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Splinz:
There is. The Law, as detailed in Exodus 20 and elsewhere, written on two tablets of stone and specifically inscribed by God's own finger (31:18) has always been generally understood to be Ten, both within and outside the church. There's no dispute about it.

Thank you. I am properly guided!

In my thorough page by page reading of the Bible which I have never done, i am still at Exodus 19 and I immediately saw that it was the header on 20 which said 10 Commandments meanwhile it was not stated in 20 and because of too many lies flying, I do not believe anything that I previously heard without proper proof and evidence. Thanks.

Splinz:
I think one critical point about Israel that people rarely pay attention to is that, Israel was a mixture of State and religion; that it practiced theocracy. It was in this theocratic setting that precepts, ordinances, judgments and testimonies as inspired by God and related to Moses, were used in administering civil matters as well as religious activities.

These must not be confused with the Ten Commandments, wherein there's no addition and subtraction.

The bold: I do not like that word "as inspired by God" when Exodus 21 clearly tells us that they came directly God's Mouth as with the other "And The Lord said".

To my mind it sounds like when "God Moves and Motivates a person to act" and not when "He Clearly and Directly Acts!, Suo Moto!"

But is in order.

KNOWMORE56:
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"...Joshua, Job, David and co will laugh at you."
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Thanks for balanced knowledge of the Word.

God Himself named three people and said that they are righteous....
why can't we look into their own case.

*. Job 1:8 "KJV: AND THE LORD SAID unto Satan, Hast thou considered MY SERVANT JOB, that there IS none like him in the earth, A PERFECT AND AN UPRIGHT MAN, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?"

Note:
AND THE LORD SAID MY SERVANT JOB IS A PERFECT AND AN UPRIGHT MAN,

Who else can know a man more than the Lord?

*. Ezekiel 14:14 "KJV:Though THESE THREE MEN, NOAH, DANIEL, AND JOB, were in it, they should DELIVER but THEIR OWN SOULS BY THEIR RIGHTEOUSNESS, SAITH THE LORD GOD."

Note:
THESE THREE MEN, NOAH, DANIEL, AND JOB, DELIVER THEIR OWN SOULS BY THEIR RIGHTEOUSNESS, SAITH THE LORD GOD."

*. Ezekiel 14:20 "KJV:Though NOAH, DANIEL, AND JOB were in it, as I live, saith the Lord God, they shall deliver neither son nor daughter; they shall but DELIVER THEIR OWN SOULS BY THEIR RIGHTEOUSNESS."

can any of us doubt God?

True! When God Speaks, The Law of Life (and death) goeth forth out

HedwigesMaduro:
God punished Adam for following his wife to sin the SAME sin. I still don't get your point.

You do get it you just can not believe it is True! As is your right to not believe a Truth.

Bishopkingsley:
God Is Everywhere Present

One of the attributes of God is that He is everywhere present. The psalmist wrote.

Where can I go from Your Spirit? Where can I flee from Your presence? If I go up to the heavens, You are there; if I make my bed in the depths, You are there. If I rise on the wings of the dawn, if I settle on the far side of the sea, even there Your hand will guide me, Your right hand will hold me fast. If I say, "Surely the darkness will hide me and the light become night around me," even the darkness will not be dark to You; the night will shine like the day, for darkness is as light to You (Psalm 139:7-12).

Psalm 139:8
King James Bible
If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.

We cannot succeed in running away from God's presence.

For indeed our God is a consuming fire (Hebrews 12:29).

Can Corrolla, Camry or Tundra escape from Mr. Toyoda?

Never!

That is what it means to be A Creator!

truespeak:
Oh, yes, I remember we spoke about it on Sunday. And here it is, Glory and Praise be to the Lord our God!

The Lord Truly hears the Prayers of His Children and Speedily Answers!

awitness41:
To my brothers in Christ - Dtruthspeaker, MaxInDHouse, truespeak, Splinz - I thank you for your support for this post.

You do not know that you are a prayer answered, for I requested The Lord on Sunday and Monday to send others besides I and True speak,who have Seen these Eternal Truths that we have Seen, for to raise them up high for the world to see.

Yesterday one came up and Today you came up. Great is The Lord and Good is He, for all Lies and Liars Must be Crushed and made Silent.

awitness41:
Did Satan not covet God's position in the Universe ?

Same nonsense he sold to Eve and she saw herself as "God"! Bitch!

awitness41:
So God had a plan in place in case man did NOT sin, and God certainly had a plan in place in case man DID sin.

God Always has A Plan! Sweet words and very very Sweet to hear another say it.

HedwigesMaduro:
Difficulty? Revenge is one of the easiest thing for a man to carry out. He was actually instructing us not to revenge (which is a lot more difficult for a man).

That is why I Capitalised "RIGHTFULLY" where "Rightness/ Righteousness Lives"!

