safety blanket,they need to feel like they're not alone and they're accountable for Thier actions
I welcome arguments from from enlightened and matured minds,afterall no one is an island of knowledge. In the end, you have no Proof of your Claim! All you did was to query the explanations and evidence purportedly given in proof of the existence of the Supernatural, for it is you here who we See manufacturing those evidence in support of the supernatural and it is still you, who is attacking it. A Clear case of "One going Against Oneself" And a query is not an establishment of an assertion, for your post is about disproving the existence of the supernatural but alas, You Gave No Proof, At All! Therefore, Case Dismissed, sorry Post Dismissed!  |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Supernatural World Is An Old Fiction by Dtruthspeaker: 8:00pm On Jun 21, 2021 |
shogsman: This set of people you mentioned do not exist sir. I've spoken to theologians from different countries so this is not just a sudden assertion,and every educated and enlightened individual would agree with me, ... See now you are relying on hearsay evidence! |
Family › Re: Wives, Stop Fighting The Side Chick, Face Your Husband!! by Dtruthspeaker: 10:22pm On Jun 20, 2021 |
She knows it is the side chick who caused her husband to "side chick" |
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Can't God Kill Satan Once And For All by Dtruthspeaker: 10:09pm On Jun 20, 2021 |
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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Can't God Kill Satan Once And For All by Dtruthspeaker: 9:52pm On Jun 20, 2021 |
kingxsamz: Omo, no more laughing emojis?  I know the pain and suffering you have been going through and I do not want to add to it. kingxsamz: This one pain you o. This your tears tonight, I hope all is well?  I am very fine and as I said up here, l think it good to let you suffer your suffer without adding to it. kingxsamz: You still haven't proved to me that your god isn't a mumu father, and all you have done is compare apples with Oranges. From homework/classwork to breathing of air and laying your bed, the poor analogies you have made have no correlation to the topic at hand. As always, the mere fact that you are unable to reasonably rebut my response, is sufficient. kingxsamz: Eyah, sounds like someone is making excuses for the bad choices his god made. But it's all good bro. Sounds to me that you do not have a reasonable rebuttal to my response. So it's all good! |
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Can't God Kill Satan Once And For All by Dtruthspeaker: 9:37pm On Jun 20, 2021 |
Ola17: I’m not predisposed to circular arguments. That's what happens when you are unable to give a cogent and reasonable reply but seeking to repeat what has been answered. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Can't God Kill Satan Once And For All by Dtruthspeaker: 9:21pm On Jun 20, 2021 |
Ola17: So many assumptions. Are you not the one assuming "children", when it was written man and woman and not boy and girl or child? Now that I have answered you, it is now you remembered it was assumption, meanwhile you spoke based on assumptions. So you can not rebut! Ola17: Did the Bible record that satan tried tricking Adam into eating the forbidden fruit? Repeating a question already answered is not a rebuttal but proof of inability to respond. Ola17: A world where living things have to eat each other to survive doesn’t look like a well thought out one. Change of Post and Departure from Topic! We are not talking about eating to survive but about living with dangerous things. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Can't God Kill Satan Once And For All by Dtruthspeaker: 9:09pm On Jun 20, 2021 |
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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Can't God Kill Satan Once And For All by Dtruthspeaker: 8:52pm On Jun 20, 2021 |
Ola17: The socket manufacturers were smart enough to not make socket openings that big. It is sufficient that the socket has an opening whether wide or small, that is all it needs to harm, so you have no point here. All your other responses are mere repetitions. Ola17: Did the Bible record that satan tempted Adam? Simple, shall the Trickster not trick any person he sees? Is there any person who he did not attempt to trick? Even when God Came to earth, did he not go to trick Him? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Can Nigerian Christian And Muslim Ever Unite? by Dtruthspeaker: 8:15pm On Jun 20, 2021 |
Do illegitimate children ever love the True children of their Father? Never! |
Christianity Etc › Re: What Benefit Can One Get From Going To Church? by Dtruthspeaker: 8:08pm On Jun 20, 2021 |
jesmond3945: wait please do you mean spiritual benefits or what? I am telling you it is a selfish mindset to relate with God based on benefits, what are you even benefiting Him in the first instance? Count your blessings! Your True first benefit is to be put in this really Nice House (the World). It could have been a bad one and there is nothing you could do about it. After House, is the benefit of being catered for feeding, sleeping, playing, bathing etc. Working is also for your benefit, so tell me is there anything you that you met in this world which is not for your benefit? Therefore, what is God's problem with man? Only 1, which is that man has become wicked and loves to be very wicked. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Can't God Kill Satan Once And For All by Dtruthspeaker: 7:35pm On Jun 20, 2021*. Modified: 7:55pm On Jun 20, 2021 |
Ola17: What he’s trying to defend is analogous to a mother who knew that her son will ultimately eat the poisoned apple she placed in her kid’s lunch box after passively warning him not to eat it.. Do you not have sockets in your house? Does your mother not already know that you are likely to put your hands in it? Are you not here in Proof of Truth that you obeyed her? Be reasonable and fair. Going as far as saying "she placed poisoned apple she placed in her kid’s lunch box after passively warning him not to eat it" Is just out right kicking the testicles in a boxing fight. Fight fair! Ola17: Knowing how impressionable kids are, she also sent a very persuasive malevolent trickster to convince her supposedly beloved son to eat that same poisoned apple for a good measure. First, Adam was a man and not a child. Secondly, do you not see that the trickster had played his tricks on the man but it did not work? The other kid also had the same powers to shut him down, if she Truly wanted to but she did not, which is exactly what you say when you find them guilty of cheating and adultery. But now you conveniently put away your ability to reasonably ground guilt. |