HedwigesMaduro:
How did you deduce the devil impregnating Eve in the book of Genesis? Probably he impregnated Adam too as he also ate the fruit?

That was some high level mental gymnastics to arrive at such a conclusion.

You have been reasonable up till now and you did not need to be ridiculous to ask a reasonable question, simply because The Truth has made you uncomfortable.

For you thought I could not reasonably ground it.

You already know that it is impossible that Adam should get pregnant so keep it reasonable or stop the probe since it is making you very uncomfortable.

So how did I deduce it?
1) The Law of the Seed (Cain) proves the Tree.(Satan); Evil Seed, Evil Tree. "By their Fruits, ye shall know them"

I remember we were all surprised that Cain killed Abel, when we first came upon the story, why?

Because, we were not expecting anyone to be killed at that time and caught by Christ's Word in John 8:44 "Ye are of your father, the devil, murderer from the beginning"

And who else was the murderer from the beginning if not Cain and Cain's Son Lamech?

2) Genesis 6:4 shows us that sons of God could bare children from women and Satan is among their numbers as Seen in Job 1.

Splinz:
Hmm.

Could it be a case of people not wanting to be told that they're wrong, by pointing out that what they do is against the law? For example, committing adultery/fornication, stealing, profane the Sabbath, killing, worshipping idol etc?

Yes Sur!

Hope you know that "Worshipping idols" includes the worshipping things? Eg money, rich persons, women, the yearning of rich things eg expensive phones, cars, watches etc (the Crime of Coveting)

Splinz:
You know, one major problem people have also is that, they don't even know the difference between the Ten Commandment and the "law of Moses". Instead, what you hear often is "600+ laws". If they don't even know what the Ten Commandment is, how will they keep it?

Frankly, it would have been humorous if not for the severity of the matter.

They know and they do not want to be reminded of it. That is what is happening.

Then secondly people have been misled by "the Header of Exodus 20" which says "Giving of the 10 Commandments".

Meanwhile, the Commandments are All that God Spake unto Moses as Exodus 20:1 directly reports.

And in Exodus 21:1 we see God still Speaking and Issuing out more Commands which He Called "Judgements" and Judgements are Laws.

So there is Truly nothing like 10 Commandments for God did not stop speaking at Exodus 20 but continued Speaking in Exodus 21 up to Exodus 23.

And then in Exodus 25 to 31, God Continued Speaking.

And we see and learn that everytime God Speaks, Laws Come Out, hence by Deuteronomy we learn that "man does not live by bread alone BUT BY EVERY WORD (Law) which proceedeth out of The Mouth of The Lord"!

Thus everytime you see "And The Lord Said" or "Thus Saith The Lord or "Said The Lord", Laws Come Out!

There is no place in the Bible where it is Written in that God Gave 10 Commandments and what is Written was that "God gave Commandments!"

tamonokare:
You don kolo

You know hear say "Vengeance is mine"?

Na God get overall jurisdiction to punish anybody wey don commit offence so dat every complainant wey complain go get their "Just is".

So next time when you hear "na God go Judge you" quick quick run settle the matter, if you like yourself!

Bishopkingsley:
Major things u must accept without questioning God

1) God has the right to elect those who he wants

2) God has the right to eternally punish those who dis obeys his will

(the doctrine of eternal punishment)


3) the holy Trinity

4) a virgin giving birth (the miraculous birth of our Savior)

5)

the only reason to believe in election is because it is found explicitly in God’s Word.

God chose Jacob over Esau, not on the basis of anything Jacob or Esau had done, but according to His own free and uninfluenced sovereign purpose. To those who might protest, “That is unfair!” Paul simply asks, “Who are you, O man, to answer back to God?” (Roman's 9:20).

No man and no committee of men originated this doctrine. It is like the doctrine of eternal punishment in that it conflicts with the dictates of the carnal mind. It is repugnant to the sentiments of the unregenerate heart.

Like the doctrine of the Holy Trinity and the miraculous birth of our Savior, the truth of election, because it has been revealed by God, must be embraced with simple and unquestioning faith. If you have a Bible and you believe it, you have no option but to accept what it teaches.

The Word of God presents God as the controller and disposer of all creatures

(Dan. 4:35; Isa. 45:7; Lam. 3:38), the Most High (Pss. 47:2; 83:18), the ruler of heaven and earth (Gen. 14:19; Isa. 37:16),
and the One against whom none can stand

(2 Chron. 20:6; Job 41:10; Isa. 43:13). He is the Almighty who works all things after the counsel of His will

(Eph. 1:11; cf. Isa. 14:27; Rev. 19:6) and the heavenly Potter who shapes men according to His own good pleasure (Rom. 9:18–22). In short, He is the decider and determiner of every man’s destiny, and the controller of every detail in each individual’s life (Prov. 16:9; 19:21; 21:1; cf. Ex. 3:21–22; 14:8; Ezra 1:1; Dan. 1:9; James 4:15)

—which is really just another way of saying, “He is God.”

Yeah!

God has Rights Too!

Yeah! That is what it means to be A Creator!

Splinz:
This is the truth. Sadly, many do not have this knowledge and are unwilling to learn either.

They have the knowledge but they love sinning and do not want it removed from their souls.

Therefore, they resist and refuse calls which direct them to remove sins from themselves!

PstBiola:
What can a married couple do to ensure that their marriage will last?

Simple! Comply with The Law "He made them male and female".

All other things stand on this Law!

Ever8090:
that is how they twist the scriptures for reasons best known to them...

Hurt are you!

The Truth which sets men free is most often The Truth they do not want to hear!

Kobojunkie:
I am sorry, how does any if what you cobbled up here show that God gave what you refer to as the 10 commandments also to Adam in the garden of Eden?

He showed it, see it if thou haveth eyes!

Kobojunkie:
Where is your evidence that all 10 of the first commandments indicated in the Old Covenant Law of Moses, a law that has a total of 613 commandments by the way,were also given to Adam as Law in the garden of Eden, or there after?

He is simply saying that God's Laws where up and running even then.

And remember, if you can, that it was during a period of time when offence/sins were still in growing.

Thus The Law "Actions not yet born can not be Prescribed"!

So The Law was not as many as the 613 for the heathens were still learning to be heathens and people were still learning to be evil.

Kobojunkie:
Or is it your assumption that everywhere the word Law or rule is used, the 10 first 10 commandments of the Old Covenant are referenced?

He is simply presenting that The Law was there at the beginning!

awitness41:
The Law existed even in the Garden of Eden, for “where there is no law there is no transgression” (Romans 4:15).
Was there transgression in Eden ? Yes.
Was it wrong too for Cain to murder Abel ? Yes.
So there was the Law.
We know about Adam and Eve, but did you know God also warned Cain about sin beforehand, saying,
“If you do well, will you not be accepted ?
And if you do not do well, sin lies at the door.
And its desire is for you, but you should rule over it.” (Genesis 4:7)
How could there be such a thing as sin if the Law was not in effect at that time ?
Pick any Commandment from God's Law.
Which one would it have been right for Cain to transgress ?
None, just like today.
God's Moral Law, the 10 Commandments, is still in effect today.
Is there sin and transgression today ? Yes.
Therefore, there is God's Law being broken.
The Old Covenant Jewish Law regarding priests, feasts, sacrifices, and rituals like circumcision is not in effect since Jesus sealed the New Covenant in His Blood.
But God's Law is, and has always been, in effect.
And we must keep it by first obeying the 2 Most Important Commandments - to Love God and others as ourself.

Tell it on! Tell it!

Tell it on the mountain, over the seas and everywhere!

"Before the world began, The Law was there"

haddeylium:
How do you even vomit heaps of rubbish so conveniently?
Satan witness? is that all you can do?

I can say, the-evil representatives, "The Tell-you-what-you-wanna-hear Witnesses, Satan's Counsellors, Demons in Suits and Ties the list is endless,

But for now, I am ok with calling you guys your True Name, Satan's Witnesses.

haddeylium:
Except patting yourself at the back with your other moniker, you can never move a reader if you continue like this.
You're a grown adult and you should act like one.

Res ipso loquitur son, res ipso loquitur!

Kingsnairaland:
You only assumed that he fell because of his wife love.

Has not Natural living shown you when a man listens to his wife, girlfriend or slayer?

Kingsnairaland:
What actually God said because u listen to your wife rather than me means

Is that God was pointing out to us not to listen to other voice apart from his when it comes to pleasing God

You are only repeating what I said and only included the Moral of the story.

While I explained "Why" Adam broke The Law.

Kingsnairaland:
No man can keep those old Testament laws God knows that all God wanted is for man to cry out to him for help when we see we can't keep them

Joshua, Job, David and co will laugh at you.

Kingsnairaland:
In Jesus we actually keep them because only Jesus fulfilled those laws

Did Christ not clearly say "Why do ye (you) also transgress the Commandment of God..."

"Thus have ye (you) made the Commandment of God of non-effect..."

You do not even intend keeping The Law not to talk of "trying" to keep it, as is within your right to not do so.

DeusXmachina:
Ok.
What I understand here, is that the op doesn't have a reason to believe the supernatural is real, as he has had no personal experience to prove him otherwise, and those people that have and he's engaged with, never present their experience in a manner that can be proven.
So, he is asking to be proven wrong.
So what experiences, chants, native doctor, prayer etc.. that does not relay on mind tricks or fear mongering. Can one give him to make him change his mind?

Just to put things in their True perspective, the real--eye-ity (reality) is that the Op has the power to hold any belief he fancies whether evidenced and True or not.

And there is absolutely nothing anyone can say or do to change the opinion he chooses to hold on to.

DeusXmachina:
Even I am a bit curious, as I have had no supernatural experiences and find it hard to believe in any of it is real.

Having engaged you before I do know that you are quite very reasonable and fair however, there are certain topics that are almost impossible to prove and establish the Truth of their existence online and this is one of them.

Kingsnairaland:
The great Paul Said he tried doing the good thing but end up doing the bad things you really think it by knowing the law that you can do it

At least you used the word "tried" exactly as Deuteronomy 30:11-15

11 For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off.

12 It is not in heaven, that thou shoulder say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, AND DO IT?

13 Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, AND DO IT?

14 But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, THAT THOU MAYEST DO IT.

"Trying" infers doing so let us keep doing, if you want to Do It!

Kingsnairaland:
Let look at Adam

The first law says don't eat from that tree right

So tell me what exactly he ended up doing

If you look at God's Judgement over Adam you will see the Words "because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife" meaning if not for Eve, he would not have broken The Law.

Further meaning that he kept The Law until his wife made him break it.

And knowing Satan tests everyone, that the bastard went to Adam earlier but he failed and Adam kept The Law.

But because of sex and companionship aka "love" he listened to his wife!

haddeylium:
Hold it please! No one would mistook Jargons and gibberish as being of JWs. Don't even flatter yourself with that. Don't bring them down this low, atleast not to yourself. You're not even close to the barometer used in measuring the spirituality of a true Christains. Just continue your 'Snake and Eve' sexual intercourse story with Trinitarians brothers under the guidance of the same Holyspirit.

Lmao. Hatred for JWs? And who do you think you're? What a bunch of Malarkey . Who cares about your petite feelings towards a Global family of unified organization. You don't even have an identity, to begin with .
I would rather you channel your hatred and aggression towards getting a sound Bible study and mental health check cos' it's obvious your void of Bible knowledge

shall Satan Witness not witness in favour of Satan Witness and give false witness in support thereof?

Only a stupid Satan Witness JW will think it valid that a Fox should be the Judge over a goose!

DeusXmachina:
So, what makes the hearsays anymore of a proof to the existence of the supernatural?

There are different types of good evidence which establish certain facts but right now I and other supporters of the Supernatural are not the ones who are to give proof of it because of the Op's thread.

HedwigesMaduro:
Good question.

And I answered him and he could not oppose it.

haddeylium:
Your Trinitarians brothers are shaking you left and right with no single coin dropping out of you. But, its JWs that's your problem.
You're not even sound enough to represent your own belief, what a pitiful display of ignorance and arrogance. You spewed out garbage and compliment your self with your second moniker. what manner of mental disorder display.
The fact that JWs stay reasonable with you should not give you the effronttery to speak disrespectfully of anyone. If you Bible does not teach you manners, be civil atleast

Uncle jw, jw, is not my problem and if I speak so brazenly against me, it is because I your Maximus mistook my even speech to think that I could be courted to your group, so this is me openly declaring my hatred for jws without any ambiguity.

HedwigesMaduro:
Whoa! That's getting to some unscriptural levels.

As I answered perezeghi, there are some facts which we believe even though the scriptures did not expressly say so but we deduced them from surrounding evidence.

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Waiting for the following honorable representatives to arrive:

"Honda is better than Toyota"

"Benz for life"

"Benz (Make) is better than Corolla (model)"

BMW (if they still have money for data, after sinking their accounts with repairs)

Volvo (If they realize we're no longer in 1998)

Acura

This list is long.

Make I chook my Chrysler for there now!
i don hide!

mejai:
But the Corolla go still waste u for speed o.

Haba now! Even new Keke, I no go catch!

HedwigesMaduro:
Nice. So, what's your take on that "an eye for an eye" law that he "ammended"?

He did not Amend it, He was rather warning us on the difficulty of executing it, RIGHTFULLY!

Which of course people fail very much in it and get into trouble.

"A Just and balanced weight" is The Law, "Not a farthing more, but when you are wronged, you would not want it less that, so how are you going to obtain that Accurate Balance?

Hence, Let The Lord give you "Just is" for He is The Only One who can give an Accurate Recompense.

Psalms 149:7
To execute vengeance upon the heathen, [and] punishments upon the people;

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This one...

He owns a very unique model. Rare picture attached below

oh, there is no road that vehicle can not go! Water, mud, sand, mountain.
Traffic does not normally catch it
The True All Terrain Vehicle indeed.

But it however has high maintenance Sha oh!

KnownUnknown:
I am exempt and I have documents to prove my exemption.

Ok! However I am not The Judge who shall review the validity of your documents.